If it wasn’t real for you yet

thetrim

frazzdaddy said:

thetrim said:

It's not a real National tragedy unless John set's up a post on the egghead forum to try and blame it on Trump. 

Didn't see anything like this when Barack f'ed up H1N1 named for Hillary and Michelle (swine flu).  Or when they got the four guys kilt off in Libya.  Benghazi?  Who?  Who cares, anyway?

Everything about our anemic response is on him. Give me anything he has gotten right in his entire response....

Some of his speeches alone spooked Wall Street and gave the Dow double digit percentage losses in a single day.  You should party for that.  Your boy Bill Maher (sp) has been begging (I would say praying, but...) for a recession as that is the alleged only hope for a corpse Biden win in November.....

C'mon tell us how happy you really are.

C'mon lay it how how happy you are when **** things are happening to America. 

Don't be a pu$$y, be proud of hating your country like Barack and Mike were...

Pile up the bodies....  As the body count grows, hopefully Trump's approval numbers will fall....

Legume

frazzdaddy

thetrim said:

frazzdaddy said:

thetrim said:

It's not a real National tragedy unless John set's up a post on the egghead forum to try and blame it on Trump. 

Didn't see anything like this when Barack f'ed up H1N1 named for Hillary and Michelle (swine flu).  Or when they got the four guys kilt off in Libya.  Benghazi?  Who?  Who cares, anyway?

Everything about our anemic response is on him. Give me anything he has gotten right in his entire response....

Getting people like you and John to root for American death, so you can try in your feeble minds to blame them on him.  How high do you want to body count to go?

frazzdaddy said:

frazzdaddy said:

Since I had no response to my last post I will consider there was no man to respond. I will rest my case with this.
https://www.wral.com/imaginary-clock-governors-reject-trumps-virus-timeline/19027298/

He did that and still is not giving the MDs what they need and are asking for. They are screaming for help and he is running a campaign. Hey skippy where's that ship he promised without asking anyone that matered what it's status was. 
He was briefed weeks ago and said it was nothing and would go away. Really dude I thought you might be smarter than this.

JohnInCarolina

Legume said:

Virus Tuesday is the new Friday.

HighHeat

How many dead so far?

JohnInCarolina

thetrim said:

frazzdaddy said:

thetrim said:

It's not a real National tragedy unless John set's up a post on the egghead forum to try and blame it on Trump. 

Didn't see anything like this when Barack f'ed up H1N1 named for Hillary and Michelle (swine flu).  Or when they got the four guys kilt off in Libya.  Benghazi?  Who?  Who cares, anyway?

Everything about our anemic response is on him. Give me anything he has gotten right in his entire response....

Getting people like you and John to root for American death, so you can try in your feeble minds to blame them on him.  How high do you want to body count to go?

FFS Steve, nobody wants to see anyone die from this.  

NCSmoky

JohnInCarolina said:

Legume said:

Virus Tuesday is the new Friday.

I have a feeling every day is going to be Friday for a while.

JohnInCarolina

HeavyG

NCSmoky said:

HeavyG said:

NCSmoky said:

At least Pelosi is sending forth a bill that clearly enumerates how much money is being pissed away to unrelated special interest groups.

Moscow Mitch prefers that we just give Trump a trillion dollar slush fund that he can then decide who gets money and then doesn't even have to tell the taxpayers where that money is going for at least six months (if ever).

FIFY

Any time ANY politician throws taxpayer money around it is intended for a "special interest group". That's how the sausage is made.

Certainly every one of the groups on Pelosi's list has staff and vendors and contractors to pay. Isn't the whole point of this gift stimulus package to stimulate the economy via ensuring spending continues?

Have you tracked down and highlighted any of the Republican special interest spending in the bill? Just curious.

Personally, I'd have fewer problems with  the "slush fund" approach as long as there was a real time publicly accessible website showing/naming EVERY applicant and what dollar amount they are requesting and the applicant providing very specific details on how they are planning to spend the money. They should also be required to provide an auditable trail so their spending can be matched/verified with their originally stated intents.

Phaqallyall

All this BS about "Pelosi's bill" is designed to take your eye off the ball.  Calling it "Pelosi's bill" is just a way to demonize it.  Don't fall for it.  It's out of committee, which is to say there has been a lot of people who have worked on it.

Anyway, here are the differences that should matter people:

Senate bill: $1200 per person
House bill: $1500 per person

In the House bill higher earners need to pay part of it back eventually.  No such provision on the Senate side.

Health care providers and community health centers would receive about $150 billion in the House bill, while hospitals would get an additional $80 billion in low-interest loans. The House bill is more in line with industry requests, compared to the $75 billion Senate Republicans have offered. The House bill would also waive treatment costs, abandon certain barriers to accessing medicines and provide safety protections for health workers.

