If it wasn’t real for you yet

Gulfcoastguy

nolaegghead said:

JonWesson said:

those on deathbed ask for help nicely can be for sure.   but answer is no due to why.    those that could have did not prepare usa  to give help.

What fvckin language is this?  I don't understand it at all.

Tequila Tuesday?

HeavyG

This page has some interesting/worrying charts...

https://www.ft.com/coronavirus-latest

YukonRon

USA has now moved up, trailing only China and Italy, for populations infected with the Covid19.

A 20% jump in 24 hours. Largest increase of any country on earth during that time span.

Yep, cheeto has this under control.

JonWesson

google translate, sorry.  those dying ask nice to be saved, savers not able to say yes and give help, because those in charge in us government ignore problems from jan to march

nolaegghead

Ok, I can understand that and agree

DoubleEgger

Cases means nothing given that only a small subset is being tested. Local jurisdictions are abandoning mass testing for the most part. 

YukonRon

DoubleEgger said:

Cases means nothing given that only a small subset is being tested. Local jurisdictions are abandoning mass testing for the most part. 

Abandoned or not, we climbing the stat pole.

DoubleEgger

YukonRon said:

DoubleEgger said:

Cases means nothing given that only a small subset is being tested. Local jurisdictions are abandoning mass testing for the most part. 

Abandoned or not, we climbing the stat pole.

It’s a misleading indicator as to the severity of the pandemic. 

JohnInCarolina

DoubleEgger said:

Cases means nothing given that only a small subset is being tested. Local jurisdictions are abandoning mass testing for the most part. 

Unfortunately the only really useful statistic right now in terms of checking the way the pandemic is evolving in the US is the number of deaths.   When that stops doubling as quickly as it has been, it’ll be an indication that things are starting to slow down.  And if it doesn’t, well...

nolaegghead

JohnInCarolina said:

DoubleEgger said:

Cases means nothing given that only a small subset is being tested. Local jurisdictions are abandoning mass testing for the most part. 

Unfortunately the only really useful statistic right now in terms of checking the way the pandemic is evolving in the US is the number of deaths.   When that stops doubling as quickly as it has been, it’ll be an indication that things are starting to slow down.  And if it doesn’t, well...

Yes.  However, the mortality rate will increase dramatically as a percentage of infected as the health care capacity is saturated.   This has happened already in North Italy and we damn close in New Orleans and NYC.

The lackadaisical attitude people have because they have been gas lighted into not believing in science is going to be a topic of discussion of the survivors for decades.  Hopefully history will be a lesson learned rather than repeated out of ignorance.  I'm not that optimistic though.

nolaegghead

https://www.usatoday.com/story/news/nation/2020/03/24/covid-19-texas-official-suggests-elderly-willing-die-economy/2905990001/

2HB

Things will be different in another week. The biggest hope is that the virus will act regionally, and aid can shift with its spread. The problem that becomes everyone's concern is that the number of illnesses will surpass the ability of the healthcare system to respond, and that will bog down the entire system.



The doubling rate of infections in the US is outpacing anywhere else in the world. Part of this may be attributable to the fact that testing has been so far behind every other developed nation, and that these results just reflect the data catching up to the actual numbers. A doubling rate of every 3 days is what most other nations are struggling to improve on. Italy is still seeing an increase in the number of infections, but that infection rate is finally beginning to slow down. Singapore is an example of a country that is managing the infection rate well. The plot for the USA is skyrocketing toward a doubling of the infection rate of every 2 days.


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YukonRon

Samuel Clements once said "There are 3 kinds of lies; Lies, Dămned Lies and statistics.

The numbers I am following are cases that have been closed, either by a patient's death, or release due to no longer carrying the virus. That number is 85% surviving, 15% dead.

That number can, and will change, drastically the longer this virus is around.

But for my money, right now, that is a statistic I choose to watch more than cases reported and updated deaths.

Currently 96% of all the cases in progress are listed as moderate...with only 4% critical, or likely to die. Those numbers change over night and in fact, the CDC and the WHO as well as the NIH with a likelyhood of 25% of the moderate cases active currently to go ctitical....and 80% of those people dying due to underlying health issues, age and other factors such as blood type and whether they are male or female.

I dunno. I hope they are wrong. Real data or not, it is being tracked.

DoubleEgger

Cases in the US now means newly infected rich and connected people plus regular folks sick enough to need a vent.  

nolaegghead

https://www.nola.com/news/coronavirus/article_0a01ee00-6e29-11ea-9f1a-874949baed92.html

Battleborn

YukonRon said:

Samuel Clements once said "There are 3 kinds of lies; Lies, Dămned Lies and statistics.

The numbers I am following are cases that have been closed, either by a patient's death, or release due to no longer carrying the virus. That number is 85% surviving, 15% dead.

That number can, and will change, drastically the longer this virus is around.

