CIDRAP Podcast on reopening schools this fall

Legume

Legume said:

When it’s foggy or raining hard and you can’t see the road well, do you take a conservative approach and slow down to manage your risk, or do you mash the accelerator because FU fog, it’s my right to drive fast?

with your whole family in the car

JohnInCarolina

Legume said:

Legume said:

When it’s foggy or raining hard and you can’t see the road well, do you take a conservative approach and slow down to manage your risk, or do you mash the accelerator because FU fog, it’s my right to drive fast?

with your whole family in the car

It might depend on what bumper stickers are on your car.  

NCSmoky

dbCooper

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pgprescott said:

lousubcap said:

Well, so much for dissemination of reasoned perspective from an "expert."  Never mind transmission of information upon which to help bound your personal thoughts and perhaps pursue additional insights.
Let's just devolve into a full-up pi$$ing contest.  And thus the thread mirrors the state of the union.  Frigging sad. The collective "we" could do much better if not so hide-bound,  FWIW-
Off-soap box.

Problem being that all the “experts” have recanted and/or contradicted themselves repeatedly for months and months. It is not unreasonable to question their veracity. I am amused by the certainty at which they have delivered their drivel. Also amazed when they offer no explanation for a full course change in direction. It’s unbelievable. 

Please clarify which "experts" you are unhappy with.  The items you list seem to fit the political classes rather well.  Is it "them" or some other "others"?

HeavyG

"Covid bounty". I have so many questions. 
How much is the "covid bounty"? $1.95? $50? $100? $250? More?
Also, who's paying the "covid bounty"? Do they pay in cash or gift cards?

Lit

JohnInCarolina said:

Lit said:

Legume said:

pgprescott said:

JohnInCarolina said:

pgprescott said:

JohnInCarolina said:

By the way, you don’t calculate risk of death by taking the percentage of the *total population* who have died.  You need to use the number of people *infected* in the denominator.  

Telll me again just how many have been infected? Is it ten million more than the official count? Is it 100 million more than the official count? Is it an accurate count? I noticed that none of the usual suspects answers any of the questions posed with the exception of where Johns kids go to school, but rather they just call you stupid. Well done. 

Tell me again why anyone here should engage you in good faith?  You didn’t come in here to discuss the podcast - you dismissed it as drivel, without even listening to it!  You’re just in here throwing rocks, and the sad thing is you have no idea how much you’re embarrassing yourself in the process.

Good day, sir.

You once again don’t answer any tough questions because either the answers embarrass you or you realize they don’t fit your perspective. That’s all.

 I continue to be impressed by the certainty with which the experts have and continue to be catastrophically wrong though. equally impressed at the willingness for people to follow the advice of said experts without any simple critical thought. 

Good day to you also, Sir!!😂

I think the problem is that some people expect certainty from predictions.  If we had a pandemic every few years, I could see how we could maybe expect to be better at this.   But they’re very rare and this is a new to us virus, these are complex biological systems.  So, I don’t think it’s as much about being right vs wrong, it’s about risk management and not being too wrong in the wrong direction (eg bad outcomes).  It also means that you have to continuously assess and adjust your strategy.

As with most things, we take measured risks but we try to err on the side of safety.  

Why is that so unacceptable here?

Economy?  If we had taken a conservative, disciplined approach, school and bar reopening may not have been the hot topic it is today.  But here we are.  Arguing about counting and taking the bait when the president says our scientists have been wrong about some things, clearly not understanding the situation.

No its all Trumps fault he should have known exactly what to do 

I don't think it's all Trump's fault or even that anyone here is suggesting that it is.  But there do appear to be some folks here who are unwilling to accept that mistakes were made, that the government should have known better, and that there are many other Western countries who serve as a daily reminder of what could have been.  

I have seen certain members blame it on Trump. I agree he didnt help much but even the so called experts have been flopping back and forth on protocol. Its a bad situation to be in and im not going to pretend I know the answer. Being so far left to blame it all on Trump is just as bad as being so far right and not wanting to wear masks. To get to that extreme you arent even listening anymore youve chosen you stance.

ColbyLang

HeavyG said:

"Covid bounty". I have so many questions. 
How much is the "covid bounty"? $1.95? $50? $100? $250? More?
Also, who's paying the "covid bounty"? Do they pay in cash or gift cards?

A regularly diagnosed patient on Medicare with regular pneumonia would get the respective hospital $5,000 per diagnosis. That same patient diagnosed as “Covid probable” gains that hospital an additional $8,000. $13,000. Goes to $39,000 if they have to be on a vent. Not Covid confirmed, Covid provable. I may have misspoke about morgues and coroners. If y’all don’t think the numbers are being manipulated for financial gain, y’all are funny. Did pneumonia deaths and influenza deaths just disappear? Not saying it’s doctors doing it, more likely hospital execs. 

