OT - What are you doing right now?

alaskanassasin

The instant I read the headline yesterday I knew they were fahked. there is no room for error in that kind of stuff.

GrateEggspectations

Lots of people get lost or trapped, but the usual limitation is the availability of a food source. In this scenario, you have five virtual strangers in extremely tight quarters knowing their oxygen supply is dwindling and that escape is increasingly unlikely. Can’t imagine what sort of thoughts and interactions that might provoke. 

lousubcap

The below linked article highlights a lot of the shortcuts taken in the manufacture of the submersible.

https://www.cbsnews.com/news/titanic-visiting-the-most-famous-shipwreck-in-the-world/?fbclid=IwAR3GNJAdMWizJ1HG5Jlv9FsUcl4fb94-qXQJTmpFBkKkahmqj3hNM6sMSvM 

You would think they designed a system to manually release external ballast to start and ascent at a minimum independent of any required power source.  Reads like backup systems were not in the plans. 

Ozzie_Isaac

GrateEggspectations said:

Lots of people get lost or trapped, but the usual limitation is the availability of a food source. In this scenario, you have five virtual strangers in extremely tight quarters knowing their oxygen supply is dwindling and that escape is increasingly unlikely. Can’t imagine what sort of thoughts and interactions that might provoke. 

If it is 96 hrs of air for 5 people, that means person 5 is equivalent to an extra 24 hrs for the remaining 4.

Person 4 is worth another 40 hrs for the remaining 3.

Person 3 is another 80hrs for the 2 left.

And the 2nd person is worth another 240 hrs for the last one.

So longest any single individual could live is 480hrs. (edit: fixed my math for last person)

GrateEggspectations

Ozzie_Isaac said:

GrateEggspectations said:

Lots of people get lost or trapped, but the usual limitation is the availability of a food source. In this scenario, you have five virtual strangers in extremely tight quarters knowing their oxygen supply is dwindling and that escape is increasingly unlikely. Can’t imagine what sort of thoughts and interactions that might provoke. 

If it is 96 hrs of air for 5 people, that means person 5 is equivalent to an extra 24 hrs for the remaining 4.

Person 4 is worth another 40 hrs for the remaining 3.

Person 3 is another 80hrs for the 2 left.

And the 2nd person is worth another 240 hrs for the last one.

So longest any single individual could live is 240hrs.

Exactly. To strangers, an extra 24 hrs could sound pretty good. 

Ozzie_Isaac

lousubcap said:

The below linked article highlights a lot of the shortcuts taken in the manufacture of the submersible.

https://www.cbsnews.com/news/titanic-visiting-the-most-famous-shipwreck-in-the-world/?fbclid=IwAR3GNJAdMWizJ1HG5Jlv9FsUcl4fb94-qXQJTmpFBkKkahmqj3hNM6sMSvM 

You would think they designed a system to manually release external ballast to start and ascent at a minimum independent of any required power source.  Reads like backup systems were not in the plans. 

Uhhh, okay, wow.  That is seriously a fly-by night operation that was courting disaster.  It is like nobody involved walked through the FMEA for this, let alone tried to implement mitigations.  Yikes.

GrateEggspectations

Ozzie_Isaac said:

lousubcap said:

The below linked article highlights a lot of the shortcuts taken in the manufacture of the submersible.

https://www.cbsnews.com/news/titanic-visiting-the-most-famous-shipwreck-in-the-world/?fbclid=IwAR3GNJAdMWizJ1HG5Jlv9FsUcl4fb94-qXQJTmpFBkKkahmqj3hNM6sMSvM 

You would think they designed a system to manually release external ballast to start and ascent at a minimum independent of any required power source.  Reads like backup systems were not in the plans. 

Uhhh, okay, wow.  That is seriously a fly-by night operation that was courting disaster.  It is like nobody involved walked through the FMEA for this, let alone tried to implement mitigations.  Yikes.

Lots of stories coming out, including past appraisals of the rig (which is reportedly controlled by a single button and a Logitech controller; not kidding) deeming it “jerry-rigged”. 

https://www.thestar.com/amp/news/canada/2023/06/20/video-game-controllers-and-a-single-button-what-its-like-on-board-the-missing-oceangate-sub.html

All I can say is that with this kind of clientele, the company better be braced for massive lawsuits. 

Legume

Local news has a doctor in as a guest to talk about this and she's saying things like "think about how long you can hold your breath". 🤦‍♂️

...and now she's describing blow by blow how you die from lack of oxygen followed by smiles and "of course we're wishing for the best here...coming up next, a waterskiing squirrel!

