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NPHuskerFL

nolaegghead said:

I love this.

In about 5 yrs one of the refugees will be on the forum asking tips on brisket. 

DMW

NPHuskerFL said:

nolaegghead said:

I love this.

In about 5 yrs one of the refugees will be on the forum asking tips on brisket. 

I hope we are willing to help him.

Davec433

NPHuskerFL said:

@badinfluence Veteran to Veteran. I get it. But, it's the media's job to paint a picture. The left has theirs and the right theirs. I've stated my concerns. I also know as a family man if I were in these folks shoes I'd wanna hightail it out of there too. They don't want to be around that crap over there any more than you or I do. Unfortunately there's no clear cut answer that is going to make everybody happy. Meanwhile these people and their families are being slaughtered, raped and are living in conditions unimaginable to you and I. I have lost many friends in the military and private contractors alike. Fear seems to be the motivating factor. I have serious issue with homeless Vets not getting help. Is it nobody cares after they're done serving our country? 

I'm going through the "Transitioning process" now and you'd be surprised the suicide rate of people who have left the service for what ever reason. 29.5 percent or 50% more than their civilian counterparts or 22 a day scary numbers. I'm not saying nobody cares but It's easy to get lost in the sauce when people don't understand your issues.

NPHuskerFL

Davec433 said:

 you'd be surprised the suicide rate of people who have left the service for what ever reason. 29.5 percent or 50% more than their civilian counterparts or 22 a day scary numbers. I'm not saying nobody cares but It's easy to get lost in the sauce when people don't understand your issues.

No. Sadly I'm not surprised. Some things can't be unseen. And the sauce doesn't help matters. Just lost another brother to this last month. It sucks!

NPHuskerFL

DMW said:

NPHuskerFL said:

nolaegghead said:

I love this.

In about 5 yrs one of the refugees will be on the forum asking tips on brisket. 

I hope we are willing to help him.

I say w/out reservation I would. And I'm betting they could offer up their own culinary advice too. 

nolaegghead

Davec433 said:

NPHuskerFL said:

@badinfluence Veteran to Veteran. I get it. But, it's the media's job to paint a picture. The left has theirs and the right theirs. I've stated my concerns. I also know as a family man if I were in these folks shoes I'd wanna hightail it out of there too. They don't want to be around that crap over there any more than you or I do. Unfortunately there's no clear cut answer that is going to make everybody happy. Meanwhile these people and their families are being slaughtered, raped and are living in conditions unimaginable to you and I. I have lost many friends in the military and private contractors alike. Fear seems to be the motivating factor. I have serious issue with homeless Vets not getting help. Is it nobody cares after they're done serving our country? 

I'm going through the "Transitioning process" now and you'd be surprised the suicide rate of people who have left the service for what ever reason. 29.5 percent or 50% more than their civilian counterparts or 22 a day scary numbers. I'm not saying nobody cares but It's easy to get lost in the sauce when people don't understand your issues.

Good point.

6,500 former military personnel killed themselves in 2012. More veterans succumbed to suicide than were killed in Iraq. In 2012, 177 active-duty soldiers committed suicide, conversely 176 soldiers were killed in combat. In other words, more soldiers committed suicide compared to being killed in action. In 2012, the study concluded that Army had the highest number of suicides compared to any other service branch. [1]

In 2013, the United States Department of Veterans Affairs released a study that covered suicides from 1999 to 2010, which showed that roughly 22 veterans were committing suicide per day, or one every 65 minutes.[4] Some sources suggest that this rate may be undercounting suicides.[5] A recent analysis found a suicide rate among veterans of about 30 per 100,000 population per year, compared with the civilian rate of 14 per 100,000.[5][6] However, the comparison was not adjusted for age and sex.

