'No Way To Prevent This,' says Only Nation Where This Regularly Happens

caliking

Terrible news. Posting here to highlight the stark difference in perspective re: gun laws, ownership… and deaths. 

https://www.cnn.com/2022/07/08/asia/japan-gun-laws-abe-shooting-intl-hnk/index.html

WildmanWilson

Ybabpmuts said:

WildmanWilson said:

Legume said:

Sigh.

So Wilson, where are you on mandatory background checks, mandatory education, training, testing/qualification?  Who can’t own a gun?  Is there an evil in their heart test?  Would you be ok with federal mandatory waiting periods, federal magazine capacity limits?  Would you be ok with designating some guns for hunting and others for sport shooting and self defense and having different rules?

We used to not have a background check and you could even order a gun to your door from Sears. Where were all the mass shootings? I'd love to see NRA classes taught in school to educate kids about guns. A waiting period would do nothing.

I hunt with ARs so what's your point? I also never saw a person under attack that wished they had a 5 round mag over a 30. I saw a story not long ago where 5 armed men broke into a mans house and he was able to defend himself with his AR and high capacity mag. Also did you look up the VT shooting and the weapons used? Its not hard to walk into a school room and shoot 30 setting ducks with a couple of handguns. You can drop a mag and be ready to shoot in a matter of seconds. Plus, just because you take my 30 round mag doesn't mean the criminals will all run to turn theirs in. Somehow you guys must trust criminals to do the right thing every time.

You could order a house from Sears at one time too. I'm not sure what your point is regarding that, but it's worth noting that it's hard to bring a whole house to a school and shoot anybody with it, because they could see you coming from blocks away. Also, schools made their doors smaller than houses years ago, for this very reason.

What kind of school has thirty setting ducks. I've seen ducks in all sorts of settings but I didn't realize they had to go to school for it, or that ducks in their schools are segregated into how many settings they can learn. I guess it makes some sense to have all the ducks that are capable of learning so many settings all together like that. I'm wondering though, since you seem to be a hunter, are thirty setting ducks harder to hunt because they've learned all those settings, and therefore have more places to hide? It's true isn't it and that's why you hunt with an assault rifle? 

Lastly, you've been watching too many old gangster films. Nobody wraps their guns in magazines anymore, so they can just "drop the magazine and start shooting". At some point the magazines got too small or the guns too big and wouldn't completely hide the guns anymore, so the magazines stopped being used in this way. Since you seem to cling to this outdated idea, and you have that assault rifle you use for "hunting" I suggest you use butcher paper, that's seems appropriate.

You made probable the two dumbest post I've ever seen. I didn't even read farther to see if you topped them yet. A magazine is what holds the bullets. I'm sure you call it a clip if you even know that. I got a chuckle....

JohnInCarolina

Good grief.

caliking

WildmanWilson said:

Ybabpmuts said:

WildmanWilson said:

Legume said:

Sigh.

So Wilson, where are you on mandatory background checks, mandatory education, training, testing/qualification?  Who can’t own a gun?  Is there an evil in their heart test?  Would you be ok with federal mandatory waiting periods, federal magazine capacity limits?  Would you be ok with designating some guns for hunting and others for sport shooting and self defense and having different rules?

We used to not have a background check and you could even order a gun to your door from Sears. Where were all the mass shootings? I'd love to see NRA classes taught in school to educate kids about guns. A waiting period would do nothing.

I hunt with ARs so what's your point? I also never saw a person under attack that wished they had a 5 round mag over a 30. I saw a story not long ago where 5 armed men broke into a mans house and he was able to defend himself with his AR and high capacity mag. Also did you look up the VT shooting and the weapons used? Its not hard to walk into a school room and shoot 30 setting ducks with a couple of handguns. You can drop a mag and be ready to shoot in a matter of seconds. Plus, just because you take my 30 round mag doesn't mean the criminals will all run to turn theirs in. Somehow you guys must trust criminals to do the right thing every time.

