Love my city

thetrim

Libs seems to be against every one else making money except for them.  The do as I say, not as I do party.

TEXASBGE2018

JohnInCarolina said:

TEXASBGE2018 said:

JohnInCarolina said:

TEXASBGE2018 said:

As far as College tuition goes, you are right. Its way too expensive. Given your profession then I suggest you remove being tenured and take a what I assume would be a large pay cut and get paid closer to what a high school teacher makes. Maybe if everyone else in that profession followed your footsteps college wouldn't cost $100,000. Also, on that note. College while expensive shouldn't be free. Because if its free then its close to useless. Its just the next step after High School. It makes it so everyone has it and therefore there is nothing special about it. There is no reason for a company to pay you more money for getting that extra education.

 You are absolutely right about this.  

I know I said I wouldn't comment but its completely over my head right now if you are joking or serious. Knowing your general reaction to me I figure you are joking. If you are joking, do you not agree that College Professors are in a lot of cases severely over paid? I know because its public record that 3 of my former college professors each make almost $300,000 a year. Those are on the high end obviously but pretty much all my professors made over $100,000 a year. That was just within the Economics Department. That is insane. That is a small part of the reason college is so expensive. People are paying for these large salaries for professors as well as coaches. Can that professor not work for $95,000 or even $100,000? Does that football coach need to make $3,000,000 a year? Maybe if large portions of the staff didn't make Top 1% income that would help make college be the price of the average car instead of the average house. Oh well, I'm stopping again.

When you pay for your overpriced cell phone, do you ever think to yourself “damn why can’t those Apple engineers take a pay cut so this thing is a little more affordable?!?!?”

I know that is the first thing that pops into my head.

Actually, I don't always think that but I do think, damn why does that CEO need to make $115 million this year. Could he not make say $20 million? I'll tell you at my job now we have dozens and dozens of engineers all making six figure incomes, very few of them should be making that kind of money given their lack of understanding of what I would think are pretty simple concepts. Like don't design a part without considering the need for customization when your customers are asking for it. But they got the big fancy engineering degrees from Texas A&M or Texas Tech. I'm all for making money, but there is a cut off point where it becomes just excessive.

thetrim

In their defense, I will say, it's hard to find two better and more giving guys around here than @JohnInCarolina and @nolaegghead. 

They're two totally lib nut jobs, but I genuinely enjoy spending time with them, when I get a chance.

nolaegghead

But...but....but if colleges and universities can more or less independently control what they pay their staff, it doesn't seem fair that TEXASBGE2018 doesn't have any input to reduce those salaries below the private market going rates!!! 

frazzdaddy

nolaegghead said:

http://radioopensource.org/college-budgets/

Good post, nothing like set of cold hard facts to make a point.

DMW

TEXASBGE2018 said:

JohnInCarolina said:

TEXASBGE2018 said:

JohnInCarolina said:

TEXASBGE2018 said:

As far as College tuition goes, you are right. Its way too expensive. Given your profession then I suggest you remove being tenured and take a what I assume would be a large pay cut and get paid closer to what a high school teacher makes. Maybe if everyone else in that profession followed your footsteps college wouldn't cost $100,000. Also, on that note. College while expensive shouldn't be free. Because if its free then its close to useless. Its just the next step after High School. It makes it so everyone has it and therefore there is nothing special about it. There is no reason for a company to pay you more money for getting that extra education.

 You are absolutely right about this.  

I know I said I wouldn't comment but its completely over my head right now if you are joking or serious. Knowing your general reaction to me I figure you are joking. If you are joking, do you not agree that College Professors are in a lot of cases severely over paid? I know because its public record that 3 of my former college professors each make almost $300,000 a year. Those are on the high end obviously but pretty much all my professors made over $100,000 a year. That was just within the Economics Department. That is insane. That is a small part of the reason college is so expensive. People are paying for these large salaries for professors as well as coaches. Can that professor not work for $95,000 or even $100,000? Does that football coach need to make $3,000,000 a year? Maybe if large portions of the staff didn't make Top 1% income that would help make college be the price of the average car instead of the average house. Oh well, I'm stopping again.