The total number of suicides differs by age group; 31% of these suicides were by veterans 49 and younger while 69% were by veterans aged 50 and older.[7] As with suicides in general, suicide of veterans is primarily male, with about 97 percent of the suicides being male in the states that reported gender.[6]

In 2015, the Clay Hunt Veterans Suicide Prevention Act passed in the Senate[8] and was then enacted as Pub.L. 114–2 on February 12, 2015.

Will you please lobby your local republican to put his money where his patriotic mouth is?

http://lmgtfy.com/?q=republicans+helping+veterans

badinfluence

@NPHuskerFL  I said I agree to help. IN there oun country. They can stand and fight just as we will have to stand and fight when it hits in your town. Agree also they are scared...so was I when I was there but I did what I had to do to stay alive which was fight. Yes there will be more bloodshed, but if we do nothing IN Syria then there is a better stronghold for them there.

Not saying I have a answer but bringing them here is NOT a fix. It is a band aid.

fishlessman

NPHuskerFL said:

DMW said:

NPHuskerFL said:

nolaegghead said:

I love this.

In about 5 yrs one of the refugees will be on the forum asking tips on brisket. 

I hope we are willing to help him.

I say w/out reservation I would. And I'm betting they could offer up their own culinary advice too. 

lots of lamb dishes

NPHuskerFL

@nolaegghead The lack of support to transitioning Veterans is not a new problem. It's on the rise due to influx of people getting out of each branch. And as much as I don't like the Dems...the Republicans have not helped either. Both parties have failed in this. Not one or the other. And the only one whom suffers is the individuals that desperately needs help. VA is a joke and the waiting list might as well be compared to organ transplant waiting list.

nolaegghead

@NPHuskerFL - I have two BILs that are engineers at VA hospitals in NOLA and Seattle.  One just retired, the other is about to.  I can give you some stories told by them to me about the jerking around they get by congress.  Funding their stuff is a political football and they're set up to fail.  You'll be so angry you probably don't want to hear about it.

nolaegghead

Let me qualify this is about the cost over-runs and delays in building and expanding facilities.  The patient care side is another story entirely.

nolaegghead

Just because this looks cool, no other reason....

badinfluence

@Nolaegghead I understand there struggle. I live there struggle day by day. Honestly I think a lot of the problem is our currant government that we feel has failed us. We fought for our constitution then they want to take our guns away for example.

The liberals think they have all the answers to everything but when things don't go as planned they pass the buck. 

I just feel we need to help our own first. No child should be hungry in our great country. If they are in another country oh well there government is failing just as ours has.

YukonRon

JohnInCarolina said:

YukonRon said:

blasting said:

Set up a safe zone in syria for them.  Provide aid, medicine, food, water, and security.

Nobody is denying that a % of the refugees are terrorists, we need to keep them out.

Does anyone not believe that it's just a matter of time until we have a Paris style attack in America?  Let's keep that in mind while we determine how many young Muslim men with not papers we let into our country.

@blasting @badinfluence  Already has. Boston Marathon. I think the numbers were around 286(?) wounded and killed. Muslim extremists using pressure cooking pot filled with metal as IEDs. They were Caucasian. They were terrorists.

We're the Boston marathon bombers refugees?  

Not the point. The point seems to be 
we (commenting members of the forum) seem to be less concerned about what is already here, and more concerned about refugees, that may or may not be given safe haven here in the USA.
investigate the 10,000. Hold up the riskier folks, and keep an eye on them.
The bombers, were Muslim terrorists, enjoying the American lifestyle, keenly adept at bomb building. Attacking, maiming and killing innocent Americans.
The attacks of 911 were also not Syrian refugees, and the previous attack on the World Trade Center using a van with a bomb, parked in the underground garage were not refugees. They were Muslim cleric.
I do not think refugees are the problem, Islamic radical fundamentalists are the issue. Keep those guys out.

Sardonicus

nolaegghead said:

I love this.

