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  • JohnInCarolinaJohnInCarolina Posts: 21,115
    DMW said:
    Worth watching for sure, Dwayne.  Thanks for sharing that.
    "A generation of the unteachable is hanging upon us like a necklace of corpses." - George Orwell 

    "I've made a note never to piss you two off." - Stike

    Ruining the forum, one post at a time.  

    Living large in the 919
  • JohnInCarolinaJohnInCarolina Posts: 21,115
    YukonRon said:
    Trump could not put something like this together, even when our country needs it most.
    No no, you're wrong about that Ron.  Let's just take a look at how he's responding to Bush's message about unity, shall we?


    "A generation of the unteachable is hanging upon us like a necklace of corpses." - George Orwell 

    "I've made a note never to piss you two off." - Stike

    Ruining the forum, one post at a time.  

    Living large in the 919
  • YukonRonYukonRon Posts: 16,553
    YukonRon said:
    Trump could not put something like this together, even when our country needs it most.
    No no, you're wrong about that Ron.  Let's just take a look at how he's responding to Bush's message about unity, shall we?


    The bad part about this; he has not bottomed out yet.

    The only way to explain his behavior is insanity.
    "Knowledge is Good" - Emil Faber

    XL and MM
    Louisville, Kentucky
  • 1voyager1voyager Posts: 1,037
    YukonRon said:
    DMW said:
    What happened to the Republican party?

    Leadership. Faith. Direction. Compasion. 

    Gone.

    Anyone following the cheeto....this is what you need to stand up and demand. You will never get it, because you have bowed to a monarchy. 

    America depends on you. You put Trump in office.

    History will define you.


    The Republican party finally got some balls, that's what happened. 

    The Democrat party has been exposed as the true party of hate. Look no further than calling President Trump names, such as the one you mentioned. The blistering hatred for President Trump is repulsive.

    Where's the leadership, faith, direction and compassion in the democrat party? There is none. Leadership mode is attack and deflect. Faith as long as it isn't Christian. Direction? Seriously? Democrats have no direction. Compassion? Sure. Compassion for illegals at the expense of US citizens.

    I helped put President Trump in office and I'm proud of it.
    Large Egg, PGS A40 gasser and way too much Griswold cast iron cookware.

    Somewhere in Colorado.
  • JohnInCarolinaJohnInCarolina Posts: 21,115
    YukonRon said:
    YukonRon said:
    Trump could not put something like this together, even when our country needs it most.
    No no, you're wrong about that Ron.  Let's just take a look at how he's responding to Bush's message about unity, shall we?


    The bad part about this; he has not bottomed out yet.

    The only way to explain his behavior is insanity.
    I think it's just plain old narcissism.  Raw, unadulterated narcissism.  
    "A generation of the unteachable is hanging upon us like a necklace of corpses." - George Orwell 

    "I've made a note never to piss you two off." - Stike

    Ruining the forum, one post at a time.  

    Living large in the 919
  • thetrimthetrim Posts: 11,351
    He learned that from Barack
    =======================================
    XL 6/06, Mini 6/12, L 10/12, Mini #2 12/14 MiniMax 3/16 Large #2 11/20 Legacy from my FIL - RIP
    Tampa Bay, FL
    EIB 6 Oct 95
  • JohnInCarolinaJohnInCarolina Posts: 21,115
    1voyager said:
    YukonRon said:
    DMW said:
    What happened to the Republican party?

    Leadership. Faith. Direction. Compasion. 

    Gone.

    Anyone following the cheeto....this is what you need to stand up and demand. You will never get it, because you have bowed to a monarchy. 

    America depends on you. You put Trump in office.

    History will define you.


    The Republican party finally got some balls, that's what happened. 

    The Democrat party has been exposed as the true party of hate. Look no further than calling President Trump names, such as the one you mentioned. The blistering hatred for President Trump is repulsive.

    Where's the leadership, faith, direction and compassion in the democrat party? There is none. Leadership mode is attack and deflect. Faith as long as it isn't Christian. Direction? Seriously? Democrats have no direction. Compassion? Sure. Compassion for illegals at the expense of US citizens.

    I helped put President Trump in office and I'm proud of it.
    Somehow I don't doubt that you are.  Is this you, by the way?


    "A generation of the unteachable is hanging upon us like a necklace of corpses." - George Orwell 

    "I've made a note never to piss you two off." - Stike

    Ruining the forum, one post at a time.  

