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Worth watching for sure, Dwayne. Thanks for sharing that.DMW said:"I've made a note never to piss you two off." - Stike
"The truth is, these are not very bright guys, and things got out of hand." - Deep Throat -
No no, you're wrong about that Ron. Let's just take a look at how he's responding to Bush's message about unity, shall we?YukonRon said:Trump could not put something like this together, even when our country needs it most.
"I've made a note never to piss you two off." - Stike
"The truth is, these are not very bright guys, and things got out of hand." - Deep Throat -
The bad part about this; he has not bottomed out yet.JohnInCarolina said:
No no, you're wrong about that Ron. Let's just take a look at how he's responding to Bush's message about unity, shall we?YukonRon said:Trump could not put something like this together, even when our country needs it most.
The only way to explain his behavior is insanity."Knowledge is Good" - Emil Faber
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YukonRon said:
What happened to the Republican party?DMW said:
Leadership. Faith. Direction. Compasion.
Gone.
Anyone following the cheeto....this is what you need to stand up and demand. You will never get it, because you have bowed to a monarchy.
America depends on you. You put Trump in office.
History will define you.
The Republican party finally got some balls, that's what happened.
The Democrat party has been exposed as the true party of hate. Look no further than calling President Trump names, such as the one you mentioned. The blistering hatred for President Trump is repulsive.
Where's the leadership, faith, direction and compassion in the democrat party? There is none. Leadership mode is attack and deflect. Faith as long as it isn't Christian. Direction? Seriously? Democrats have no direction. Compassion? Sure. Compassion for illegals at the expense of US citizens.
I helped put President Trump in office and I'm proud of it.Large Egg, PGS A40 gasser. -
I think it's just plain old narcissism. Raw, unadulterated narcissism.YukonRon said:
The bad part about this; he has not bottomed out yet.JohnInCarolina said:
No no, you're wrong about that Ron. Let's just take a look at how he's responding to Bush's message about unity, shall we?YukonRon said:Trump could not put something like this together, even when our country needs it most.
The only way to explain his behavior is insanity."I've made a note never to piss you two off." - Stike
"The truth is, these are not very bright guys, and things got out of hand." - Deep Throat -
He learned that from Barack
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Somehow I don't doubt that you are. Is this you, by the way?1voyager said:YukonRon said:
What happened to the Republican party?DMW said:
Leadership. Faith. Direction. Compasion.
Gone.
Anyone following the cheeto....this is what you need to stand up and demand. You will never get it, because you have bowed to a monarchy.
America depends on you. You put Trump in office.
History will define you.
The Republican party finally got some balls, that's what happened.
The Democrat party has been exposed as the true party of hate. Look no further than calling President Trump names, such as the one you mentioned. The blistering hatred for President Trump is repulsive.
Where's the leadership, faith, direction and compassion in the democrat party? There is none. Leadership mode is attack and deflect. Faith as long as it isn't Christian. Direction? Seriously? Democrats have no direction. Compassion? Sure. Compassion for illegals at the expense of US citizens.
I helped put President Trump in office and I'm proud of it.
"I've made a note never to piss you two off." - Stike
"The truth is, these are not very bright guys, and things got out of hand." - Deep Throat -
Hard to see that we're not going to be screwed by a rush to reopen in certain parts of the country."I've made a note never to piss you two off." - Stike
"The truth is, these are not very bright guys, and things got out of hand." - Deep Throat -
JohnInCarolina said:
Somehow I don't doubt that you are. Is this you, by the way?1voyager said:YukonRon said:
What happened to the Republican party?DMW said:
Leadership. Faith. Direction. Compasion.
Gone.
Anyone following the cheeto....this is what you need to stand up and demand. You will never get it, because you have bowed to a monarchy.
America depends on you. You put Trump in office.
History will define you.
The Republican party finally got some balls, that's what happened.
The Democrat party has been exposed as the true party of hate. Look no further than calling President Trump names, such as the one you mentioned. The blistering hatred for President Trump is repulsive.
Where's the leadership, faith, direction and compassion in the democrat party? There is none. Leadership mode is attack and deflect. Faith as long as it isn't Christian. Direction? Seriously? Democrats have no direction. Compassion? Sure. Compassion for illegals at the expense of US citizens.