It is revealing, hunh?

nolaegghead

Terrorists have a goal of "terrorizing" a mass population through an attack of the "ordinary".  The damage to the national psyche is massively greater than the amount of physical damage.  When they can make a large percentage of the population scared, like little sissy girls crying for their mommies, they win  That is how they win, when you are a scared little sissy fvck. Don't let the terrorists win.  Don't be a **** sissy afraid of your own shadow and clutching your gun collection like it will stop terrorism.  You are making them win. You are part of the problem.

badinfluence

Where do you think was a safe haven for these guys....give you 1 guess. When they flee as a mass you don't think they are that stupid do you? They went with. Perfect oppritunity for them to set up across Europe. And we want to give them a free open door. Are we that foolish? God I hope not.

kind of hard to vette thes people when they have no birth records, drivers license, medical records....nothing. We don't even know there real names. Just my opinion is this is a very bad idea. 

Zarcon

Since this post is already on it's last leg, might as well throw in my opinion. But not on the subject, more on this topic post itself (and the others that have already gone). I prefer to keep my discussions on subjects like this within my family and friends I know IRL instead.

Everyone has their own answers, suggestions, solutions or whatever term you'd like to use here, to everything. Theirs are right while everyone else is wrong. What makes most all of us different though is, that we are not willing to go to the ultimate extremes on those who don't agree (I hope). We can agree to disagree and that's as far as I will go with that.

I understand that some topics are created with intention of 'trolling' or trying to get someone 'fired up' for the fun of it. What I don't understand though, is why start a debate/discussion on this particular forum, on such sensitive subjects that we all know will end in disaster? I know that it's not meant to do that sometimes, but most often it always comes to that. Maybe that's what you enjoy about it, idk?

I don't know any of you 'personally', nor do you know me. I don't know what any of you have ever been through and vice versa. You can quickly strike a nerve with another and not even know it. 'Ah come on man.. It's the internet. Lighten up!' is easier said than done sometimes.

I believe that we can all agree that the whole world has it's problems. I say, stick to the ones we have when it comes to Eggin'. It's a bit disturbing (to me anyways) to see members here sharing cooks and laughs all the sudden turn into bitter opponents. But then again, that's just my opinion 

fishlessman

nolaegghead said:

Terrorists have a goal of "terrorizing" a mass population through an attack of the "ordinary".  The damage to the national psyche is massively greater than the amount of physical damage.  When they can make a large percentage of the population scared, like little sissy girls crying for their mommies, they win  That is how they win, when you are a scared little sissy fvck. Don't let the terrorists win.  Don't be a **** sissy afraid of your own shadow and clutching your gun collection like it will stop terrorism.  You are making them win. You are part of the problem.

isis is more than a little terrorist group, just ask all the refugees

nolaegghead

I agree with you.  We have free will in a free country.  I welcome all my egg brothers and sisters if you are in my city.  Discussion is healthy.  Unfortunately, some people can't handle it, and it does get a little personal....like - oh, you are xxxxx.  Ummm...alright.  Maybe not invite over for dinner.

Anyway.   That is all.

Zarcon

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Awww Poor Baby.. Are you offended?

Posted on October 24, 2014

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I try to keep my opinions to myself but sometimes it's just too much for me to bite my tongue. It seems that every time I turn around, someone is 'offended' by some of the most ridiculous things. It can be anything from commercials, TV shows, Football team names, Holiday decorations, to even the 10 commandments located at the courthouse. I say to these people.. How in the hell do any of these things affect your normal daily life as a human being?

So you didn't like a TV show that you 'chose' to watch and instead of just changing the channel to any of the 250+ channels available, you decided that everyone should be at YOUR beck-and-call and adhere to changes that would make YOU feel better.

So the name Washington Redskins is offensive? After 82 years (established in 1932), all the sudden the name 'Redskins' is considered as offensive as the 'N word'?? really.. really.. For 81 and 1/2 years, it was just fine..

Yes we have a freedom of religion. You have the 'right' to believe in whatever you want and/or worship whatever you want. However, someone outside the Christian faith has the ability to contest a manger scene in someone's front yard and request the city to have it removed because it's not what THEY believe in??? Or have the 10 commandments removed from the city courthouse because they find it offensive after being there for 50+ years????