    Living large in the 919
  • JohnInCarolinaJohnInCarolina Posts: 21,115


    Hard to see that we're not going to be screwed by a rush to reopen in certain parts of the country.
    "A generation of the unteachable is hanging upon us like a necklace of corpses." - George Orwell 

    "I've made a note never to piss you two off." - Stike

    Ruining the forum, one post at a time.  

    Living large in the 919
  • 1voyager1voyager Posts: 1,037
    1voyager said:
    YukonRon said:
    DMW said:
    What happened to the Republican party?

    Leadership. Faith. Direction. Compasion. 

    Gone.

    Anyone following the cheeto....this is what you need to stand up and demand. You will never get it, because you have bowed to a monarchy. 

    America depends on you. You put Trump in office.

    History will define you.


    The Republican party finally got some balls, that's what happened. 

    The Democrat party has been exposed as the true party of hate. Look no further than calling President Trump names, such as the one you mentioned. The blistering hatred for President Trump is repulsive.

    Where's the leadership, faith, direction and compassion in the democrat party? There is none. Leadership mode is attack and deflect. Faith as long as it isn't Christian. Direction? Seriously? Democrats have no direction. Compassion? Sure. Compassion for illegals at the expense of US citizens.

    I helped put President Trump in office and I'm proud of it.
    Somehow I don't doubt that you are.  Is this you, by the way?



    Shirt - yes

    Flag - no way

    Nice attack, BTW.
    Large Egg, PGS A40 gasser and way too much Griswold cast iron cookware.

    Somewhere in Colorado.
  • StillH2OEggerStillH2OEgger Posts: 3,335
    JohnInCarolina said:
    No no, you're wrong about that Ron.  Let's just take a look at how he's responding to Bush's message about unity, shall we?
    This is nothing short of remarkable.
    Stillwater, MN
  • JohnInCarolinaJohnInCarolina Posts: 21,115
    JohnInCarolina said:
    No no, you're wrong about that Ron.  Let's just take a look at how he's responding to Bush's message about unity, shall we?
    This is nothing short of remarkable.
    In addition to being tone deaf, he's reminding the country that the last Republican President didn't voice opposition to his impeachment.  Gee... I wonder why.  
    "A generation of the unteachable is hanging upon us like a necklace of corpses." - George Orwell 

    "I've made a note never to piss you two off." - Stike

    Ruining the forum, one post at a time.  

    Living large in the 919
  • 1voyager1voyager Posts: 1,037
    1voyager said:
    1voyager said:
    YukonRon said:
    DMW said:
    What happened to the Republican party?

    Leadership. Faith. Direction. Compasion. 

    Gone.

    Anyone following the cheeto....this is what you need to stand up and demand. You will never get it, because you have bowed to a monarchy. 

    America depends on you. You put Trump in office.

    History will define you.


    The Republican party finally got some balls, that's what happened. 

    The Democrat party has been exposed as the true party of hate. Look no further than calling President Trump names, such as the one you mentioned. The blistering hatred for President Trump is repulsive.

    Where's the leadership, faith, direction and compassion in the democrat party? There is none. Leadership mode is attack and deflect. Faith as long as it isn't Christian. Direction? Seriously? Democrats have no direction. Compassion? Sure. Compassion for illegals at the expense of US citizens.

    I helped put President Trump in office and I'm proud of it.
    Somehow I don't doubt that you are.  Is this you, by the way?



    Shirt - yes

    Flag - no way

    Nice attack, BTW.
    Whenever I see people attacking immigrants, I tend to push back hard.  I'm patriotic like that.  
    I'm all for legal immigration. I push back on illegals flooding across the border. I'm patriotic like that.
    Large Egg, PGS A40 gasser and way too much Griswold cast iron cookware.

    Somewhere in Colorado.
  • JohnInCarolinaJohnInCarolina Posts: 21,115
    1voyager said:
    1voyager said:
    1voyager said:
    YukonRon said:
    DMW said:
    What happened to the Republican party?

    Leadership. Faith. Direction. Compasion. 

    Gone.

    Anyone following the cheeto....this is what you need to stand up and demand. You will never get it, because you have bowed to a monarchy. 

    America depends on you. You put Trump in office.

    History will define you.


    The Republican party finally got some balls, that's what happened. 

    The Democrat party has been exposed as the true party of hate. Look no further than calling President Trump names, such as the one you mentioned. The blistering hatred for President Trump is repulsive.

    Where's the leadership, faith, direction and compassion in the democrat party? There is none. Leadership mode is attack and deflect. Faith as long as it isn't Christian. Direction? Seriously? Democrats have no direction. Compassion? Sure. Compassion for illegals at the expense of US citizens.

    I helped put President Trump in office and I'm proud of it.
    Somehow I don't doubt that you are.  Is this you, by the way?