Lit

JohnInCarolina said:

Lit said:

Legume said:

pgprescott said:

JohnInCarolina said:

pgprescott said:

JohnInCarolina said:

By the way, you don’t calculate risk of death by taking the percentage of the *total population* who have died.  You need to use the number of people *infected* in the denominator.  

Telll me again just how many have been infected? Is it ten million more than the official count? Is it 100 million more than the official count? Is it an accurate count? I noticed that none of the usual suspects answers any of the questions posed with the exception of where Johns kids go to school, but rather they just call you stupid. Well done. 

Tell me again why anyone here should engage you in good faith?  You didn’t come in here to discuss the podcast - you dismissed it as drivel, without even listening to it!  You’re just in here throwing rocks, and the sad thing is you have no idea how much you’re embarrassing yourself in the process.

Good day, sir.

You once again don’t answer any tough questions because either the answers embarrass you or you realize they don’t fit your perspective. That’s all.

 I continue to be impressed by the certainty with which the experts have and continue to be catastrophically wrong though. equally impressed at the willingness for people to follow the advice of said experts without any simple critical thought. 

Good day to you also, Sir!!😂

I think the problem is that some people expect certainty from predictions.  If we had a pandemic every few years, I could see how we could maybe expect to be better at this.   But they’re very rare and this is a new to us virus, these are complex biological systems.  So, I don’t think it’s as much about being right vs wrong, it’s about risk management and not being too wrong in the wrong direction (eg bad outcomes).  It also means that you have to continuously assess and adjust your strategy.

As with most things, we take measured risks but we try to err on the side of safety.  

Why is that so unacceptable here?

Economy?  If we had taken a conservative, disciplined approach, school and bar reopening may not have been the hot topic it is today.  But here we are.  Arguing about counting and taking the bait when the president says our scientists have been wrong about some things, clearly not understanding the situation.

No its all Trumps fault he should have known exactly what to do 

I don't think it's all Trump's fault or even that anyone here is suggesting that it is.  But there do appear to be some folks here who are unwilling to accept that mistakes were made, that the government should have known better, and that there are many other Western countries who serve as a daily reminder of what could have been.  

Also those western countries dont have as many idiots as we have here that cant even wear a mask for a couple minutes while while in a store. 

JohnInCarolina

Lit said:

JohnInCarolina said:

Lit said:

Legume said:

pgprescott said:

JohnInCarolina said:

pgprescott said:

JohnInCarolina said:

By the way, you don’t calculate risk of death by taking the percentage of the *total population* who have died.  You need to use the number of people *infected* in the denominator.  

Telll me again just how many have been infected? Is it ten million more than the official count? Is it 100 million more than the official count? Is it an accurate count? I noticed that none of the usual suspects answers any of the questions posed with the exception of where Johns kids go to school, but rather they just call you stupid. Well done. 

Tell me again why anyone here should engage you in good faith?  You didn’t come in here to discuss the podcast - you dismissed it as drivel, without even listening to it!  You’re just in here throwing rocks, and the sad thing is you have no idea how much you’re embarrassing yourself in the process.

Good day, sir.

You once again don’t answer any tough questions because either the answers embarrass you or you realize they don’t fit your perspective. That’s all.

 I continue to be impressed by the certainty with which the experts have and continue to be catastrophically wrong though. equally impressed at the willingness for people to follow the advice of said experts without any simple critical thought. 

Good day to you also, Sir!!😂

I think the problem is that some people expect certainty from predictions.  If we had a pandemic every few years, I could see how we could maybe expect to be better at this.   But they’re very rare and this is a new to us virus, these are complex biological systems.  So, I don’t think it’s as much about being right vs wrong, it’s about risk management and not being too wrong in the wrong direction (eg bad outcomes).  It also means that you have to continuously assess and adjust your strategy.

As with most things, we take measured risks but we try to err on the side of safety.  

Why is that so unacceptable here?

Economy?  If we had taken a conservative, disciplined approach, school and bar reopening may not have been the hot topic it is today.  But here we are.  Arguing about counting and taking the bait when the president says our scientists have been wrong about some things, clearly not understanding the situation.

No its all Trumps fault he should have known exactly what to do 

I don't think it's all Trump's fault or even that anyone here is suggesting that it is.  But there do appear to be some folks here who are unwilling to accept that mistakes were made, that the government should have known better, and that there are many other Western countries who serve as a daily reminder of what could have been.  

