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fishlessman

fishlessman said:

Ozzie_Isaac said:

Gulfcoastguy said:

Well we just had a person fall out with no pulse at the Chinese restaurant. Fortunately a woman from the hospital was there. She brought him around with just chest compressions. I was about to jump in with the breathing but I have either a cold or something similar. 

Last week someone in the same section needed the Heimlick maneuver. I told the waitress next time I need to be in another section, bad things come in threes.

Oh geez!  Glad they brought him back around. Last I heard recommendation was only chest compressions.  Are we back to both compressions and breath?

I think it's still no breath

Should add to this, with these new drugs, wait for a paramedic. You don't have the proper protective gear

Botch

fishlessman said:

Ozzie_Isaac said:

Gulfcoastguy said:

Well we just had a person fall out with no pulse at the Chinese restaurant. Fortunately a woman from the hospital was there. She brought him around with just chest compressions. I was about to jump in with the breathing but I have either a cold or something similar. 

Last week someone in the same section needed the Heimlick maneuver. I told the waitress next time I need to be in another section, bad things come in threes.

Oh geez!  Glad they brought him back around. Last I heard recommendation was only chest compressions.  Are we back to both compressions and breath?

I think it's still no breath

I've been taught Revival skills since gradeschool/Cub Scouts, and I'm in my 60's now.  It seems the Red Cross recommendations change every couple years.  First it was roll the victim onto their side (for drowning victims) and press their stomach, sweeping their mouth with your finger to clear their tongue, chest compressions, shove their forehead underneath their neck for breaths, then lift lightly on the neck for the breaths, then chest compressions to the rhythm of "Stayin' Alive" in the late '70s, then during AIDS just chest compressions with your foot (you can leave your shoe on, apologies to JC), then back to breath/compression with NO head tilt, then jogging a 10' circle tangential to the victim with a light foot implant on the chest during COVID, and I have no idea what it is now.  
@Gulfcoastguy, they may think you're the bad thing and be banned at the restaurant until the next person keels over!    (mebbe a tasteless attempt at humor based in serious situations, mea culpa)  

fishlessman

Botch said:

fishlessman said:

Ozzie_Isaac said:

Gulfcoastguy said:

Well we just had a person fall out with no pulse at the Chinese restaurant. Fortunately a woman from the hospital was there. She brought him around with just chest compressions. I was about to jump in with the breathing but I have either a cold or something similar. 

Last week someone in the same section needed the Heimlick maneuver. I told the waitress next time I need to be in another section, bad things come in threes.

Oh geez!  Glad they brought him back around. Last I heard recommendation was only chest compressions.  Are we back to both compressions and breath?

I think it's still no breath

I've been taught Revival skills since gradeschool/Cub Scouts, and I'm in my 60's now.  It seems the Red Cross recommendations change every couple years.  First it was roll the victim onto their side (for drowning victims) and press their stomach, sweeping their mouth with your finger to clear their tongue, chest compressions, shove their forehead underneath their neck for breaths, then lift lightly on the neck for the breaths, then chest compressions to the rhythm of "Stayin' Alive" in the late '70s, then during AIDS just chest compressions with your foot (you can leave your shoe on, apologies to JC), then back to breath/compression with NO head tilt, then jogging a 10' circle tangential to the victim with a light foot implant on the chest during COVID, and I have no idea what it is now.  
@Gulfcoastguy, they may think you're the bad thing and be banned at the restaurant until the next person keels over!    (mebbe a tasteless attempt at humor based in serious situations, mea culpa)  

The new problem is fentynol. You don't want to even touch the clothing.....the fire station/EMS is across the street from me, they don't want more victims at the scene. I guess you have to make the call if it happens.....

lousubcap

Chest compressions (no breaths) is the current recommended regimen and posted below:  You can make a difference-

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If you are not trained in full CPR, Hands-only CPR is CPR without rescue breaths which is simple to learn and easy to remember, especially outside medical settings. It increases the likelihood of surviving cardiac arrest, when the heart stops beating or beats too ineffectively to circulate blood to the brain and other vital organs. For a refresher any time, you can print this page and keep it with the rest of your first-aid supplies. Print this page

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CPR

Before Giving CPR

1

Check the scene and the person. Check to make sure the scene is safe, tap the person on the shoulder to see if they're OK, and look for signs of rhythmic, normal breathing.

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2

Call 911 for assistance. If there's no response from the victim when asked if he or she is OK, call 911, or ask a bystander to call for help.