I helped put President Trump in office and I'm proud of it.
Shirt - yes
Flag - no way
Nice attack, BTW.Large Egg, PGS A40 gasser. -
Whenever I see people attacking immigrants, I tend to push back hard. I'm patriotic like that.1voyager said:JohnInCarolina said:
Somehow I don't doubt that you are. Is this you, by the way?1voyager said:YukonRon said:
What happened to the Republican party?DMW said:
Leadership. Faith. Direction. Compasion.
Gone.
Anyone following the cheeto....this is what you need to stand up and demand. You will never get it, because you have bowed to a monarchy.
America depends on you. You put Trump in office.
History will define you.
The Republican party finally got some balls, that's what happened.
The Democrat party has been exposed as the true party of hate. Look no further than calling President Trump names, such as the one you mentioned. The blistering hatred for President Trump is repulsive.
Where's the leadership, faith, direction and compassion in the democrat party? There is none. Leadership mode is attack and deflect. Faith as long as it isn't Christian. Direction? Seriously? Democrats have no direction. Compassion? Sure. Compassion for illegals at the expense of US citizens.
I helped put President Trump in office and I'm proud of it.
Shirt - yes
Flag - no way
Nice attack, BTW."I've made a note never to piss you two off." - Stike
"The truth is, these are not very bright guys, and things got out of hand." - Deep Throat -
This is nothing short of remarkable.JohnInCarolina said:
No no, you're wrong about that Ron. Let's just take a look at how he's responding to Bush's message about unity, shall we?Stillwater, MN -
In addition to being tone deaf, he's reminding the country that the last Republican President didn't voice opposition to his impeachment. Gee... I wonder why.StillH2OEgger said:
This is nothing short of remarkable.JohnInCarolina said:
No no, you're wrong about that Ron. Let's just take a look at how he's responding to Bush's message about unity, shall we?"I've made a note never to piss you two off." - Stike
"The truth is, these are not very bright guys, and things got out of hand." - Deep Throat -
I'm all for legal immigration. I push back on illegals flooding across the border. I'm patriotic like that.JohnInCarolina said:
Whenever I see people attacking immigrants, I tend to push back hard. I'm patriotic like that.1voyager said:JohnInCarolina said:
Somehow I don't doubt that you are. Is this you, by the way?1voyager said:YukonRon said:
What happened to the Republican party?DMW said:
Leadership. Faith. Direction. Compasion.
Gone.
Anyone following the cheeto....this is what you need to stand up and demand. You will never get it, because you have bowed to a monarchy.
America depends on you. You put Trump in office.
History will define you.
The Republican party finally got some balls, that's what happened.
The Democrat party has been exposed as the true party of hate. Look no further than calling President Trump names, such as the one you mentioned. The blistering hatred for President Trump is repulsive.
Where's the leadership, faith, direction and compassion in the democrat party? There is none. Leadership mode is attack and deflect. Faith as long as it isn't Christian. Direction? Seriously? Democrats have no direction. Compassion? Sure. Compassion for illegals at the expense of US citizens.
I helped put President Trump in office and I'm proud of it.
Shirt - yes
Flag - no way
Nice attack, BTW.Large Egg, PGS A40 gasser. -
Human beings aren’t illegal. Start there, and maybe try growing a soul.1voyager said:
I'm all for legal immigration. I push back on illegals flooding across the border. I'm patriotic like that.JohnInCarolina said:
Whenever I see people attacking immigrants, I tend to push back hard. I'm patriotic like that.1voyager said:JohnInCarolina said:
Somehow I don't doubt that you are. Is this you, by the way?1voyager said:YukonRon said:
What happened to the Republican party?DMW said:
Leadership. Faith. Direction. Compasion.
Gone.
Anyone following the cheeto....this is what you need to stand up and demand. You will never get it, because you have bowed to a monarchy.
America depends on you. You put Trump in office.
History will define you.
The Republican party finally got some balls, that's what happened.
The Democrat party has been exposed as the true party of hate. Look no further than calling President Trump names, such as the one you mentioned. The blistering hatred for President Trump is repulsive.