The House bill gives the unemployed an extra $600 per week on top of state or federal benefits in order to replace 100 percent of lost wages. The measure would also extend paid sick leave benefits to cover individuals, such as health care workers and first responders, who were cut out of Congress’ second coronavirus response.  

The two stimulus drafts emerging from both chambers present markedly different stimulus tax plans, with House Democrats omitting the payroll tax suspension included in the Senate GOP bill. The Democratic plan would also expand health insurance premium tax credits under the Affordable Care Act and beef up the Earned Income Tax Credit, the Child Tax Credit and the Dependent Care Credit.

 

Gamecockeggman

thetrimfrazzdaddy said:

thetrim said:

It's not a real National tragedy unless John set's up a post on the egghead forum to try and blame it on Trump. 

Didn't see anything like this when Barack f'ed up H1N1 named for Hillary and Michelle (swine flu).  Or when they got the four guys kilt off in Libya.  Benghazi?  Who?  Who cares, anyway?

Everything about our anemic response is on him. Give me anything he has gotten right in his entire response....

Some of his speeches alone spooked Wall Street and gave the Dow double digit percentage losses in a single day.  You should party for that.  Your boy Bill Maher (sp) has been begging (I would say praying, but...) for a recession as that is the alleged only hope for a corpse Biden win in November.....

C'mon tell us how happy you really are.

C'mon lay it how how happy you are when **** things are happening to America. 

Don't be a pu$$y, be proud of hating your country like Barack and Mike were...

Pile up the bodies....  As the body count grows, hopefully Trump's approval numbers will fall....

With all due respect...  shut up!  I used to be pretty active on this forum but have been quiet for a good while.  I have respected and enjoyed some if not many of your post for the good that you have contributed not only here but in your community.  But in this case you need to get a grip.  Just as you have asked the many to support your good efforts for the good of society, support others who differ in view from yours.  I am a conservative but dam it’s hard to support this clown and all of his gross lies and deceit.    Don’t cut people apart for their perspective.  Rise above it.  We are all in this together until the day we let it tare us apart.  That will bring out the worst of who we are instead of the best.  A wise man will not waste time arguing those who oppose them... but will spend time and effort trying to convince them to see things their way and if not convinced respect them for their ideals.  Where do you fit in?

NCSmoky

HeavyG said:

NCSmoky said:

HeavyG said:

NCSmoky said:

At least Pelosi is sending forth a bill that clearly enumerates how much money is being pissed away to unrelated special interest groups.

Moscow Mitch prefers that we just give Trump a trillion dollar slush fund that he can then decide who gets money and then doesn't even have to tell the taxpayers where that money is going for at least six months (if ever).

FIFY

Any time ANY politician throws taxpayer money around it is intended for a "special interest group". That's how the sausage is made.

Certainly every one of the groups on Pelosi's list has staff and vendors and contractors to pay. Isn't the whole point of this gift stimulus package to stimulate the economy via ensuring spending continues?

Have you tracked down and highlighted any of the Republican special interest spending in the bill? Just curious.

Personally, I'd have fewer problems with  the "slush fund" approach as long as there was a real time publicly accessible website showing/naming EVERY applicant and what dollar amount they are requesting and the applicant providing very specific details on how they are planning to spend the money. They should also be required to provide an auditable trail so their spending can be matched/verified with their originally stated intents.

I have not seen the senate bill, but am sure it is loaded with crap also. The problem is that none of this is "stimulus" if 156 million people (currently) can't leave their houses. This is nothing more than propping up the house of cards. 

YukonRon

thetrim said:

frazzdaddy said:

thetrim said:

It's not a real National tragedy unless John set's up a post on the egghead forum to try and blame it on Trump. 

Didn't see anything like this when Barack f'ed up H1N1 named for Hillary and Michelle (swine flu).  Or when they got the four guys kilt off in Libya.  Benghazi?  Who?  Who cares, anyway?

Everything about our anemic response is on him. Give me anything he has gotten right in his entire response....

Maybe if you're really lucky, you can mind a mutation on the virus to start killing off kids.  I think the swine flu got about 2,000.  Maybe you'll get lucky and have Covid take down more than that.  There were probably at least that many killed in Planned Parenthood clinics around the country in the last few days.

LA county, one of the hardest hit areas of California in fatality numbers, added 3 more today; one was an 8 year old girl.

Covid 19, has now checked that box. 

It really was just a matter of time for it to happen in the USA, it has happened previously in other countries battling this pandemic. 

Stay safe, wash your hands and check on your parents, and the other elderly, we know it kills them.