I have seen certain members blame it on Trump. I agree he didnt help much but even the so called experts have been flopping back and forth on protocol. Its a bad situation to be in and im not going to pretend I know the answer. Being so far left to blame it all on Trump is just as bad as being so far right and not wanting to wear masks. To get to that extreme you arent even listening anymore youve chosen you stance.

Who here has said that it's all Trump's fault?

JohnInCarolina

Lit said:

JohnInCarolina said:

Lit said:

Legume said:

pgprescott said:

JohnInCarolina said:

pgprescott said:

JohnInCarolina said:

By the way, you don’t calculate risk of death by taking the percentage of the *total population* who have died.  You need to use the number of people *infected* in the denominator.  

Telll me again just how many have been infected? Is it ten million more than the official count? Is it 100 million more than the official count? Is it an accurate count? I noticed that none of the usual suspects answers any of the questions posed with the exception of where Johns kids go to school, but rather they just call you stupid. Well done. 

Tell me again why anyone here should engage you in good faith?  You didn’t come in here to discuss the podcast - you dismissed it as drivel, without even listening to it!  You’re just in here throwing rocks, and the sad thing is you have no idea how much you’re embarrassing yourself in the process.

Good day, sir.

You once again don’t answer any tough questions because either the answers embarrass you or you realize they don’t fit your perspective. That’s all.

 I continue to be impressed by the certainty with which the experts have and continue to be catastrophically wrong though. equally impressed at the willingness for people to follow the advice of said experts without any simple critical thought. 

Good day to you also, Sir!!😂

I think the problem is that some people expect certainty from predictions.  If we had a pandemic every few years, I could see how we could maybe expect to be better at this.   But they’re very rare and this is a new to us virus, these are complex biological systems.  So, I don’t think it’s as much about being right vs wrong, it’s about risk management and not being too wrong in the wrong direction (eg bad outcomes).  It also means that you have to continuously assess and adjust your strategy.

As with most things, we take measured risks but we try to err on the side of safety.  

Why is that so unacceptable here?

Economy?  If we had taken a conservative, disciplined approach, school and bar reopening may not have been the hot topic it is today.  But here we are.  Arguing about counting and taking the bait when the president says our scientists have been wrong about some things, clearly not understanding the situation.

No its all Trumps fault he should have known exactly what to do 

I don't think it's all Trump's fault or even that anyone here is suggesting that it is.  But there do appear to be some folks here who are unwilling to accept that mistakes were made, that the government should have known better, and that there are many other Western countries who serve as a daily reminder of what could have been.  

Also those western countries dont have as many idiots as we have here that cant even wear a mask for a couple minutes while while in a store. 

No argument there.

JohnInCarolina

ColbyLang said:

HeavyG said:

"Covid bounty". I have so many questions. 
How much is the "covid bounty"? $1.95? $50? $100? $250? More?
Also, who's paying the "covid bounty"? Do they pay in cash or gift cards?

A regularly diagnosed patient on Medicare with regular pneumonia would get the respective hospital $5,000 per diagnosis. That same patient diagnosed as “Covid probable” gains that hospital an additional $8,000. $13,000. Goes to $39,000 if they have to be on a vent. Not Covid confirmed, Covid provable. I may have misspoke about morgues and coroners. If y’all don’t think the numbers are being manipulated for financial gain, y’all are funny. Did pneumonia deaths and influenza deaths just disappear? Not saying it’s doctors doing it, more likely hospital execs. 

I am sure there are some people gaming the system.  I don't think there's any argument there.  But what I wrote is that I haven't seen any study that indicates this has affected the numbers in a statistically meaningful way.

Reading comprehension is hard, I know.  

Lit

JohnInCarolina said:

Lit said:

JohnInCarolina said:

Lit said:

Legume said:

pgprescott said:

JohnInCarolina said:

pgprescott said:

JohnInCarolina said:

By the way, you don’t calculate risk of death by taking the percentage of the *total population* who have died.  You need to use the number of people *infected* in the denominator.  

Telll me again just how many have been infected? Is it ten million more than the official count? Is it 100 million more than the official count? Is it an accurate count? I noticed that none of the usual suspects answers any of the questions posed with the exception of where Johns kids go to school, but rather they just call you stupid. Well done. 

Tell me again why anyone here should engage you in good faith?  You didn’t come in here to discuss the podcast - you dismissed it as drivel, without even listening to it!  You’re just in here throwing rocks, and the sad thing is you have no idea how much you’re embarrassing yourself in the process.

Good day, sir.

You once again don’t answer any tough questions because either the answers embarrass you or you realize they don’t fit your perspective. That’s all.