You could order a house from Sears at one time too. I'm not sure what your point is regarding that, but it's worth noting that it's hard to bring a whole house to a school and shoot anybody with it, because they could see you coming from blocks away. Also, schools made their doors smaller than houses years ago, for this very reason.

What kind of school has thirty setting ducks. I've seen ducks in all sorts of settings but I didn't realize they had to go to school for it, or that ducks in their schools are segregated into how many settings they can learn. I guess it makes some sense to have all the ducks that are capable of learning so many settings all together like that. I'm wondering though, since you seem to be a hunter, are thirty setting ducks harder to hunt because they've learned all those settings, and therefore have more places to hide? It's true isn't it and that's why you hunt with an assault rifle? 

Lastly, you've been watching too many old gangster films. Nobody wraps their guns in magazines anymore, so they can just "drop the magazine and start shooting". At some point the magazines got too small or the guns too big and wouldn't completely hide the guns anymore, so the magazines stopped being used in this way. Since you seem to cling to this outdated idea, and you have that assault rifle you use for "hunting" I suggest you use butcher paper, that's seems appropriate.

You made probable the two dumbest post I've ever seen. I didn't even read farther to see if you topped them yet. A magazine is what holds the bullets. I'm sure you call it a clip if you even know that. I got a chuckle....

That whooshing sound...

dmchicago

Ybabpmuts

Well, I thought I made some good points in there, three of them to be exact.

SB

The Cen-Tex Smoker

My God. 

Botch

 
kinda spot-on...

dmchicago

JFC

JohnInCarolina

dmchicago said:

JFC

They are being criticized for that but were I one of the parents of those who died, I’m not sure I could bear the sound of my own little one calling out for Mommy or Daddy.  

This whole thing is just absolutely awful.  I hope the local cops are held accountable for some of this, but I’m not optimistic.

dmchicago

Yeah I would not be able to hear that. But I would have liked to hear the sound of the response team planning their entry and subsequent breaching of the door. Instead we get a guy using hand sanitizer. 

lousubcap

I understand why it was edited.  The downside is that the true violent outcome is now sanitized, same with no video of the immediate carnage in the room.
I think the spineless law makers need to see and hear the carnage that any mass shooting creates.  That may be the only way to get them to do more in the way of gun reform, like returning to the assault weapons ban at a minimum.   

nolaegghead

In my opinion, news should show the actual horror of war, mass shootings, avoidable accidents.  Many countries don't censor footage like we do.  We need to own up to the reality that we allow to occur daily in the US.  .223 and other  bullets are designed for war to cause maximum trauma.  Lets take off the blinders and see what really happens. 

I'm not saying make it gratuitous, but enough to know why we needed to use DNA to identify bodies.

Hearing a report of X people shot has become so common, we are becoming numb and conditioned to the frequency this happens.

Same with war, famine, poverty, etc.  Let's grow up. 

BTW - I can't see any video above, just that Editor's Note.

JohnInCarolina

http://twitter.com/Acyn/status/1547386184258662400?s=20&t=3IldPplEnqoJyTbBgjALmg

Canugghead

Wonder if anonymous voting would have changed the outcome.

lousubcap

While a bit dated, the below youtube video (part one linked and it rolls to part two) is a good watch.  The points are as applicable as when this was made.  It is Friday:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0rR9IaXH1M0 

WildmanWilson

nolaegghead said:

In my opinion, news should show the actual horror of war, mass shootings, avoidable accidents.  Many countries don't censor footage like we do.  We need to own up to the reality that we allow to occur daily in the US.  .223 and other  bullets are designed for war to cause maximum trauma.  Lets take off the blinders and see what really happens. 

I'm not saying make it gratuitous, but enough to know why we needed to use DNA to identify bodies.

Hearing a report of X people shot has become so common, we are becoming numb and conditioned to the frequency this happens.

Same with war, famine, poverty, etc.  Let's grow up. 

