. . . home of the brave

henapple

I just got in...   One bourbon and then to sleep. You always lump all Christians together in a group. ALL. They're Republitards, 6000 year creationist, pray to a genie in the sky, gay haters, climate change deniers, etc.... Again, ALL CHRISTIANS.... But, if someone says that out of 10,000 Muslim refugees there's a good chance that 15-20 are terrorist.... You start with the Islamophobe ****........ 
The refugees do need help. A lot of people need help just as bad. We can help them but I'm not sure dropping them all over the country is the best way. 

nolaegghead

@henapple - no I do not.

Westboro Baptist Church christians are asssholes.  Catholics are lost, but ok...my parents tried to make me one.  I think you're cherry picking.  I think people should believe in reality and not be slaves to a deity that can read your mind and thoughts when you are dreaming, when you are awake, when you are in the womb, sees you checking out the neighbor lady, knows when you jerk off and actually cares about it and who wants you to worship him, and based on how well you do that will decide if your afterlife is eternal misery, or more total subjugation and constant worship for an eternity on a cloud.  Slavery. Fun times. I'll fuckn burn before I worship an a-hole micromanager.  I deal with enough of those professionally.

Let me even the playing field for you.  Everyone is equal.  From your perspective, that doesn't seem fair. I'm not judging refugees based on their religion, because being a refugee isn't a religion, but I am judging hypocrites on theirs, because they use that platform, selectively, to argue.

henapple

But they are religious... Muslims. Surely you don't want more religious people here. 
Most people aren't judging them because they are refugees... It's because they're Muslims. 

nolaegghead

I'd rather everyone subscribe to, as the French have a word to describe: Laïcité

That said, I NEVER will deny the freedom for anyone or group to believe in whatever nonsense they wish as long as they don't impose it on others.  We have a constitution that does that, so I think we're safe from that crazy and stateside crazy, although it is a battle sometimes. 

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Laïcité

Davec433

Awesome video on how our immigration policy "helps" the poor from every other nation.

https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=LPjzfGChGlE

Bring refugees here from anywhere probably makes us feel good but doesn't help the root problem at all. Plus after recent events we need to really rethink this so called vetting process.

nolaegghead

I think, like Tony, you are confusing "Refugees" from "Migrants" or the Poor, as this person is talking about (look at his numbers from Mexico, then look up the poverty numbers from some reputable source - readily available and draw a conclusion on his marbles).

Davec433

His numbers aren't correct but his statements are still valid. There are a lot of similarities between poor, migrant and refugees. Look at the people flooding our southern border they could easily fit all three in most cases.

Davec433

@nolaegghead watched your Huffufington post video and the guy is right but has no solution to stop the terrorism and "pausing" the refugees while we sort things out is common sense. Not sure why the multi-culture and open border crowd can't see that people with bad intentions are slipping through as well and we should do what we can to prevent that.

Was talking to a buddy who was comparing the deaths in America to terrorism and accidental car crashes. Roughly 21k died last year in horrific accidents and terrorism in this country killed 3,380 from 2001-2013. It's obvious that Terroists aren't going to over throw our country but we'd be idiots if we didn't do anything about it.

French version if SWAT killed another couple of terrorists.

https://www.rt.com/news/322507-gunfire-paris-night-police/

nolaegghead

@Davec433

http://www.brookings.edu/~/media/research/files/reports/2010/9/immigration-greenstone-looney/09_immigration.pdf

nolaegghead

I am sad, that reality is ignored in lieu of emotion.  It hurts everyone. 

nolaegghead

What "feels good" and what works.  This separates the George W. Bushes from the Thomas Jeffersons.

nolaegghead

@Davec433 I don't disagree with the bow-tie guy's premise, as misrepresented it was.  It's just not applicable here.

YukonRon

nolaegghead said:

What "feels good" and what works.  This separates the George W. Bushes from the Thomas Jeffersons.

The same Thomas Jefferson that allowed his own children to be birthed into slavery, yet is amongst the most eloquent of writers in an idealist manner, manifesting God as the inspiration and creator?
 