When you pay for your overpriced cell phone, do you ever think to yourself “damn why can’t those Apple engineers take a pay cut so this thing is a little more affordable?!?!?”

I know that is the first thing that pops into my head.

Actually, I don't always think that but I do think, damn why does that CEO need to make $115 million this year. Could he not make say $20 million? I'll tell you at my job now we have dozens and dozens of engineers all making six figure incomes, very few of them should be making that kind of money given their lack of understanding of what I would think are pretty simple concepts. Like don't design a part without considering the need for customization when your customers are asking for it. But they got the big fancy engineering degrees from Texas A&M or Texas Tech. I'm all for making money, but there is a cut off point where it becomes just excessive.

Time to implement central planning I guess.

JohnInCarolina

TEXASBGE2018 said:

JohnInCarolina said:

TEXASBGE2018 said:

JohnInCarolina said:

TEXASBGE2018 said:

As far as College tuition goes, you are right. Its way too expensive. Given your profession then I suggest you remove being tenured and take a what I assume would be a large pay cut and get paid closer to what a high school teacher makes. Maybe if everyone else in that profession followed your footsteps college wouldn't cost $100,000. Also, on that note. College while expensive shouldn't be free. Because if its free then its close to useless. Its just the next step after High School. It makes it so everyone has it and therefore there is nothing special about it. There is no reason for a company to pay you more money for getting that extra education.

 You are absolutely right about this.  

I know I said I wouldn't comment but its completely over my head right now if you are joking or serious. Knowing your general reaction to me I figure you are joking. If you are joking, do you not agree that College Professors are in a lot of cases severely over paid? I know because its public record that 3 of my former college professors each make almost $300,000 a year. Those are on the high end obviously but pretty much all my professors made over $100,000 a year. That was just within the Economics Department. That is insane. That is a small part of the reason college is so expensive. People are paying for these large salaries for professors as well as coaches. Can that professor not work for $95,000 or even $100,000? Does that football coach need to make $3,000,000 a year? Maybe if large portions of the staff didn't make Top 1% income that would help make college be the price of the average car instead of the average house. Oh well, I'm stopping again.

When you pay for your overpriced cell phone, do you ever think to yourself “damn why can’t those Apple engineers take a pay cut so this thing is a little more affordable?!?!?”

I know that is the first thing that pops into my head.

Actually, I don't always think that but I do think, damn why does that CEO need to make $115 million this year. Could he not make say $20 million? I'll tell you at my job now we have dozens and dozens of engineers all making six figure incomes, very few of them should be making that kind of money given their lack of understanding of what I would think are pretty simple concepts. Like don't design a part without considering the need for customization when your customers are asking for it. But they got the big fancy engineering degrees from Texas A&M or Texas Tech. I'm all for making money, but there is a cut off point where it becomes just excessive.

Don’t you have a degree in economics?  Were order of magnitude calculations not part of the curriculum for you?  Or was it only the engineers who got that one?

TEXASBGE2018

JohnInCarolina said:

Dwayne is trying to tell you that they are paid what the market will bear.  And he is right.

And dude, I hate to break this to you, but 25 profs making $300k a year doesn't actually add up to all that much money.  

Ya, I understand what he's saying. You are right 25 teachers making 7.5 million isn't a ton. But it does contribute. And if you have a football coach making 15 Million over 3 years and several thousand other total employees it all adds up pretty quickly. There are plenty of other reasons college costs way to much and as I said salary's are a small portion. A lot of things need to change to make college more affordable.

DMW

TEXASBGE2018 said:

JohnInCarolina said:

Dwayne is trying to tell you that they are paid what the market will bear.  And he is right.

And dude, I hate to break this to you, but 25 profs making $300k a year doesn't actually add up to all that much money.  

