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Global Warming - Right & Wrong

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  • Posts: 15,670
    edited October 2022
    HeavyG said:
    One thing is certain - the NFIP has created a huge bucket of moral hazard since its inception. Not a single penny of federal taxpayer dollars should support that program. It's funding should be derived entirely from users fees.

    The NFIP should be closed to any new property development.

    FEMA should not be providing any grant money (low or no interest loans are ok) to folks whose property falls within a flood zone but who decided to forgo the purchase of flood insurance.

    I'd also go one step further and say that any state whose governor voted against the feds providing disaster relief money for hurricane events in the past (like say...Hurricane Sandy) when they were a Congressman shouldn't be asking for money now for their state. :)
    Agree, especially with your comments on funding of NFIP.  At some point, availability and cost of insurance has to factor more heavily into where people choose to live or can afford to live.  If you can't get insurance or can't afford it for that area, you shouldn't be living there.  Prospectively, that should help regulate new building in high risk areas.

    Considering the recent political theatrics with immigration and the argument that a few states bear an unequal share of the cost of illegal immigration, I had an odd thought and saw a loose parallel with disaster relief.  Some states take an unequal share of federal disaster relief - the hurricane, wildfire, flood, drought and tornado states.  Yet, we don’t hear the same complaints when those few states that have natural catastrophes repeated frequently and get federal bail outs when others don’t at the scale or frequency.

    I am not at all against federal support for disasters, but we need equal or better investment in prevention and mitigation.  For immigration, yes, we need improved policy and practice, but we can’t stop people from wanting and trying to come to the US when there is such a disparity of conditions between where they live and the US.  We can only try to manage it better with policy and control at the border. 

    For natural disasters, we can't prevent hurricanes, tornadoes, earthquakes or massive wildfires, but we can try to address contributing factors (yes, things that we believe contribute to global warming) and we can try to lessen the impact of natural disasters by making it a financial choice and responsibility to live in a place, in a structure that is more at risk. That goes for the businesses that keep building homes that will be swallowed up or blown away as well.  Maybe the big builders need to provide insurance for 10 years, or banks need to provide insurance for the life of the loan.  Homeowners pay, but the builders and banks are on the hook for ensuring insurance is available.

    No easy solutions, but we need forward progress.
  • Posts: 15,670
    It's a good thing we didn't let skepticism derail the decision to cut ozone depleting CFCs back in the 70's.  Sadly, I'm not sure that's a win we could achieve in today's environment.
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    if nfip needs more money, they just get the zones changed. im done with the whole fema/nfip thing, go with lyods of london if you can get approved. i have three properties in floodplains, experienced i flood, my building was dry until the state came in and turned the property into a dam. it closed off miles of floodplain behind me and forced about 3 feet of water thru the back door of a machine shop and out a side door. coverage was nada. they built a 200 yard earthen dam between my building and the next one over, then removed it after the damage was done.
    fukahwee maine

    you can lead a fish to water but you can not make him drink it
  • Posts: 2,597
    edited October 2022
    As regards insurance subsidies at the federal level, if republicans are successful at capturing majorities in the house/senate this November my farmer friends could be in for a shock when they buy crop insurance.  The proposal is to cut the federal subsidy from 60% to 30%.  That and other scary details are touched on in this column...
    *edit to add the full column as it may be pay-walled...

    Our Money, Their Mouth, Your Choice

    If the political polls are to be believed, November’s midterm election will sweep Democrats out of power in the U.S. House of Representatives and put Republicans back in charge.

    If accurate, House Republicans will have a splendid opportunity to put your tax money where their collective mouth is by implementing their highly detailed, little-publicized “Blueprint to Save America,” a 122-page, “alternate budget” introduced by the House Republican Study Committee (RSC) June 9.

    If you’re a small government/fiscal conservative, the Blueprint is 200-proof catnip. It attacks dozens of government programs as either “socialist,” “radical” or “insidious” and wastes little ink on ways to reform any. Instead, its favorite alternative is the ax and its prescribed fix is either complete elimination or deep program cuts.

    This is especially true when the Blueprint starts swinging away at the U.S. Department of Agriculture (USDA) and its farm and ranch support programs. For example, under the deeply red Blueprint, the RSC–of which four out of five House Republicans are members–would:

    –“Remove nutrition programs from the Farm Bill.”