Is this a Hypocrites vs. Moron stance?
G Dub, could never be confused with TJ in intellect, I am sure, but in hypocrisy, perhaps.....
Not the right time for debate on that one.

Just for the record, Islamic extremists are already on our soil. We did not catch them before they entered The United States. I doubt we will catch any in the future, upon entering, either. This is real. Ask the families of the 286 injured or killed at the Boston Marathon.

For our safety maybe we should just monitor the purchases of pressure cookers, I suppose?

I do not pretend to have the answers, and this is not about religion or race.
It is about a war.

As any general will tell you, victory comes not when an Army of soldiers are defeated, for that is just a battle. The victory comes when, the will of the people, no longer exists to defend their beliefs and policies. The war is then over. Victory is had.

Is not allowing these people in our country a victory for ISIS? Who knows?

One thing I do know, this grand experiment was forever changed due to 911. I expect it to change more. Visit the Jefferson Memorial. Inside are 4 of his greatest writings. One of the manifestos speaks of government changing with the times, based on current conditions and discoveries.

Maybe the former slave owner, which also wrote for their freedom, was right, after all? We actually morph our government to meet the needs of the conditions at hand? Amendments, I think they are called, or even law.

Just to be clear- my fourth woodford reserve, after a night dancing with my beautiful wife at the Joe Bonamassa concert in Louisvile is one the reasons for this meandering diatribe. The others are because I am an azole.

I know I will awaken later, re read and either apologize or question severely, what the f#€|< was I thinking.

JohnInCarolina

Yikes.

DMW

http://ryandueck.com/2015/09/16/im-sorry-christian-but-you-dont-get-to-make-that-move/

SGH

JohnInCarolina said:

Yikes.

It won't be long now my friend. This thread will be going the way, well you know. Just a feeling I have.......

YukonRon

SGH said:

JohnInCarolina said:

Yikes.

It won't be long now my friend. This thread will be going the way, well you know. Just a feeling I have.......

Buffalo Trace? The Bourbon? Got that too!

JohnInCarolina

It really is too bad that Reagan isn't President.  That guy knew how to cut and run after a terrorist bombing.

badinfluence

Wow....just...wow is all I can say....NO it's not.Call it racist or whatever you want I don't care. Keep them out. These goat humpers need to stay where they are. Unless you were next to me fighting these f***s I think I have EARNED my opinion on this one. All these bleeding heart liberals here thinking that being nice to them would be all they need to change there opinion.....WAKE UP! They WANT to kill us.

One other point. Brining in another 10,000 for our taxpayers to support is crazy. We have over 50,000 homeless Vetrans right now in the US and what the hell is our government doing for them....yeah bring them in...bunch of dumb a** liberals. Going to collage going to save the world. This is a religious war that we will NOT change. It's been going on for 2000 years and still going. I'm with Trump on this...close the borders. Sorry Canada that means you guys too.

HendersonTRKing

Ok, it's a war -- reasonable minds agree on that at least, right?

And in war, Refugees are presumed to be non-combatants. They flee the strife and devastation in homelands in which they'd prefer to remain in order to protect themselves and their families. Aside from our own veterans (who have been so sorely betrayed), is there a group more deserving of our compassion and aid?

Will some agents of war pose as refugees? Perhaps. Unlikely, but perhaps. Do we need to screen and vet and take care to limit infiltration? Of course we do. 

This latest round of fear-mongering and chest-thumping and irrationality is nothing new. From Japanese-American internment to Christie's latest assault on 5 year old orphans, there always will be elements in our society prepared to sacrifice our uniquely American values in the name of "liberty" and homeland protection. Resist the darker urge to follow that path, people. We are better than that, and must continue to be better than that if we are to fulfill the promises on which this great country was built. 

(All thoughts conceived and set down in the morning light without the benefit of bourbon or mind-altering substances of any kind!)

Carry on!  

Eggcelsior

This is a religious war that we will NOT change. It's been going on for 2000 years and still going.


Indeed. First is was Christian terrorism with the Crusades. Now, certain Muslims want the same thing, by any means necessary. Don't pretend any of the major religions is better than another one. Hell, look at what the first settlers of this country and we now continue to do Native Americans. They are refugees in their own land, concentrated in camps.

