OT - What are you doing now? (2024)

Ozzie_Isaac

JohnInCarolina

Ozzie_Isaac said:

JohnInCarolina said:

Ozzie_Isaac said:

Also, I have no party.  I am liberal on social policies and fiscally conservative, small government, stay out of my way type.  Republican party and cult of Trump sure isn't me, but the Democrate force your way of life and views on me or cancel me is **** too.  Just like i think politicians getting involvd in abortion and limiting women's rights is ****.

What, precisely, do you think the Democrats are trying to force you to believe?

When you mis-gender someone they call it assault? (I gladly call someone by what they want, but sometimes you screw up and guess wrong).

Ozzie, I am trying to find where in the heck you got this idea about misgendering being considered assault?  Where did you hear about this?

The only thing I can find is some hate-mongering from the likes of Jordan Peterson and Joe Rogan.  There doesn’t seem to be much of any basis for it in reality of actual law, at least not in the United States or from the Democratic party.  There is something in Canada but even there it’s clear the law is being willfully misconstrued by these jackwads.

Battleborn

JohnInCarolina said:

Ozzie_Isaac said:

JohnInCarolina said:

Ozzie_Isaac said:

Also, I have no party.  I am liberal on social policies and fiscally conservative, small government, stay out of my way type.  Republican party and cult of Trump sure isn't me, but the Democrate force your way of life and views on me or cancel me is **** too.  Just like i think politicians getting involvd in abortion and limiting women's rights is ****.

What, precisely, do you think the Democrats are trying to force you to believe?

When you mis-gender someone they call it assault? (I gladly call someone by what they want, but sometimes you screw up and guess wrong).

Ozzie, I am trying to find where in the heck you got this idea about misgendering being considered assault?  Where did you hear about this?

The only thing I can find is some hate-mongering from the likes of Jordan Peterson and Joe Rogan.  There doesn’t seem to be much of any basis for it in reality of actual law, at least not in the United States or from the Democratic party.  There is something in Canada but even there it’s clear the law is being willfully misconstrued by these jackwads.

I think what he is talking about is the multitude of video clips from social media of people trying to get clicks from being “victims”. I have seen a ton of them. 

With that being said, I heard this product work wonder. 

JohnInCarolina

Battleborn said:

JohnInCarolina said:

Ozzie_Isaac said:

JohnInCarolina said:

Ozzie_Isaac said:

Also, I have no party.  I am liberal on social policies and fiscally conservative, small government, stay out of my way type.  Republican party and cult of Trump sure isn't me, but the Democrate force your way of life and views on me or cancel me is **** too.  Just like i think politicians getting involvd in abortion and limiting women's rights is ****.

What, precisely, do you think the Democrats are trying to force you to believe?

When you mis-gender someone they call it assault? (I gladly call someone by what they want, but sometimes you screw up and guess wrong).

Ozzie, I am trying to find where in the heck you got this idea about misgendering being considered assault?  Where did you hear about this?

The only thing I can find is some hate-mongering from the likes of Jordan Peterson and Joe Rogan.  There doesn’t seem to be much of any basis for it in reality of actual law, at least not in the United States or from the Democratic party.  There is something in Canada but even there it’s clear the law is being willfully misconstrued by these jackwads.

I think what he is talking about is the multitude of video clips from social media of people trying to get clicks from being “victims”. I have seen a ton of them. 

That would be an odd response to my question about what the Democratic party is forcing him to believe.

Regardless, you must be on very different social media than I am, because I’ve never seen anything like that. 

Ozzie_Isaac

JohnInCarolina said:

Battleborn said:

JohnInCarolina said:

Ozzie_Isaac said:

JohnInCarolina said:

Ozzie_Isaac said:

Also, I have no party.  I am liberal on social policies and fiscally conservative, small government, stay out of my way type.  Republican party and cult of Trump sure isn't me, but the Democrate force your way of life and views on me or cancel me is **** too.  Just like i think politicians getting involvd in abortion and limiting women's rights is ****.

