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JohnInCarolina

The view of abortion within the first trimester as being a cardinal sin is actually a fairly recent invention when viewed in the long history of the church.

MaC122

JohnInCarolina said:

The view of abortion within the first trimester as being a cardinal sin is actually a fairly recent invention when viewed in the long history of the church.

come on professor. You cant seriously say that without a reference. Even so, its debatable.

HeavyG

Sardonicus said:

The sixth commandment (presented well before modern abortion as referred to in this thread, BTW) refers to 'killing'.
How do you know that abortion is 'killing'?

Please be specific.
Please.

Didn't Jesus say in the Sermon on the Mount that he would defund Planned Parenthood???

Sardonicus

GATraveller said:

Sardonicus said:

The sixth commandment (presented well before modern abortion as referred to in this thread, BTW) refers to 'killing'.
How do you know that abortion is 'killing'?

Please be specific.
Please.

Because life begins with conception.

Psalm 139:13-17 New International Version (NIV)

13 For you created my inmost being;
    you knit me together in my mother’s womb.
14 I praise you because I am fearfully and wonderfully made;
    your works are wonderful,
    I know that full well.

Thank you.  
I'm not sure here, but
you seem to answer a general question of 'why do you believe?'
rather than
the specific question of 'how do you know?'.

Acknowledgement of the difference between the two questions may be our disconnect.  
Doesn't make your answer wrong - merely imprecise as relates to question asked.

Fred19Flintstone

MaC122 said:

JohnInCarolina said:

The view of abortion within the first trimester as being a cardinal sin is actually a fairly recent invention when viewed in the long history of the church.

come on professor. You cant seriously say that without a reference. Even so, its debatable.

Hey now!!!  If John says it, it must be true.

MaC122

Fred19Flintstone said:

MaC122 said:

JohnInCarolina said:

The view of abortion within the first trimester as being a cardinal sin is actually a fairly recent invention when viewed in the long history of the church.

come on professor. You cant seriously say that without a reference. Even so, its debatable.

Hey now!!!  If John says it, it must be true.

well, crap.

JohnInCarolina

MaC122 said:

JohnInCarolina said:

The view of abortion within the first trimester as being a cardinal sin is actually a fairly recent invention when viewed in the long history of the church.

come on professor. You cant seriously say that without a reference. Even so, its debatable.

You mean I can't just make some arbitrary statement and have it accepted as fact?  

Sardonicus

Fred19Flintstone said:

Sardonicus said:

Fred19Flintstone said:

BigWings said:

. . . But I am curious for some examples of Jesus's moral teachings that liberals tend to oppose.   

Liberals are all in for abortion.  I'm pretty sure the Lord opposes that.

How do you know that, exactly?
Please be specific.

I don't need to prove it because it's axiomatic.  The Lord would never say, "Sucking the fetus out of your body and throwing it away?  I'm cool with that."

If you need a chapter and verse in order to know the Lord's position on the matter, then I pity you sir.

First, I didn't ask you to "prove it".  I asked for the source of your knowledge.
You, in turn, offered naught but the source of your faith.

Further, sir - any pity of mine toward you would be fact-based rather than founded on faith.
  
  

nolaegghead

MaC122 said:

JohnInCarolina said:

The view of abortion within the first trimester as being a cardinal sin is actually a fairly recent invention when viewed in the long history of the church.

come on professor. You cant seriously say that without a reference. Even so, its debatable.

Irony police here.  You are on notice.

GATraveller

Sardonicus said:

GATraveller said:

Sardonicus said:

The sixth commandment (presented well before modern abortion as referred to in this thread, BTW) refers to 'killing'.
How do you know that abortion is 'killing'?

Please be specific.
Please.

Because life begins with conception.

Psalm 139:13-17 New International Version (NIV)

13 For you created my inmost being;
    you knit me together in my mother’s womb.
14 I praise you because I am fearfully and wonderfully made;
    your works are wonderful,
    I know that full well.

Thank you.  
I'm not sure here, but
you seem to answer a general question of 'why do you believe?'
rather than
the specific question of 'how do you know?'.

Acknowledgement of the difference between the two questions may be our disconnect.  
Doesn't make your answer wrong - merely imprecise as relates to question asked.

How do you know abortion is not killing?

HeavyG

Sardonicus said:

GATraveller said:

Sardonicus said:

The sixth commandment (presented well before modern abortion as referred to in this thread, BTW) refers to 'killing'.
How do you know that abortion is 'killing'?

Please be specific.
Please.

Because life begins with conception.

Psalm 139:13-17 New International Version (NIV)

13 For you created my inmost being;
    you knit me together in my mother’s womb.
14 I praise you because I am fearfully and wonderfully made;
    your works are wonderful,
    I know that full well.

