CHEETO INDICTED!

JohnInCarolina

NY weather next week:

ColbyLang

Botch said:

ColbyLang said:
He did make a poor comment about getting ice cream the day of the shooting last week when doing his presser. Maybe just poor timing, maybe not. 

Since we now have 1.5 mass shootings in the US  per day, are you saying he can't have ice cream anymore?  

Maybe the ice cream is the cause? 

Really? A guy who served our country in the service is going to claim 1.5 mass shootings per day as accurate evidence? Where do these happen? Chicago? Baltimore? That don’t count. That’s pure lawlessness. Botch, you know the gun is just the tool used. But that’s got a whole other thread. 

JohnInCarolina

There really aren’t that many gun deaths in the US, so long as you can rationalize away the vast majority of gun deaths.  Because well regulated militia, or something.

lousubcap

On a light bourbon infused Saturday night, for me, in most cases the gun defaults to an extension of a shortcoming regarding their "Richard."

When you are self-confident you don't need to talk or showcase props, especially hanging off your belt.

JohnInCarolina

http://twitter.com/SergeantAqGo/status/1642249932911329281?s=20

Legume

ColbyLang said:

Legume said:

ColbyLang said:

Look, he’s guilty. But he never claimed to be an Angel. You don’t rise to his level of wealth by doing everything legitimately.

Did the hatred on this site run this deep with either of the Bush boys? What about brother Bill and his Cohiba cigar and Ms Lewinsky? Barack? This was all before my time here. And I’ll wager whatever any of you would like that EVERY SINGLE ONE OF THEM is guilty of something like former President Trump. 

the **** Stormy Daniels charge is a farce. He shoulda sent her the payment and a 1099. Is he guilty of other ****? Absolutely. 

Regardless of your political views or beliefs…..we look like fools as citizens of a country with an ex president about to do a perp walk and a sitting president who isn’t coherent over 50% of the time. 

I read this and hear this a lot from the Fox / Bongino crowd.  I've never seen anything credible to back it up other than some verbal gaffes and stuttering remnants.  Is there some credible data on this?

My dad died three years ago at 89 with a pretty good case of dementia - unclear if Alz or some kind of age related dementia, but we watched it progress for years.  He was in memory care for his last year when my mom couldn't take care of him any longer.  He was still lucid at least 50% of the time and could fool most people during that time.  And still it's night and day the difference between him and Biden.  I really wonder if people
make these claims from place of knowledge or if it's just the easy thing to say.

I hate that we may have Biden as our best choice for the next president, but here we are, I've yet to see any better suggestions, declared or not, either party.

I’ve only read what’s been said. He did make a poor comment about getting ice cream the day of the shooting last week when doing his presser. Maybe just poor timing, maybe not. 

Sorry to go back to the well on this.  I do appreciate your reply.  What occurs to me though is that the example you point out about the ice cream comment - that wouldn't even make the top 100 in DJT's greatest hits, but we're numb to that now.  Do we just accept that DJT is "that way" and we expect more of Biden, so a poorly made comment = dementia?  I think people just give DJT a pass, for just about everything and to me that's dangerous as he ll.

ColbyLang

Legume said:

ColbyLang said:

Legume said:

ColbyLang said:

Look, he’s guilty. But he never claimed to be an Angel. You don’t rise to his level of wealth by doing everything legitimately.

Did the hatred on this site run this deep with either of the Bush boys? What about brother Bill and his Cohiba cigar and Ms Lewinsky? Barack? This was all before my time here. And I’ll wager whatever any of you would like that EVERY SINGLE ONE OF THEM is guilty of something like former President Trump. 

the **** Stormy Daniels charge is a farce. He shoulda sent her the payment and a 1099. Is he guilty of other ****? Absolutely. 

Regardless of your political views or beliefs…..we look like fools as citizens of a country with an ex president about to do a perp walk and a sitting president who isn’t coherent over 50% of the time. 

I read this and hear this a lot from the Fox / Bongino crowd.  I've never seen anything credible to back it up other than some verbal gaffes and stuttering remnants.  Is there some credible data on this?