What, precisely, do you think the Democrats are trying to force you to believe?

When you mis-gender someone they call it assault? (I gladly call someone by what they want, but sometimes you screw up and guess wrong).

Ozzie, I am trying to find where in the heck you got this idea about misgendering being considered assault?  Where did you hear about this?

The only thing I can find is some hate-mongering from the likes of Jordan Peterson and Joe Rogan.  There doesn’t seem to be much of any basis for it in reality of actual law, at least not in the United States or from the Democratic party.  There is something in Canada but even there it’s clear the law is being willfully misconstrued by these jackwads.

I think what he is talking about is the multitude of video clips from social media of people trying to get clicks from being “victims”. I have seen a ton of them. 

That would be an odd response to my question about what the Democratic party is forcing him to believe.

Regardless, you must be on very different social media than I am, because I’ve never seen anything like that. 

Sorry moving a horse up to a consigner, so been out of pocket.  Battleborn is correct I have seen a lot of social media with people claiming that they were “assaulted” for misgendering.  They are predominantly affiliated with the Democratic Party.

Here is a source you may trust, not a hard leap to see why people say they are assaulted:

https://dpcpsi.nih.gov/sgmro/gender-pronouns-resource

Ozzie_Isaac

I am not saying it is okay to misgender, but having been involved with a very close family member who was physically assaulted and dealing with the surgeries, the PTSD, and general aftermath, I think it is a far cry from assault.

JohnInCarolina

Ozzie_Isaac said:

JohnInCarolina said:

Battleborn said:

JohnInCarolina said:

Ozzie_Isaac said:

JohnInCarolina said:

Ozzie_Isaac said:

Also, I have no party.  I am liberal on social policies and fiscally conservative, small government, stay out of my way type.  Republican party and cult of Trump sure isn't me, but the Democrate force your way of life and views on me or cancel me is **** too.  Just like i think politicians getting involvd in abortion and limiting women's rights is ****.

What, precisely, do you think the Democrats are trying to force you to believe?

When you mis-gender someone they call it assault? (I gladly call someone by what they want, but sometimes you screw up and guess wrong).

Ozzie, I am trying to find where in the heck you got this idea about misgendering being considered assault?  Where did you hear about this?

The only thing I can find is some hate-mongering from the likes of Jordan Peterson and Joe Rogan.  There doesn’t seem to be much of any basis for it in reality of actual law, at least not in the United States or from the Democratic party.  There is something in Canada but even there it’s clear the law is being willfully misconstrued by these jackwads.

I think what he is talking about is the multitude of video clips from social media of people trying to get clicks from being “victims”. I have seen a ton of them. 

That would be an odd response to my question about what the Democratic party is forcing him to believe.

Regardless, you must be on very different social media than I am, because I’ve never seen anything like that. 

Sorry moving a horse up to a consigner, so been out of pocket.  Battleborn is correct I have seen a lot of social media with people claiming that they were “assaulted” for misgendering.  They are predominantly affiliated with the Democratic Party.

Here is a source you may trust, not a hard leap to see why people say they are assaulted:

https://dpcpsi.nih.gov/sgmro/gender-pronouns-resource

Do you have an example of someone affiliated with the party saying this qualifies as assault?

The NIH guidance is articulating how this kind of thing can become harassment at some point.

I wonder if you guys are perhaps confusing the difference between someone making an honest mistake vs deliberately misgendering with the intent to harm.  These are two very different things.

Campbell2N

Soooo we’re still doing this. I need to get out of my funk and grill up some bangers to quiet this crap down. 

Ozzie_Isaac

Campbell2N said:

Soooo we’re still doing this. I need to get out of my funk and grill up some bangers to quiet this crap down. 

We have a good dust up every few years.  Most of us are friends.  I consider John a true friend even though we met via this forum.