BTW - I can't see any video above, just that Editor's Note.

Many are too woke to be called by the wrong pronoun. Do you really think they are ready for anything being that graphic?

You lack any knowledge of firearms. Don't feel bad, many do. The .223 and .556 are not made for maximum trauma. The ones used are usually always full metal jacket that actually reduce trauma.  A small 9mm with a hollow point is more devastating. The .223 and .556 are illegal to deer hunt in many places because they are/were thought to be too small. A .270 and 30-06 are hunting calibers that are much more deadly. Its not to say that any bullet shot into someone's body will not kill and do damage. Even a small rimfire like a .22 hollow point will explode/expand and do great damage. 

I've already shown that past mass shooting did great damage with just handguns and other weapons other than ARs. You want to place your aggression on a type of bullet/gun rather than the real issue at hand. 

What happens when the ARs are gone and you still see 20 people shot with shotguns or handguns? More bans? More laws?

More discussions need to happen. Lets talk about mental illness and bullying. About how social media could be making it worse. How we can do more to keep these evil people out to start with. Lets get off the one track subject of ARs being the issue. 

HeavyG

Gotta love it when somebody tells someone they lack firearms knowledge and then calls something .556 rather than the correct 5.56.

JohnInCarolina

WildmanWilson said:

nolaegghead said:

In my opinion, news should show the actual horror of war, mass shootings, avoidable accidents.  Many countries don't censor footage like we do.  We need to own up to the reality that we allow to occur daily in the US.  .223 and other  bullets are designed for war to cause maximum trauma.  Lets take off the blinders and see what really happens. 

I'm not saying make it gratuitous, but enough to know why we needed to use DNA to identify bodies.

Hearing a report of X people shot has become so common, we are becoming numb and conditioned to the frequency this happens.

Same with war, famine, poverty, etc.  Let's grow up. 

BTW - I can't see any video above, just that Editor's Note.

Many are too woke to be called by the wrong pronoun. Do you really think they are ready for anything being that graphic?

You lack any knowledge of firearms. Don't feel bad, many do. The .223 and .556 are not made for maximum trauma. The ones used are usually always full metal jacket that actually reduce trauma.  A small 9mm with a hollow point is more devastating. The .223 and .556 are illegal to deer hunt in many places because they are/were thought to be too small. A .270 and 30-06 are hunting calibers that are much more deadly. Its not to say that any bullet shot into someone's body will not kill and do damage. Even a small rimfire like a .22 hollow point will explode/expand and do great damage. 

I've already shown that past mass shooting did great damage with just handguns and other weapons other than ARs. You want to place your aggression on a type of bullet/gun rather than the real issue at hand. 

What happens when the ARs are gone and you still see 20 people shot with shotguns or handguns? More bans? More laws?

More discussions need to happen. Lets talk about mental illness and bullying. About how social media could be making it worse. How we can do more to keep these evil people out to start with. Lets get off the one track subject of ARs being the issue. 

Bravo.  You really could not be more clueless about some of the members here if you tried.  

lousubcap

As i wrote in an earlier post on this thread, if the solution were easy it would have been done.  I'm no lawyer here or into the nuances of some legalese but universal background checks for any sale (ie like car registration and sale) the new owner has to take documented ownership.  How about chipping newly manufactured fire arms and pairing the chip to a registration.
Restoring the assault weapons ban that expired in 2004.  
What about a holding period between purchase and possession to enable big data to at least give the buyer a once over.  
Why are some hard-over gun rights activists pushing so hard against enhancing the requirements for ownership?  Seems counter-intuitive to me.
Of course, let's not address the well trained militia part of the second amendment.  Clearly to do the training you have to know who owns the guns...
 I will give you the mental health part of the discussion, but without the gun the mental health issue is moot in this instance.  Off Friday soap-box on this topic. 

