'No Way To Prevent This,' says Only Nation Where This Regularly Happens

Botch

caliking said:

I'll admit to not following the "after the fact" reports of the Uvalde tragedy.

After reading the titles, all I hear is the screams of children who could only be identified by DNA, and the anguished cries of their parents. 

I can't deal with it. 

The titles in the post just above yours don't mention the real brunt of the report released today: they put the blame on ALL police forces: local, state, federal, and Nat'l Guard.  And CBS News tonight stated there were over 370 armed personnel at the scene.  (I find that one hard to believe)   

dmchicago

https://www.kxan.com/stop-mass-shootings/uvalde-shooting-investigation/systemic-failures-in-uvalde-shooting-went-far-beyond-local-police-texas-house-report-details/

376 it says here. 

HeavyG

https://twitter.com/normative/status/1548802719867179009

The Cen-Tex Smoker

For those of you saying that armed guards or armed teachers are the answer- there were 400 police officers on campus before they tried to breach the (unlocked) door. 

https://abcnews.go.com/US/wireStory/report-findings-reveal-400-officers-uvalde-elementary-school-86972927

And for those of you who do not feel ABC is a reliable news source, you can check wsj, daily wire, or anywhere else you get your medicine. 

fishlessman

 i remember when this was a much more friendly place and we had 1, just 1 tweeve acount going around.  now its more like tweeve accounts gone wild

dmchicago

"the only way to stop a bad guy with a troll account is a good guy with a troll account!"

-JIC, probably.

WildmanWilson

Well it seem a good guy with a gun stopped a mass shooter in Indiana. The citizen shot and killed him before it could get worse. He probable save numerous lives. But we know you libs hate good guys with a gun as much if not more than the criminal.

Legume

Right on schedule.

littlerascal56

Thank God that 22 year old good samaritan was able to terminate that shooter so quickly.  Otherwise a lot of people would be dead.

Legume

WildmanWilson said:

Well it seem a good guy with a gun stopped a mass shooter in Indiana. The citizen shot and killed him before it could get worse. He probable save numerous lives. But we know you libs hate good guys with a gun as much if not more than the criminal.

“You libs hate…”  hahaha.  Keep working it.

I have no problem with licensed carry - but the new, wide open carry laws in some states are not common sense based, they’re grandstanding reactions from some right wing politicians pandering to the gun nut crowd that they’ve convinced are going to have their guns taken away in the ultimate battle of good v evil that will determine…well, nothing actually.  But y’all buy in, so they get the votes they want and the donations they want.

It shouldn’t be easier than getting a license to drive.  I’ve never heard a decent argument against that.

Legume

Legume

The “only” way, lol.  Does the NRA have any interest in stoking gun use and ownership?

Legume

littlerascal56 said:

Thank God that 22 year old good samaritan was able to terminate that shooter so quickly.  Otherwise a lot of people would be dead.

You’re not going to get the arguments here you think you are.  What you seem to miss is that this is not the only or the best solution.  It’s not a strategy.

RealDonaldTrump

If only they would have put a sticker on the mall door that said ‘no guns allowed’. 

Thankful for the good guy with a gun that saved a lot of lives 

The Cen-Tex Smoker

Oh boy. Ha ha. Buckle up. 

Botch

Beau had a different take on the Texas report, something I wouldn't have thought of: by blaming everyone involved, it completely diffuses any accountability.
 
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rqmPXdWls2E

JohnInCarolina

It’s pretty idiotic to make a “good guy with a gun” argument in light of this recent mall shooting, when we just had 400 “good guys” with guns in Uvalde who let innocent kids bleed out because they were too afraid of getting shot by the one bad guy.  But you do you I suppose.

JohnInCarolina

Botch said:

Beau had a different take on the Texas report, something I wouldn't have thought of: by blaming everyone involved, it completely diffuses any accountability.
 
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rqmPXdWls2E

I had the same thought as soon as I saw the headline.

fiber_induced_deuce

I read somewhere that Wildman has a little peen and a jacked up truck.

I don’t believe it, it’s just what I read.

WildmanWilson

JohnInCarolina said:

It’s pretty idiotic to make a “good guy with a gun” argument in light of this recent mall shooting, when we just had 400 “good guys” with guns in Uvalde who let innocent kids bleed out because they were too afraid of getting shot by the one bad guy.  But you do you I suppose.