    Shirt - yes

    Flag - no way

    Nice attack, BTW.
    Whenever I see people attacking immigrants, I tend to push back hard.  I'm patriotic like that.  
    I'm all for legal immigration. I push back on illegals flooding across the border. I'm patriotic like that.
    Human beings aren’t illegal.  Start there, and maybe try growing a soul.
    "A generation of the unteachable is hanging upon us like a necklace of corpses." - George Orwell 

    "I've made a note never to piss you two off." - Stike

    Ruining the forum, one post at a time.  

    Living large in the 919
  • JohnInCarolinaJohnInCarolina Posts: 21,115
    NCSmoky said:
    1voyager said:

    I'm all for legal immigration. I push back on illegals flooding across the border. I'm patriotic like that.
    Human beings aren’t illegal.  Start there, and maybe try growing a soul.
    The humans aren't illegal but their actions (illegal entry to foreign country) are. We have laws and if I'm expected to follow them and am punished for violating then I expect others to be held accountable as well. I guess my soul is underdeveloped.
    I am guessing you’ve not met very many of them.  And yes, do some work on your compassion for other people who are far less fortunate than you are, thanks.
    "A generation of the unteachable is hanging upon us like a necklace of corpses." - George Orwell 

    "I've made a note never to piss you two off." - Stike

    Ruining the forum, one post at a time.  

    Living large in the 919
  • NCSmokyNCSmoky Posts: 515
    NCSmoky said:
    1voyager said:

    I'm all for legal immigration. I push back on illegals flooding across the border. I'm patriotic like that.
    Human beings aren’t illegal.  Start there, and maybe try growing a soul.
    The humans aren't illegal but their actions (illegal entry to foreign country) are. We have laws and if I'm expected to follow them and am punished for violating then I expect others to be held accountable as well. I guess my soul is underdeveloped.
    I am guessing you’ve not met very many of them.  And yes, do some work on your compassion for other people who are far less fortunate than you are, thanks.
    Laws aren’t based on emotion, they are what they are and you are compliant or not. I’m sure there are many good people breaking our laws by coming here but that doesn’t change the definition of their actions.
  • JohnInCarolinaJohnInCarolina Posts: 21,115
    NCSmoky said:
    NCSmoky said:
    1voyager said:

    I'm all for legal immigration. I push back on illegals flooding across the border. I'm patriotic like that.
    Human beings aren’t illegal.  Start there, and maybe try growing a soul.
    The humans aren't illegal but their actions (illegal entry to foreign country) are. We have laws and if I'm expected to follow them and am punished for violating then I expect others to be held accountable as well. I guess my soul is underdeveloped.
    I am guessing you’ve not met very many of them.  And yes, do some work on your compassion for other people who are far less fortunate than you are, thanks.
    Laws aren’t based on emotion, they are what they are and you are compliant or not. I’m sure there are many good people breaking our laws by coming here but that doesn’t change the definition of their actions.
    So they’re criminals, in your view?
    "A generation of the unteachable is hanging upon us like a necklace of corpses." - George Orwell 

    "I've made a note never to piss you two off." - Stike

    Ruining the forum, one post at a time.  

    Living large in the 919
  • NCSmokyNCSmoky Posts: 515
    NCSmoky said:
    NCSmoky said:
    1voyager said:

    I'm all for legal immigration. I push back on illegals flooding across the border. I'm patriotic like that.
    Human beings aren’t illegal.  Start there, and maybe try growing a soul.
    The humans aren't illegal but their actions (illegal entry to foreign country) are. We have laws and if I'm expected to follow them and am punished for violating then I expect others to be held accountable as well. I guess my soul is underdeveloped.
    I am guessing you’ve not met very many of them.  And yes, do some work on your compassion for other people who are far less fortunate than you are, thanks.
    Laws aren’t based on emotion, they are what they are and you are compliant or not. I’m sure there are many good people breaking our laws by coming here but that doesn’t change the definition of their actions.
    So they’re criminals, in your view?
    Their actions are criminal as defined by US law. 
  • JohnInCarolinaJohnInCarolina Posts: 21,115
    NCSmoky said:
    NCSmoky said:
    NCSmoky said:
    1voyager said:

    I'm all for legal immigration. I push back on illegals flooding across the border. I'm patriotic like that.
    Human beings aren’t illegal.  Start there, and maybe try growing a soul.
    The humans aren't illegal but their actions (illegal entry to foreign country) are. We have laws and if I'm expected to follow them and am punished for violating then I expect others to be held accountable as well. I guess my soul is underdeveloped.
    I am guessing you’ve not met very many of them.  And yes, do some work on your compassion for other people who are far less fortunate than you are, thanks.
    Laws aren’t based on emotion, they are what they are and you are compliant or not. I’m sure there are many good people breaking our laws by coming here but that doesn’t change the definition of their actions.
    So they’re criminals, in your view?
    Their actions are criminal as defined by US law. 

