College Kids

HeavyG

GATraveller said:

HeavyG said:

GATraveller said:

nolaegghead said:

GATraveller said:

nolaegghead said:

Word of the day: "gaslighting".

Like when Obama said:  "ISIS is not Islam"

So we should just say "Christians and not Klu Klux Klan or LRA or Army of God" (or whoever the organization that is terrorist de jour)?  Just name the predominant religion that they belong to?  OK, whatever.  I'm fine with that as long as it's a convention.

There is NOTHING ISIS is doing that Muhammad did not.  That does not hold true to your statement.  

When my daughter was about 3 she got angry about something and called me a "doodyhead".

Being a good Christian I did as the Lord commanded and stoned her to death:

Matthew 15:4
For God said, 'Honor your father and mother' and 'Anyone who curses their father or mother is to be put to death.'

In the correct context of that scripture "curses" is not used as "saying a bad word".  In the original text it actually means "murderous intent"......which is still punishable with the death penalty in our current legal system. 

If you say so.

I guess "speaketh evil" also means murderous intent eh?

American Standard Version
For God said, Honor thy father and thy mother: and, He that speaketh evil of father or mother, let him die the death.

nolaegghead

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MQox1hQrABQ

GATraveller

I don't think calling them a "doodyhead" really falls into that category.

JohnInCarolina

Eggzellent said:

JohnInCarolina said:

fishlessman said:

whats really different from today and when i was in the nuclear engineering department in the 80's.  lets see, a semester of school as a freshman cost me less than 800 bucks. same school is 30 k per year. how is that possible. i would pissed as a student getting screwed with those bills

Biggest driver has been a decrease in state and federal support for higher ed. Tuition rates have been increasing at a rate that's roughly twice that of inflation.

Uhhh..try bloated budgets combined with unrealistic tenure/retirement schemes having no chance whatsoever of keeping up with inflation let alone 'reasonable' federal support.

You can't educate our enemies or fund their R&D here without denying admission to kids whose parents actually pay to keep the place running in an unsustainable manner.

Again, these kids aren't stupid. They know exactly how these administrators/'scholars' have been compensated over time to do the exact same job that they're doing today for a fraction of the pay/benefits. Throw in the fact that their campus looks like a James Bond movie complete with nefarious characters from every country on the planet..and yes..they 'get it'. 

I know that it is St. Patty's Day, but almost none of this makes any sense.  I have had a few drinks already though, so it could just be me.

GATraveller

Hitchens is a trip.

Legume

Flocculent Mess just may be the best name I've ever seen for a band.

YukonRon

Tragically Hip is a pretty cool name too.

theyolksonyou

JohnInCarolina said:

Eggzellent said:

JohnInCarolina said:

fishlessman said:

whats really different from today and when i was in the nuclear engineering department in the 80's.  lets see, a semester of school as a freshman cost me less than 800 bucks. same school is 30 k per year. how is that possible. i would pissed as a student getting screwed with those bills

Biggest driver has been a decrease in state and federal support for higher ed. Tuition rates have been increasing at a rate that's roughly twice that of inflation.

Uhhh..try bloated budgets combined with unrealistic tenure/retirement schemes having no chance whatsoever of keeping up with inflation let alone 'reasonable' federal support.

You can't educate our enemies or fund their R&D here without denying admission to kids whose parents actually pay to keep the place running in an unsustainable manner.

Again, these kids aren't stupid. They know exactly how these administrators/'scholars' have been compensated over time to do the exact same job that they're doing today for a fraction of the pay/benefits. Throw in the fact that their campus looks like a James Bond movie complete with nefarious characters from every country on the planet..and yes..they 'get it'. 

I know that it is St. Patty's Day, but almost none of this makes any sense.  I have had a few drinks already though, so it could just be me.

this pisses me off. I'm behind 

Legume

I love all of the various interpretations of a verse from the bible.  Kind of proves the point there are different flavors in every major religion.

HeavyG

GATraveller said:

I don't think calling them a "doodyhead" really falls into that category.

In the land of my people calling someone a "doodyhead" is no venial sin, tis a mortal one that ranks right up there with "your mother wears army boots".

Acn

HeavyG said:

GATraveller said:

I don't think calling them a "doodyhead" really falls into that category.

In the land of my people calling someone a "doodyhead" is no venial sin, tis a mortal one that ranks right up there with "your mother wears army boots".