Campbell2N

Ozzie_Isaac said:

Campbell2N said:

Soooo we’re still doing this. I need to get out of my funk and grill up some bangers to quiet this crap down. 

We have a good dust up every few years.  Most of us are friends.  I consider John a true friend even though we met via this forum.

I get that and agree. I’m not saying don’t talk about current events because it is important. I don’t want to be a forum mod by any means, has just seemed a little contentious yesterday/today. 

JohnInCarolina

Ozzie_Isaac said:

Campbell2N said:

Soooo we’re still doing this. I need to get out of my funk and grill up some bangers to quiet this crap down. 

We have a good dust up every few years.  Most of us are friends.  I consider John a true friend even though we met via this forum.

Yep.  

These things gotta happen every five years or so, ten years. Helps to get rid of the bad blood. Been ten years since the last one. You know, you gotta stop them at the beginning. Like they should have stopped Hitler at Munich, they should never let him get away with that, they was just asking for trouble.

JohnInCarolina

DoubleEgger

JohnInCarolina said:

Still better than bragging about shooting your dog in the gravel pit. At least the couch lived to fight another day. 

Botch

DoubleEgger said:
Still better than bragging about shooting your dog in the gravel pit. At least the couch lived to fight another day. 

Ah, guess I'm a bit slow today; I didn't get that cartoon at first (or my feeble brain rejects certain images from lingering....).  

TechsasJim

JohnInCarolina said:

Ozzie_Isaac said:

Campbell2N said:

Soooo we’re still doing this. I need to get out of my funk and grill up some bangers to quiet this crap down. 

We have a good dust up every few years.  Most of us are friends.  I consider John a true friend even though we met via this forum.

Yep.  

These things gotta happen every five years or so, ten years. Helps to get rid of the bad blood. Been ten years since the last one. You know, you gotta stop them at the beginning. Like they should have stopped Hitler at Munich, they should never let him get away with that, they was just asking for trouble.

Easy John…my grandparents were WWII people.   Had it not been for Hitler, they never would have met in Paris.   

Yes I see the irony and the paradox.   

I’m clearly kidding (with the Hitler deal) yet being serious with my grandparents meeting in Paris during the war.   

Grandfather was a tail gunner and grandmother was a nurse.    They met in Paris, married back in the States and ….  Well…

JohnInCarolina

TechsasJim said:

JohnInCarolina said:

Ozzie_Isaac said:

Campbell2N said:

Soooo we’re still doing this. I need to get out of my funk and grill up some bangers to quiet this crap down. 

We have a good dust up every few years.  Most of us are friends.  I consider John a true friend even though we met via this forum.

Yep.  

These things gotta happen every five years or so, ten years. Helps to get rid of the bad blood. Been ten years since the last one. You know, you gotta stop them at the beginning. Like they should have stopped Hitler at Munich, they should never let him get away with that, they was just asking for trouble.

Easy John…my grandparents were WWII people.   Had it not been for Hitler, they never would have met in Paris.   

Yes I see the irony and the paradox.   

I’m clearly kidding (with the Hitler deal) yet being serious with my grandparents meeting in Paris during the war.   

Grandfather was a tail gunner and grandmother was a nurse.    They met in Paris, married back in the States and ….  Well…

That’s a quote from The Godfather.

Pretty cool about your grandparents, regardless!  

TechsasJim

JohnInCarolina said:

TechsasJim said:

JohnInCarolina said:

Ozzie_Isaac said:

Campbell2N said:

Soooo we’re still doing this. I need to get out of my funk and grill up some bangers to quiet this crap down. 

We have a good dust up every few years.  Most of us are friends.  I consider John a true friend even though we met via this forum.

Yep.  

These things gotta happen every five years or so, ten years. Helps to get rid of the bad blood. Been ten years since the last one. You know, you gotta stop them at the beginning. Like they should have stopped Hitler at Munich, they should never let him get away with that, they was just asking for trouble.

Easy John…my grandparents were WWII people.   Had it not been for Hitler, they never would have met in Paris.   