My dad died three years ago at 89 with a pretty good case of dementia - unclear if Alz or some kind of age related dementia, but we watched it progress for years.  He was in memory care for his last year when my mom couldn't take care of him any longer.  He was still lucid at least 50% of the time and could fool most people during that time.  And still it's night and day the difference between him and Biden.  I really wonder if people
make these claims from place of knowledge or if it's just the easy thing to say.

I hate that we may have Biden as our best choice for the next president, but here we are, I've yet to see any better suggestions, declared or not, either party.

I’ve only read what’s been said. He did make a poor comment about getting ice cream the day of the shooting last week when doing his presser. Maybe just poor timing, maybe not. 

Sorry to go back to the well on this.  I do appreciate your reply.  What occurs to me though is that the example you point out about the ice cream comment - that wouldn't even make the top 100 in DJT's greatest hits, but we're numb to that now.  Do we just accept that DJT is "that way" and we expect more of Biden, so a poorly made comment = dementia?  I think people just give DJT a pass, for just about everything and to me that's dangerous as he ll.

No offense going back to the well.

 DJT was just the lesser of two evils when he was elected. As many have said prior to today, regardless of R or D…..most of us lean to the middle. I’m afraid Biden was elected for the same exact reason. Another 4 with DJT, or Uncle Joe. 

DJT has been a brazen **** since way before elected POTUS. Biden was a mediocre VP behind Obama, as most VPs are. 

lousubcap

Alwasy remember, ABC "Anybody But CHEETO!"

JohnInCarolina

ColbyLang said:

Legume said:

ColbyLang said:

Legume said:

ColbyLang said:

Look, he’s guilty. But he never claimed to be an Angel. You don’t rise to his level of wealth by doing everything legitimately.

Did the hatred on this site run this deep with either of the Bush boys? What about brother Bill and his Cohiba cigar and Ms Lewinsky? Barack? This was all before my time here. And I’ll wager whatever any of you would like that EVERY SINGLE ONE OF THEM is guilty of something like former President Trump. 

the **** Stormy Daniels charge is a farce. He shoulda sent her the payment and a 1099. Is he guilty of other ****? Absolutely. 

Regardless of your political views or beliefs…..we look like fools as citizens of a country with an ex president about to do a perp walk and a sitting president who isn’t coherent over 50% of the time. 

I read this and hear this a lot from the Fox / Bongino crowd.  I've never seen anything credible to back it up other than some verbal gaffes and stuttering remnants.  Is there some credible data on this?

My dad died three years ago at 89 with a pretty good case of dementia - unclear if Alz or some kind of age related dementia, but we watched it progress for years.  He was in memory care for his last year when my mom couldn't take care of him any longer.  He was still lucid at least 50% of the time and could fool most people during that time.  And still it's night and day the difference between him and Biden.  I really wonder if people
make these claims from place of knowledge or if it's just the easy thing to say.

I hate that we may have Biden as our best choice for the next president, but here we are, I've yet to see any better suggestions, declared or not, either party.

I’ve only read what’s been said. He did make a poor comment about getting ice cream the day of the shooting last week when doing his presser. Maybe just poor timing, maybe not. 

Sorry to go back to the well on this.  I do appreciate your reply.  What occurs to me though is that the example you point out about the ice cream comment - that wouldn't even make the top 100 in DJT's greatest hits, but we're numb to that now.  Do we just accept that DJT is "that way" and we expect more of Biden, so a poorly made comment = dementia?  I think people just give DJT a pass, for just about everything and to me that's dangerous as he ll.

No offense going back to the well.

 DJT was just the lesser of two evils when he was elected. As many have said prior to today, regardless of R or D…..most of us lean to the middle. I’m afraid Biden was elected for the same exact reason. Another 4 with DJT, or Uncle Joe. 

DJT has been a brazen **** since way before elected POTUS. Biden was a mediocre VP behind Obama, as most VPs are. 

Lesser of two evils doesn’t really explain him winning the Republican primary in 2016 though, does it?  