Your people need to go to taunting school.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=A8yjNbcKkNY

Eggzellent

JohnInCarolina said:

Eggzellent said:

JohnInCarolina said:

fishlessman said:

whats really different from today and when i was in the nuclear engineering department in the 80's.  lets see, a semester of school as a freshman cost me less than 800 bucks. same school is 30 k per year. how is that possible. i would pissed as a student getting screwed with those bills

Biggest driver has been a decrease in state and federal support for higher ed. Tuition rates have been increasing at a rate that's roughly twice that of inflation.

Uhhh..try bloated budgets combined with unrealistic tenure/retirement schemes having no chance whatsoever of keeping up with inflation let alone 'reasonable' federal support.

You can't educate our enemies or fund their R&D here without denying admission to kids whose parents actually pay to keep the place running in an unsustainable manner.

Again, these kids aren't stupid. They know exactly how these administrators/'scholars' have been compensated over time to do the exact same job that they're doing today for a fraction of the pay/benefits. Throw in the fact that their campus looks like a James Bond movie complete with nefarious characters from every country on the planet..and yes..they 'get it'. 

I know that it is St. Patty's Day, but almost none of this makes any sense.  I have had a few drinks already though, so it could just be me.

JohnInCarolina said:
"..as someone who who works with college kids all the time, that they're pretty cool in my view.  My interactions with them give me hope for the future.." 

Perhaps those same college kids didn't pay much attention to the institution that they attended or exited possessing any gut feeling that it needed to be overhauled (see every generation previous).

henapple

John.... You're reaping the benefits of high tuition? 

henapple

I'm sure people take verses out of the Quran or Koran just like people take a verse out of the Bible that haven't taken the time to hear the message or meaning. The NT is a different story or message than the OT. In a way, liberal people should love Jesus's teachings on social issues but can't agree with the moral things. Christians can't get a grip on the fact that the social issues were so important to Him and focus on the moral stuff. 

Love God and others. Treat others as you want to be treated. Don't judge others or you will be judged likewise. 

SGH

henapple said:

Love God and others. Treat others as you want to be treated. Don't judge others or you will be judged likewise. 

You are obviously a good, God fearing, southern Christian yourself Unc. That's why you are my favorite Uncle. 

MaC122

SGH said:

henapple said:

Love God and others. Treat others as you want to be treated. Don't judge others or you will be judged likewise. 

You are obviously a good, God fearing, southern Christian yourself Unc. That's why you are my favorite Uncle. 

SGH said:

henapple said:

Love God and others. Treat others as you want to be treated. Don't judge others or you will be judged likewise. 

You are obviously a good, God fearing, southern Christian yourself Unc. That's why you are my favorite Uncle. 

remember that Jesus didn't throw the first stone, nor should we

JohnInCarolina

henapple said:

John.... You're reaping the benefits of high tuition? 

Faculty salaries haven't been increasing at twice the rate of inflation. 

Fred19Flintstone

JohnInCarolina said:

henapple said:

John.... You're reaping the benefits of high tuition? 

Faculty salaries haven't been increasing at twice the rate of inflation. 

That is roughing it!  I haven't had a raise since 2010 and most of that raise paid for increased healthcare premiums.  I'm still kinda bitter.  Does it show?

JohnInCarolina

Fred19Flintstone said:

JohnInCarolina said:

henapple said:

John.... You're reaping the benefits of high tuition? 

Faculty salaries haven't been increasing at twice the rate of inflation. 

That is roughing it!  I haven't had a raise since 2010 and most of that raise paid for increased healthcare premiums.  I'm still kinda bitter.  Does it show?

You work for the government, right?  

HeavyG

JohnInCarolina said:

henapple said:

John.... You're reaping the benefits of high tuition? 

Faculty salaries haven't been increasing at twice the rate of inflation. 

Screw the academic faculty - gotta make sure all the Benjamins go to the sports coaches.

Fred19Flintstone

Yes sir!  I be a gubmint drone.

JohnInCarolina

HeavyG said:

JohnInCarolina said:

henapple said:

John.... You're reaping the benefits of high tuition? 

Faculty salaries haven't been increasing at twice the rate of inflation. 

Screw the academic faculty - gotta make sure all the Benjamins go to the sports coaches.

There's an element of truth to that, no question.  

The Cen-Tex Smoker

MaC122 said:

I am so tired of this generation. They think they know everything. They hate the police but are the first to call 911. They protest everything because they think that they are making a change. Mommy and Daddy paid for college. I'm 35 and I just want to **** slap every bearded hippie I see on CNN. Why does Trump keep winning? I think that the people are tired of the media and left the attacking people. It is truly amazing to be alive during this political process.

ha ha- at 35 you have no actual experience with "this generation" other than whatever media you watch. I have college aged kids and they are nothing like what you rail against here. turn off your TV, go outside and chill the f*ck out. we are all gong to be OK.