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3

Begin compressions. If the person is unresponsive, perform hands-only CPR.

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How to Perform Hands-Only CPR

1

Ensure the person is on their back on a firm, flat surface

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2

Kneel beside the person

• Your knees should be near the person’s body and spread about shoulder width apart

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3

Use correct hand placement

• Place the heel of one hand in the center of their chest, with your other hand on top
• Interlace your fingers and make sure they are up off the chest

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4

Use correct body position

• Position your body so that your shoulders are directly over your hands
• Lock your elbows to keep your arms straight

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5

Give continuous compressions

• Push hard and fast (at least 2 inches; 100 to 120 compressions per minute)

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6

Allow chest to return to its normal position after each compression

lousubcap

Monday night Football and the ManningCast-game on!

Botch

fishlessman said:

Botch said:

fishlessman said:

Ozzie_Isaac said:

Gulfcoastguy said:

Well we just had a person fall out with no pulse at the Chinese restaurant. Fortunately a woman from the hospital was there. She brought him around with just chest compressions. I was about to jump in with the breathing but I have either a cold or something similar. 

Last week someone in the same section needed the Heimlick maneuver. I told the waitress next time I need to be in another section, bad things come in threes.

Oh geez!  Glad they brought him back around. Last I heard recommendation was only chest compressions.  Are we back to both compressions and breath?

I think it's still no breath

I've been taught Revival skills since gradeschool/Cub Scouts, and I'm in my 60's now.  It seems the Red Cross recommendations change every couple years.  First it was roll the victim onto their side (for drowning victims) and press their stomach, sweeping their mouth with your finger to clear their tongue, chest compressions, shove their forehead underneath their neck for breaths, then lift lightly on the neck for the breaths, then chest compressions to the rhythm of "Stayin' Alive" in the late '70s, then during AIDS just chest compressions with your foot (you can leave your shoe on, apologies to JC), then back to breath/compression with NO head tilt, then jogging a 10' circle tangential to the victim with a light foot implant on the chest during COVID, and I have no idea what it is now.  
@Gulfcoastguy, they may think you're the bad thing and be banned at the restaurant until the next person keels over!    (mebbe a tasteless attempt at humor based in serious situations, mea culpa)  

The new problem is fentynol. You don't want to even touch the clothing.....the fire station/EMS is across the street from me, they don't want more victims at the scene. I guess you have to make the call if it happens.....

True dat.  I see too many cops/EMTs here on the local news who succumb to that crap just thru a traffic stop...   

HeavyG

fishlessman said:

Botch said:

fishlessman said:

Ozzie_Isaac said:

Gulfcoastguy said:

Well we just had a person fall out with no pulse at the Chinese restaurant. Fortunately a woman from the hospital was there. She brought him around with just chest compressions. I was about to jump in with the breathing but I have either a cold or something similar. 

Last week someone in the same section needed the Heimlick maneuver. I told the waitress next time I need to be in another section, bad things come in threes.

Oh geez!  Glad they brought him back around. Last I heard recommendation was only chest compressions.  Are we back to both compressions and breath?

I think it's still no breath

I've been taught Revival skills since gradeschool/Cub Scouts, and I'm in my 60's now.  It seems the Red Cross recommendations change every couple years.  First it was roll the victim onto their side (for drowning victims) and press their stomach, sweeping their mouth with your finger to clear their tongue, chest compressions, shove their forehead underneath their neck for breaths, then lift lightly on the neck for the breaths, then chest compressions to the rhythm of "Stayin' Alive" in the late '70s, then during AIDS just chest compressions with your foot (you can leave your shoe on, apologies to JC), then back to breath/compression with NO head tilt, then jogging a 10' circle tangential to the victim with a light foot implant on the chest during COVID, and I have no idea what it is now.  
@Gulfcoastguy, they may think you're the bad thing and be banned at the restaurant until the next person keels over!    (mebbe a tasteless attempt at humor based in serious situations, mea culpa)  

The new problem is fentynol. You don't want to even touch the clothing.....the fire station/EMS is across the street from me, they don't want more victims at the scene. I guess you have to make the call if it happens.....

https://www.mcgill.ca/oss/article/medical-critical-thinking/you-wont-die-touching-fentanyl

fishlessman

HeavyG said:

fishlessman said:

Botch said:

fishlessman said:

Ozzie_Isaac said:

Gulfcoastguy said:

Well we just had a person fall out with no pulse at the Chinese restaurant. Fortunately a woman from the hospital was there. She brought him around with just chest compressions. I was about to jump in with the breathing but I have either a cold or something similar. 