JohnInCarolina

http://twitter.com/FrankFigliuzzi1/status/1547989205237739522?s=20&t=rT02QWJJa4hiCaOPGRiAxg

The Cen-Tex Smoker

lousubcap said:

I understand why it was edited.  The downside is that the true violent outcome is now sanitized, same with no video of the immediate carnage in the room.
I think the spineless law makers need to see and hear the carnage that any mass shooting creates.  That may be the only way to get them to do more in the way of gun reform, like returning to the assault weapons ban at a minimum.   

At the very least, every elected state and federal official should have to watch it start to finish. Every last one of them. Several a week. See how that plays out. 

WildmanWilson

JohnInCarolina said:

WildmanWilson said:

nolaegghead said:

In my opinion, news should show the actual horror of war, mass shootings, avoidable accidents.  Many countries don't censor footage like we do.  We need to own up to the reality that we allow to occur daily in the US.  .223 and other  bullets are designed for war to cause maximum trauma.  Lets take off the blinders and see what really happens. 

I'm not saying make it gratuitous, but enough to know why we needed to use DNA to identify bodies.

Hearing a report of X people shot has become so common, we are becoming numb and conditioned to the frequency this happens.

Same with war, famine, poverty, etc.  Let's grow up. 

BTW - I can't see any video above, just that Editor's Note.

Many are too woke to be called by the wrong pronoun. Do you really think they are ready for anything being that graphic?

You lack any knowledge of firearms. Don't feel bad, many do. The .223 and .556 are not made for maximum trauma. The ones used are usually always full metal jacket that actually reduce trauma.  A small 9mm with a hollow point is more devastating. The .223 and .556 are illegal to deer hunt in many places because they are/were thought to be too small. A .270 and 30-06 are hunting calibers that are much more deadly. Its not to say that any bullet shot into someone's body will not kill and do damage. Even a small rimfire like a .22 hollow point will explode/expand and do great damage. 

I've already shown that past mass shooting did great damage with just handguns and other weapons other than ARs. You want to place your aggression on a type of bullet/gun rather than the real issue at hand. 

What happens when the ARs are gone and you still see 20 people shot with shotguns or handguns? More bans? More laws?

More discussions need to happen. Lets talk about mental illness and bullying. About how social media could be making it worse. How we can do more to keep these evil people out to start with. Lets get off the one track subject of ARs being the issue. 

Bravo.  You really could not be more clueless about some of the members here if you tried.  

Some members maybe. Some dead on. Its not hard to tell someone is full of crap when they try to talk about something they know nothing about. You see the leftwing media doing it all the time. You parrot much of it. 

JohnInCarolina

WildmanWilson said:

JohnInCarolina said:

WildmanWilson said:

nolaegghead said:

In my opinion, news should show the actual horror of war, mass shootings, avoidable accidents.  Many countries don't censor footage like we do.  We need to own up to the reality that we allow to occur daily in the US.  .223 and other  bullets are designed for war to cause maximum trauma.  Lets take off the blinders and see what really happens. 

I'm not saying make it gratuitous, but enough to know why we needed to use DNA to identify bodies.

Hearing a report of X people shot has become so common, we are becoming numb and conditioned to the frequency this happens.

Same with war, famine, poverty, etc.  Let's grow up. 

BTW - I can't see any video above, just that Editor's Note.

Many are too woke to be called by the wrong pronoun. Do you really think they are ready for anything being that graphic?

You lack any knowledge of firearms. Don't feel bad, many do. The .223 and .556 are not made for maximum trauma. The ones used are usually always full metal jacket that actually reduce trauma.  A small 9mm with a hollow point is more devastating. The .223 and .556 are illegal to deer hunt in many places because they are/were thought to be too small. A .270 and 30-06 are hunting calibers that are much more deadly. Its not to say that any bullet shot into someone's body will not kill and do damage. Even a small rimfire like a .22 hollow point will explode/expand and do great damage. 

I've already shown that past mass shooting did great damage with just handguns and other weapons other than ARs. You want to place your aggression on a type of bullet/gun rather than the real issue at hand. 