Thank you.  
I'm not sure here, but
you seem to answer a general question of 'why do you believe?'
rather than
the specific question of 'how do you know?'.

Acknowledgement of the difference between the two questions may be our disconnect.  
Doesn't make your answer wrong - merely imprecise as relates to question asked.

Many Biblical scholars view Numbers 5:11-31 as being a ritual where a priest gives an unfaithful wife a potion in order to cause an abortion in case she was pregnant with the other mans child.

Abortion and infanticide and simply abandoning children were not uncommon practices among the peoples of the time of the Bible.

Let's not forget that it is okay to kill a child if they call a parent a doodyhead so life in the Bible is not always as precious as many try to make it out.

MaC122

JohnInCarolina said:

MaC122 said:

JohnInCarolina said:

The view of abortion within the first trimester as being a cardinal sin is actually a fairly recent invention when viewed in the long history of the church.

come on professor. You cant seriously say that without a reference. Even so, its debatable.

You mean I can't just make some arbitrary statement and have it accepted as fact?  

I see where you are going with this. I see that you are insinuating that I made an "arbitrary statement" in my original post. Call out a professor, or disagree with them, holy crap! This is an ongoing situation at my current college.

Sardonicus

GATraveller said:

Thank you.  
I'm not sure here, but
you seem to answer a general question of 'why do you believe?'
rather than
the specific question of 'how do you know?'.

Acknowledgement of the difference between the two questions may be our disconnect.  
Doesn't make your answer wrong - merely imprecise as relates to question asked.

How do you know abortion is not killing?

I don't.
You have erred in interpreting my question as indicative of a contrary position.

In fact, I strongly suspect that "life" does begin at conception.  I included the word life in quotes to indicate my lack of certainty on the subject.

Because I am unsure, I choose to oppose abortion
because I'd rather be wrong that way.


That said:  We don't have a daughter, but if we did . . . she would already know how we felt on the subject.  If she found herself faced with that dilemma - whatever the cause - I would stand bodily before her to prevent you or any other man trying to force her to do something with her body because of what you/he believes.

I would feel the same way about your daughter's rights too.  

If the woman is wrong, it's her body - her sin.
She decides, her God judges.
Anyone other than those two can pound sand.

GATraveller

I made no interpretation at all.....just merely asked the same question of the questioner.  

Sardonicus

unh hunh

MaC122

The Cen-Tex Smoker said:

MaC122 said:

I am so tired of this generation. They think they know everything. They hate the police but are the first to call 911. They protest everything because they think that they are making a change. Mommy and Daddy paid for college. I'm 35 and I just want to **** slap every bearded hippie I see on CNN. Why does Trump keep winning? I think that the people are tired of the media and left the attacking people. It is truly amazing to be alive during this political process.

ha ha- at 35 you have no actual experience with "this generation" other than whatever media you watch. I have college aged kids and they are nothing like what you rail against here. turn off your TV, go outside and chill the f*ck out. we are all gong to be OK.

FWIW- your generation sucks balls too. So does mine, and so does "the greatest".  Just ask the generation before each and they will gladly let you know how horrible those Little shits were who came after and  f*cked it all up forever. 

at what point do I gain experience? Ok I'm 35, I'm guessing that's too young

nolaegghead

I think Cen-tex is saying you're too young to have kids in college.

NPHuskerFL

JohnInCarolina said:

MaC122 said:

JohnInCarolina said:

The view of abortion within the first trimester as being a cardinal sin is actually a fairly recent invention when viewed in the long history of the church.

come on professor. You cant seriously say that without a reference. Even so, its debatable.

You mean I can't just make some arbitrary statement and have it accepted as fact?  

https://youtu.be/xs3_hNYAVRw

GATraveller

I recklessly abandoned a lot of kids in my life....

SGH

I clicked on here to just stir the pot. Looks like it's already well stirred though. 

Legume

MaC122 said:

The Cen-Tex Smoker said:

MaC122 said:

I am so tired of this generation. They think they know everything. They hate the police but are the first to call 911. They protest everything because they think that they are making a change. Mommy and Daddy paid for college. I'm 35 and I just want to **** slap every bearded hippie I see on CNN. Why does Trump keep winning? I think that the people are tired of the media and left the attacking people. It is truly amazing to be alive during this political process.

ha ha- at 35 you have no actual experience with "this generation" other than whatever media you watch. I have college aged kids and they are nothing like what you rail against here. turn off your TV, go outside and chill the f*ck out. we are all gong to be OK.