FWIW- your generation sucks balls too. So does mine, and so does "the greatest".  Just ask the generation before each and they will gladly let you know how horrible those Little shits were who came after and  f*cked it all up forever. 

Fred19Flintstone

JohnInCarolina said:

Fred19Flintstone said:

JohnInCarolina said:

henapple said:

John.... You're reaping the benefits of high tuition? 

Faculty salaries haven't been increasing at twice the rate of inflation. 

That is roughing it!  I haven't had a raise since 2010 and most of that raise paid for increased healthcare premiums.  I'm still kinda bitter.  Does it show?

You work for the government, right?  

How about you John?  Do you work for a public university?

bgebrent

Fred19Flintstone said:

JohnInCarolina said:

Fred19Flintstone said:

JohnInCarolina said:

henapple said:

John.... You're reaping the benefits of high tuition? 

Faculty salaries haven't been increasing at twice the rate of inflation. 

That is roughing it!  I haven't had a raise since 2010 and most of that raise paid for increased healthcare premiums.  I'm still kinda bitter.  Does it show?

You work for the government, right?  

How about you John?  Do you work for a public university?

F' Duke.  Sorry to troll so occasionally.  But not for this

The Cen-Tex Smoker

tarheelmatt said:

The generation of kids these days are certainly different even from my generation.  However, I wish my generation was more like current generation.  They (current generation) work together and work well together to take on ANY task.  For other generations, that's tough to watch and swallow.  I get it and slowly buying into that scheme.  

It wasn't until recently that I was part of a leadership training that I realized the above and made total sense, but took an open mind to grasp and buy in.  

wow. an actual informed point of view from someone who lived it and didn't watch it on TV. shocking. 

The Cen-Tex Smoker

Fred19Flintstone said:

JohnInCarolina said:

Fred19Flintstone said:

JohnInCarolina said:

henapple said:

John.... You're reaping the benefits of high tuition? 

Faculty salaries haven't been increasing at twice the rate of inflation. 

That is roughing it!  I haven't had a raise since 2010 and most of that raise paid for increased healthcare premiums.  I'm still kinda bitter.  Does it show?

You work for the government, right?  

How about you John?  Do you work for a public university?

no. duke is private. Don't sell him short; John is part of the liberal elite

lousubcap

Regarding the accelerated cost of college tuition, my experience with 8 consecutive years of helping two ( conveniently four years apart in age) graduate, is that the gubmint decided to throw a lot of easy money (loans ) to colleges/students.  This enabled the institutions to jack up the rate of tuition increases knowing there were federal $$ available to support the rising costs.  So, at the end of the day, the gubmint made possible student (and loan co-signers) access to "easy money" to pay for the over-inflated education.  
Behind the gubmint were the financial institutions that gladly supported this pass-thru money scheme so everyone was being helped by the ever accelerating student debt except the student.
This is a bit off the friggin college kids thread but relevant to the college $$ posts above.  Now back to my regularly scheduled beverage.

The Cen-Tex Smoker

lousubcap said:

Regarding the accelerated cost of college tuition, my experience with 8 consecutive years of helping two ( conveniently four years apart in age) graduate, is that the gubmint decided to throw a lot of easy money (loans ) to colleges/students.  This enabled the institutions to jack up the rate of tuition increases knowing there were federal $$ available to support the rising costs.  So, at the end of the day, the gubmint made possible student (and loan co-signers) access to "easy money" to pay for the over-inflated education.  
Behind the gubmint were the financial institutions that gladly supported this pass-thru money scheme so everyone was being helped by the ever accelerating student debt except the student.
This is a bit off the friggin college kids thread but relevant to the college $$ posts above.  Now back to my regularly scheduled beverage.

well said, Cap. never thought of that but makes sense

nolaegghead

@lousubcap

Like John in Carolina said early, the primary reason is because the government funding has been decreasing.  There are other reasons, inflation, insurance, technology, etc.

The need for the loans increased with the price.  So the government stepped in with guaranteed loans, which were abused by universities.  Government (us - you and me as we elected these people) bears much of the responsibility.

http://www.nytimes.com/2015/04/05/opinion/sunday/the-real-reason-college-tuition-costs-so-much.html?_r=0