 I continue to be impressed by the certainty with which the experts have and continue to be catastrophically wrong though. equally impressed at the willingness for people to follow the advice of said experts without any simple critical thought. 

Good day to you also, Sir!!😂

I think the problem is that some people expect certainty from predictions.  If we had a pandemic every few years, I could see how we could maybe expect to be better at this.   But they’re very rare and this is a new to us virus, these are complex biological systems.  So, I don’t think it’s as much about being right vs wrong, it’s about risk management and not being too wrong in the wrong direction (eg bad outcomes).  It also means that you have to continuously assess and adjust your strategy.

As with most things, we take measured risks but we try to err on the side of safety.  

Why is that so unacceptable here?

Economy?  If we had taken a conservative, disciplined approach, school and bar reopening may not have been the hot topic it is today.  But here we are.  Arguing about counting and taking the bait when the president says our scientists have been wrong about some things, clearly not understanding the situation.

No its all Trumps fault he should have known exactly what to do 

I don't think it's all Trump's fault or even that anyone here is suggesting that it is.  But there do appear to be some folks here who are unwilling to accept that mistakes were made, that the government should have known better, and that there are many other Western countries who serve as a daily reminder of what could have been.  

I have seen certain members blame it on Trump. I agree he didnt help much but even the so called experts have been flopping back and forth on protocol. Its a bad situation to be in and im not going to pretend I know the answer. Being so far left to blame it all on Trump is just as bad as being so far right and not wanting to wear masks. To get to that extreme you arent even listening anymore youve chosen you stance.

Who here has said that it's all Trump's fault?

I was trying to avoid naming anyone I dont really feel like arguing. I wasnt referring to you though.

JohnInCarolina

Lit said:

JohnInCarolina said:

Lit said:

JohnInCarolina said:

Lit said:

Legume said:

pgprescott said:

JohnInCarolina said:

pgprescott said:

JohnInCarolina said:

By the way, you don’t calculate risk of death by taking the percentage of the *total population* who have died.  You need to use the number of people *infected* in the denominator.  

Telll me again just how many have been infected? Is it ten million more than the official count? Is it 100 million more than the official count? Is it an accurate count? I noticed that none of the usual suspects answers any of the questions posed with the exception of where Johns kids go to school, but rather they just call you stupid. Well done. 

Tell me again why anyone here should engage you in good faith?  You didn’t come in here to discuss the podcast - you dismissed it as drivel, without even listening to it!  You’re just in here throwing rocks, and the sad thing is you have no idea how much you’re embarrassing yourself in the process.

Good day, sir.

You once again don’t answer any tough questions because either the answers embarrass you or you realize they don’t fit your perspective. That’s all.

 I continue to be impressed by the certainty with which the experts have and continue to be catastrophically wrong though. equally impressed at the willingness for people to follow the advice of said experts without any simple critical thought. 

Good day to you also, Sir!!😂

I think the problem is that some people expect certainty from predictions.  If we had a pandemic every few years, I could see how we could maybe expect to be better at this.   But they’re very rare and this is a new to us virus, these are complex biological systems.  So, I don’t think it’s as much about being right vs wrong, it’s about risk management and not being too wrong in the wrong direction (eg bad outcomes).  It also means that you have to continuously assess and adjust your strategy.

As with most things, we take measured risks but we try to err on the side of safety.  

Why is that so unacceptable here?

Economy?  If we had taken a conservative, disciplined approach, school and bar reopening may not have been the hot topic it is today.  But here we are.  Arguing about counting and taking the bait when the president says our scientists have been wrong about some things, clearly not understanding the situation.

No its all Trumps fault he should have known exactly what to do 

I don't think it's all Trump's fault or even that anyone here is suggesting that it is.  But there do appear to be some folks here who are unwilling to accept that mistakes were made, that the government should have known better, and that there are many other Western countries who serve as a daily reminder of what could have been.  

I have seen certain members blame it on Trump. I agree he didnt help much but even the so called experts have been flopping back and forth on protocol. Its a bad situation to be in and im not going to pretend I know the answer. Being so far left to blame it all on Trump is just as bad as being so far right and not wanting to wear masks. To get to that extreme you arent even listening anymore youve chosen you stance.

Who here has said that it's all Trump's fault?

I was trying to avoid naming anyone I dont really feel like arguing. I wasnt referring to you though.

Personally I haven't seen anyone here say that it's all Trump's fault.  So I'm just going to call BS on this one.  If you have a link to a post that indicates otherwise, send it to me via DM, and I'll admit to being wrong without naming the person.  

HeavyG

ColbyLang said:

HeavyG said:

"Covid bounty". I have so many questions. 
How much is the "covid bounty"? $1.95? $50? $100? $250? More?
Also, who's paying the "covid bounty"? Do they pay in cash or gift cards?