Ya, I understand what he's saying. You are right 25 teachers making 7.5 million isn't a ton. But it does contribute. And if you have a football coach making 15 Million over 3 years and several thousand other total employees it all adds up pretty quickly. There are plenty of other reasons college costs way to much and as I said salary's are a small portion. A lot of things need to change to make college more affordable.

You know, if you aren't making as much as them, you could always quit your job and get one of those other jobs. Or you could complain on a BBQ forum.

frazzdaddy

TEXASBGE2018 said:

JohnInCarolina said:

TEXASBGE2018 said:

JohnInCarolina said:

TEXASBGE2018 said:

As far as College tuition goes, you are right. Its way too expensive. Given your profession then I suggest you remove being tenured and take a what I assume would be a large pay cut and get paid closer to what a high school teacher makes. Maybe if everyone else in that profession followed your footsteps college wouldn't cost $100,000. Also, on that note. College while expensive shouldn't be free. Because if its free then its close to useless. Its just the next step after High School. It makes it so everyone has it and therefore there is nothing special about it. There is no reason for a company to pay you more money for getting that extra education.

 You are absolutely right about this.  

I know I said I wouldn't comment but its completely over my head right now if you are joking or serious. Knowing your general reaction to me I figure you are joking. If you are joking, do you not agree that College Professors are in a lot of cases severely over paid? I know because its public record that 3 of my former college professors each make almost $300,000 a year. Those are on the high end obviously but pretty much all my professors made over $100,000 a year. That was just within the Economics Department. That is insane. That is a small part of the reason college is so expensive. People are paying for these large salaries for professors as well as coaches. Can that professor not work for $95,000 or even $100,000? Does that football coach need to make $3,000,000 a year? Maybe if large portions of the staff didn't make Top 1% income that would help make college be the price of the average car instead of the average house. Oh well, I'm stopping again.

When you pay for your overpriced cell phone, do you ever think to yourself “damn why can’t those Apple engineers take a pay cut so this thing is a little more affordable?!?!?”

I know that is the first thing that pops into my head.

Actually, I don't always think that but I do think, damn why does that CEO need to make $115 million this year. Could he not make say $20 million? I'll tell you at my job now we have dozens and dozens of engineers all making six figure incomes, very few of them should be making that kind of money given their lack of understanding of what I would think are pretty simple concepts. Like don't design a part without considering the need for customization when your customers are asking for it. But they got the big fancy engineering degrees from Texas A&M or Texas Tech. I'm all for making money, but there is a cut off point where it becomes just excessive.

Careful, That could be construed as a pretty liberal statement.

nolaegghead

We need to make public colleges free to students who qualify by funding them enough and making them more efficient with more online options.   Private schools can keep doing whatever they want.  Countries that do this have a more educated work force (and electorate). 

DMW

frazzdaddy said:

TEXASBGE2018 said:

JohnInCarolina said:

TEXASBGE2018 said:

JohnInCarolina said:

TEXASBGE2018 said:

As far as College tuition goes, you are right. Its way too expensive. Given your profession then I suggest you remove being tenured and take a what I assume would be a large pay cut and get paid closer to what a high school teacher makes. Maybe if everyone else in that profession followed your footsteps college wouldn't cost $100,000. Also, on that note. College while expensive shouldn't be free. Because if its free then its close to useless. Its just the next step after High School. It makes it so everyone has it and therefore there is nothing special about it. There is no reason for a company to pay you more money for getting that extra education.

 You are absolutely right about this.  

I know I said I wouldn't comment but its completely over my head right now if you are joking or serious. Knowing your general reaction to me I figure you are joking. If you are joking, do you not agree that College Professors are in a lot of cases severely over paid? I know because its public record that 3 of my former college professors each make almost $300,000 a year. Those are on the high end obviously but pretty much all my professors made over $100,000 a year. That was just within the Economics Department. That is insane. That is a small part of the reason college is so expensive. People are paying for these large salaries for professors as well as coaches. Can that professor not work for $95,000 or even $100,000? Does that football coach need to make $3,000,000 a year? Maybe if large portions of the staff didn't make Top 1% income that would help make college be the price of the average car instead of the average house. Oh well, I'm stopping again.