Where's the leadership, faith, direction and compassion in the democrat party? There is none. Leadership mode is attack and deflect. Faith as long as it isn't Christian. Direction? Seriously? Democrats have no direction. Compassion? Sure. Compassion for illegals at the expense of US citizens.
I helped put President Trump in office and I'm proud of it.
Shirt - yes
Flag - no way
Nice attack, BTW."I've made a note never to piss you two off." - Stike
"The truth is, these are not very bright guys, and things got out of hand." - Deep Throat -
The humans aren't illegal but their actions (illegal entry to foreign country) are. We have laws and if I'm expected to follow them and am punished for violating then I expect others to be held accountable as well. I guess my soul is underdeveloped.JohnInCarolina said:
Human beings aren’t illegal. Start there, and maybe try growing a soul.1voyager said:
I'm all for legal immigration. I push back on illegals flooding across the border. I'm patriotic like that. -
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I am guessing you’ve not met very many of them. And yes, do some work on your compassion for other people who are far less fortunate than you are, thanks.NCSmoky said:
The humans aren't illegal but their actions (illegal entry to foreign country) are. We have laws and if I'm expected to follow them and am punished for violating then I expect others to be held accountable as well. I guess my soul is underdeveloped.JohnInCarolina said:
Human beings aren’t illegal. Start there, and maybe try growing a soul.1voyager said:
I'm all for legal immigration. I push back on illegals flooding across the border. I'm patriotic like that."I've made a note never to piss you two off." - Stike
"The truth is, these are not very bright guys, and things got out of hand." - Deep Throat -
Laws aren’t based on emotion, they are what they are and you are compliant or not. I’m sure there are many good people breaking our laws by coming here but that doesn’t change the definition of their actions.JohnInCarolina said:
I am guessing you’ve not met very many of them. And yes, do some work on your compassion for other people who are far less fortunate than you are, thanks.NCSmoky said:
The humans aren't illegal but their actions (illegal entry to foreign country) are. We have laws and if I'm expected to follow them and am punished for violating then I expect others to be held accountable as well. I guess my soul is underdeveloped.JohnInCarolina said:
Human beings aren’t illegal. Start there, and maybe try growing a soul.1voyager said:
I'm all for legal immigration. I push back on illegals flooding across the border. I'm patriotic like that. -
So they’re criminals, in your view?NCSmoky said:
Laws aren’t based on emotion, they are what they are and you are compliant or not. I’m sure there are many good people breaking our laws by coming here but that doesn’t change the definition of their actions.JohnInCarolina said:
I am guessing you’ve not met very many of them. And yes, do some work on your compassion for other people who are far less fortunate than you are, thanks.NCSmoky said:
The humans aren't illegal but their actions (illegal entry to foreign country) are. We have laws and if I'm expected to follow them and am punished for violating then I expect others to be held accountable as well. I guess my soul is underdeveloped.JohnInCarolina said:
Human beings aren’t illegal. Start there, and maybe try growing a soul.1voyager said:
I'm all for legal immigration. I push back on illegals flooding across the border. I'm patriotic like that."I've made a note never to piss you two off." - Stike
"The truth is, these are not very bright guys, and things got out of hand." - Deep Throat -
Their actions are criminal as defined by US law.JohnInCarolina said:
So they’re criminals, in your view?NCSmoky said:
Laws aren’t based on emotion, they are what they are and you are compliant or not. I’m sure there are many good people breaking our laws by coming here but that doesn’t change the definition of their actions.JohnInCarolina said:
I am guessing you’ve not met very many of them. And yes, do some work on your compassion for other people who are far less fortunate than you are, thanks.NCSmoky said:
The humans aren't illegal but their actions (illegal entry to foreign country) are. We have laws and if I'm expected to follow them and am punished for violating then I expect others to be held accountable as well. I guess my soul is underdeveloped.JohnInCarolina said:
Human beings aren’t illegal. Start there, and maybe try growing a soul.1voyager said:
I'm all for legal immigration. I push back on illegals flooding across the border. I'm patriotic like that. -
NCSmoky said:
Their actions are criminal as defined by US law.JohnInCarolina said:
So they’re criminals, in your view?NCSmoky said:
Laws aren’t based on emotion, they are what they are and you are compliant or not. I’m sure there are many good people breaking our laws by coming here but that doesn’t change the definition of their actions.JohnInCarolina said:
I am guessing you’ve not met very many of them. And yes, do some work on your compassion for other people who are far less fortunate than you are, thanks.NCSmoky said:
The humans aren't illegal but their actions (illegal entry to foreign country) are. We have laws and if I'm expected to follow them and am punished for violating then I expect others to be held accountable as well. I guess my soul is underdeveloped.JohnInCarolina said:
Human beings aren’t illegal. Start there, and maybe try growing a soul.1voyager said:
I'm all for legal immigration. I push back on illegals flooding across the border. I'm patriotic like that.