HighHeat

Never let a crisis go to waste.

lousubcap

I am not gonna get into the current bill debate.  But every time I see our highest government elected official at the mike it turns into a weak lack of leadership show.
Reminds of a phrase that should be engaged now (too late for a redo), "When in charge, be in charge."  That requires responsibility and ownership.  Not gonna see it here and that will lead to an extended recovery and execution plan.  FWIW- "Go Cheeto, go!"

YukonRon

HighHeat said:

How many dead so far?

Globally, by continent, by region, by state or province or by county?

Currently of the completed cases, those which have been released from medical care, account for 85% survival rate, the dead make up 15% of the cases thus far, well over 15,000, as of today.

96% of the current cases are classified as mild, 4% are critical, basically no hope of survival. Estimates based on previous data suggests of the 96% that are classified as mild symptoms, 1/4 will go to critical, due to age and other Mortability factors.

Phaqallyall

The jokes write themselves.

JonWesson

2t in new real (M1) fiat money to people pockets, more to the deeper pockets than shallow, 4t in new funny (m5) money to the credit markets.  fed is out of bullets at zero rates and more funny money has to come.

where it come from, where it go, how it gets back, the m5 money,  no perpetual motion that we know.    gonna be many in hurt box.

Phaqallyall

“Usually we’ll have 50 governors that will call it the same time. I think we are doing very well. But it’s a two-way street. They have to treat us well, also. They can’t say, “Oh, gee, we should get this, we should get that.” We’re doing a great job. Like in New York where we’re building, as I said, four hospitals, four medical centers. We’re literally building hospitals and medical centers. And then I hear that there’s a problem with ventilators. Well we sent them ventilators. And they could have had 15,000 or 16,000 – all they had to do was order them two years ago. But they decided not to do it. They can’t blame us for that.” - your President Trump, today.

JohnInCarolina

JonWesson

more vents and hospitals not needed in ny if trump and congress both r and d act on what they know in jan.     but they do not so we here now.

caliking

thetrim said:

frazzdaddy said:

thetrim said:

It's not a real National tragedy unless John set's up a post on the egghead forum to try and blame it on Trump. 

Didn't see anything like this when Barack f'ed up H1N1 named for Hillary and Michelle (swine flu).  Or when they got the four guys kilt off in Libya.  Benghazi?  Who?  Who cares, anyway?

Everything about our anemic response is on him. Give me anything he has gotten right in his entire response....

Maybe if you're really lucky, you can mind a mutation on the virus to start killing off kids.  I think the swine flu got about 2,000.  Maybe you'll get lucky and have Covid take down more than that.  There were probably at least that many killed in Planned Parenthood clinics around the country in the last few days.

Uh... whut???

Trying to wrap my brain around this drivel, but its not happening. 

DMW

caliking said:

thetrim said:

frazzdaddy said:

thetrim said:

It's not a real National tragedy unless John set's up a post on the egghead forum to try and blame it on Trump. 

Didn't see anything like this when Barack f'ed up H1N1 named for Hillary and Michelle (swine flu).  Or when they got the four guys kilt off in Libya.  Benghazi?  Who?  Who cares, anyway?

Everything about our anemic response is on him. Give me anything he has gotten right in his entire response....

Maybe if you're really lucky, you can mind a mutation on the virus to start killing off kids.  I think the swine flu got about 2,000.  Maybe you'll get lucky and have Covid take down more than that.  There were probably at least that many killed in Planned Parenthood clinics around the country in the last few days.

Uh... whut???

Trying to wrap my brain around this drivel, but its not happening. 

This is the result of a heavy diet of Rush Limbaugh and Sean Hannity.

Foghorn

Since no one else will lay it out in clear terms, I guess I will.

@thetrim, there's a HUGE gap between being critical of some of the actions of our leaders and wanting people to die.  I've seen no evidence that anybody on this forum is wishing for people to die.

YukonRon

18,891 dead thus far. Another 339 people died in 7 hours.
48 people an hour. 
Come on Easter. It will all be over by then.
Mortality rate on closed cases is 15% and climbing

DMW

YukonRon said:

18,891 dead thus far. Another 339 people died in 7 hours.
48 people an hour. 
Come on Easter. It will all be over by then.

This is one of the better trackers I've seen.
https://bing.com/covid

YukonRon

Using this one:
https://www.worldometers.info/coronavirus/

JonWesson

those on deathbed ask for help nicely can be for sure.   but answer is no due to why.    those that could have did not prepare usa  to give help.

nolaegghead

JonWesson said:

those on deathbed ask for help nicely can be for sure.   but answer is no due to why.    those that could have did not prepare usa  to give help.

What fvckin language is this?  I don't understand it at all.

nolaegghead

Bad "yoda"?