    –Eliminate the nation’s two, “duplicative,” federal crop insurance programs to save “$42.7 billion over 10 years.”

    –Replace both with a single program whose “subsidies (would be) 30 percent” instead of today’s “60 percent” and “would only be offered to pay for catastrophic policies.”

    –And “phase out the Sugar Program,” “prohibit new enrollments in the Conservation Reserve Program” (to effectively kill CRP in 10 years) and end the “Conservation Stewardship Program.” 

    Additionally, the GOP House group would “eliminate the Milk Program,” “prohibit funding for National School Lunch Standards,” eliminate “the Rural Water and Waste Disposal Program Account,” and dismantle “ McGovern-Dole International Food for Education Program.”

    And that’s just a start and just USDA.

    The Blueprint also urges big tax cuts, deep cuts in environmental oversight, greater defense spending, and privatization of federal agencies like the Animal Plant Health Inspection Service.

    Yes, that’s right: no milk program,” no “sugar program,” and no CRP.

    Also, no federal crop insurance other than a “catastrophic” policy where farmers would pay 70 percent of the premium, not today’s 40 percent.

    And, yes, remove all “nutrition programs”–programs like the vast Supplemental Nutrition Assistance Program (SNAP)–from the Farm Bill that would give every non-rural, non-farming House member the perfect reason to never vote for any Farm Bill again.

    Coincidence or not, two weeks after the Blueprint went public the decidedly not conservative and not happy Environmental Working Group (EWG) released its own analysis of recent federal farm program spending.

    It, too, was a stunner because it agrees with the GOP Blueprint’s key assertion: farm program spending is out of control. The problem, however, claimed the EWG, was the last Republican in the White House–not today’s CRP, not crop insurance, not the milk or sugar programs, and certainly not SNAP.

    “The government paid a record $41.6 billion in a variety of subsidies to farmers in 2020,” reported the Food & Environment Reporting Network (FERN) in reviewing the EWG’s analysis, “double the amount they received in 2018, when the Trump-era cash gusher began flowing…”

    And, FERN went on, “…farmers received a combined $91.6 billion in 2018, 2019, and 2020 from crop insurance, traditional crop supports, trade war assistance, and pandemic relief,” under the Trump Administration that few–if any–Congressional Republicans or Democrats even questioned.

    If you add in 2021 data, direct farm program payments for the most recent four years total $115.5 billion. That means 29 percent of all net farm income earned by farmers, ranchers, and landowners between 2018 and 2021 came from U.S. taxpayers.

    Little wonder House Republicans consider USDA a ripe target for spending cuts.

    Or do they? If put in charge, would they really cut crop insurance, gut CRP, and eliminate the dairy and sugar programs or is the Blueprint more baloney than beef?

    Who knows, but when most House Republicans and the Environmental Working Group agree that farm program spending is out of control, farmers and ranchers might have a problem.

    © 2022 ag comm

    LBGE, LBGE-PTR, 22" Weber, Coleman 413G
    Great Plains, USA
  • Posts: 16,713
    Interesting read, @dbCooper; thanks!  
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  • I have never met a openly democrat farmer.
    South of Columbus, Ohio.


  • CRP is double cash rent around here and people still don't use it.
    South of Columbus, Ohio.


  • In my 8 years of farming the federal government has mailed me money mostly when we did not need it and nothing when we did.  The thing about federal payments to farmers is that the government controls the price of the goods we sell, unfortunately we are not operating in a open market.
       Contrary to popular belief (on this forum anyway) they also indirectly control petroleum prices which in turn effects fertilizer prices (not going to argue that with you guys).  And only can a president put tariffs on our number one exporting country and essentially kill our market, the usda regularly reports exports, grain stock, and crop conditions through out the year which controls the prices.   It is not like when a bank or automaker is failing because they are greedy and the feds bail them out.
    South of Columbus, Ohio.


  • Posts: 15,670
    So you found a right wing commentator that has made his popularity trading in defamation and conspiracy theories until he basically lost his radio pulpit.  (Related to Alex Jones?). And he spoke to a politician that is generationally  embedded in the coal industry and a well known conspiracy theorist.  

    In Australia.