Based on what we saw from 2016-2020, and with this indictment and possibly more coming, it will be interesting arguing Trump as the lesser of two evils if he wins the GOP primary once again.

nolaegghead

All that "noise" ("he took a shower during the water shortage!!!") stuff is just a common type of character assignation.  Ignore it.  How people respond to issues is important and how they fumble some words because they have a speech impediment or whatever isn't relevant to their ability to do their jobs.

ColbyLang

JohnInCarolina said:

ColbyLang said:

Legume said:

ColbyLang said:

Legume said:

ColbyLang said:

Look, he’s guilty. But he never claimed to be an Angel. You don’t rise to his level of wealth by doing everything legitimately.

Did the hatred on this site run this deep with either of the Bush boys? What about brother Bill and his Cohiba cigar and Ms Lewinsky? Barack? This was all before my time here. And I’ll wager whatever any of you would like that EVERY SINGLE ONE OF THEM is guilty of something like former President Trump. 

the **** Stormy Daniels charge is a farce. He shoulda sent her the payment and a 1099. Is he guilty of other ****? Absolutely. 

Regardless of your political views or beliefs…..we look like fools as citizens of a country with an ex president about to do a perp walk and a sitting president who isn’t coherent over 50% of the time. 

I read this and hear this a lot from the Fox / Bongino crowd.  I've never seen anything credible to back it up other than some verbal gaffes and stuttering remnants.  Is there some credible data on this?

My dad died three years ago at 89 with a pretty good case of dementia - unclear if Alz or some kind of age related dementia, but we watched it progress for years.  He was in memory care for his last year when my mom couldn't take care of him any longer.  He was still lucid at least 50% of the time and could fool most people during that time.  And still it's night and day the difference between him and Biden.  I really wonder if people
make these claims from place of knowledge or if it's just the easy thing to say.

I hate that we may have Biden as our best choice for the next president, but here we are, I've yet to see any better suggestions, declared or not, either party.

I’ve only read what’s been said. He did make a poor comment about getting ice cream the day of the shooting last week when doing his presser. Maybe just poor timing, maybe not. 

Sorry to go back to the well on this.  I do appreciate your reply.  What occurs to me though is that the example you point out about the ice cream comment - that wouldn't even make the top 100 in DJT's greatest hits, but we're numb to that now.  Do we just accept that DJT is "that way" and we expect more of Biden, so a poorly made comment = dementia?  I think people just give DJT a pass, for just about everything and to me that's dangerous as he ll.

No offense going back to the well.

 DJT was just the lesser of two evils when he was elected. As many have said prior to today, regardless of R or D…..most of us lean to the middle. I’m afraid Biden was elected for the same exact reason. Another 4 with DJT, or Uncle Joe. 

DJT has been a brazen **** since way before elected POTUS. Biden was a mediocre VP behind Obama, as most VPs are. 

Lesser of two evils doesn’t really explain him winning the Republican primary in 2016 though, does it?  

Based on what we saw from 2016-2020, and with this indictment and possibly more coming, it will be interesting arguing Trump as the lesser of two evils if he wins the GOP primary once again.

Cus Hillary an Angel, I forgot. And during Holy Week at that. Shame on me

lousubcap

Talk about prescience here-Trump and a Watergate player all in one shot-

""In 1988, then-businessman Donald Trump 'hosted' WrestleMania at the Trump Plaza Hotel and Casino in Atlantic City. That word is in quotes because, as with so much involving Trump, it was a con—the actual event took place across the street, at the Atlantic City Convention Center. (TV audiences were none the wiser, Riesman notes, and this helped Trump build his brand.) Two years earlier, the lawyer G. Gordon Liddy, of Watergate fame, served as a WrestleMania celebrity guest judge." The connection between our two American spectacles is only going to increase when Trump Trial 1 kicks off in NYC."

JohnInCarolina

ColbyLang said:

JohnInCarolina said:

ColbyLang said:

Legume said:

ColbyLang said:

Legume said:

ColbyLang said:

Look, he’s guilty. But he never claimed to be an Angel. You don’t rise to his level of wealth by doing everything legitimately.

Did the hatred on this site run this deep with either of the Bush boys? What about brother Bill and his Cohiba cigar and Ms Lewinsky? Barack? This was all before my time here. And I’ll wager whatever any of you would like that EVERY SINGLE ONE OF THEM is guilty of something like former President Trump. 

the **** Stormy Daniels charge is a farce. He shoulda sent her the payment and a 1099. Is he guilty of other ****? Absolutely. 