When you pay for your overpriced cell phone, do you ever think to yourself “damn why can’t those Apple engineers take a pay cut so this thing is a little more affordable?!?!?”

I know that is the first thing that pops into my head.

Actually, I don't always think that but I do think, damn why does that CEO need to make $115 million this year. Could he not make say $20 million? I'll tell you at my job now we have dozens and dozens of engineers all making six figure incomes, very few of them should be making that kind of money given their lack of understanding of what I would think are pretty simple concepts. Like don't design a part without considering the need for customization when your customers are asking for it. But they got the big fancy engineering degrees from Texas A&M or Texas Tech. I'm all for making money, but there is a cut off point where it becomes just excessive.

Careful, That could be construed as a pretty liberal statement.

Time to share the wealth, right?

TEXASBGE2018

DMW said:

You know, if you aren't making as much as them, you could always quit your job and get one of those other jobs. Or you could complain on a BBQ forum.

Have a nice day.

BigGreenBean

@TEXASBGE2018 is a helluva patriot, and he cooks, too!  Although I met a Texan once at a party and told him my brother had lived in Dallas for a while, to which he responded:  "Well, that's almost Texas."  Got a kick out of that.  

Trump won.  You know, democracy and all.  Whine, ****, piss, and moan all you want.  Kinda how it works in these United States.

bucky925

With the wife and I being newly retired, sometime the days of the week kind of run together.  But I always know when it's FRIDAY! I like Friday's 

TEXASBGE2018

frazzdaddy said:

Careful, That could be construed as a pretty liberal statement.

Again, where have I stated that I am some uber-right wing conservative? Do none of you know what a Libertarian is? Y'all have a nice night. It's not worth elevating my blood pressure trying to defend myself against people who claim to be the most tolerant open minded people on the planet and then turn around and just bash anyone that disagrees with them.

frazzdaddy

TEXASBGE2018 said:

JohnInCarolina said:

Dwayne is trying to tell you that they are paid what the market will bear.  And he is right.

And dude, I hate to break this to you, but 25 profs making $300k a year doesn't actually add up to all that much money.  

Ya, I understand what he's saying. You are right 25 teachers making 7.5 million isn't a ton. But it does contribute. And if you have a football coach making 15 Million over 3 years and several thousand other total employees it all adds up pretty quickly. There are plenty of other reasons college costs way to much and as I said salary's are a small portion. A lot of things need to change to make college more affordable.

I agree on the coaches thing to an extent but you have to remember the athletic programs that have those coaches bring a lot of extra $$$ to the universities they represent so at a minimum the salaries are offset and the other sports at the school benefits.

DMW

TEXASBGE2018 said:

frazzdaddy said:

Careful, That could be construed as a pretty liberal statement.

Again, where have I stated that I am some uber-right wing conservative? Do none of you know what a Libertarian is? Y'all have a nice night. It's not worth elevating my blood pressure trying to defend myself against people who claim to be the most tolerant open minded people on the planet and then turn around and just bash anyone that disagrees with them.

I'll admit I'm pretty intolerant to the suggestion that salaries should be capped.

Then again, I'm not at all liberal.

nolaegghead

BigGreenBean said:

@TEXASBGE2018 is a helluva patriot, and he cooks, too!  Although I met a Texan once at a party and told him my brother had lived in Dallas for a while, to which he responded:  "Well, that's almost Texas."  Got a kick out of that.  

Trump won.  You know, democracy and all.  Whine, ****, piss, and moan all you want.  Kinda how it works in these United States.