Sit down with that bullsh¡t. We have zero room to judge.

JohnInCarolina

It's a war alright.

Eggcelsior

Also, as a veteran, you have my respect, but don't even think your opinion is any more important than another US Citizen. We've all EARNED our opinion buy being a citizen, nothing more. That's what our Constitution guarantees.

YukonRon

HendersonTRKing said:

Ok, it's a war -- reasonable minds agree on that at least, right?

And in war, Refugees are presumed to be non-combatants. They flee the strife and devastation in homelands in which they'd prefer to remain in order to protect themselves and their families. Aside from our own veterans (who have been so sorely betrayed), is there a group more deserving of our compassion and aid?

Will some agents of war pose as refugees? Perhaps. Unlikely, but perhaps. Do we need to screen and vet and take care to limit infiltration? Of course we do. 

This latest round of fear-mongering and chest-thumping and irrationality is nothing new. From Japanese-American internment to Christie's latest assault on 5 year old orphans, there always will be elements in our society prepared to sacrifice our uniquely American values in the name of "liberty" and homeland protection. Resist the darker urge to follow that path, people. We are better than that, and must continue to be better than that if we are to fulfill the promises on which this great country was built. 

(All thoughts conceived and set down in the morning light without the benefit of bourbon or mind-altering substances of any kind!)

Carry on!  

Dear sir, the advantages and liberties you take using a clear mind to opine!
I will scoff at you. Just kidding.

Seriously though, my beautiful wife and I did go see Joe Bonamassa at the Palice Theater here in Louisville. The security upon entrance was tight. Metal detectors; walk throughs and wands were used, as well as searches. There were several squad cars outside the theater, with police, heavily armed and ready.

I would think, given the recent circumstance of Paris, and our own history for that matter, we are less concerned about those proposed to arrive, than what we suspect is already here.

Louisville is not a city like DC, NY, Boston, or Paris, folks. The threat my friends, is already here, it is real, and that is a fact.

Davec433

DMW said:

http://ryandueck.com/2015/09/16/im-sorry-christian-but-you-dont-get-to-make-that-move/

I love how as Christians we have the obligation to care for people even if it will bring upon our own demise and end our way of life, pretty hypocritical.

https://www.funker530.com/warning-graphic-catholic-extremists-execute-600-civilians/

badinfluence

Then let them move into YOUR neiborhood. See how fast you could sell your house when the buyer with young kids would buy it. Personally I don't give a s*** about your opinion....you were NOT there. You have NOT seen what I have. Yes that is the great thing about the US you can speak your liberal crap and we have to listen.

JohnInCarolina

Davec433 said:

DMW said:

http://ryandueck.com/2015/09/16/im-sorry-christian-but-you-dont-get-to-make-that-move/

I love how as Christians we have the obligation to care for people even if it will bring upon our own demise 

Good point.  Everybody knows Jesus stayed away from the lepers!

DMW

Davec433 said:

DMW said:

http://ryandueck.com/2015/09/16/im-sorry-christian-but-you-dont-get-to-make-that-move/

I love how as Christians we have the obligation to care for people even if it will bring upon our own demise and end our way of life, pretty hypocritical.

https://www.funker530.com/warning-graphic-catholic-extremists-execute-600-civilians/

Not sure I follow. Extending a hand to help those who can't help themselves because they are being exposed to violence unheard of? I am NOT saying we should bring ISIS militants in and give them a bed. No, they should have their heads removed. The victims of ISIS violence, we should help them.

Will we be 100% correct in making the classification? No. Does that mean we shouldn't try? No. 

Davec433

I love the we HAVE to let them in crowd. But... but... Jesus healed the blind, turned water into wine and drove out demons. All I'm saying is we need to take a hard look at each one of these refugees and we should be in no hurry to import terrorism and needlessly put our citizens at risk.

DMW

Davec433 said:

I love the we HAVE to let them in crowd. But... but... Jesus healed the blind, turned water into wine and drove out demons. All I'm saying is we need to take a hard look at each one of these refugees and we should be in no hurry to import terrorism and needlessly put our citizens at risk.

I agree that we should use due diligence and discretion.