'No Way To Prevent This,' says Only Nation Where This Regularly Happens

DoubleEgger

ColbyLang said:

DoubleEgger said:

@ColbyLang

https://ohiocapitaljournal.com/2022/06/15/did-the-assault-weapons-ban-of-1994-bring-down-mass-shootings-heres-what-the-data-tells-us/

I’m not saying reform isn’t the answer. I’m saying broad stroke reform gets us no where. You can’t come up and ban all semi autos. You have to have specifics. The gun industry is very good at finding the loopholes. You wanna know why they sell so many AR’s or MSRs as they’re now called? Marketing

This particular piece of legislation did not ban all types of semi automatic weapons. Just certain assault type weapons. “Specifics” as you call them. The legislation had a clear, undeniable positive effect on mass shooting. 

I’m sure that gun manufacturers tried to find loopholes when the legislation came into effect but the net overall was a reduction in mass shootings. 

As for marketing, that can easily be stopped just like the cigarette ads we all saw as kids. 

JohnInCarolina

YukonRon

The second amendment is not a biblical commandment. Breaking down each sentence, will provide opportunity for better definition and opportunity to study for a stronger approach to lawfully owning firearms.

I support those who wish to instill change for our country and remain willing to abide by the law. I am a gun owner; in fact, I own several. I am also a lifelong registered republican (I have not voted Republican since Reagan shook hands with Falwell and brought the cult of evangelical hypocrisy into the GOP).

I am often reminded by those that oppose any changes in the philosophy of gun control; cars can kill people much more rapidly and efficiently than a gun. Which, yes, driving into a crowd will likely lead to such a scenario. however, they have yet to drive into a classroom to do so. Also, automobiles are registered you have to pass a drivers test, you have to have insurance, you must reapply for your license, and so much more, than you have with weapons. not a great argument for the sanctity of guns.

Standing back, believing nothing will change is ensuring nothing will change. I hope serious efforts are deployed, eventually get through the painful parts, and we move forward.

As long as the number 1 cause of death for our children is gun related, it should be a call to every citizen of the USA to jettison selfish attitudes, and strive for change, immediately.

fishlessman

YukonRon said:

The second amendment is not a biblical commandment. Breaking down each sentence, will provide opportunity for better definition and opportunity to study for a stronger approach to lawfully owning firearms.

I support those who wish to instill change for our country and remain willing to abide by the law. I am a gun owner; in fact, I own several. I am also a lifelong registered republican (I have not voted Republican since Reagan shook hands with Falwell and brought the cult of evangelical hypocrisy into the GOP).

I am often reminded by those that oppose any changes in the philosophy of gun control; cars can kill people much more rapidly and efficiently than a gun. Which, yes, driving into a crowd will likely lead to such a scenario. however, they have yet to drive into a classroom to do so. Also, automobiles are registered you have to pass a drivers test, you have to have insurance, you must reapply for your license, and so much more, than you have with weapons. not a great argument for the sanctity of guns.

Standing back, believing nothing will change is ensuring nothing will change. I hope serious efforts are deployed, eventually get through the painful parts, and we move forward.

As long as the number 1 cause of death for our children is gun related, it should be a call to every citizen of the USA to jettison selfish attitudes, and strive for change, immediately.

I don't own Guns but for ever reason this made me think of drones and self driving car bombs. Things will probably be worse in the not so distant future

Legume

Colorado doing something.

dbCooper

Legume said:

Colorado doing something.

@Legume - That is a forward thinking and rational measure on many levels.

Gulfcoastguy

And done on a state by state basis.

Legume

Gulfcoastguy said:

And done on a state by state basis.

Is that better? 

DoubleEgger

That’s the exact same thing that was done with cigarette tax money. I don’t remember voting to do it with the heaters. 

Legume

DoubleEgger said:

That’s the exact same thing that was done with cigarette tax money. I don’t remember voting to do it with the heaters. 

Shockingly, the constitution doesn't address cigarettes. Maybe Moses Mike can get started on addressing that.

DoubleEgger

Legume said:

DoubleEgger said:

That’s the exact same thing that was done with cigarette tax money. I don’t remember voting to do it with the heaters. 

Shockingly, the constitution doesn't address cigarettes. Maybe Moses Mike can get started on addressing that.