Legume

Just read the article - the CEO is one of the passengers.  That's a bunch of unregulated nonsense they've got going there.

Ozzie_Isaac

I suspect my locust transport barge has more regulation than this "submersible".  The descriptions of it make me think of the barrels people used to use to go over Niagara falls, with what appears to be similar success rates.

fishlessman

lousubcap said:

The below linked article highlights a lot of the shortcuts taken in the manufacture of the submersible.

https://www.cbsnews.com/news/titanic-visiting-the-most-famous-shipwreck-in-the-world/?fbclid=IwAR3GNJAdMWizJ1HG5Jlv9FsUcl4fb94-qXQJTmpFBkKkahmqj3hNM6sMSvM 

You would think they designed a system to manually release external ballast to start and ascent at a minimum independent of any required power source.  Reads like backup systems were not in the plans. 

Not plan A

lkapigian

Pretty sure I heard there was an automatic ballast release as well as a couple other automatic systems to surface it agates a period of time, which lead to speculation that it’s snagged or there was a breach , praying for their families and their recovery 

Ozzie_Isaac

https://www.reddit.com/r/Damnthatsinteresting/comments/14ebw7k/heres_footage_from_inside_the_titan_submarine/?utm_source=share&utm_medium=android_app&utm_name=androidcss&utm_term=1&utm_content=share_button

Botch

Ozzie_Isaac said:

GrateEggspectations said:

Lots of people get lost or trapped, but the usual limitation is the availability of a food source. In this scenario, you have five virtual strangers in extremely tight quarters knowing their oxygen supply is dwindling and that escape is increasingly unlikely. Can’t imagine what sort of thoughts and interactions that might provoke. 

If it is 96 hrs of air for 5 people, that means person 5 is equivalent to an extra 24 hrs for the remaining 4.

Person 4 is worth another 40 hrs for the remaining 3.

Person 3 is another 80hrs for the 2 left.

And the 2nd person is worth another 240 hrs for the last one.

So longest any single individual could live is 480hrs. (edit: fixed my math for last person)

Fan of  Lord of the Flies?  
 
I remember when those Scouts in SE Asia got caught in a cave during a downpour, (for what, a month?!?) but were rescued.  That story really creeped me out, being stuck in total darkness, with a crowd, and just waiting for food/oxygen to run out (I'm claustrophobic).  Ugh!  

kl8ton

Ozzie_Isaac said:

96 hrs of air.

2.5 miles down.

I suspect the AC isn't working either.  Not sure if that means they will be extremely hot or extremely cold.

This is a bad situation.

I don't think we can count on "Builders of Memory" to save this submersible. (James Cameron's name for the aliens in his 1989 seminal movie "The Abyss")

Love that movie

fishlessman

Ozzie_Isaac said:

GrateEggspectations said:

Lots of people get lost or trapped, but the usual limitation is the availability of a food source. In this scenario, you have five virtual strangers in extremely tight quarters knowing their oxygen supply is dwindling and that escape is increasingly unlikely. Can’t imagine what sort of thoughts and interactions that might provoke. 

If it is 96 hrs of air for 5 people, that means person 5 is equivalent to an extra 24 hrs for the remaining 4.

Person 4 is worth another 40 hrs for the remaining 3.

Person 3 is another 80hrs for the 2 left.

And the 2nd person is worth another 240 hrs for the last one.

So longest any single individual could live is 480hrs. (edit: fixed my math for last person)

2.5 miles down, wouldn't blame it at all

Ragingirishman2

The CEO was a licensed pilot. I would have expected him to have a higher degree of safety standards and redundancy in the systems. The video show a ridiculous level of safety for going to such an extreme depth. I feel sorry for the families of those aboard.

HeavyG

GrateEggspectations said:

Ozzie_Isaac said:

lousubcap said:

The below linked article highlights a lot of the shortcuts taken in the manufacture of the submersible.

https://www.cbsnews.com/news/titanic-visiting-the-most-famous-shipwreck-in-the-world/?fbclid=IwAR3GNJAdMWizJ1HG5Jlv9FsUcl4fb94-qXQJTmpFBkKkahmqj3hNM6sMSvM 

You would think they designed a system to manually release external ballast to start and ascent at a minimum independent of any required power source.  Reads like backup systems were not in the plans. 

Uhhh, okay, wow.  That is seriously a fly-by night operation that was courting disaster.  It is like nobody involved walked through the FMEA for this, let alone tried to implement mitigations.  Yikes.