Regardless of your political views or beliefs…..we look like fools as citizens of a country with an ex president about to do a perp walk and a sitting president who isn’t coherent over 50% of the time. 

I read this and hear this a lot from the Fox / Bongino crowd.  I've never seen anything credible to back it up other than some verbal gaffes and stuttering remnants.  Is there some credible data on this?

My dad died three years ago at 89 with a pretty good case of dementia - unclear if Alz or some kind of age related dementia, but we watched it progress for years.  He was in memory care for his last year when my mom couldn't take care of him any longer.  He was still lucid at least 50% of the time and could fool most people during that time.  And still it's night and day the difference between him and Biden.  I really wonder if people
make these claims from place of knowledge or if it's just the easy thing to say.

I hate that we may have Biden as our best choice for the next president, but here we are, I've yet to see any better suggestions, declared or not, either party.

I’ve only read what’s been said. He did make a poor comment about getting ice cream the day of the shooting last week when doing his presser. Maybe just poor timing, maybe not. 

Sorry to go back to the well on this.  I do appreciate your reply.  What occurs to me though is that the example you point out about the ice cream comment - that wouldn't even make the top 100 in DJT's greatest hits, but we're numb to that now.  Do we just accept that DJT is "that way" and we expect more of Biden, so a poorly made comment = dementia?  I think people just give DJT a pass, for just about everything and to me that's dangerous as he ll.

No offense going back to the well.

 DJT was just the lesser of two evils when he was elected. As many have said prior to today, regardless of R or D…..most of us lean to the middle. I’m afraid Biden was elected for the same exact reason. Another 4 with DJT, or Uncle Joe. 

DJT has been a brazen **** since way before elected POTUS. Biden was a mediocre VP behind Obama, as most VPs are. 

Lesser of two evils doesn’t really explain him winning the Republican primary in 2016 though, does it?  

Based on what we saw from 2016-2020, and with this indictment and possibly more coming, it will be interesting arguing Trump as the lesser of two evils if he wins the GOP primary once again.

Cus Hillary an Angel, I forgot. And during Holy Week at that. Shame on me

I think you missed my point.  I wasn't arguing against the idea of picking Trump as the "lesser of two evils" when it comes to his matchup against Hillary. I don't agree with that choice, but I understand the argument.  

What I was saying was that I didn't think a "lesser of two evils" argument really explains why Trump beat out all of the other Republican candidates in the primaries.  

lousubcap

As the world and USA learned in 2016, his core base stranglehold was solid.  The other 15-16 candidates were sniping for the 65% +/- not aligned with CHEETO.  By the time the field sorted out the playbook CHEETO had the nomination lock.

The core base is still there (but likely weakening a bit given his current spectacle, with more to follow) but unless the R's get the candidate field way down and early in the game , it will be "here we go again." F' me.

BTW I loathe CHEETO.  CHEETO makes Nixon look like a saint.

JohnInCarolina

Why I don’t watch cable news, episode 469:

HeavyG

JohnInCarolina said:

Why I don’t watch cable news, episode 469:

I was hoping to see news reports that the flight path of "Trumpster One" suddenly deviated out of US airspace and now appears to be headed towards. ... (anywhere but here really).

Botch

lousubcap said:

The core base is still there (but likely weakening a bit given his current spectacle, with more to follow) but unless the R's get the candidate field way down and early in the game , it will be "here we go again." 

This is why the best candidate our party had, Larry Hogan, didn't even enter the race (keep the field small).  He didn't have a presidential "look", which shouldn't matter but it does.  But, he was the repub's best chance to possibly mend the rifts between red and blue; our current repub hopefuls (desantis, pence, haley, hutchinson, and possibly kruz) are all clones, STILL supporting Traitor as of now.  
 
As far as I know Pres Biden still hasn't officially entered the race; there's a theory that he won't bow out until the last minute, just to keep the vitriole away from other candidates for as long as possible.  We'll see.  
 