Last week someone in the same section needed the Heimlick maneuver. I told the waitress next time I need to be in another section, bad things come in threes.

Oh geez!  Glad they brought him back around. Last I heard recommendation was only chest compressions.  Are we back to both compressions and breath?

I think it's still no breath

I've been taught Revival skills since gradeschool/Cub Scouts, and I'm in my 60's now.  It seems the Red Cross recommendations change every couple years.  First it was roll the victim onto their side (for drowning victims) and press their stomach, sweeping their mouth with your finger to clear their tongue, chest compressions, shove their forehead underneath their neck for breaths, then lift lightly on the neck for the breaths, then chest compressions to the rhythm of "Stayin' Alive" in the late '70s, then during AIDS just chest compressions with your foot (you can leave your shoe on, apologies to JC), then back to breath/compression with NO head tilt, then jogging a 10' circle tangential to the victim with a light foot implant on the chest during COVID, and I have no idea what it is now.  
@Gulfcoastguy, they may think you're the bad thing and be banned at the restaurant until the next person keels over!    (mebbe a tasteless attempt at humor based in serious situations, mea culpa)  

The new problem is fentynol. You don't want to even touch the clothing.....the fire station/EMS is across the street from me, they don't want more victims at the scene. I guess you have to make the call if it happens.....

https://www.mcgill.ca/oss/article/medical-critical-thinking/you-wont-die-touching-fentanyl

Good read. I work with these guys and they are petrified of it.

fishlessman

Botch said:

fishlessman said:

Botch said:

fishlessman said:

Ozzie_Isaac said:

Gulfcoastguy said:

Well we just had a person fall out with no pulse at the Chinese restaurant. Fortunately a woman from the hospital was there. She brought him around with just chest compressions. I was about to jump in with the breathing but I have either a cold or something similar. 

Last week someone in the same section needed the Heimlick maneuver. I told the waitress next time I need to be in another section, bad things come in threes.

Oh geez!  Glad they brought him back around. Last I heard recommendation was only chest compressions.  Are we back to both compressions and breath?

I think it's still no breath

I've been taught Revival skills since gradeschool/Cub Scouts, and I'm in my 60's now.  It seems the Red Cross recommendations change every couple years.  First it was roll the victim onto their side (for drowning victims) and press their stomach, sweeping their mouth with your finger to clear their tongue, chest compressions, shove their forehead underneath their neck for breaths, then lift lightly on the neck for the breaths, then chest compressions to the rhythm of "Stayin' Alive" in the late '70s, then during AIDS just chest compressions with your foot (you can leave your shoe on, apologies to JC), then back to breath/compression with NO head tilt, then jogging a 10' circle tangential to the victim with a light foot implant on the chest during COVID, and I have no idea what it is now.  
@Gulfcoastguy, they may think you're the bad thing and be banned at the restaurant until the next person keels over!    (mebbe a tasteless attempt at humor based in serious situations, mea culpa)  

The new problem is fentynol. You don't want to even touch the clothing.....the fire station/EMS is across the street from me, they don't want more victims at the scene. I guess you have to make the call if it happens.....

True dat.  I see too many cops/EMTs here on the local news who succumb to that crap just thru a traffic stop...   

They seem to have stopped the trafficking busts when COVID came about. Before COVID I would see vans pulled up to vehicles with guys in full suits, air respirators etc looking for drugs on the Maine turnpike. Was rare not to see it go down on a weekly basis. It's all stopped, now it's rare to even see a cruiser on the turnpike.

HeavyG

fishlessman said:

HeavyG said:

fishlessman said:

Botch said:

fishlessman said:

Ozzie_Isaac said:

Gulfcoastguy said:

Well we just had a person fall out with no pulse at the Chinese restaurant. Fortunately a woman from the hospital was there. She brought him around with just chest compressions. I was about to jump in with the breathing but I have either a cold or something similar. 

Last week someone in the same section needed the Heimlick maneuver. I told the waitress next time I need to be in another section, bad things come in threes.

Oh geez!  Glad they brought him back around. Last I heard recommendation was only chest compressions.  Are we back to both compressions and breath?