A regularly diagnosed patient on Medicare with regular pneumonia would get the respective hospital $5,000 per diagnosis. That same patient diagnosed as “Covid probable” gains that hospital an additional $8,000. $13,000. Goes to $39,000 if they have to be on a vent. Not Covid confirmed, Covid provable. I may have misspoke about morgues and coroners. If y’all don’t think the numbers are being manipulated for financial gain, y’all are funny. Did pneumonia deaths and influenza deaths just disappear? Not saying it’s doctors doing it, more likely hospital execs. 

You clearly referred to coroners and morgues which is what I found funny.

HeavyG

Me and my wife have a $100 bet - she thinks MLB will finish their season as planned. I bet otherwise. One week in I'm thinking maybe I should see if she wants to go double or nothing.

This makes a fair point about schools/colleges...

https://twitter.com/chrislhayes/status/1287763218933395461

JohnInCarolina

@HeavyG - just saw that myself.  Definitely not a good sign.  

Eggdicted_Dawgfan

JohnInCarolina said:

Lit said:

JohnInCarolina said:

Lit said:

Legume said:

pgprescott said:

JohnInCarolina said:

pgprescott said:

JohnInCarolina said:

By the way, you don’t calculate risk of death by taking the percentage of the *total population* who have died.  You need to use the number of people *infected* in the denominator.  

Telll me again just how many have been infected? Is it ten million more than the official count? Is it 100 million more than the official count? Is it an accurate count? I noticed that none of the usual suspects answers any of the questions posed with the exception of where Johns kids go to school, but rather they just call you stupid. Well done. 

Tell me again why anyone here should engage you in good faith?  You didn’t come in here to discuss the podcast - you dismissed it as drivel, without even listening to it!  You’re just in here throwing rocks, and the sad thing is you have no idea how much you’re embarrassing yourself in the process.

Good day, sir.

You once again don’t answer any tough questions because either the answers embarrass you or you realize they don’t fit your perspective. That’s all.

 I continue to be impressed by the certainty with which the experts have and continue to be catastrophically wrong though. equally impressed at the willingness for people to follow the advice of said experts without any simple critical thought. 

Good day to you also, Sir!!😂

I think the problem is that some people expect certainty from predictions.  If we had a pandemic every few years, I could see how we could maybe expect to be better at this.   But they’re very rare and this is a new to us virus, these are complex biological systems.  So, I don’t think it’s as much about being right vs wrong, it’s about risk management and not being too wrong in the wrong direction (eg bad outcomes).  It also means that you have to continuously assess and adjust your strategy.

As with most things, we take measured risks but we try to err on the side of safety.  

Why is that so unacceptable here?

Economy?  If we had taken a conservative, disciplined approach, school and bar reopening may not have been the hot topic it is today.  But here we are.  Arguing about counting and taking the bait when the president says our scientists have been wrong about some things, clearly not understanding the situation.

No its all Trumps fault he should have known exactly what to do 

I don't think it's all Trump's fault or even that anyone here is suggesting that it is.  But there do appear to be some folks here who are unwilling to accept that mistakes were made, that the government should have known better, and that there are many other Western countries who serve as a daily reminder of what could have been.  

I have seen certain members blame it on Trump. I agree he didnt help much but even the so called experts have been flopping back and forth on protocol. Its a bad situation to be in and im not going to pretend I know the answer. Being so far left to blame it all on Trump is just as bad as being so far right and not wanting to wear masks. To get to that extreme you arent even listening anymore youve chosen you stance.

Who here has said that it's all Trump's fault?

I am not going to name any names, but here’s a hint- “My Beautiful Wife” 

JohnInCarolina

Eggdicted_Dawgfan said:

JohnInCarolina said:

Lit said:

JohnInCarolina said:

Lit said:

Legume said:

pgprescott said:

JohnInCarolina said:

pgprescott said:

JohnInCarolina said:

By the way, you don’t calculate risk of death by taking the percentage of the *total population* who have died.  You need to use the number of people *infected* in the denominator.  

Telll me again just how many have been infected? Is it ten million more than the official count? Is it 100 million more than the official count? Is it an accurate count? I noticed that none of the usual suspects answers any of the questions posed with the exception of where Johns kids go to school, but rather they just call you stupid. Well done. 

Tell me again why anyone here should engage you in good faith?  You didn’t come in here to discuss the podcast - you dismissed it as drivel, without even listening to it!  You’re just in here throwing rocks, and the sad thing is you have no idea how much you’re embarrassing yourself in the process.

Good day, sir.