That whenever any Form of Government becomes destructive of these ends, it is the Right of the People to alter or to abolish it, and to institute new Government, laying its foundation on such principles and organizing its powers in such form, as to them shall seem most likely to effect their Safety and Happiness. Prudence, indeed, will dictate that Governments long established should not be changed for light and transient causes; and accordingly all experience hath shewn that mankind are more disposed to suffer, while evils are sufferable than to right themselves by abolishing the forms to which they are accustomed. But when a long train of abuses and usurpations, pursuing invariably the same Object evinces a design to reduce them under absolute Despotism, it is their right, it is their duty, to throw off such Government, and to provide new Guards for their future security.

(commonly misconstrued as "whining")

johnnyp

nolaegghead said:

We need to make public colleges free to students who qualify by funding them enough and making them more efficient with more online options.   Private schools can keep doing whatever they want.  Countries that do this have a more educated work force (and electorate). 

Local high schools in my area are adopting what they call the “Academy model”, where after 9th grade families can make a decision on whether their child wants to pursue academic or career focused pursuits after high school.

Based on their choices, the child’s electives are essentially chosen by the program. If they pick an academic option, they focus electives on either stem or liberal art areas of study (with the path being chosen by the families).  Or if they choose a vocational route, they still meet the minimum requirements of a high school diploma but graduate with a certification that can yield them (hopefully) gainful employment in fields such as welding, culinary arts or hospitality. 

Since each student will be a bona fide graduate, they can still switch later on, but may be more or less appealing to certain universities based on their areas of study.  

We've yet to have a round of students graduate from the program, but our region is optimistic that it will give kids a ladder to success out of high school. 

frazzdaddy

TEXASBGE2018 said:

frazzdaddy said:

Careful, That could be construed as a pretty liberal statement.

Again, where have I stated that I am some uber-right wing conservative? Do none of you know what a Libertarian is? Y'all have a nice night. It's not worth elevating my blood pressure trying to defend myself against people who claim to be the most tolerant open minded people on the planet and then turn around and just bash anyone that disagrees with them.

BTW, I am not a liberal and that senator is a republican.

thetrim

To all the Dr's out there (and others in the medical field), I am sure there a people lining up to tell you that you make to much off people's illness, disease, and health.

It hasn't happened yet on a broad scale, but it is coming. Right in line with, Obummer's, "There is a time for profits, but it's not right now" remark.

nolaegghead

johnnyp said:

nolaegghead said:

We need to make public colleges free to students who qualify by funding them enough and making them more efficient with more online options.   Private schools can keep doing whatever they want.  Countries that do this have a more educated work force (and electorate). 

Local high schools in my area are adopting what they call the “Academy model”, where after 9th grade families can make a decision on whether their child wants to pursue academic or career focused pursuits after high school.

Based on their choices, the child’s electives are essentially chosen by the program. If they pick an academic option, they focus electives on either stem or liberal art areas of study (with the path being chosen by the families).  Or if they choose a vocational route, they still meet the minimum requirements of a high school diploma but graduate with a certification that can yield them (hopefully) gainful employment in fields such as welding, culinary arts or hospitality. 

Since each student will be a bona fide graduate, they can still switch later on, but may be more or less appealing to certain universities based on their areas of study.  

We've yet to have a round of students graduate from the program, but our region is optimistic that it will give kids a ladder to success out of high school. 

That educational model is very pragmatic and has been used in Europe for generations.  It's new to us, but has been refined on the other side of the pond.

TEXASBGE2018

johnnyp said:

nolaegghead said:

We need to make public colleges free to students who qualify by funding them enough and making them more efficient with more online options.   Private schools can keep doing whatever they want.  Countries that do this have a more educated work force (and electorate). 

Local high schools in my area are adopting what they call the “Academy model”, where after 9th grade families can make a decision on whether their child wants to pursue academic or career focused pursuits after high school.

Based on their choices, the child’s electives are essentially chosen by the program. If they pick an academic option, they focus electives on either stem or liberal art areas of study (with the path being chosen by the families).  Or if they choose a vocational route, they still meet the minimum requirements of a high school diploma but graduate with a certification that can yield them (hopefully) gainful employment in fields such as welding, culinary arts or hospitality. 