    What am I supposed to take away from this?
  • Posts: 12,767
    edited October 2022
    7🙃7
    canuckland
  • Posts: 33,891
    well that answers the question...whats the question again


    fukahwee maine

    you can lead a fish to water but you can not make him drink it
  • Posts: 15,670
    You sure found a rabbit hole @fishlessman
  • Posts: 10,380
    well that answers the question...whats the question again



    "For example, it is no surprise that there are seven planets in our solar system,..."

    When was this article written - the mid-19th century? :)

    “Reality is that which, when you stop believing in it, doesn't go away.” ― Philip K. Diçk




  • Posts: 12,767
    HeavyG said:

    "For example, it is no surprise that there are seven planets in our solar system,..."

    When was this article written - the mid-19th century? :)

    Was LoL a thing then?
    canuckland
  • Posts: 33,891
    Legume said:
    You sure found a rabbit hole @fishlessman

    i learned a whole mess of stuff =)  very interesting
    fukahwee maine

    you can lead a fish to water but you can not make him drink it
  • Posts: 2,597
    Could be the author is from a "Earth" in a different solar system, note they have seven oceans to match their number of planets...
    "For example, it is no surprise that there are seven planets in our solar system, seven continents and oceans on Earth"

    LBGE, LBGE-PTR, 22" Weber, Coleman 413G
    Great Plains, USA
  • Posts: 15,670
    See what you started @Canugghead ?
  • Posts: 33,891
    turns out  angel number 8 watches over me.....i picture him carrying an axe

    To find out your personalized angel number, look at your date of birth.

    We will use May 9, 1975, as our example.

    Start by adding each part together: 5+9+1+9+7+5=36.

    Next, we add the numbers in the total together: 3+6=9.

    Your personal angel number would be nine, which is a number of completion.


    its all about the science.........


    fukahwee maine

    you can lead a fish to water but you can not make him drink it
  • Posts: 33,891
    HeavyG said:

    "For example, it is no surprise that there are seven planets in our solar system,..."

    When was this article written - the mid-19th century? :)


    have you looked up and counted the planets
    fukahwee maine

    you can lead a fish to water but you can not make him drink it
  • Posts: 42,109
    That is for sheep.  Just look at who posted it.  
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    have you looked up and counted the planets

    Yes. Had to look down tho to count one of them.
    “Reality is that which, when you stop believing in it, doesn't go away.” ― Philip K. Diçk




  • Posts: 34,979
    I spent several years living in the USA 707 area code.  Gotta count for something.  
    Louisville; Rolling smoke in the neighbourhood.  Life is too short for light/lite beer!  Seems I'm livin in a transitional period. CHEETO (aka Agent Orange) makes Nixon look like a saint.  
  • Posts: 33,891
    HeavyG said:

    Yes. Had to look down tho to count one of them.

    im sure psych news daily understands that the earth is just a big flat disk and is not technically a planet............im surprised i have not heard of this angel thing before, must be a really tight knit group
    fukahwee maine

    you can lead a fish to water but you can not make him drink it
  • Posts: 15,670
    Right around the corner from the Sexmuseum Amsterdam.  The angels have been good to psych news daily.


  • Posts: 33,891
    edited October 2022
    Legume said:
    Right around the corner from the Sexmuseum Amsterdam.  The angels have been good to psych news daily.



    lots of angels in the amsterdam red light district.......



    fukahwee maine

    you can lead a fish to water but you can not make him drink it

  • lots of angels in the amsterdam red light district.......



    Some devils, too.
    "I've made a note never to piss you two off." - Stike

    "The truth is, these are not very bright guys, and things got out of hand." - Deep Throat
  • Posts: 15,670
    edited October 2022
    Yeah, you can’t explain it either I guess.

    The way I see it, with your maga blinders on, you’ll go to the ends of the earth to find something that fits your narrative.  The Flat Earth Society still exists, that doesn’t make it true or debate worthy, but if it fits your world view, by all means join up!
  • Posts: 34,979
    edited October 2022
    I don't comment on these politically charged threads very often because there is no chance of moving the needle.  However, the above (posted here) describe those who yield the hammer.  MAGA's and their Cheeto (love typing that) are running out of runway.  The Big Lie and Steal and fading into a sad case of "I'm a Narcissist but don't forget about me.  I need the publicity." 
    Louisville; Rolling smoke in the neighbourhood.  Life is too short for light/lite beer!  Seems I'm livin in a transitional period. CHEETO (aka Agent Orange) makes Nixon look like a saint.  

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