Once again, I'm glad I have no children/grandchildren.... 

JohnInCarolina

Legume

Botch said:

lousubcap said:

The core base is still there (but likely weakening a bit given his current spectacle, with more to follow) but unless the R's get the candidate field way down and early in the game , it will be "here we go again." 

This is why the best candidate our party had, Larry Hogan, didn't even enter the race (keep the field small).  He didn't have a presidential "look", which shouldn't matter but it does.  But, he was the repub's best chance to possibly mend the rifts between red and blue; our current repub hopefuls (desantis, pence, haley, hutchinson, and possibly kruz) are all clones, STILL supporting Traitor as of now.  
 
As far as I know Pres Biden still hasn't officially entered the race; there's a theory that he won't bow out until the last minute, just to keep the vitriole away from other candidates for as long as possible.  We'll see.  
 
Once again, I'm glad I have no children/grandchildren.... 

Timely Botch!


https://www.washingtonpost.com/dc-md-va/2023/04/03/roy-mcgrath-hogan-manhunt-fugitive-tennessee/

JohnInCarolina

JohnInCarolina

Sounds like Marge has been reading the eggheadforum

lousubcap

The latest:

"Former President Trump is expected to plead not guilty in today’s hearing, his lawyers have said. The hearing is scheduled for around 14:15 local time. Trump is expected to be released on bail and to return to his Florida home Mar-a-Lago this evening, where he plans to deliver remarks at 20:15 local time. Sam Cabral and Holly Honderich report for BBC News. 

Former President Trump has hired the top white-collar criminal defense lawyer and former federal prosecutor, Todd Blanche, as his lead counsel. Blanche previously represented Trump ally Paul Manafort and Igor Fruman, a one-time associate of Rudy Giuliani who pleaded guilty in a campaign finance case. While defending Manafort, Blanche called the indictment “politically motivated,” a charge Trump levied at the district attorney, Alvin Bragg. Erica Orden reports for POLITICO. 

The online threats featuring calls for violence have been disorganized, sporadic, and lacking in coherent planning compared to the lead-up to the Jan. 6 Attack, officials say. A constant theme on pro-Trump message boards in recent weeks has been a fear that any protests may be a trap set by federal agents. However, current and former national security and law enforcement officials remain wary that far-right extremists are more likely to use encrypted communications to plan their next move than public message boards. Sean Lyngaas, Zachary Cohen, and Donie O’Sullivan report for CNN. 

Most Americans approve of the indictment of former President Trump, but many also believe that politics played at least some role, recent polls show. A CNN poll found that 60% of Americans approve of the indictment. An ABC News/Ipsos poll found that 45% of Americans believe Trump should be charged with a crime in the case, while 32% say he should not be charged. In a Quinnipiac University poll, 62% of Americans thought politics mainly motivated the indictment. Erin Doherty reports for Axios. "

JohnInCarolina

http://twitter.com/sahilkapur/status/1643251601795055617?s=20

Botch

"fraudian slip"    
 
https://youtu.be/-11iag36wFU

lousubcap

Gotta provide some fodder here after the lapse in access:

Wednesday-

"Former President Trump faces 34 felony charges of falsifying business records. All charges relate to the $130,000 hush-money payment to adult actor Stormy Daniels before the 2016 election to prevent her from speaking about her alleged affair with Trump in 2007. Trump pleaded not guilty to all the charges. Anthony Zurcher reports for BBC News. 

Prosecutors claim former President Trump falsified business records partly in a plan to deceive state tax authorities. For Trump to be guilty of a felony, prosecutors must prove that the falsification of business records was done in pursuit of a further crime. Trump’s alleged plan to deceive state tax authorities may offer judges and jurors alternative routes to finding that falsifying business records was a felony, particularly as proving that the hush money payment was made to affect an election illegally is substantively and procedurally difficult. Charlie Savage reports for the New York Times. 

Judge Juan Merchan advised former President Trump to “refrain from making statements that are likely to incite violence or civil unrest.” The advice was given following Trump’s post on Truth Social, which showed a photo of him holding a baseball bat next to an image of Alvin Bragg, the district attorney in Manhattan. The prosecution says the post demonstrates Trump has behaved recklessly during the investigation, creating a threatening environment for parties to the case. Isaac Stanley-Becker and Jacqueline Alemany report for the Washington Post. 