Something that tends to be forgotten is our greatest ability called.. 'Free Will'. Its real simple.. You don't like a TV show, change the channel.. Don't like a holiday decoration, don't look at it.. Nobody is being forced to do anything.. One of my personal favorites.. You don't like the fact that Kroger allows it's customers to exercise their 2nd Amendment rights, then go shop somewhere else..


Why is it that I feel like our government tries so hard to make everyone 'happy' and not feel 'offended'? There is an old saying that goes, 'Sometimes you have to piss some people off in order to make yourself happy'.

I could go on and on.. but I will stop for now..

The BGE Nest Administrator - Chris
Weeki Wachee, FL

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https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YpCASVFyQoE

HeavyG

NPHuskerFL said:

@DMW Great point. However, were Jewish known for suicide bombings or pure hated for the West?  Discrimination is one thing...Being concerned for American citizen safety is another. Sadly the majority of the refugees are likely okay. Would you want to gamble and have them move into your community?  I could care less if they're Muslim....Woop dee doo! 

One of the reasons Jewish refugees were turned away was very similar to today's concern regarding Middle Eastern refugees:

https://reason.com/blog/2015/11/17/this-isnt-americas-first-freakout-over-r

DoubleEgger

Don't forget about Boko Haram. They are some barbaric MFers. 

nolaegghead

fishlessman said:

nolaegghead said:

Terrorists have a goal of "terrorizing" a mass population through an attack of the "ordinary".  The damage to the national psyche is massively greater than the amount of physical damage.  When they can make a large percentage of the population scared, like little sissy girls crying for their mommies, they win  That is how they win, when you are a scared little sissy fvck. Don't let the terrorists win.  Don't be a **** sissy afraid of your own shadow and clutching your gun collection like it will stop terrorism.  You are making them win. You are part of the problem.

isis is more than a little terrorist group, just ask all the refugees

Isis is the revolutionary government in many areas, that is a big problem.  Keep up fishlessperson!!!!

HeavyG

DoubleEgger said:

Don't forget about Boko Haram. They are some barbaric MFers. 

Of course they are - they're Muslims!!!!!!!!!!!!!

I think what doesn't get enough attention is that groups like ISIS/ISIL and Boko Haram are really just criminal gangs using religion as a cover.

Unfortunately, as we see, by proclaiming them as "religious fanatics" many folks want to paint them as representative of the rest of the 1.6 BILLION adherents of Islam.

HeavyG

Likely won't ease many minds but interesting nonetheless:

https://reason.com/blog/2015/11/17/whats-the-vetting-process-for-syrian-ref

Eggcelsior

@badinfluence thank you for your service, and thank you for proving that you're an insensitive dumb-ass on this thread. Sorry about your PTSD.

You know nothing about me, this much is obvious. I have seen plenty of the horrors involved in the Iraq and Aghanistan theaters since the worst of the worst cases that Walter Reed or Bethesda Naval couldn't handle were sent to Shock Trauma in Baltimore, which is the foremost Trauma hospital in the world and we trained the nurses and doctors who served in those theaters via the CSTARS program. I had two friends die in Iraq. Sure, I wasn't there, but I fully realize the after effects of being blown apart by an IED when I'm changing the dressing inside a soldier's pelvis since the lower half of body is gone. 

Either way, enjoy fscking that chicken.

Sardonicus

HeavyG said:

DoubleEgger said:

Don't forget about Boko Haram. They are some barbaric MFers. 

Of course they are - they're Muslims!!!!!!!!!!!!!

I think what doesn't get enough attention is that groups like ISIS/ISIL and Boko Haram are really just criminal gangs using religion as a cover.

Unfortunately, as we see, by proclaiming them as "religious fanatics" many folks want to paint them as representative of the rest of the 1.6 BILLION adherents of Islam.