Since each student will be a bona fide graduate, they can still switch later on, but may be more or less appealing to certain universities based on their areas of study.  

We've yet to have a round of students graduate from the program, but our region is optimistic that it will give kids a ladder to success out of high school. 

Bet you wouldn’t expect this but I agree with you. This is actually a very good idea and more school districts should adopt it. 

nolaegghead

TEXASBGE2018 said:

johnnyp said:

nolaegghead said:

We need to make public colleges free to students who qualify by funding them enough and making them more efficient with more online options.   Private schools can keep doing whatever they want.  Countries that do this have a more educated work force (and electorate). 

Local high schools in my area are adopting what they call the “Academy model”, where after 9th grade families can make a decision on whether their child wants to pursue academic or career focused pursuits after high school.

Based on their choices, the child’s electives are essentially chosen by the program. If they pick an academic option, they focus electives on either stem or liberal art areas of study (with the path being chosen by the families).  Or if they choose a vocational route, they still meet the minimum requirements of a high school diploma but graduate with a certification that can yield them (hopefully) gainful employment in fields such as welding, culinary arts or hospitality. 

Since each student will be a bona fide graduate, they can still switch later on, but may be more or less appealing to certain universities based on their areas of study.  

We've yet to have a round of students graduate from the program, but our region is optimistic that it will give kids a ladder to success out of high school. 

Bet you wouldn’t expect this but I agree with you. This is actually a very good idea and more school districts should adopt it. 

See?  That wasn't hard.  You were just progressive.

TEXASBGE2018

nolaegghead said:

TEXASBGE2018 said:

johnnyp said:

nolaegghead said:

We need to make public colleges free to students who qualify by funding them enough and making them more efficient with more online options.   Private schools can keep doing whatever they want.  Countries that do this have a more educated work force (and electorate). 

Local high schools in my area are adopting what they call the “Academy model”, where after 9th grade families can make a decision on whether their child wants to pursue academic or career focused pursuits after high school.

Based on their choices, the child’s electives are essentially chosen by the program. If they pick an academic option, they focus electives on either stem or liberal art areas of study (with the path being chosen by the families).  Or if they choose a vocational route, they still meet the minimum requirements of a high school diploma but graduate with a certification that can yield them (hopefully) gainful employment in fields such as welding, culinary arts or hospitality. 

Since each student will be a bona fide graduate, they can still switch later on, but may be more or less appealing to certain universities based on their areas of study.  

We've yet to have a round of students graduate from the program, but our region is optimistic that it will give kids a ladder to success out of high school. 

Bet you wouldn’t expect this but I agree with you. This is actually a very good idea and more school districts should adopt it. 

See?  That wasn't hard.  You were just progressive.

And again for the 100th time, there are areas that I agree with that side of the aisle.

johnnyp

nolaegghead said:

johnnyp said:

nolaegghead said:

We need to make public colleges free to students who qualify by funding them enough and making them more efficient with more online options.   Private schools can keep doing whatever they want.  Countries that do this have a more educated work force (and electorate). 

Local high schools in my area are adopting what they call the “Academy model”, where after 9th grade families can make a decision on whether their child wants to pursue academic or career focused pursuits after high school.

Based on their choices, the child’s electives are essentially chosen by the program. If they pick an academic option, they focus electives on either stem or liberal art areas of study (with the path being chosen by the families).  Or if they choose a vocational route, they still meet the minimum requirements of a high school diploma but graduate with a certification that can yield them (hopefully) gainful employment in fields such as welding, culinary arts or hospitality. 

Since each student will be a bona fide graduate, they can still switch later on, but may be more or less appealing to certain universities based on their areas of study.  

We've yet to have a round of students graduate from the program, but our region is optimistic that it will give kids a ladder to success out of high school. 

That educational model is very pragmatic and has been used in Europe for generations.  It's new to us, but has been refined on the other side of the pond.