You unknowingly made an argument for citizens to carry. It proves you can not wait for the police to save you. You libs used to tell gun owners to just let police handle it and we didn’t need to pack. The police don’t even have a duty to protect you as an individual. The courts even ruled on this. Oh course this was before all of you wanted to defund the police and want counselors to save people instead. 

WildmanWilson

RealDonaldTrump said:

If only they would have put a sticker on the mall door that said ‘no guns allowed’. 

Thankful for the good guy with a gun that saved a lot of lives
What more proof do we need to show someone wanting to harm others don’t follow gun free zone laws. If a business will not allow people to pack they should be responsible for security.  

WildmanWilson

Legume said:

WildmanWilson said:

Well it seem a good guy with a gun stopped a mass shooter in Indiana. The citizen shot and killed him before it could get worse. He probable save numerous lives. But we know you libs hate good guys with a gun as much if not more than the criminal.

“You libs hate…”  hahaha.  Keep working it.

I have no problem with licensed carry - but the new, wide open carry laws in some states are not common sense based, they’re grandstanding reactions from some right wing politicians pandering to the gun nut crowd that they’ve convinced are going to have their guns taken away in the ultimate battle of good v evil that will determine…well, nothing actually.  But y’all buy in, so they get the votes they want and the donations they want.

It shouldn’t be easier than getting a license to drive.  I’ve never heard a decent argument against that.

You must have missed the part about “ shall not infringe “. We are seeing more states implement constitutional carry laws. Why aren’t you seeing homicide numbers exposed under the new regulations?

Driving a car is a privilege. Owning a gun is a right guaranteed by the Constitution. 

fishlessman

RealDonaldTrump said:

If only they would have put a sticker on the mall door that said ‘no guns allowed’. 

Thankful for the good guy with a gun that saved a lot of lives 

so far so good at this place

Legume

WildmanWilson said:

Legume said:

WildmanWilson said:

Well it seem a good guy with a gun stopped a mass shooter in Indiana. The citizen shot and killed him before it could get worse. He probable save numerous lives. But we know you libs hate good guys with a gun as much if not more than the criminal.

“You libs hate…”  hahaha.  Keep working it.

I have no problem with licensed carry - but the new, wide open carry laws in some states are not common sense based, they’re grandstanding reactions from some right wing politicians pandering to the gun nut crowd that they’ve convinced are going to have their guns taken away in the ultimate battle of good v evil that will determine…well, nothing actually.  But y’all buy in, so they get the votes they want and the donations they want.

It shouldn’t be easier than getting a license to drive.  I’ve never heard a decent argument against that.

You must have missed the part about “ shall not infringe “. We are seeing more states implement constitutional carry laws. Why aren’t you seeing homicide numbers exposed under the new regulations?

Driving a car is a privilege. Owning a gun is a right guaranteed by the Constitution. 

So you believe n an absolute/literal reading of this, correct?

You believe any background checks, any age limitations, any limitations on capability (eg full auto, bazookas, mortars, hand grenades, etc.), any restrictions at all, are unconstitutional.  Is that correct, or where do you draw the line?

lousubcap

What about the well regulated militia part??  "A well regulated Militia, being necessary to the security of a free State, the right of the people to keep and bear Arms, shall not be infringed." 
Seems to me gun owners need to become part of a well regulated militia...

Legume

Anyone correct me if I’m wrong, but even first amendment has practical limitations to free speech, doesn’t it?  Falsely yelling fire in a theater, etc.

nolaegghead

Gun manufacturers, paramilitary fan boys and other shills push out massive numbers of firearms over the last few decades until there are so many gun crimes, suicides, accidental shootings, practically the entire population has some form of PTSD and the national zeitgeist with school kids grow up with significant fear it will happen to them.  Then they push the argument YOU need a gun to protect yourself from everyone else (seemingly everyone) who has a gun.

Bottom line - we've created a violent, outlier first world country with the means to destabilize itself. 

Oh well.  I guess there will be plenty of need for them with the imminent diaspora from desertification.  Texas will be like Saudi Arabia - kind of already is with the Sharia Christian law.   Freefuckindom.

Buckwoody Egger

I think “how the internet and social media have been going” is a good example of what happens with widespread access and little to no emphasis on training and governance. 

JohnInCarolina

http://twitter.com/4everNeverTrump/status/1549791608383553536?s=20&t=7_GolVkgwmVQ_cR8KkNedA

The Cen-Tex Smoker

So, the interesting part is the hero was carrying illegally. I’m glad he was but it does kind of shoot holes in the “only bad guys break gun laws” theory.  Thoughts?