Trade war with China kicks into effect today.  Hold on to your hats folks, it’s going to be a bumpy ride.

Nice to see y'all care. 
I would imagine London politics are quite different from the rest of the UK.

It's friday so why not. Attention liberals, What is the end game if "liberals" have their Utopia?

Is it that we all get free everything and everyone can marry anything or anyone they want? That racism,bigotry,sexism somehow cease to exist? That "white privilege" suddenly turns to "colored privilege"? What is the honest desired end game? People on the extreme left and right are always whining about the other side. Lewis Black says it best: "Democrat or Republican, American Politics is a bowl of sh*t staring back at itself in the mirror" Please explain liberal utopia to this confused Libertarian....

TEXASBGE2018 said:

It's friday so why not. Attention liberals, What is the end game if "liberals" have their Utopia?

Is it that we all get free everything and everyone can marry anything or anyone they want? That racism,bigotry,sexism somehow cease to exist? That "white privilege" suddenly turns to "colored privilege"? What is the honest desired end game? People on the extreme left and right are always whining about the other side. Lewis Black says it best: "Democrat or Republican, American Politics is a bowl of sh*t staring back at itself in the mirror" Please explain liberal utopia to this confused Libertarian....

c'mon man. 

johnnyp said:

TEXASBGE2018 said:

It's friday so why not. Attention liberals, What is the end game if "liberals" have their Utopia?

Is it that we all get free everything and everyone can marry anything or anyone they want? That racism,bigotry,sexism somehow cease to exist? That "white privilege" suddenly turns to "colored privilege"? What is the honest desired end game? People on the extreme left and right are always whining about the other side. Lewis Black says it best: "Democrat or Republican, American Politics is a bowl of sh*t staring back at itself in the mirror" Please explain liberal utopia to this confused Libertarian....

c'mon man. 

I didn't start this. I am simply asking honest questions. I want to understand it.

Eoin said:

TEXASBGE2018 said:

It's friday so why not. Attention liberals, What is the end game if "liberals" have their Utopia?

Is it that we all get free everything and everyone can marry anything or anyone they want? That racism,bigotry,sexism somehow cease to exist? That "white privilege" suddenly turns to "colored privilege"? What is the honest desired end game? People on the extreme left and right are always whining about the other side. Lewis Black says it best: "Democrat or Republican, American Politics is a bowl of sh*t staring back at itself in the mirror" Please explain liberal utopia to this confused Libertarian....

Being socially liberal doesn't mean free stuff for everyone, you are confusing the use of the word here in Europe with your own definition.

Anyone can marry anyone? Why not, if that's their thing. As a libertarian you should support peoples' freedom to choose to do what they want.

Your assuming I don't support that. In fact I do. I have a gay brother. I love him dearly, he's my brother. I don't necessarily agree with the term marriage given that its a religious term. But I fully support my brother and his partner being able to have the same access to all legal benefits that marriage provides. In my opinion the government should stay out of marriage again given that its a religious thing. I don't care what you do in your bedroom as long as you don't try to force me, my wife or kids to join you.

TEXASBGE2018 said:

dmchicago said:

TEXASBGE2018 said:

It's friday so why not. Attention liberals, What is the end game if "liberals" have their Utopia?

Is it that we all get free everything and everyone can marry anything or anyone they want? That racism,bigotry,sexism somehow cease to exist? That "white privilege" suddenly turns to "colored privilege"? What is the honest desired end game? People on the extreme left and right are always whining about the other side. Lewis Black says it best: "Democrat or Republican, American Politics is a bowl of sh*t staring back at itself in the mirror" Please explain liberal utopia to this confused Libertarian....

I'm a Democrat. I'm not sure what a "liberal" is. At least these days where it seems to be used as an insult.

There is no "utopia" that I'm looking for or am aware of.

I don't want "free everything". For example Bernie's free college is a bad idea. I don't want to pay for other people's kids to go to college so they can work at Starbucks. I would be in favor of free Trade Schools. Or at least some assistance to help pay for it. We need more skilled tradesfolk, not Business Majors.

People...that's PEOPLE should be able to marry whomever they choose. I'm not aware of people wanting to marry a thing, at least not in large numbers.

Don't understand the "white privilege" remarks so can't comment.

And Lewis Black is funny as hell.