You once again don’t answer any tough questions because either the answers embarrass you or you realize they don’t fit your perspective. That’s all.

 I continue to be impressed by the certainty with which the experts have and continue to be catastrophically wrong though. equally impressed at the willingness for people to follow the advice of said experts without any simple critical thought. 

Good day to you also, Sir!!😂

I think the problem is that some people expect certainty from predictions.  If we had a pandemic every few years, I could see how we could maybe expect to be better at this.   But they’re very rare and this is a new to us virus, these are complex biological systems.  So, I don’t think it’s as much about being right vs wrong, it’s about risk management and not being too wrong in the wrong direction (eg bad outcomes).  It also means that you have to continuously assess and adjust your strategy.

As with most things, we take measured risks but we try to err on the side of safety.  

Why is that so unacceptable here?

Economy?  If we had taken a conservative, disciplined approach, school and bar reopening may not have been the hot topic it is today.  But here we are.  Arguing about counting and taking the bait when the president says our scientists have been wrong about some things, clearly not understanding the situation.

No its all Trumps fault he should have known exactly what to do 

I don't think it's all Trump's fault or even that anyone here is suggesting that it is.  But there do appear to be some folks here who are unwilling to accept that mistakes were made, that the government should have known better, and that there are many other Western countries who serve as a daily reminder of what could have been.  

I have seen certain members blame it on Trump. I agree he didnt help much but even the so called experts have been flopping back and forth on protocol. Its a bad situation to be in and im not going to pretend I know the answer. Being so far left to blame it all on Trump is just as bad as being so far right and not wanting to wear masks. To get to that extreme you arent even listening anymore youve chosen you stance.

Who here has said that it's all Trump's fault?

I am not going to name any names, but here’s a hint- “My Beautiful Wife” 

Please DM me a link where that poster said that this was “all Trump’s fault.”’  I understand that’s how you may have read it, but I really don’t think that’s what he wrote.

pgprescott

Legume said:

Lit said:

Legume said:

pgprescott said:

JohnInCarolina said:

pgprescott said:

JohnInCarolina said:

By the way, you don’t calculate risk of death by taking the percentage of the *total population* who have died.  You need to use the number of people *infected* in the denominator.  

Telll me again just how many have been infected? Is it ten million more than the official count? Is it 100 million more than the official count? Is it an accurate count? I noticed that none of the usual suspects answers any of the questions posed with the exception of where Johns kids go to school, but rather they just call you stupid. Well done. 

Tell me again why anyone here should engage you in good faith?  You didn’t come in here to discuss the podcast - you dismissed it as drivel, without even listening to it!  You’re just in here throwing rocks, and the sad thing is you have no idea how much you’re embarrassing yourself in the process.

Good day, sir.

You once again don’t answer any tough questions because either the answers embarrass you or you realize they don’t fit your perspective. That’s all.

 I continue to be impressed by the certainty with which the experts have and continue to be catastrophically wrong though. equally impressed at the willingness for people to follow the advice of said experts without any simple critical thought. 

Good day to you also, Sir!!😂

I think the problem is that some people expect certainty from predictions.  If we had a pandemic every few years, I could see how we could maybe expect to be better at this.   But they’re very rare and this is a new to us virus, these are complex biological systems.  So, I don’t think it’s as much about being right vs wrong, it’s about risk management and not being too wrong in the wrong direction (eg bad outcomes).  It also means that you have to continuously assess and adjust your strategy.

As with most things, we take measured risks but we try to err on the side of safety.  

Why is that so unacceptable here?

Economy?  If we had taken a conservative, disciplined approach, school and bar reopening may not have been the hot topic it is today.  But here we are.  Arguing about counting and taking the bait when the president says our scientists have been wrong about some things, clearly not understanding the situation.

No its all Trumps fault he should have known exactly what to do 

Not at all @Lit.  There is an abundance of people running around saying that wearing masks and closing bars are infringing on their constitutional rights.

Fauci said wearing a mask is a waste of time and a false sense of security only to completely contradict that MONTHS later. 

One thing is for sure you can peacefully protest all you want. Hell you can even loot and riot and that doesn’t in any way contribute to the spikes. I know for a fact, because CNN said so. 😂 

pgprescott

Those rights are pesky things aren’t they. You can ask people to do certain things but you can’t actually make them. We are all for our rights when it’s convenient or when it affects us personally but like to Pooh Pooh them when inconvenient. 

Got yah!

pgprescott

You guys just can’t bring yourselves to admit the numbers are complete garbage and therefore much of not all of the work being done based upon the numbers is drastically flawed. Even though we have seen this repeatedly. 