But for my money, right now, that is a statistic I choose to watch more than cases reported and updated deaths.

Currently 96% of all the cases in progress are listed as moderate...with only 4% critical, or likely to die. Those numbers change over night and in fact, the CDC and the WHO as well as the NIH with a likelyhood of 25% of the moderate cases active currently to go ctitical....and 80% of those people dying due to underlying health issues, age and other factors such as blood type and whether they are male or female.

I dunno. I hope they are wrong. Real data or not, it is being tracked.

Still, the 15% mortality rate in those numbers are skewed. Nobody is getting tested. So far in the state of Nevada, the tests are going to those in close contact with other positive tests. It is nearly impossible for new tests to be done. A lady my wife works with began feeling sick around 10 days ago. She just got a test today. She was told her results would be in in 5-7 days. Luckily she self quarentined when she began feeling sick. No telling how many people she gave it to prior.

The state just got clearance to begin producing testing methods outside of the FDA. Hopefully more tests can be done. 

HeavyG

So the 2 TRILLION DOLLAR gift package was wrapped (no pun intended) just a few minutes ago. Final text of the bill not released yet. I'm sure everyone left the Capitol happy as a clam.

Eoin

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-us-canada-52012049

HeavyG

Eoin said:

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-us-canada-52012049

A good read. Thanks.

"that Pyongyang-on-the-Potomac style" cracked me up. Every time Pence speaks about Trump I can't help but picture North Korean newscaster Ri Chun Hee doing her thing.

Eoin

HeavyG said:

Eoin said:

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-us-canada-52012049

A good read. Thanks.

"that Pyongyang-on-the-Potomac style" cracked me up. Every time Pence speaks about Trump I can't help but picture North Korean newscaster Ri Chun Hee doing her thing.

Yes, a bit wordy but worth the effort.

Eoin

frazzdaddy said:

frazzdaddy said:

JohnInCarolina said:

frazzdaddy said:

Legume said:

I can’t wait for “no president has ever opened a country up faster than me”

If federal isn’t mandating closing anything outside of federal functions, how will it open anything?

Not sure the governors are listening much less care what he has to say.

They would appear to care about masks and ventilators right now.

Glad they do. Cheeto apparently does not.

To the disagree. I realize it may be hard but man up and join the disco, or not and prove me right. 

I'll just requote the call to man up for the benefit of the most recent anonymous flaggers.

JohnInCarolina

DoubleEgger

I’ve always been wary of the medical profession. This just fuels my fire. 

https://www.yahoo.com/news/states-doctors-stockpiling-trial-coronavirus-190038095.html

Legume

DoubleEgger said:

I’ve always been wary of the medical profession. This just fuels my fire. 

https://www.yahoo.com/news/states-doctors-stockpiling-trial-coronavirus-190038095.html

Bad apples in every industry and fear can bring out the worst.  It’s just a different flavor of mask hoarding.

YukonRon

Battleborn said:

YukonRon said:

Samuel Clements once said "There are 3 kinds of lies; Lies, Dămned Lies and statistics.

The numbers I am following are cases that have been closed, either by a patient's death, or release due to no longer carrying the virus. That number is 85% surviving, 15% dead.

That number can, and will change, drastically the longer this virus is around.

But for my money, right now, that is a statistic I choose to watch more than cases reported and updated deaths.

Currently 96% of all the cases in progress are listed as moderate...with only 4% critical, or likely to die. Those numbers change over night and in fact, the CDC and the WHO as well as the NIH with a likelyhood of 25% of the moderate cases active currently to go ctitical....and 80% of those people dying due to underlying health issues, age and other factors such as blood type and whether they are male or female.

I dunno. I hope they are wrong. Real data or not, it is being tracked.

Still, the 15% mortality rate in those numbers are skewed. Nobody is getting tested. So far in the state of Nevada, the tests are going to those in close contact with other positive tests. It is nearly impossible for new tests to be done. A lady my wife works with began feeling sick around 10 days ago. She just got a test today. She was told her results would be in in 5-7 days. Luckily she self quarantined when she began feeling sick. No telling how many people she gave it to prior.

The state just got clearance to begin producing testing methods outside of the FDA. Hopefully more tests can be done. 

I get your point. In my areas of responsibilities, I also do work for the healthcare industry, we help build things like antimicrobial coatings, sanitary cleaning chemicals, and other items nobody thinks about until these events occur.

We look at a couple of indicators: 

Active cases, the extent of the infected population and degree (mild vs. serious or critical)

Closed cases the actual number of recoveries vs deaths in a dynamic pandemic such as Corovid19.

Call the numbers skewed all you want but the current measured relationship of recovery versus death, is currently 85% vs. 15%.....globally. We are an international company. We have to take those numbers into account.

We understand the potential population infected is likely 3-4x more (a very conservative number) but that is an active situation. 