Again, I'm just listing some things I've heard others say. I'm asking the questions because I want to know. There has to be an end game for a political viewpoint so what is the liberal side. I'm well aware of the conservative side. I use liberal as a term not an insult. My brother is a liberal. I don't call him a liberal to insult him. He made fun of Ted Cruz the other day on the 4th of July and I laughed along with him because what he said was true and funny.

Then define "liberal" as you understand it.

johnnyp said:

TEXASBGE2018 said:

johnnyp said:

TEXASBGE2018 said:

It's friday so why not. Attention liberals, What is the end game if "liberals" have their Utopia?

Is it that we all get free everything and everyone can marry anything or anyone they want? That racism,bigotry,sexism somehow cease to exist? That "white privilege" suddenly turns to "colored privilege"? What is the honest desired end game? People on the extreme left and right are always whining about the other side. Lewis Black says it best: "Democrat or Republican, American Politics is a bowl of sh*t staring back at itself in the mirror" Please explain liberal utopia to this confused Libertarian....

c'mon man. 

I didn't start this. I am simply asking honest questions. I want to understand it.

you 100%  started this

No, the person that posted a thread about a giant trump balloon that looks like a baby with the statement "I love my city" and then others that made comments and provided links to articles are the ones who started it. I simply asked a question that clearly you got all butthurt about. I'm assuming because you either have no answers to the questions or if anyone has a counter point that you disagree with you get mad about it. I'm not being vulgar or mean. Maybe provide answers to my questions so I can better understand your point of view. Maybe provide the same response that you provided to me to the others on here that posted things. You won't I'm assuming because you agree with them. I'm not gonna be rude and argue others view today. I simply want to understand them.

TEXASBGE2018 said:

johnnyp said:

TEXASBGE2018 said:

johnnyp said:

TEXASBGE2018 said:

It's friday so why not. Attention liberals, What is the end game if "liberals" have their Utopia?

Is it that we all get free everything and everyone can marry anything or anyone they want? That racism,bigotry,sexism somehow cease to exist? That "white privilege" suddenly turns to "colored privilege"? What is the honest desired end game? People on the extreme left and right are always whining about the other side. Lewis Black says it best: "Democrat or Republican, American Politics is a bowl of sh*t staring back at itself in the mirror" Please explain liberal utopia to this confused Libertarian....

c'mon man. 

I didn't start this. I am simply asking honest questions. I want to understand it.

you 100%  started this

No, the person that posted a thread about a giant trump balloon that looks like a baby with the statement "I love my city" and then others that made comments and provided links to articles are the ones who started it. I simply asked a question that clearly you got all butthurt about. I'm assuming because you either have no answers to the questions or if anyone has a counter point that you disagree with you get mad about it. I'm not being vulgar or mean. Maybe provide answers to my questions so I can better understand your point of view. Maybe provide the same response that you provided to me to the others on here that posted things. You won't I'm assuming because you agree with them. I'm not gonna be rude and argue others view today. I simply want to understand them.

To be fair, your initial comment was a bit troll worthy. Not that I have a problem with that, just sayin' 

TEXASBGE2018 said:

dmchicago said:

TEXASBGE2018 said:

dmchicago said:

TEXASBGE2018 said:

It's friday so why not. Attention liberals, What is the end game if "liberals" have their Utopia?

Is it that we all get free everything and everyone can marry anything or anyone they want? That racism,bigotry,sexism somehow cease to exist? That "white privilege" suddenly turns to "colored privilege"? What is the honest desired end game? People on the extreme left and right are always whining about the other side. Lewis Black says it best: "Democrat or Republican, American Politics is a bowl of sh*t staring back at itself in the mirror" Please explain liberal utopia to this confused Libertarian....

I'm a Democrat. I'm not sure what a "liberal" is. At least these days where it seems to be used as an insult.

There is no "utopia" that I'm looking for or am aware of.

I don't want "free everything". For example Bernie's free college is a bad idea. I don't want to pay for other people's kids to go to college so they can work at Starbucks. I would be in favor of free Trade Schools. Or at least some assistance to help pay for it. We need more skilled tradesfolk, not Business Majors.

People...that's PEOPLE should be able to marry whomever they choose. I'm not aware of people wanting to marry a thing, at least not in large numbers.

Don't understand the "white privilege" remarks so can't comment.

