Does anybody have a complete list of all the things that have been said to have "ruined the game" over the past 100 years? Gotta be at least a couple dozen things on that list.

pgprescott said:

Acn said:

Ozzie_Isaac said:

Battleborn said:

ColbyLang said:

Battleborn said:

Just watched the ALCS. Hopefully the brooms come out. 🧹🧹🧹

Ahhhh, you missed the Astro haters…it surfaced in a different thread lol

I guess so, people forget the Yankees were just as complicit in everything that was going. Their’s was just covered up. 

Yankees have always been the villians, and we expect that.

The Astros did not seem like villians, turned out they really were.  That is what makes it so bad.  Plus, their villainy had a direct impact on many other teams, especially the Dodgers.  I don't see my self forgiving the lying cheating scoundrels.  They should have vacated the WS win and barred them from playoffs for 5 years. 

They should make the Giants vacate the 1951 NL pennant and delete all video of Bobby Thompson’s home run for the same reason, right?

Houston got the heaviest penalty baseball could impose, and honestly baseball’s most vocal fans and spokespeople trying to uphold ‘purity’ and complaining about anything that has changed since the late 1950s is a huge reason America’s pastime is becoming a niche sport.  

As always, previous bad behavior never excuses current bad behavior. It doesn’t get any worse than what the Astros did. Direct offense on the integrity of the game and fair competition. Also caught red handed. Clearly they made a cost benefit analysis that told them it would be more harmful to their profits to do the right thing, so they did the wrong thing. I would guess any non biased baseball fan will hold them in the highest contempt in perpetuity. Disgusting. 

I’m not saying it does, but punishment for similar offenses should be similar, correct?   It’s almost as if the Astros used the Giants as an inspiration - use of visuals from CF, check; transmitted to somebody who could signal a batter, check; final person who makes the final signal to communicate the upcoming pitch, check.  So if the Astros should have vacated their title and be banned fro the playoffs for 5 years, the same punishment should apply, right?  Which now that I think about it would also make their 1954 title go bye-bye.

And don’t think of me as a biased fan…I would call myself an ex-fan, I gave up on seriously following baseball 15-20 years ago; mostly that was marriage and fatherhood and spending more free time and discretionary income on things that all 3 of use enjoy but a not insignificant factor were things like this...extremely similar offenses; one deserves a stronger penalty than MLB could legally impose and eternal condemnation of a franchise...the other hey - it was 70 years ago, gamesmanship, it was super cool when I learned about this when I was 9, etc, etc, etc.  Same goes with players, same with accepting new data that shows more effective ways of doing things.

JohnInCarolina said:

Battleborn said:

pgprescott said:

Acn said:

Ozzie_Isaac said:

Battleborn said:

ColbyLang said:

Battleborn said:

Just watched the ALCS. Hopefully the brooms come out. 🧹🧹🧹

Ahhhh, you missed the Astro haters…it surfaced in a different thread lol

I guess so, people forget the Yankees were just as complicit in everything that was going. Their’s was just covered up. 

Yankees have always been the villians, and we expect that.

The Astros did not seem like villians, turned out they really were.  That is what makes it so bad.  Plus, their villainy had a direct impact on many other teams, especially the Dodgers.  I don't see my self forgiving the lying cheating scoundrels.  They should have vacated the WS win and barred them from playoffs for 5 years. 

They should make the Giants vacate the 1951 NL pennant and delete all video of Bobby Thompson’s home run for the same reason, right?

Houston got the heaviest penalty baseball could impose, and honestly baseball’s most vocal fans and spokespeople trying to uphold ‘purity’ and complaining about anything that has changed since the late 1950s is a huge reason America’s pastime is becoming a niche sport.  

As always, previous bad behavior never excuses current bad behavior. It doesn’t get any worse than what the Astros did. Direct offense on the integrity of the game and fair competition. Also caught red handed. Clearly they made a cost benefit analysis that told them it would be more harmful to their profits to do the right thing, so they did the wrong thing. I would guess any non biased baseball fan will hold them in the highest contempt in perpetuity. Disgusting. 

That’s why I hate the White Sox. Shoeless Joe and his cronies ruined the game. 

I think this was meant to be sarcastic, but based on some of the subsequent remarks... I'm not really sure.  

I thought what the Astros did at the time was plenty bad.  But hate them forever?  Come on.  That just seems kind of silly to me.  Players, teams, and organizations change over time.  

Maybe, but that is certainly not true at the moment. That’s part of what makes sports fun is hating on the other teams. It’s especially gratifying when it is so justly deserved. Idk, give me another 10 years and maybe I’ll get over it. Btw, I have no dog in the fight or predetermined animosity towards the Stro’s. It’s as basic as it gets, rights right and wrongs wrong. 😁

I still hate the dodgers, that won’t change.

@Coltsfan and @lkapigian way to try and right the ship.  Ribs look great (as always) but it has been a while since the coke and peanuts have been served up here.  Thanks for the impetus to go again with that Atlanta based and Planter's fine quisine.  Off to buy Mexican Coke (the beverage).  

🧹. Go Stros!

JohnInCarolina said:

ColbyLang said:

🧹. Go Stros!

It’ll be cool when they are teammates in Houston next year. 

ColbyLang said:

The food trailer craze died on the vine here locally. Amazes me how many cities have them and how well they do. 

I think what’s really cool is how many are able to make the leap to brick and mortar from a successful concept and truck.

ColbyLang said:

The food trailer craze died on the vine here locally. Amazes me how many cities have them and how well they do. 

We have a bunch and they do quite well.  I’m not that surprised - there are a lot of bars and breweries who don’t want to do their own food, and the trucks make the rounds.  

Botch said:

While its great that so many food truck operators were able to expand to B-n-M and become successful, I'm afraid I'm sticking to the B-n-Ms; I've gotten food poisoning from, not one, not two, but three different food trucks.  Maybe the Health Inspector laws are more lax here in UT than elsewhere, I don't know.  

As inquired above, was there a standard food item across all and if not then any otherwise common denominator?  
Out and about after the covid shutdown, food trucks are a great way to enjoy many unique gastronomic experiences.  

JohnInCarolina said:

Botch said:

While its great that so many food truck operators were able to expand to B-n-M and become successful, I'm afraid I'm sticking to the B-n-Ms; I've gotten food poisoning from, not one, not two, but three different food trucks.  Maybe the Health Inspector laws are more lax here in UT than elsewhere, I don't know.  

Were they all taco trucks?

Actually, yes they were.  And I've gotten food poisoning from two B-n-M's, one a mexican place and one a Cajun (all my coworkers got sick there, too).  But, I've eaten at maybe tens-of-thousands of restaurants and lunch counters over the years, and only two is not too bad.  Three out of a few dozen trucks is a lot worse.  

Time for all those who live and die on the Red-Blue split to catch the ESPN2 segment with the Mannings and Barack Obama/