Don't forget about the KKKlan.  They are some barbaric MFers.


http://www.foxnews.com

Jury recommends death for white supremacist who killed 3 at Kansas Jewish sites

OLATHE, Kan. –  A jury recommended the death penalty Tuesday for a white supremacist who fatally shot three people at Jewish sites in Kansas, less than two hours after he told jurors he didn't care what sentence was handed down.

Frazier Glenn Miller Jr., 74, was convicted of capital murder by the same jury last week for the April 2014 shootings in suburban Kansas City. The judge overseeing the trial will now decide whether to follow the jury's sentencing recommendation.

"I believe the criminal justice system worked effectively, that the people from the state of Kansas have spoken loud and clear," William LaManno — whose wife, Terri, was among those killed — said after the verdict was read. Tony Corporon, who lost his father and nephew in the shootings, said he'd just "witnessed justice in action."

Johnson County District Attorney Steve Howe had urged the jury to recommend the death sentence earlier Tuesday during closing arguments in the trial's penalty phase. He showed one of the shotguns used in the shootings, saying Miller — who had repeatedly admitted to the killings — pointed the gun at 53-year-old Terri LaManno, but the weapon didn't fire.

Howe then grabbed another of Miller's guns to show the jury, saying LaManno "begged for her life" before Miller shot her.

"There's no doubt she was terrified. She froze. ... And his response was to brutally kill her," Howe said. "The defendant's actions are clearly the type of case the death penalty was made for."

Miller shot LaManno at the Village Shalom retirement center in Overland Park shortly after killing 69-year-old William Corporon and Corporon's 14-year-old grandson, Reat Griffin Underwood, at the nearby Jewish Community Center.

Miller, who represented himself at the trial, gave a rambling, hour-long closing argument earlier Tuesday that touched on the media, white supremacism and his health. He concluded by telling jurors he didn't care what sentence they handed down.

"Frankly my dears, I don't give a damn," he said, later raising his right arm in the Nazi salute, as he did after jurors convicted him. He also gave an obscene gesture to Howe, drawing an admonition from the judge, which were frequent during the trial.

Miller has said he was suffering from chronic emphysema and wanted to kill Jewish people before he died. None of the victims was Jewish.

His sentencing is scheduled for Nov. 10, and the judge reminded him he had the right to appeal. Lawyers who were on hand to assist Miller during the trial left the courtroom without commenting. Miller was removed from the courtroom after the verdict was read.

"Hopefully this verdict and completion of the trial will allow those impacted to begin healing," Howe said in a prepared statement after the hearing. The prosecutor said the jury "spoke for our community regarding the tragic events of April 13, 2014."

Miller, also known as Frazier Glenn Cross Jr., is a Vietnam War veteran who founded the Carolina Knights of the Ku Klux Klan in his native North Carolina and later the White Patriot Party. He also ran for the U.S. House in 2006 and the U.S. Senate in 2010 in Missouri, each time espousing a white-power platform.

If the judge agrees with the jury's recommendation, it's unclear if the death penalty would be carried out in Miller's case. A doctor testified during the trial that Miller was ill and likely had only five to six years to live. Also, Kansas hasn't executed a death row inmate in decades.

nolaegghead

I don't understand why people still support the death sentence when the following two bullet points below are proven true:

* Does nothing to deter murder over existing life sentence.
* Costs millions of dollars per conviction over life sentence.

Bonus bullet point:
* Jesus does not want.

nolaegghead

(note: clever use of word "bullet" attracts some forum members and makes them feel calm).

Sardonicus

nolaegghead said:

I don't understand why people still support the death sentence when the following two bullet points below are proven true:

* Does nothing to deter murder over existing life sentence.
* Costs millions of dollars per conviction over life sentence.

Bonus bullet point:
* Jesus does not want.

Soooo . . . , you've decided to open a coupla cans o'worms within a can o' worms?

You rock.