FWIW- your generation sucks balls too. So does mine, and so does "the greatest".  Just ask the generation before each and they will gladly let you know how horrible those Little shits were who came after and  f*cked it all up forever. 

at what point do I gain experience? Ok I'm 35, I'm guessing that's too young

Every day, hopefully.  But I think the point was direct experience with this generation you were complaining about originally.  Same generalized complaints are made about every generation by those that came before them.  

We are going into the toilet because of the current generation...and we have been for generations and generations.

JohnInCarolina

MaC122 said:

JohnInCarolina said:

MaC122 said:

JohnInCarolina said:

The view of abortion within the first trimester as being a cardinal sin is actually a fairly recent invention when viewed in the long history of the church.

come on professor. You cant seriously say that without a reference. Even so, its debatable.

You mean I can't just make some arbitrary statement and have it accepted as fact?  

I see where you are going with this. I see that you are insinuating that I made an "arbitrary statement" in my original post. Call out a professor, or disagree with them, holy crap! This is an ongoing situation at my current college.

Yes we tend to value logic, facts, and critical thinking skills.  So debates over nonsense can be frustrating to both sides.

NPHuskerFL

Cornstarch. Blame it on cornstarch! 

MaC122

SGH said:

I clicked on here to just stir the pot. Looks like it's already well stirred though. 

no you didn't just click here. Haha. you have the same thought about the issues

Eggzellent

If my taxes over all these years (i.e.. "decreased government funding") are now suddenly being deemed to be "insufficient"...I have a solution:

Publish the yearly salaries, benefit packages, tenure contracts, career earnings (bogus patents, spin-off businesses, 'non-profits', etc.) created using public facilities that no other taxpayer can access on each college website.

Us 'peon' taxpayers will then 'check the math' for each employee of a public university for the past 50 years..just to make certain that we're all on the same page (moving forward) and so as to be assured that our grandchildren working there are indeed getting the same 'deal' today (not to mention tomorrow).

"Scam" is a nice word for the corruption that has been our college campuses for far too long.

SGH

MaC122 said:

SGH said:

I clicked on here to just stir the pot. Looks like it's already well stirred though. 

no you didn't just click here. Haha. you have the same thought about the issues

Brother Mac, I'm not going to take my medicine tonight. Tonight I will really be trolling

henapple

  Arguing religion is pointless. Believers argue their views with a book that unbelievers don't acknowledge. Unbelievers argument excludes the very book that Christians believe is the word of God. Pointless. 

I am one of the middle of road guys I guess. IMHO most Christians miss the message of Jesus. He was a radical. He taught that women and children were just as important as men. He taught that the "others" were just as good, if not better than his own. He taught this world is temporal. Why believers get so caught up in politics is beyond me. He was offered the world (temptation) and passed. He taught that money wasn't a believers goal. "daily bread" he prayed for was a reference to the OT.... Not so little that I have to steal for my family and not so much that I forget who provides. He didn't judge..... 

But...  almost every time he served or healed someone he ended with "go and sin no more". The liberal mindset that truth, right and wrong is relative goes against his message. The "if it feels good do it" philosophy is not the message. He was apparently against the cultural method of a kind of abortion... Exposure. Liberals are socially aware but seem to want govt to do it while Christian groups seem to pass on the same issues in lieu of religion. 

That's just my 2 cents. Love. It's a tall and tough order to do unto others, to consider others more important than yourself, to cross racial and economical barriers, to love everyone. 

jabam

Sardonicus said:

The sixth commandment (presented well before modern abortion as referred to in this thread, BTW) refers to 'killing'.
How do you know that abortion is 'killing'?

Please be specific.
Please.

Dictionary definition of kill;  "to deprive of life in any manner"

JohnInCarolina

Eggzellent said:

If my taxes over all these years (i.e.. "decreased government funding") are now suddenly being deemed to be "insufficient"...I have a solution:

Publish the yearly salaries, benefit packages, tenure contracts, career earnings (bogus patents, spin-off businesses, 'non-profits', etc.) created using public facilities that no other taxpayer can access on each college website.

Most public colleges and universities do precisely this already.  You can look up the salary of any faculty member in the UC system, University of Texas, Ohio, Michigan...

Acn

JohnInCarolina said:

Eggzellent said:

If my taxes over all these years (i.e.. "decreased government funding") are now suddenly being deemed to be "insufficient"...I have a solution:

Publish the yearly salaries, benefit packages, tenure contracts, career earnings (bogus patents, spin-off businesses, 'non-profits', etc.) created using public facilities that no other taxpayer can access on each college website.

Most public colleges and universities do precisely this already.  You can look up the salary of any faculty member in the UC system, University of Texas, Ohio, Michigan...

And I bet most people will be more upset about associate professors making $90k than about football coaches making $3 million+, because, you know, priorities.