Yes I see the irony and the paradox.   

I’m clearly kidding (with the Hitler deal) yet being serious with my grandparents meeting in Paris during the war.   

Grandfather was a tail gunner and grandmother was a nurse.    They met in Paris, married back in the States and ….  Well…

That’s a quote from The Godfather.

Pretty cool about your grandparents, regardless!  

Ahh, my bad on The Godfather quote, haven’t seen that in probably 30yrs (or so it seems).  

Time allegedly flies.   Nowadays seems like it flies 2x.  🤦‍♂️

JohnInCarolina

DoubleEgger said:

JohnInCarolina said:

Still better than bragging about shooting your dog in the gravel pit. At least the couch lived to fight another day. 

I wonder how Kristi’s feeling about her life choices these days.

DoubleEgger

JohnInCarolina said:

DoubleEgger said:

JohnInCarolina said:

Still better than bragging about shooting your dog in the gravel pit. At least the couch lived to fight another day. 

I wonder how Kristi’s feeling about her life choices these days.

She never really had a chance. Trump was always going to pick a male. 

JohnInCarolina

Someone suggested Trump has confused insane asylums with immigrants seeking asylum, and frankly that’s the simplest explanation I’ve seen for why he keeps on bringing up  Hannibal Lecter.   Otherwise, I’ve got nothing, and it sounds like maybe neither does he.

Ozzie_Isaac

Since the @The_Buffalo has been generous and given this thread another day, I will write my mea culpa:

I went down the rabbit hole of "mis-gendering" and "assault".  Aside from some individuals on Tik-Tok or other social media platforms claiming they were assaulted, I was not able to find anything were someone was charged by government officials with assault for an accident or an incorrect guess.  People have been investigated, but unless it was willful, malicious, and repeated, it is not actionable.

I did find a number of articles on Title IX that make it clear how people could twist the intent and implementation to look like something it is not:

https://www.wusf.org/education/2024-04-23/title-ix-protections-now-extend-to-gender-identity-and-sexuality-heres-what-that-means-in-florida

https://www.npr.org/2024/04/19/1245858954/title-ix-changes-lgbtq-assault-victim-transgender-biden-administration

Here was a case where a complaint was brought, investigated, and the concluded misgendering did happen, but it wasn't intentional, persistent of malicious, so they dropped the case.

https://www.breslinlawgroup.com/blog/2023/10/2/is-misgendering-a-violation-of-state-or-federal-law

Repeatedly, deliberately, and maliciously misgendering can be seen as harassment.  Which is kind of a no brainer, repeatedly, deliberately, maliciously calling anyone something they do not want to called and singling them out for that could be harassment for many different categories.

Thank you to those who reached out and had more discussions on this topic.

From an article:

Conclusion

Misgendering can be more than just a mistake; it's a matter of respect and identity. While the legal landscape is still evolving, one thing's for sure: respect and understanding are always the right choice. Intentionally or maliciously misgendering someone in the workplace can have signifiant consequences, especially when it is persistent and could create a hostile work environment.

JohnInCarolina

Ozzie_Isaac said:

Since the @The_Buffalo has been generous and given this thread another day, I will write my mea culpa:

I went down the rabbit hole of "mis-gendering" and "assault".  Aside from some individuals on Tik-Tok or other social media platforms claiming they were assaulted, I was not able to find anything were someone was charged by government officials with assault for an accident or an incorrect guess.  People have been investigated, but unless it was willful, malicious, and repeated, it is not actionable.