JohnInCarolina

That initial peak, the one where folks with close to zero knowledge exhibit tons of confidence in their assertions, is also known as the “Peak of Mount Stupid.” 

caliking

ColbyLang said:

HeavyG said:

"Covid bounty". I have so many questions. 
How much is the "covid bounty"? $1.95? $50? $100? $250? More?
Also, who's paying the "covid bounty"? Do they pay in cash or gift cards?

A regularly diagnosed patient on Medicare with regular pneumonia would get the respective hospital $5,000 per diagnosis. That same patient diagnosed as “Covid probable” gains that hospital an additional $8,000. $13,000. Goes to $39,000 if they have to be on a vent. Not Covid confirmed, Covid provable. I may have misspoke about morgues and coroners. If y’all don’t think the numbers are being manipulated for financial gain, y’all are funny. Did pneumonia deaths and influenza deaths just disappear? Not saying it’s doctors doing it, more likely hospital execs. 

I think I remember seeing that meme a month or two ago. With those same exact numbers. 

Yes, hospitals are making money taking care of COVID patients. As are the doctors, nurses, respiratory therapists, EMS, etc. Its what they do when people fall seriously ill. I'm yet to meet any of those folks who are ecstatic about making extra money because of COVID. 

And pneumonia doesn't have just one cause. Many disorders/diseases can result in pneumonia. Like headaches - there isn't just one cause for headaches.

People with non-COVID medical problems  have been  staying away from ER's  and their primary doctors, so there has actually been in increase in non-COVID morbidity in areas.

And as far as 'flu deaths are concerned, yes they have decreased dramatically. Dropped like a rock. Because its a winter disease. And now... it's not winter.

caliking

pgprescott said:

Those rights are pesky things aren’t they. You can ask people to do certain things but you can’t actually make them. We are all for our rights when it’s convenient or when it affects us personally but like to Pooh Pooh them when inconvenient. 

Got yah!

I've read this 3-4 times. And still can't understand what point you're trying to make. In all fairness, you've probably thought the same about many posts in this thread. 

So yes, you got me!

Lit

JohnInCarolina said:

Eggdicted_Dawgfan said:

JohnInCarolina said:

Lit said:

JohnInCarolina said:

Lit said:

Legume said:

pgprescott said:

JohnInCarolina said:

pgprescott said:

JohnInCarolina said:

By the way, you don’t calculate risk of death by taking the percentage of the *total population* who have died.  You need to use the number of people *infected* in the denominator.  

Telll me again just how many have been infected? Is it ten million more than the official count? Is it 100 million more than the official count? Is it an accurate count? I noticed that none of the usual suspects answers any of the questions posed with the exception of where Johns kids go to school, but rather they just call you stupid. Well done. 

Tell me again why anyone here should engage you in good faith?  You didn’t come in here to discuss the podcast - you dismissed it as drivel, without even listening to it!  You’re just in here throwing rocks, and the sad thing is you have no idea how much you’re embarrassing yourself in the process.

Good day, sir.

You once again don’t answer any tough questions because either the answers embarrass you or you realize they don’t fit your perspective. That’s all.

 I continue to be impressed by the certainty with which the experts have and continue to be catastrophically wrong though. equally impressed at the willingness for people to follow the advice of said experts without any simple critical thought. 

Good day to you also, Sir!!😂

I think the problem is that some people expect certainty from predictions.  If we had a pandemic every few years, I could see how we could maybe expect to be better at this.   But they’re very rare and this is a new to us virus, these are complex biological systems.  So, I don’t think it’s as much about being right vs wrong, it’s about risk management and not being too wrong in the wrong direction (eg bad outcomes).  It also means that you have to continuously assess and adjust your strategy.

As with most things, we take measured risks but we try to err on the side of safety.  

Why is that so unacceptable here?

Economy?  If we had taken a conservative, disciplined approach, school and bar reopening may not have been the hot topic it is today.  But here we are.  Arguing about counting and taking the bait when the president says our scientists have been wrong about some things, clearly not understanding the situation.

No its all Trumps fault he should have known exactly what to do 

I don't think it's all Trump's fault or even that anyone here is suggesting that it is.  But there do appear to be some folks here who are unwilling to accept that mistakes were made, that the government should have known better, and that there are many other Western countries who serve as a daily reminder of what could have been.  

I have seen certain members blame it on Trump. I agree he didnt help much but even the so called experts have been flopping back and forth on protocol. Its a bad situation to be in and im not going to pretend I know the answer. Being so far left to blame it all on Trump is just as bad as being so far right and not wanting to wear masks. To get to that extreme you arent even listening anymore youve chosen you stance.

Who here has said that it's all Trump's fault?