And Lewis Black is funny as hell.

Again, I'm just listing some things I've heard others say. I'm asking the questions because I want to know. There has to be an end game for a political viewpoint so what is the liberal side. I'm well aware of the conservative side. I use liberal as a term not an insult. My brother is a liberal. I don't call him a liberal to insult him. He made fun of Ted Cruz the other day on the 4th of July and I laughed along with him because what he said was true and funny.

Then define "liberal" as you understand it.

A liberal as I understand it is someone who wants increased government regulation and increased government participation in the private lives of others. Someone who wants the government making decisions for people instead of them making decisions for themselves. Someone who discards traditional values. Someone who feels taxing people more to pay for the lack of effort of others is fine. Someone who feels a countries border is fluid and should be open to everyone and anyone to "better society". Someone who feels the Constitution is a living and breathing document that should be changed on the whim of what's trendy at the moment rather than appreciating it for what it is and interpreting it the way it was originally written. There also seems to be a very prominent "mob rule" mentality with people who are "liberal".  Are those enough examples?

How about a bit of dictionary action to clarify the word, rather than the general political use of that word in the US.

https://en.oxforddictionaries.com/definition/liberal

TEXASBGE2018 said:

dmchicago said:

TEXASBGE2018 said:

dmchicago said:

TEXASBGE2018 said:

It's friday so why not. Attention liberals, What is the end game if "liberals" have their Utopia?

Is it that we all get free everything and everyone can marry anything or anyone they want? That racism,bigotry,sexism somehow cease to exist? That "white privilege" suddenly turns to "colored privilege"? What is the honest desired end game? People on the extreme left and right are always whining about the other side. Lewis Black says it best: "Democrat or Republican, American Politics is a bowl of sh*t staring back at itself in the mirror" Please explain liberal utopia to this confused Libertarian....

I'm a Democrat. I'm not sure what a "liberal" is. At least these days where it seems to be used as an insult.

There is no "utopia" that I'm looking for or am aware of.

I don't want "free everything". For example Bernie's free college is a bad idea. I don't want to pay for other people's kids to go to college so they can work at Starbucks. I would be in favor of free Trade Schools. Or at least some assistance to help pay for it. We need more skilled tradesfolk, not Business Majors.

People...that's PEOPLE should be able to marry whomever they choose. I'm not aware of people wanting to marry a thing, at least not in large numbers.

Don't understand the "white privilege" remarks so can't comment.

And Lewis Black is funny as hell.

Again, I'm just listing some things I've heard others say. I'm asking the questions because I want to know. There has to be an end game for a political viewpoint so what is the liberal side. I'm well aware of the conservative side. I use liberal as a term not an insult. My brother is a liberal. I don't call him a liberal to insult him. He made fun of Ted Cruz the other day on the 4th of July and I laughed along with him because what he said was true and funny.

Then define "liberal" as you understand it.

A liberal as I understand it is someone who wants increased government regulation and increased government participation in the private lives of others. Someone who wants the government making decisions for people instead of them making decisions for themselves. Someone who discards traditional values. Someone who feels taxing people more to pay for the lack of effort of others is fine. Someone who feels a countries border is fluid and should be open to everyone and anyone to "better society". Someone who feels the Constitution is a living and breathing document that should be changed on the whim of what's trendy at the moment rather than appreciating it for what it is and interpreting it the way it was originally written. There also seems to be a very prominent "mob rule" mentality with people who are "liberal".  Are those enough examples?

Wow.

Eoin said:

How about a bit of dictionary action to clarify the word, rather than the general political use of that word in the US.

https://en.oxforddictionaries.com/definition/liberal

Fair enough. If I changed the word liberal to "socialist" would that be better? I agree that the word liberal is different in other places. dmchicago said earlier, most of the time its used as an insult. I didn't intend it that way. I honestly do want to understand that way of thinking. Because using logic I don't see any way that it ends well. We have enough current examples and historic examples that prove that being a "socialist" country will end in disaster. I simply want to know why people get so mad at Trump. I agree his way of expressing his opinion is not the most subtle but what exactly has he done (Done being the key word there) that is sooo unbelievably atrocious that people feel its appropriate to call him the next Hitler. Hitler, who ordered the extermination of millions of Jews. What has Trump actually done that would suggest he's heading down that path. And again, what would be the socialist end game??