What actions? Living in the US without documentation?"I've made a note never to piss you two off." - Stike
"The truth is, these are not very bright guys, and things got out of hand." - Deep Throat -
Entry into the US without going through proper visa process. If they entered with proper visa but did not leave when the visa expired without renewal then that is also a violation of us criminal code. As much as you are emotionally vested in these people you will never prove that they are not in violation of US law. That is the only issue I am addressingJohnInCarolina said:NCSmoky said:
Their actions are criminal as defined by US law.JohnInCarolina said:
So they’re criminals, in your view?NCSmoky said:
Laws aren’t based on emotion, they are what they are and you are compliant or not. I’m sure there are many good people breaking our laws by coming here but that doesn’t change the definition of their actions.JohnInCarolina said:
I am guessing you’ve not met very many of them. And yes, do some work on your compassion for other people who are far less fortunate than you are, thanks.NCSmoky said:
The humans aren't illegal but their actions (illegal entry to foreign country) are. We have laws and if I'm expected to follow them and am punished for violating then I expect others to be held accountable as well. I guess my soul is underdeveloped.JohnInCarolina said:
Human beings aren’t illegal. Start there, and maybe try growing a soul.1voyager said:
I'm all for legal immigration. I push back on illegals flooding across the border. I'm patriotic like that.
What actions? Living in the US without documentation? -
You do understand that there are civil violations of the law and criminal violations of the law, and that they are handled differently, right?NCSmoky said:
Entry into the US without going through proper visa process. If they entered with proper visa but did not leave when the visa expired without renewal then that is also a violation of us criminal code. As much as you are emotionally vested in these people you will never prove that they are not in violation of US law. That is the only issue I am addressingJohnInCarolina said:NCSmoky said:
Their actions are criminal as defined by US law.JohnInCarolina said:
So they’re criminals, in your view?NCSmoky said:
Laws aren’t based on emotion, they are what they are and you are compliant or not. I’m sure there are many good people breaking our laws by coming here but that doesn’t change the definition of their actions.JohnInCarolina said:
I am guessing you’ve not met very many of them. And yes, do some work on your compassion for other people who are far less fortunate than you are, thanks.NCSmoky said:
The humans aren't illegal but their actions (illegal entry to foreign country) are. We have laws and if I'm expected to follow them and am punished for violating then I expect others to be held accountable as well. I guess my soul is underdeveloped.JohnInCarolina said:
Human beings aren’t illegal. Start there, and maybe try growing a soul.1voyager said:
I'm all for legal immigration. I push back on illegals flooding across the border. I'm patriotic like that.
What actions? Living in the US without documentation?"I've made a note never to piss you two off." - Stike
"The truth is, these are not very bright guys, and things got out of hand." - Deep Throat -
"I've made a note never to piss you two off." - Stike
"The truth is, these are not very bright guys, and things got out of hand." - Deep Throat -
I propose public intercourse.
The IRL barrier has been thin here for many with eggfests, blasts and camps and that always seems to go a long way to forming friendships, but the forum format always seems to push people to have dug-in positions. The Friday night zooms seem like they’ve been good for breaking down barriers too.
I think a debate or two on zoom would be great. Lots of different opinions and perspectives here and *hopefully* F2F means a little more civility and more open mindedness and sharing of ideas.