Lots of stories coming out, including past appraisals of the rig (which is reportedly controlled by a single button and a Logitech controller; not kidding) deeming it “jerry-rigged”. 

https://www.thestar.com/amp/news/canada/2023/06/20/video-game-controllers-and-a-single-button-what-its-like-on-board-the-missing-oceangate-sub.html

All I can say is that with this kind of clientele, the company better be braced for massive lawsuits. 

I wouldn't read too much into use of a video game controller. The US Navy's latest Virginia class submarines use off the shelf Xbox controllers cuz they get the job done for a fraction of one percent of the cost of previous solutions. 

Ragingirishman2

HeavyG said:

GrateEggspectations said:

Ozzie_Isaac said:

lousubcap said:

The below linked article highlights a lot of the shortcuts taken in the manufacture of the submersible.

https://www.cbsnews.com/news/titanic-visiting-the-most-famous-shipwreck-in-the-world/?fbclid=IwAR3GNJAdMWizJ1HG5Jlv9FsUcl4fb94-qXQJTmpFBkKkahmqj3hNM6sMSvM 

You would think they designed a system to manually release external ballast to start and ascent at a minimum independent of any required power source.  Reads like backup systems were not in the plans. 

Uhhh, okay, wow.  That is seriously a fly-by night operation that was courting disaster.  It is like nobody involved walked through the FMEA for this, let alone tried to implement mitigations.  Yikes.

Lots of stories coming out, including past appraisals of the rig (which is reportedly controlled by a single button and a Logitech controller; not kidding) deeming it “jerry-rigged”. 

https://www.thestar.com/amp/news/canada/2023/06/20/video-game-controllers-and-a-single-button-what-its-like-on-board-the-missing-oceangate-sub.html

All I can say is that with this kind of clientele, the company better be braced for massive lawsuits. 

I wouldn't read too much into use of a video game controller. The US Navy's latest Virginia class submarines use off the shelf Xbox controllers cuz they get the job done for a fraction of one percent of the cost of previous solutions. 

The 19yr old kids driving those subs know how to use those controllers already. 

SGH

The Deep Energy spooling vessel went to assist in the search due to the depth its ROV’s can go. That’s the vessel that we are using to spool BHP SHENZI and SHELL RYDBERG subsea mainline in a few weeks. 

ColbyLang

Bet you they all signed the “You Might Die” waiver. 

Regardless. It sucks. Hull breach and they got crushed like a coke can. Praying for some sort of closure for all involved. 

ksmyrl

Where is Dirk Pitt when we need him? Not joking. Sad situation. 

Exploring the ocean depths has always been a dream of mine. To the point I should've been a marine biologist or a petroleum engineer. But...I pray for those 5 folks. 

GrateEggspectations

ColbyLang said:

Bet you they all signed the “You Might Die” waiver. 

Regardless. It sucks. Hull breach and they got crushed like a coke can. Praying for some sort of closure for all involved. 

The scenario you describe, for me, sounds better than sitting at the bottom of the ocean, panicking and waiting for the oxygen to run out. 

lousubcap

Yep- the near instantaneus collapse event is the best of outcomes given no chance of the surface.  However, the hull build out reads like the most survivable of the systems on the submersible. 

DuckDogDr

GrateEggspectations said:

Don’t know if anyone has already broached the subject here, but the unfolding OceanGate story is looking grim. Hopeful for the safety of the crew, but it is sounding like rescue is improbable. Can’t imagine what their families are going through. 

Not to put @lousubcap on the spot, but I’d bet he has good perspective. 

I wonder what the billionaires had on Epstein..I always knew they would go to great depths to cover things up……

Reality says a rescue is not going to happen… 
unfortunately those people are now probably fish food

TEXASBGE2018

SWMBO got a promotion at work and now I gotta figure out how to congratulate her. I'd say dinner and a movie but a steak dinner and Gone in 60 seconds seems more like a typical Saturday night than a congratulatory gift.

Ozzie_Isaac

lousubcap said:

Yep- the near instantaneus collapse event is the best of outcomes given no chance of the surface.  However, the hull build out reads like the most survivable of the systems on the submersible. 

 I am curious about the fatigue resistance of the structure.  What type of lifetime testing was done.

dbCooper

Chatted with a young man that wants to learn how to drive a stick shift, but he can't find a manual.

kl8ton

Hopefully getting away with the Mrs today for two nights.  Most kids are at camp.

GrateEggspectations

dbCooper said:

Chatted with a young man that wants to learn how to drive a stick shift, but he can't find a manual.

The single best piece of advice I ever received to learn how to drive stick - brake and let off the clutch until it engages without gas. Until you know where the clutch engages, it’s a lost cause.