I think it's still no breath

I've been taught Revival skills since gradeschool/Cub Scouts, and I'm in my 60's now.  It seems the Red Cross recommendations change every couple years.  First it was roll the victim onto their side (for drowning victims) and press their stomach, sweeping their mouth with your finger to clear their tongue, chest compressions, shove their forehead underneath their neck for breaths, then lift lightly on the neck for the breaths, then chest compressions to the rhythm of "Stayin' Alive" in the late '70s, then during AIDS just chest compressions with your foot (you can leave your shoe on, apologies to JC), then back to breath/compression with NO head tilt, then jogging a 10' circle tangential to the victim with a light foot implant on the chest during COVID, and I have no idea what it is now.  
@Gulfcoastguy, they may think you're the bad thing and be banned at the restaurant until the next person keels over!    (mebbe a tasteless attempt at humor based in serious situations, mea culpa)  

The new problem is fentynol. You don't want to even touch the clothing.....the fire station/EMS is across the street from me, they don't want more victims at the scene. I guess you have to make the call if it happens.....

https://www.mcgill.ca/oss/article/medical-critical-thinking/you-wont-die-touching-fentanyl

Good read. I work with these guys and they are petrified of it.

Well, they shouldn't be scared. Cautious of course, as they should be out of concern for many other potentially far more likely biohazards.
Do them a favor and send them the link so they can read it and understand the mass hysteria that the news has caused over the last few years.

Or just send this bit:

"The belief that simply touching fentanyl will cause physical harm is very common among law enforcement officers. It is reinforced by media coverage, which often repeats this presumption with no pushback. Cops who survive their encounter with unknown white powders will tell journalists that “something as simple as the wind could expose you” or “I almost died.”

So, are there any reported cases of harm caused by touching fentanyl?

“No.” The man who gave me this unambiguous answer is Dr. Ryan Marino. He is a medical toxicologist and an associate professor at Case Western Reserve School of Medicine in Cleveland, Ohio. He is also one of a handful of experts frequently pushing back against opioid myths through the website WTFentanyl. His stance on this issue is backed up by the American College of Medical Toxicology (ACMT), which deems the risk to emergency responders as “extremely low,” and is echoed in the Journal of Emergency Medical Services, in which rescue specialist Simon Taxel reminds us that this position is unanimously agreed upon by physicians and toxicologists."

Battleborn

Had to compressions on a few weeks ago. She was probably already gone awhile before we got there, but it was good practice nonetheless (may sound callous). 

Ozzie_Isaac

Battleborn said:

Had to compressions on a few weeks ago. She was probably already gone awhile before we got there, but it was good practice nonetheless (may sound callous). 

Yikes.  I honestly  can’t even imagine this being part of the daily.

Gulfcoastguy

fishlessman said:

fishlessman said:

Ozzie_Isaac said:

Gulfcoastguy said:

Well we just had a person fall out with no pulse at the Chinese restaurant. Fortunately a woman from the hospital was there. She brought him around with just chest compressions. I was about to jump in with the breathing but I have either a cold or something similar. 

Last week someone in the same section needed the Heimlick maneuver. I told the waitress next time I need to be in another section, bad things come in threes.

Oh geez!  Glad they brought him back around. Last I heard recommendation was only chest compressions.  Are we back to both compressions and breath?

I think it's still no breath

Should add to this, with these new drugs, wait for a paramedic. You don't have the proper protective gear

He would have been brain damaged or dead if she had waited for the ambulance. As it is she just did chest compression, unlikely to get fentanyl doing that.

lousubcap

So, white powder is the current "Get out of Jail Free" or beat the speeding ticket card.  I could be easily persuaded.  The Pillsbury Dough Boy on a run!

CPFC1905

Glad it isn’t just me that thinks every first aid refresher has different advice. 

Never had to do compressions but a few shout at the person, give them a nudge or two and check airway. 

Usually it was drunks, add the odd fainter (my more than passing resemblance to Pierce Brosnan the likely cause I wager) 

From colleagues who have done the full thing, if the ribs ain’t cracking you’re not trying hard enough.  Cracked rib for a restarted heart seems fair.  

lousubcap

@CPFC1905 - quite early or very late on your side of the pond.  Totally correct regarding the ribs and either breaking or not trying.

Good friend was the recipient of the ribs/heart attack deal and given the ribs vs heart-was quite relieved the ribs were sacrificed. 

CPFC1905

lousubcap said:

@CPFC1905 - quite early or very late on your side of the pond.  Totally correct regarding the ribs and either breaking or not trying.

Good friend was the recipient of the ribs/heart attack deal and given the ribs vs heart-was quite relieved the ribs were sacrificed. 

In the departure lounge at Dubai.  

ColbyLang

Southern freeze 2024 check in:

current temp 22 
wind chill -2

no wintry mix, sleet or snow.