Intelligence officials are watching for any influence campaigns from Russia or China aimed at amplifying existing political divisions or stoking unrest among Americans over the indictment of former President Trump, according to two U.S. officials. Bret Schafer, who leads a team tracking Russian, Chinese, and Iranian disinformation efforts at the German Marshall Fund, a U.S. foreign policy think tank, said, “We haven’t seen Russia or China, at least through overt channels, amplifying outright disinformation about President Trump’s indictment and arrest.” Courtney Kube and Carol E. Lee report for NBC News. 

Thursday-

"Former Vice President Mike Pence will not appeal a ruling compelling him to testify before a grand jury investigating former President Trump’s efforts to subvert the 2020 election, an adviser to Pence said yesterday. Judge James Boasberg noted Pence could decline to answer some questions related to his role as president of the Senate during the certification of then President-elect Biden’s victory. Sadie Gurman reports for the Wall Street Journal. 

Manhattan district attorney Alvin Bragg’s case against former President Trump has garnered skepticism, even from left-leaning legal experts, liberal pundits, and some of Trump’s Republican detractors. Their skepticism has been fueled by burning questions about the prosecution’s legal theories, which Bragg has mainly left unanswered. Some wondered why Bragg revived a case he had appeared to abandon just months ago. Others questioned whether the “falsification of business records” charges against Trump could be elevated into felonies. Kyle Cheney, Erica Orden, and Josh Gerstein report for POLITICO.

Former President Trump yesterday called on Republicans in Congress to slash funding for the Justice Department and the FBI. Trump took aim at federal law enforcement authorities even though it is a Manhattan district attorney who has pursued the criminal charges against him. Trump’s proposal is unlikely to be heeded by Congress. Rami Ayyub reports for Reuters. "

Nothing worthy on Friday-

lousubcap

But even the MSM is catching on:

"Trump Is Like Nixon, but Considerably Worse

Rex Huppke, USA Today"

JohnInCarolina

bump?

lousubcap

Da-n you @JohnInCarolina , I thought the hammer had dropped.  There's always tomorrow as the sights are trained, only a question of when and it can't come soon enough. 

YukonRon

nolaegghead said:

WildmanWilson said:

Oh, boy !!!! We have him this time. Not the other times we tried but this time for sure. LOL What a bunch of gullible goofs....

Do any of you even care the democrat party is no different now than Castro or Stalin? I mean, take a step back and look at it for a second. 

First of all, let me state I think you are a brainwashed moron suffering from persistent cognitive dissonance, and I don’t even like responding to such a person because you just become more and more unstable.  

That said, we still don’t know the charges, but it’s pretty well accepted in the legal community this case *probably* is one of the least egregious insofar as sentencing guidelines go.  It’s a big deal because it’s the first time a US president has been charged of a crime.  He can’t be charged for hiding his sleeping with a porn star right after his third wife just gave birth to his fifth child.  Not that that would have changed anyone’s vote….who the hell am I kidding, that’s exactly what he did.  But the crime will be more pedestrian, lying on business paperwork or failing to disclose campaign expenses.  No jail time if convicted on this one.

If you think the Democratic Party is “no different than Castro or Stalin”, then congratulations, you have been weaponized with political ignorance like millions of other idiots.  You are a pawn of a relatively small group of ultra wealthy right wing industrialists, a sheep that ironically calls people who you disagree with sheep.

We may not know what but, I think we know how many.  I just read there are 7 felony counts. 

A good day, indeed.

This and the passing of Pat Robinson, if there is a hell, I hope he is in it.

YukonRon

HeavyG said:

JohnInCarolina said:

Why I don’t watch cable news, episode 469:

I was hoping to see news reports that the flight path of "Trumpster One" suddenly deviated out of US airspace and now appears to be headed towards. ... (anywhere but here really).

There are more eyes watching him now than ever. He will not be allowed to hold court spilling all he knows about the very top secrets we have left to another country. That plane deviates away after being warned will be brought down.