    What actions?  Living in the US without documentation? 
    "A generation of the unteachable is hanging upon us like a necklace of corpses." - George Orwell 

    "I've made a note never to piss you two off." - Stike

    Ruining the forum, one post at a time.  

    Living large in the 919
  • NCSmokyNCSmoky Posts: 515
    NCSmoky said:
    NCSmoky said:
    NCSmoky said:
    1voyager said:

    I'm all for legal immigration. I push back on illegals flooding across the border. I'm patriotic like that.
    Human beings aren’t illegal.  Start there, and maybe try growing a soul.
    The humans aren't illegal but their actions (illegal entry to foreign country) are. We have laws and if I'm expected to follow them and am punished for violating then I expect others to be held accountable as well. I guess my soul is underdeveloped.
    I am guessing you’ve not met very many of them.  And yes, do some work on your compassion for other people who are far less fortunate than you are, thanks.
    Laws aren’t based on emotion, they are what they are and you are compliant or not. I’m sure there are many good people breaking our laws by coming here but that doesn’t change the definition of their actions.
    So they’re criminals, in your view?
    Their actions are criminal as defined by US law. 

    What actions?  Living in the US without documentation? 
    Entry into the US without going through proper visa process. If they entered with proper visa but did not leave when the visa expired without renewal then that is also a violation of us criminal code. As much as you are emotionally vested in these people you will never prove that they are not in violation of US law. That is the only issue I am addressing 
  • JohnInCarolinaJohnInCarolina Posts: 21,115
    NCSmoky said:
    NCSmoky said:
    NCSmoky said:
    NCSmoky said:
    1voyager said:

    I'm all for legal immigration. I push back on illegals flooding across the border. I'm patriotic like that.
    Human beings aren’t illegal.  Start there, and maybe try growing a soul.
    The humans aren't illegal but their actions (illegal entry to foreign country) are. We have laws and if I'm expected to follow them and am punished for violating then I expect others to be held accountable as well. I guess my soul is underdeveloped.
    I am guessing you’ve not met very many of them.  And yes, do some work on your compassion for other people who are far less fortunate than you are, thanks.
    Laws aren’t based on emotion, they are what they are and you are compliant or not. I’m sure there are many good people breaking our laws by coming here but that doesn’t change the definition of their actions.
    So they’re criminals, in your view?
    Their actions are criminal as defined by US law. 

    What actions?  Living in the US without documentation? 
    Entry into the US without going through proper visa process. If they entered with proper visa but did not leave when the visa expired without renewal then that is also a violation of us criminal code. As much as you are emotionally vested in these people you will never prove that they are not in violation of US law. That is the only issue I am addressing 
    You do understand that there are civil violations of the law and criminal violations of the law, and that they are handled differently, right?
    "A generation of the unteachable is hanging upon us like a necklace of corpses." - George Orwell 

    "I've made a note never to piss you two off." - Stike

    Ruining the forum, one post at a time.  

    Living large in the 919
  • JohnInCarolinaJohnInCarolina Posts: 21,115

    His memory of who?  Zoe Baird?


    "A generation of the unteachable is hanging upon us like a necklace of corpses." - George Orwell 

    "I've made a note never to piss you two off." - Stike

    Ruining the forum, one post at a time.  

    Living large in the 919
  • LegumeLegume Posts: 11,750
    I propose public intercourse.

    The IRL barrier has been thin here for many with eggfests, blasts and camps and that always seems to go a long way to forming friendships, but the forum format always seems to push people to have dug-in positions.  The Friday night zooms seem like they’ve been good for breaking down barriers too.

    I think a debate or two on zoom would be great.  Lots of different opinions and perspectives here and *hopefully* F2F means a little more civility and more open mindedness and sharing of ideas.