My point in mentioning it is in regards to a college for everyone idea. The primary rationale I’ve heard is that Grade 12 is no longer a quality benchmark for a minimum acceptable level of education. That, In the 21st century we need more as a baseline.  

I’m curious as to whether or not that thought process is true. Maybe we need more specialization and expertise at the base level of our economy, not necessarily well-roundedness. 

TEXASBGE2018

TEXASBGE2018 said:

nolaegghead said:

TEXASBGE2018 said:

johnnyp said:

nolaegghead said:

We need to make public colleges free to students who qualify by funding them enough and making them more efficient with more online options.   Private schools can keep doing whatever they want.  Countries that do this have a more educated work force (and electorate). 

Local high schools in my area are adopting what they call the “Academy model”, where after 9th grade families can make a decision on whether their child wants to pursue academic or career focused pursuits after high school.

Based on their choices, the child’s electives are essentially chosen by the program. If they pick an academic option, they focus electives on either stem or liberal art areas of study (with the path being chosen by the families).  Or if they choose a vocational route, they still meet the minimum requirements of a high school diploma but graduate with a certification that can yield them (hopefully) gainful employment in fields such as welding, culinary arts or hospitality. 

Since each student will be a bona fide graduate, they can still switch later on, but may be more or less appealing to certain universities based on their areas of study.  

We've yet to have a round of students graduate from the program, but our region is optimistic that it will give kids a ladder to success out of high school. 

Bet you wouldn’t expect this but I agree with you. This is actually a very good idea and more school districts should adopt it. 

See?  That wasn't hard.  You were just progressive.

And again for the 100th time, there are areas that I agree with that side of the aisle.

Related to one of my topics. Maybe if we had more vocational programs we would have more quality butchers out there instead of dealing with crappy grocery store meats

TheToast

I do love political chat on this forum. We all lovingly share smoking tips but when it comes to politics, we're all very different. And that's fun.

I do love my Muslim mayor. I voted for him. But the fact that he's Muslim doesn't really make any difference. And the two fallacies that are very popular by his opposition: that it's his fault there aren't more police (False. 70% of the £3.2billion London police budget is from the Government, and it's Gov that are making cuts and the Mayor doesn't have enough money to cover these cuts. Source: https://www.london.gov.uk/about-us/london-assembly/london-assembly-publications/police-funding-whos-paying-bill )

Second that terror attacks are 'part and parcel of living in a big city' which his opposition love to quote out of context. His full quote is about how we must prepare for terror attacks "Part and parcel of living in a great global city is you’ve got to be prepared for these things, you’ve got to be vigilant, you’ve got to support the police doing an incredibly hard job. We must never accept terrorists being successful, we must never accept that terrorists can destroy our life or destroy the way we lead our lives.”

I do believe everyone is entitled to be healthy, educated and have the best shot in life, so I'm glad my taxes support a national health service and I believe people particularly from disadvantaged backgrounds should have access to free higher education. I don't think that sounds so bonkers. 

JohnInCarolina

TEXASBGE2018 said:

frazzdaddy said:

Careful, That could be construed as a pretty liberal statement.

Again, where have I stated that I am some uber-right wing conservative? Do none of you know what a Libertarian is? Y'all have a nice night. It's not worth elevating my blood pressure trying to defend myself against people who claim to be the most tolerant open minded people on the planet and then turn around and just bash anyone that disagrees with them.

I think by and large folks here have made a good-faith effort to engage you in your arguments.  

Salaries really aren't a significant factor here, by the way.  At one point not all that long ago, college was fairly affordable for middle-class families.  Since then what has happened by and large is that tuition has been increasing at roughly twice the rate of inflation, whereas faculty salaries have pretty much tracked with inflation.  This kind of information has all been fairly well documented in the public space if you're just willing to spend some time looking for it.  

But I get it.  Faculty at universities are "liberal elitists" who are "brainwashing the kids" and thus, easy targets.