The numbers are real, as was stated initially, these are CLOSED case comparisons, ACTIVE cases are measured separately. As they recover, or die they are added to the closed cases.

These are global numbers thus far, and yes due to the lack of leadership and action taken, we are behind the curve in the USA, so these numbers will greatly impact the ACTIVE cases, and eventually the CLOSED cases as well.

These are numbers posted. There are ACTIVE cases ongoing, the numbers you have commented on are COMPLETED cases of those recovered vs those who passed. That number will be impacted hopefully with a more forward action plan.

These numbers are constantly changing, and the total dead from this virus will surpass 20,000 today, globally.

We are well past "what should have been done" ....we are now into only... "what can be done."

Not a great way to fight a virus of this magnitude.

YukonRon

DoubleEgger said:

I’ve always been wary of the medical profession. This just fuels my fire. 

https://www.yahoo.com/news/states-doctors-stockpiling-trial-coronavirus-190038095.html

This is so real. We have seen similar on our end, although much more muted.

nolaegghead

Eoin said:

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-us-canada-52012049

Good read, thanks

YukonRon

Eoin said:

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-us-canada-52012049

This was very much worth the time to read.

Thank you for posting.

caliking

DoubleEgger said:

I’ve always been wary of the medical profession. This just fuels my fire. 

https://www.yahoo.com/news/states-doctors-stockpiling-trial-coronavirus-190038095.html

somewhat surprising, given the lack of evidence that hydroxychloroquine is effective as treatment.

But I'd hold off on getting one's knickers in a bundle. How different is it from doctors writing antibiotics prescriptions for family or self? Folks can often see their doctor, or walk into almost any urgent care type of place,  and leave with a prescription for antibiotics . For the right or wrong reasons. And by the way, MD's aren't the only ones writing prescriptions - NPs and PA do to. 

I'd probably get some for myself if I knew it was effective. I can't really work from home, and risk exposure daily. Caliqueen stopped just short of saying she wants to burn my clothes when I get home every day. 

Just hoping that whatever measures are being taken will make a difference. 

saluki2007

YukonRon said:

Battleborn said:

YukonRon said:

Samuel Clements once said "There are 3 kinds of lies; Lies, Dămned Lies and statistics.

The numbers I am following are cases that have been closed, either by a patient's death, or release due to no longer carrying the virus. That number is 85% surviving, 15% dead.

That number can, and will change, drastically the longer this virus is around.

But for my money, right now, that is a statistic I choose to watch more than cases reported and updated deaths.

Currently 96% of all the cases in progress are listed as moderate...with only 4% critical, or likely to die. Those numbers change over night and in fact, the CDC and the WHO as well as the NIH with a likelyhood of 25% of the moderate cases active currently to go ctitical....and 80% of those people dying due to underlying health issues, age and other factors such as blood type and whether they are male or female.

I dunno. I hope they are wrong. Real data or not, it is being tracked.

Still, the 15% mortality rate in those numbers are skewed. Nobody is getting tested. So far in the state of Nevada, the tests are going to those in close contact with other positive tests. It is nearly impossible for new tests to be done. A lady my wife works with began feeling sick around 10 days ago. She just got a test today. She was told her results would be in in 5-7 days. Luckily she self quarantined when she began feeling sick. No telling how many people she gave it to prior.

The state just got clearance to begin producing testing methods outside of the FDA. Hopefully more tests can be done. 

I get your point. In my areas of responsibilities, I also do work for the healthcare industry, we help build things like antimicrobial coatings, sanitary cleaning chemicals, and other items nobody thinks about until these events occur.

We look at a couple of indicators: 

Active cases, the extent of the infected population and degree (mild vs. serious or critical)

Closed cases the actual number of recoveries vs deaths in a dynamic pandemic such as Corovid19.

Call the numbers skewed all you want but the current measured relationship of recovery versus death, is currently 85% vs. 15%.....globally. We are an international company. We have to take those numbers into account.

We understand the potential population infected is likely 3-4x more (a very conservative number) but that is an active situation. 

The numbers are real, as was stated initially, these are CLOSED case comparisons, ACTIVE cases are measured separately. As they recover, or die they are added to the closed cases.

These are global numbers thus far, and yes due to the lack of leadership and action taken, we are behind the curve in the USA, so these numbers will greatly impact the ACTIVE cases, and eventually the CLOSED cases as well.

These are numbers posted. There are ACTIVE cases ongoing, the numbers you have commented on are COMPLETED cases of those recovered vs those who passed. That number will be impacted hopefully with a more forward action plan.

These numbers are constantly changing, and the total dead from this virus will surpass 20,000 today, globally.

We are well past "what should have been done" ....we are now into only... "what can be done."

Not a great way to fight a virus of this magnitude.

So did your company start ramping up production in January to help meet the demand of China and Europe while also planning to have to meet the demand in the US?