I did find a number of articles on Title IX that make it clear how people could twist the intent and implementation to look like something it is not:

https://www.wusf.org/education/2024-04-23/title-ix-protections-now-extend-to-gender-identity-and-sexuality-heres-what-that-means-in-florida

https://www.npr.org/2024/04/19/1245858954/title-ix-changes-lgbtq-assault-victim-transgender-biden-administration

Here was a case where a complaint was brought, investigated, and the concluded misgendering did happen, but it wasn't intentional, persistent of malicious, so they dropped the case.

https://www.breslinlawgroup.com/blog/2023/10/2/is-misgendering-a-violation-of-state-or-federal-law

Repeatedly, deliberately, and maliciously misgendering can be seen as harassment.  Which is kind of a no brainer, repeatedly, deliberately, maliciously calling anyone something they do not want to called and singling them out for that could be harassment for many different categories.

Thank you to those who reached out and had more discussions on this topic.

From an article:

Conclusion

Misgendering can be more than just a mistake; it's a matter of respect and identity. While the legal landscape is still evolving, one thing's for sure: respect and understanding are always the right choice. Intentionally or maliciously misgendering someone in the workplace can have signifiant consequences, especially when it is persistent and could create a hostile work environment.

Much respect my friend.

fishlessman

Fixed my shoe

Botch

Did you trim them off at the bottom, or leave ‘em for extra traction?  

The Cen-Tex Smoker

JohnInCarolina said:

Ozzie_Isaac said:

Since the @The_Buffalo has been generous and given this thread another day, I will write my mea culpa:

I went down the rabbit hole of "mis-gendering" and "assault".  Aside from some individuals on Tik-Tok or other social media platforms claiming they were assaulted, I was not able to find anything were someone was charged by government officials with assault for an accident or an incorrect guess.  People have been investigated, but unless it was willful, malicious, and repeated, it is not actionable.

I did find a number of articles on Title IX that make it clear how people could twist the intent and implementation to look like something it is not:

https://www.wusf.org/education/2024-04-23/title-ix-protections-now-extend-to-gender-identity-and-sexuality-heres-what-that-means-in-florida

https://www.npr.org/2024/04/19/1245858954/title-ix-changes-lgbtq-assault-victim-transgender-biden-administration

Here was a case where a complaint was brought, investigated, and the concluded misgendering did happen, but it wasn't intentional, persistent of malicious, so they dropped the case.

https://www.breslinlawgroup.com/blog/2023/10/2/is-misgendering-a-violation-of-state-or-federal-law

Repeatedly, deliberately, and maliciously misgendering can be seen as harassment.  Which is kind of a no brainer, repeatedly, deliberately, maliciously calling anyone something they do not want to called and singling them out for that could be harassment for many different categories.

Thank you to those who reached out and had more discussions on this topic.

From an article:

Conclusion

Misgendering can be more than just a mistake; it's a matter of respect and identity. While the legal landscape is still evolving, one thing's for sure: respect and understanding are always the right choice. Intentionally or maliciously misgendering someone in the workplace can have signifiant consequences, especially when it is persistent and could create a hostile work environment.

Much respect my friend.

💯 

I appreciate the introspection. Just fyi- This language is very common out there in “the man-osphere”. It started with Jordan Peterson but it’s been repeated ad-nauseam by Joe Rogan, Ben Shapiro, Matt Walsh and more. You would have to throw Elon in there as well.  They all have each other on their podcasts and circle jerk the same talking points over and over until it creeps into the national conversation. People hear it so much they just take it as real…and that is the plan (and it works) 

fishlessman

Botch said:

Did you trim them off at the bottom, or leave ‘em for extra traction?  

They just fit but I do studd my ice fishing boots with carbide ATV studds....too many times hitting my head on the ice😁

JohnInCarolina

lousubcap

Resurrection -or I missed the fact that "It's Alive!" Young Frankenstein reference for the less senior crowd!

Ozzie_Isaac

I appreciate the buffalo being hands off, unlike most politicians, but he can nuke this version already.  The old one is still alive and kicking.

JohnInCarolina

Ozzie_Isaac said:

I appreciate the buffalo being hands off, unlike most politicians, but he can nuke this version already.  The old one is still alive and kicking.

Mildly hilarious that when we want a thread nuked, we can’t get it to happen.  The Buffalo is an odd master.