What happens when the ARs are gone and you still see 20 people shot with shotguns or handguns? More bans? More laws?

More discussions need to happen. Lets talk about mental illness and bullying. About how social media could be making it worse. How we can do more to keep these evil people out to start with. Lets get off the one track subject of ARs being the issue. 

Bravo.  You really could not be more clueless about some of the members here if you tried.  

Some members maybe. Some dead on. Its not hard to tell someone is full of crap when they try to talk about something they know nothing about. You see the leftwing media doing it all the time. You parrot much of it. 

Dude you literally accused someone who probably owns more firearms than you do of lacking any knowledge about firearms.  Maybe buy a friggin clue.

WildmanWilson

lousubcap said:

As i wrote in an earlier post on this thread, if the solution were easy it would have been done.  I'm no lawyer here or into the nuances of some legalese but universal background checks for any sale (ie like car registration and sale) the new owner has to take documented ownership.  How about chipping newly manufactured fire arms and pairing the chip to a registration.
Restoring the assault weapons ban that expired in 2004.  
What about a holding period between purchase and possession to enable big data to at least give the buyer a once over.  
Why are some hard-over gun rights activists pushing so hard against enhancing the requirements for ownership?  Seems counter-intuitive to me.
Of course, let's not address the well trained militia part of the second amendment.  Clearly to do the training you have to know who owns the guns...
 I will give you the mental health part of the discussion, but without the gun the mental health issue is moot in this instance.  Off Friday soap-box on this topic. 

A gun registry will lead to confiscation.  The ban does nothing. Its been tried and even if you take them all its just as easy for someone to kill large numbers with other guns. That's already happened numbers times. A waiting period also does nothing. So what if they must wait another week or month to carry out their plan? Most all the people that do these mass shootings passed background checks. Some of these shooters were already on a list or had issues with police at some point. They did not do enough to have their rights taken at that point though. You can't take peoples rights away on a hunch. Some of these people were never on a radar so what do you do about them?

I've talked before about the fact we had no background checks not so long ago and it wasn't an issue. There were no more shooting then and probable less. Anyone will get a gun if they want. There are close to 400 million in ownership now. They aren't going away. Criminals aren't giving them up.

One thing I would like to see is the persons name or picture could never be released. I'm not sure most would carry these shooting out knowing no one would ever know who did it. They want the world to know who they are.

JohnInCarolina

WildmanWilson said:

lousubcap said:

As i wrote in an earlier post on this thread, if the solution were easy it would have been done.  I'm no lawyer here or into the nuances of some legalese but universal background checks for any sale (ie like car registration and sale) the new owner has to take documented ownership.  How about chipping newly manufactured fire arms and pairing the chip to a registration.
Restoring the assault weapons ban that expired in 2004.  
What about a holding period between purchase and possession to enable big data to at least give the buyer a once over.  
Why are some hard-over gun rights activists pushing so hard against enhancing the requirements for ownership?  Seems counter-intuitive to me.
Of course, let's not address the well trained militia part of the second amendment.  Clearly to do the training you have to know who owns the guns...
 I will give you the mental health part of the discussion, but without the gun the mental health issue is moot in this instance.  Off Friday soap-box on this topic. 

A gun registry will lead to confiscation.  

You mean just like how the government is confiscating personal vehicles?  

The Cen-Tex Smoker

JohnInCarolina said:

WildmanWilson said:

JohnInCarolina said:

WildmanWilson said:

nolaegghead said:

In my opinion, news should show the actual horror of war, mass shootings, avoidable accidents.  Many countries don't censor footage like we do.  We need to own up to the reality that we allow to occur daily in the US.  .223 and other  bullets are designed for war to cause maximum trauma.  Lets take off the blinders and see what really happens. 

I'm not saying make it gratuitous, but enough to know why we needed to use DNA to identify bodies.

Hearing a report of X people shot has become so common, we are becoming numb and conditioned to the frequency this happens.