I am not going to name any names, but here’s a hint- “My Beautiful Wife” 

Please DM me a link where that poster said that this was “all Trump’s fault.”’  I understand that’s how you may have read it, but I really don’t think that’s what he wrote.

I am pretty sure this is the same person I was thinking. 

nolaegghead

Pants are mandatory.   UNCONSTITUTIONAL!

JohnInCarolina

Lit said:

JohnInCarolina said:

Eggdicted_Dawgfan said:

JohnInCarolina said:

Lit said:

JohnInCarolina said:

Lit said:

Legume said:

pgprescott said:

JohnInCarolina said:

pgprescott said:

JohnInCarolina said:

By the way, you don’t calculate risk of death by taking the percentage of the *total population* who have died.  You need to use the number of people *infected* in the denominator.  

Telll me again just how many have been infected? Is it ten million more than the official count? Is it 100 million more than the official count? Is it an accurate count? I noticed that none of the usual suspects answers any of the questions posed with the exception of where Johns kids go to school, but rather they just call you stupid. Well done. 

Tell me again why anyone here should engage you in good faith?  You didn’t come in here to discuss the podcast - you dismissed it as drivel, without even listening to it!  You’re just in here throwing rocks, and the sad thing is you have no idea how much you’re embarrassing yourself in the process.

Good day, sir.

You once again don’t answer any tough questions because either the answers embarrass you or you realize they don’t fit your perspective. That’s all.

 I continue to be impressed by the certainty with which the experts have and continue to be catastrophically wrong though. equally impressed at the willingness for people to follow the advice of said experts without any simple critical thought. 

Good day to you also, Sir!!😂

I think the problem is that some people expect certainty from predictions.  If we had a pandemic every few years, I could see how we could maybe expect to be better at this.   But they’re very rare and this is a new to us virus, these are complex biological systems.  So, I don’t think it’s as much about being right vs wrong, it’s about risk management and not being too wrong in the wrong direction (eg bad outcomes).  It also means that you have to continuously assess and adjust your strategy.

As with most things, we take measured risks but we try to err on the side of safety.  

Why is that so unacceptable here?

Economy?  If we had taken a conservative, disciplined approach, school and bar reopening may not have been the hot topic it is today.  But here we are.  Arguing about counting and taking the bait when the president says our scientists have been wrong about some things, clearly not understanding the situation.

No its all Trumps fault he should have known exactly what to do 

I don't think it's all Trump's fault or even that anyone here is suggesting that it is.  But there do appear to be some folks here who are unwilling to accept that mistakes were made, that the government should have known better, and that there are many other Western countries who serve as a daily reminder of what could have been.  

I have seen certain members blame it on Trump. I agree he didnt help much but even the so called experts have been flopping back and forth on protocol. Its a bad situation to be in and im not going to pretend I know the answer. Being so far left to blame it all on Trump is just as bad as being so far right and not wanting to wear masks. To get to that extreme you arent even listening anymore youve chosen you stance.

Who here has said that it's all Trump's fault?

I am not going to name any names, but here’s a hint- “My Beautiful Wife” 

Please DM me a link where that poster said that this was “all Trump’s fault.”’  I understand that’s how you may have read it, but I really don’t think that’s what he wrote.

I am pretty sure this is the same person I was thinking. 

Right and that's surely why my inbox is filling up with links to his posts where he's said this.  Oh, wait a minute... not so much actually.  

nolaegghead

Pete's willful ignorance and disbelief in science is the kind of thinking that is part of the reason we have more Americans dead from this pandemic in 5 months than we have had Americans die in all wars combined since WWII.

JohnInCarolina

nolaegghead said:

Pete's willful ignorance and disbelief in science is the kind of thinking that is part of the reason we have more Americans dead from this pandemic in 5 months than we have had Americans die in all wars combined since WWII.

No no no, you see, it’s just that we’re counting lots of deaths as covid deaths even though they aren’t.  The actual number of covid deaths in the US is closer to 5.  Maybe 6.  Also, the sky is orange and the moon landing was a total hoax.

pgprescott

nolaegghead said:

Pete's willful ignorance and disbelief in science is the kind of thinking that is part of the reason we have more Americans dead from this pandemic in 5 months than we have had Americans die in all wars combined since WWII.

I thought it was guys like you that preach to all the others but routinely break the rules and put others at risk while wringing your hands. You sir are a documented case of someone not following the guidance. The funny part is that you are the one that brought this to our attention. Shop time. Working on cars with buddies. Cook outs with lots of people there. Fishing trips. Drunken mayhem with Evan at the shop with all the gang. All the while lecturing others about how they should behave. Oh, the shame you bear. It must be embarrassing.