All schools and most major highways closed. Whole state basically closed lol

Foghorn

16 degrees this morning in San Antonio. 

DoubleEgger

MasterC

My brother has been stuck there since Sunday. Flights delayed, canceled just a mess.

alaskanassasin

I’ve never had to perform cpr but I did save someone with the heimlich. 

alaskanassasin

I wonder if they still teach that in schools.

ColbyLang

alaskanassasin said:

I wonder if they still teach that in schools.

Not generally. No one wants that liability 

DoubleEgger

ColbyLang said:

alaskanassasin said:

I wonder if they still teach that in schools.

Not generally. No one wants that liability 

They must teach people to grab their phone and start recording rather than trying to help. 

fishlessman

HeavyG said:

fishlessman said:

HeavyG said:

fishlessman said:

Botch said:

fishlessman said:

Ozzie_Isaac said:

Gulfcoastguy said:

Well we just had a person fall out with no pulse at the Chinese restaurant. Fortunately a woman from the hospital was there. She brought him around with just chest compressions. I was about to jump in with the breathing but I have either a cold or something similar. 

Last week someone in the same section needed the Heimlick maneuver. I told the waitress next time I need to be in another section, bad things come in threes.

Oh geez!  Glad they brought him back around. Last I heard recommendation was only chest compressions.  Are we back to both compressions and breath?

I think it's still no breath

I've been taught Revival skills since gradeschool/Cub Scouts, and I'm in my 60's now.  It seems the Red Cross recommendations change every couple years.  First it was roll the victim onto their side (for drowning victims) and press their stomach, sweeping their mouth with your finger to clear their tongue, chest compressions, shove their forehead underneath their neck for breaths, then lift lightly on the neck for the breaths, then chest compressions to the rhythm of "Stayin' Alive" in the late '70s, then during AIDS just chest compressions with your foot (you can leave your shoe on, apologies to JC), then back to breath/compression with NO head tilt, then jogging a 10' circle tangential to the victim with a light foot implant on the chest during COVID, and I have no idea what it is now.  
@Gulfcoastguy, they may think you're the bad thing and be banned at the restaurant until the next person keels over!    (mebbe a tasteless attempt at humor based in serious situations, mea culpa)  

The new problem is fentynol. You don't want to even touch the clothing.....the fire station/EMS is across the street from me, they don't want more victims at the scene. I guess you have to make the call if it happens.....

https://www.mcgill.ca/oss/article/medical-critical-thinking/you-wont-die-touching-fentanyl

Good read. I work with these guys and they are petrified of it.

Well, they shouldn't be scared. Cautious of course, as they should be out of concern for many other potentially far more likely biohazards.
Do them a favor and send them the link so they can read it and understand the mass hysteria that the news has caused over the last few years.

Or just send this bit:

"The belief that simply touching fentanyl will cause physical harm is very common among law enforcement officers. It is reinforced by media coverage, which often repeats this presumption with no pushback. Cops who survive their encounter with unknown white powders will tell journalists that “something as simple as the wind could expose you” or “I almost died.”

So, are there any reported cases of harm caused by touching fentanyl?

“No.” The man who gave me this unambiguous answer is Dr. Ryan Marino. He is a medical toxicologist and an associate professor at Case Western Reserve School of Medicine in Cleveland, Ohio. He is also one of a handful of experts frequently pushing back against opioid myths through the website WTFentanyl. His stance on this issue is backed up by the American College of Medical Toxicology (ACMT), which deems the risk to emergency responders as “extremely low,” and is echoed in the Journal of Emergency Medical Services, in which rescue specialist Simon Taxel reminds us that this position is unanimously agreed upon by physicians and toxicologists."

they got some problems on the force, you could call them the perjury forgery fraud squad.  there will be a movie about this town coming soon.............

Ozzie_Isaac

DoubleEgger said:

ColbyLang said:

alaskanassasin said:

I wonder if they still teach that in schools.

Not generally. No one wants that liability 

They must teach people to grab their phone and start recording rather than trying to help. 

Landscape!  Johnny, how many times must we tell you not to film in portrait!  Nobody wants to see a Walmart brawl in portrait!

Hook_emHornsfan_74

Foghorn said:

16 degrees this morning in San Antonio. 

was 9 degrees here in Midland on my way to work this morning and it is currently 14.

Ozzie_Isaac

Plumbers are probably heading to Texas now.  Unfortunately, in these Southern states, when we get really cold temps a lot of pipes burst.  We aren't built for this type of weather

shtgunal3

North Alabama