Create a few basic rules for behavior and format, we could nominate and select topics in a thread. We would need someone to moderate (with the mute button).THANK YOU FOR YOUR ATTENTION TO THIS MATTER -
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JohnInCarolina said:
You do understand that there are civil violations of the law and criminal violations of the law, and that they are handled differently, right?NCSmoky said:
Entry into the US without going through proper visa process. If they entered with proper visa but did not leave when the visa expired without renewal then that is also a violation of us criminal code. As much as you are emotionally vested in these people you will never prove that they are not in violation of US law. That is the only issue I am addressingJohnInCarolina said:NCSmoky said:
Their actions are criminal as defined by US law.JohnInCarolina said:
So they’re criminals, in your view?NCSmoky said:
Laws aren’t based on emotion, they are what they are and you are compliant or not. I’m sure there are many good people breaking our laws by coming here but that doesn’t change the definition of their actions.JohnInCarolina said:
I am guessing you’ve not met very many of them. And yes, do some work on your compassion for other people who are far less fortunate than you are, thanks.NCSmoky said:
The humans aren't illegal but their actions (illegal entry to foreign country) are. We have laws and if I'm expected to follow them and am punished for violating then I expect others to be held accountable as well. I guess my soul is underdeveloped.JohnInCarolina said:
Human beings aren’t illegal. Start there, and maybe try growing a soul.1voyager said:
I'm all for legal immigration. I push back on illegals flooding across the border. I'm patriotic like that.
What actions? Living in the US without documentation?
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It's funny because politics are generally off-limits as an unwritten rule at the various fests and get-togethers, and they've been called off-limits in the Zoom sessions as well (not by me, although I did respect the request).Legume said:I propose public intercourse.
The IRL barrier has been thin here for many with eggfests, blasts and camps and that always seems to go a long way to forming friendships, but the forum format always seems to push people to have dug-in positions. The Friday night zooms seem like they’ve been good for breaking down barriers too.
I think a debate or two on zoom would be great. Lots of different opinions and perspectives here and *hopefully* F2F means a little more civility and more open mindedness and sharing of ideas.
Create a few basic rules for behavior and format, we could nominate and select topics in a thread. We would need someone to moderate (with the mute button)."I've made a note never to piss you two off." - Stike
"The truth is, these are not very bright guys, and things got out of hand." - Deep Throat -
And I would agree with that in general for the Friday zooms. But if there was interest in something structured and dedicated to that, could be educational and interesting. And it doesn’t have to be politics, can be spares vs baby backs. Brisket vs prime rib.
ok, it’s going to prob be politics of some sort, but I’d rather listen to that from folks here than politicians on a stage.
Probably not though.THANK YOU FOR YOUR ATTENTION TO THIS MATTER -
Yeah... that doesn't answer the question I posed to you. I can cite case law back at you if you want, and I don't even have to spend half an hour googling for it.NCSmoky said:JohnInCarolina said:
You do understand that there are civil violations of the law and criminal violations of the law, and that they are handled differently, right?NCSmoky said:
Entry into the US without going through proper visa process. If they entered with proper visa but did not leave when the visa expired without renewal then that is also a violation of us criminal code. As much as you are emotionally vested in these people you will never prove that they are not in violation of US law. That is the only issue I am addressingJohnInCarolina said:NCSmoky said:
Their actions are criminal as defined by US law.JohnInCarolina said:
So they’re criminals, in your view?NCSmoky said:
Laws aren’t based on emotion, they are what they are and you are compliant or not. I’m sure there are many good people breaking our laws by coming here but that doesn’t change the definition of their actions.JohnInCarolina said:
I am guessing you’ve not met very many of them. And yes, do some work on your compassion for other people who are far less fortunate than you are, thanks.NCSmoky said:
The humans aren't illegal but their actions (illegal entry to foreign country) are. We have laws and if I'm expected to follow them and am punished for violating then I expect others to be held accountable as well. I guess my soul is underdeveloped.JohnInCarolina said:
Human beings aren’t illegal. Start there, and maybe try growing a soul.1voyager said:
I'm all for legal immigration. I push back on illegals flooding across the border. I'm patriotic like that.
What actions? Living in the US without documentation?
There's a reason deportation cases are almost entirely processed via civil hearings in the US. The act of being here "without papers" isn't viewed in and of itself as a crime. Deportation is a very different consequence from being thrown in jail. But most Americans tend to view these people as criminals, and wrongfully so."I've made a note never to piss you two off." - Stike
"The truth is, these are not very bright guys, and things got out of hand." - Deep Throat
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