Same with war, famine, poverty, etc.  Let's grow up. 

BTW - I can't see any video above, just that Editor's Note.

Many are too woke to be called by the wrong pronoun. Do you really think they are ready for anything being that graphic?

You lack any knowledge of firearms. Don't feel bad, many do. The .223 and .556 are not made for maximum trauma. The ones used are usually always full metal jacket that actually reduce trauma.  A small 9mm with a hollow point is more devastating. The .223 and .556 are illegal to deer hunt in many places because they are/were thought to be too small. A .270 and 30-06 are hunting calibers that are much more deadly. Its not to say that any bullet shot into someone's body will not kill and do damage. Even a small rimfire like a .22 hollow point will explode/expand and do great damage. 

I've already shown that past mass shooting did great damage with just handguns and other weapons other than ARs. You want to place your aggression on a type of bullet/gun rather than the real issue at hand. 

What happens when the ARs are gone and you still see 20 people shot with shotguns or handguns? More bans? More laws?

More discussions need to happen. Lets talk about mental illness and bullying. About how social media could be making it worse. How we can do more to keep these evil people out to start with. Lets get off the one track subject of ARs being the issue. 

Bravo.  You really could not be more clueless about some of the members here if you tried.  

Some members maybe. Some dead on. Its not hard to tell someone is full of crap when they try to talk about something they know nothing about. You see the leftwing media doing it all the time. You parrot much of it. 

Dude you literally accused someone who probably owns more firearms than you do of lacking any knowledge about firearms.  Maybe buy a friggin clue.

The quonset ain't gonna protect itself. 

WildmanWilson

JohnInCarolina said:

WildmanWilson said:

JohnInCarolina said:

WildmanWilson said:

nolaegghead said:

In my opinion, news should show the actual horror of war, mass shootings, avoidable accidents.  Many countries don't censor footage like we do.  We need to own up to the reality that we allow to occur daily in the US.  .223 and other  bullets are designed for war to cause maximum trauma.  Lets take off the blinders and see what really happens. 

I'm not saying make it gratuitous, but enough to know why we needed to use DNA to identify bodies.

Hearing a report of X people shot has become so common, we are becoming numb and conditioned to the frequency this happens.

Same with war, famine, poverty, etc.  Let's grow up. 

BTW - I can't see any video above, just that Editor's Note.

Many are too woke to be called by the wrong pronoun. Do you really think they are ready for anything being that graphic?

You lack any knowledge of firearms. Don't feel bad, many do. The .223 and .556 are not made for maximum trauma. The ones used are usually always full metal jacket that actually reduce trauma.  A small 9mm with a hollow point is more devastating. The .223 and .556 are illegal to deer hunt in many places because they are/were thought to be too small. A .270 and 30-06 are hunting calibers that are much more deadly. Its not to say that any bullet shot into someone's body will not kill and do damage. Even a small rimfire like a .22 hollow point will explode/expand and do great damage. 

I've already shown that past mass shooting did great damage with just handguns and other weapons other than ARs. You want to place your aggression on a type of bullet/gun rather than the real issue at hand. 

What happens when the ARs are gone and you still see 20 people shot with shotguns or handguns? More bans? More laws?

More discussions need to happen. Lets talk about mental illness and bullying. About how social media could be making it worse. How we can do more to keep these evil people out to start with. Lets get off the one track subject of ARs being the issue. 

Bravo.  You really could not be more clueless about some of the members here if you tried.  

Some members maybe. Some dead on. Its not hard to tell someone is full of crap when they try to talk about something they know nothing about. You see the leftwing media doing it all the time. You parrot much of it. 

Dude you literally accused someone who probably owns more firearms than you do of lacking any knowledge about firearms.  Maybe buy a friggin clue.

You better own a gun store. Lol. 

WildmanWilson

Look what came in today!! Come over and I’ll teach you how to shoot and not be afraid of those black guns. 

Ybabpmuts

Magazines?