It doesn’t address taxing firearms either. 

fishlessman

Legume said:

Colorado doing something.

wonder if they play games there with the questions....massachusetts will do a write-up that you cant read at the polls. a yes answer may be.....yes, we will not do this its all in the fine print

Legume

fishlessman said:

Legume said:

Colorado doing something.

wonder if they play games there with the questions....massachusetts will do a write-up that you cant read at the polls. a yes answer may be.....yes, we will not do this its all in the fine print

So, is it you doing the write ups for Mass ballots?

In my experience in Colorado, what is on the ballot isn't always enough to understand what you're voting on, but the official voter guide can help and usually I just hit the internet and find the resources that report on which organizations are for the bill, which aren't and what their positions are.

DoubleEgger

In Georgia, the proponents get to write the questions so they are heavily biased. 

fishlessman

Legume said:

fishlessman said:

Legume said:

Colorado doing something.

wonder if they play games there with the questions....massachusetts will do a write-up that you cant read at the polls. a yes answer may be.....yes, we will not do this its all in the fine print

So, is it you doing the write ups for Mass ballots?

In my experience in Colorado, what is on the ballot isn't always enough to understand what you're voting on, but the official voter guide can help and usually I just hit the internet and find the resources that report on which organizations are for the bill, which aren't and what their positions are.

A vote for yes is a no, a no is a yes, and a vote for trump is for Harris😁

lousubcap

@Legume completely captured the obfuscation with any ballot amendment prose.  No chance any would offer in layman terms so the voter could get it on the first read.  Unless a very sensitive issue most voters don't care or will pass. 
Besides here in fly over country the amendments are hidden on page 2.   

fishlessman

fishlessman said:

Legume said:

fishlessman said:

Legume said:

Colorado doing something.

wonder if they play games there with the questions....massachusetts will do a write-up that you cant read at the polls. a yes answer may be.....yes, we will not do this its all in the fine print

So, is it you doing the write ups for Mass ballots?

In my experience in Colorado, what is on the ballot isn't always enough to understand what you're voting on, but the official voter guide can help and usually I just hit the internet and find the resources that report on which organizations are for the bill, which aren't and what their positions are.

A vote for yes is a no, a no is a yes, and a vote for trump is for Harris😁

Vanilla capitalized Harris and not trump.  Hmmm

JohnInCarolina

fishlessman said:

fishlessman said:

Legume said:

fishlessman said:

Legume said:

Colorado doing something.

wonder if they play games there with the questions....massachusetts will do a write-up that you cant read at the polls. a yes answer may be.....yes, we will not do this its all in the fine print

So, is it you doing the write ups for Mass ballots?

In my experience in Colorado, what is on the ballot isn't always enough to understand what you're voting on, but the official voter guide can help and usually I just hit the internet and find the resources that report on which organizations are for the bill, which aren't and what their positions are.

A vote for yes is a no, a no is a yes, and a vote for trump is for Harris😁

Vanilla capitalized Harris and not trump.  Hmmm

LMAO that ain’t Vanilla doing that my friend.  But here’s a hint: only one of them is also a verb.

Botch

fishlessman said:

fishlessman said:
Vanilla capitalized Harris and not trump.  Hmmm

Not just Vanilla, some of us hoomans too.  

fishlessman

JohnInCarolina said:

fishlessman said:

fishlessman said:

Legume said:

fishlessman said:

Legume said:

Colorado doing something.

wonder if they play games there with the questions....massachusetts will do a write-up that you cant read at the polls. a yes answer may be.....yes, we will not do this its all in the fine print

So, is it you doing the write ups for Mass ballots?

In my experience in Colorado, what is on the ballot isn't always enough to understand what you're voting on, but the official voter guide can help and usually I just hit the internet and find the resources that report on which organizations are for the bill, which aren't and what their positions are.

A vote for yes is a no, a no is a yes, and a vote for trump is for Harris😁

Vanilla capitalized Harris and not trump.  Hmmm

LMAO that ain’t Vanilla doing that my friend.  But here’s a hint: only one of them is also a verb.

  I would have thought google ai would have fixed that. I hate the fact I'm getting anything capitalized. 

JohnInCarolina

https://www.washingtonpost.com/nation/2024/11/08/illinois-assault-weapons-ban-unconstitutional/

The state should just pass a massive tax on the weapons, I’m not sure there’s another option that can limit their use.  Put the revenue into support for survivors of gun violence.

DoubleEgger

JohnInCarolina said:

https://www.washingtonpost.com/nation/2024/11/08/illinois-assault-weapons-ban-unconstitutional/

The state should just pass a massive tax on the weapons, I’m not sure there’s another option that can limit their use.  Put the revenue into support for survivors of gun violence.

It worked for cigarettes…