    Create a few basic rules for behavior and format, we could nominate and select topics in a thread.  We would need someone to moderate (with the mute button).
    I do not have any broken or spare parts for any size egg.
  • HeavyGHeavyG Posts: 7,956
    Oh snap!!
    “Reality is that which, when you stop believing in it, doesn't go away.” ― Philip K. Dik

    Camped out in the (757/948/804)




  • NCSmokyNCSmoky Posts: 515
    NCSmoky said:
    NCSmoky said:
    NCSmoky said:
    NCSmoky said:
    1voyager said:

    I'm all for legal immigration. I push back on illegals flooding across the border. I'm patriotic like that.
    Human beings aren’t illegal.  Start there, and maybe try growing a soul.
    The humans aren't illegal but their actions (illegal entry to foreign country) are. We have laws and if I'm expected to follow them and am punished for violating then I expect others to be held accountable as well. I guess my soul is underdeveloped.
    I am guessing you’ve not met very many of them.  And yes, do some work on your compassion for other people who are far less fortunate than you are, thanks.
    Laws aren’t based on emotion, they are what they are and you are compliant or not. I’m sure there are many good people breaking our laws by coming here but that doesn’t change the definition of their actions.
    So they’re criminals, in your view?
    Their actions are criminal as defined by US law. 

    What actions?  Living in the US without documentation? 
    Entry into the US without going through proper visa process. If they entered with proper visa but did not leave when the visa expired without renewal then that is also a violation of us criminal code. As much as you are emotionally vested in these people you will never prove that they are not in violation of US law. That is the only issue I am addressing 
    You do understand that there are civil violations of the law and criminal violations of the law, and that they are handled differently, right?

  • JohnInCarolinaJohnInCarolina Posts: 21,115
    Legume said:
    I propose public intercourse.

    The IRL barrier has been thin here for many with eggfests, blasts and camps and that always seems to go a long way to forming friendships, but the forum format always seems to push people to have dug-in positions.  The Friday night zooms seem like they’ve been good for breaking down barriers too.

    I think a debate or two on zoom would be great.  Lots of different opinions and perspectives here and *hopefully* F2F means a little more civility and more open mindedness and sharing of ideas.

    Create a few basic rules for behavior and format, we could nominate and select topics in a thread.  We would need someone to moderate (with the mute button).
    It's funny because politics are generally off-limits as an unwritten rule at the various fests and get-togethers, and they've been called off-limits in the Zoom sessions as well (not by me, although I did respect the request).  
    "A generation of the unteachable is hanging upon us like a necklace of corpses." - George Orwell 

    "I've made a note never to piss you two off." - Stike

    Ruining the forum, one post at a time.  

    Living large in the 919
  • LegumeLegume Posts: 11,750
    And I would agree with that in general for the Friday zooms.  But if there was interest in something structured and dedicated to that, could be educational and interesting.  And it doesn’t have to be politics, can be spares vs baby backs.  Brisket vs prime rib.

    ok, it’s going to prob be politics of some sort, but I’d rather listen to that from folks here than politicians on a stage.

    Probably not though.
    I do not have any broken or spare parts for any size egg.
  • JohnInCarolinaJohnInCarolina Posts: 21,115
    NCSmoky said:
    NCSmoky said:
    NCSmoky said:
    NCSmoky said:
    NCSmoky said:
    1voyager said:

    I'm all for legal immigration. I push back on illegals flooding across the border. I'm patriotic like that.
    Human beings aren’t illegal.  Start there, and maybe try growing a soul.
    The humans aren't illegal but their actions (illegal entry to foreign country) are. We have laws and if I'm expected to follow them and am punished for violating then I expect others to be held accountable as well. I guess my soul is underdeveloped.
    I am guessing you’ve not met very many of them.  And yes, do some work on your compassion for other people who are far less fortunate than you are, thanks.
    Laws aren’t based on emotion, they are what they are and you are compliant or not. I’m sure there are many good people breaking our laws by coming here but that doesn’t change the definition of their actions.
    So they’re criminals, in your view?
    Their actions are criminal as defined by US law. 

    What actions?  Living in the US without documentation? 
    Entry into the US without going through proper visa process. If they entered with proper visa but did not leave when the visa expired without renewal then that is also a violation of us criminal code. As much as you are emotionally vested in these people you will never prove that they are not in violation of US law. That is the only issue I am addressing 
    You do understand that there are civil violations of the law and criminal violations of the law, and that they are handled differently, right?

    Yeah... that doesn't answer the question I posed to you.  I can cite case law back at you if you want, and I don't even have to spend half an hour googling for it.  

    There's a reason deportation cases are almost entirely processed via civil hearings in the US.  The act of being here "without papers" isn't viewed in and of itself as a crime.   Deportation is a very different consequence from being thrown in jail.   But most Americans tend to view these people as criminals, and wrongfully so. 
    "A generation of the unteachable is hanging upon us like a necklace of corpses." - George Orwell 

    "I've made a note never to piss you two off." - Stike

    Ruining the forum, one post at a time.  

    Living large in the 919
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