Vaccine Today, here we go!

Dondgc

 JohnInCarolina said:

https://twitter.com/ZackDavisson/status/1344811166984413185?s=20

And this is a guy who dispenses pharmaceuticals for a living. Nut case. 

CTMike

Dondgc said:

 JohnInCarolina said:

https://twitter.com/ZackDavisson/status/1344811166984413185?s=20

And this is a guy who dispenses pharmaceuticals for a living. Nut case. 

Hopefully this guy goes to jail for 20 years and becomes some big guy’s girlfriend.

Gulfcoastguy

CTMike said:

Dondgc said:

 JohnInCarolina said:

https://twitter.com/ZackDavisson/status/1344811166984413185?s=20

And this is a guy who dispenses pharmaceuticals for a living. Nut case. 

Hopefully this guy goes to jail for 20 years and becomes some big guy’s girlfriend.

Better yet, prisons are wrapped up with Covid. One prisoner who survived a botched lethal injection in 2009 got taken out by the Rona.

lousubcap

@CTMike Surface, surface, surface.  Glad you are clear of the surgery and posting.  Here's to a smooth recovery and rehab.  Doors open tonight at 5 PM (EST).  Hope you can drop in for a bit.
Happy New Year.  

Legume

https://www.cnbc.com/2020/12/31/doctors-criticize-uk-health-officials-for-changing-pfizer-covid-vaccine-plan-.html

https://www.cnn.com/2021/01/01/health/uk-vaccine-doses-chief-medical-officers-intl/index.html

This is different than what former FDA chief Gottlieb recommended, he was promoting no holdbacks, get as many first doses as possible.  UK is promoting changing the dosing regimen the trials were successful with.

JohnInCarolina

Legume said:

https://www.cnbc.com/2020/12/31/doctors-criticize-uk-health-officials-for-changing-pfizer-covid-vaccine-plan-.html

https://www.cnn.com/2021/01/01/health/uk-vaccine-doses-chief-medical-officers-intl/index.html

This is different than what former FDA chief Gottlieb recommended, he was promoting no holdbacks, get as many first doses as possible.  UK is promoting changing the dosing regimen the trials were successful with.

Yep.  Really surprised they’re taking that route. Hopefully it doesn’t end up biting them in the ass.

JohnInCarolina

Meanwhile...

https://twitter.com/ScottGottliebMD/status/1345100757037703174?s=20

Gulfcoastguy

@Legume. Agreed with one or two provisos. First there is some, not yet definitive, evidence that stretching out the AZ vaccine improves its effectiveness from 70% to 80%. Second there is again evidence that while a single AZ injection might not prevent infection it can reduce the severity to the point that hospitalization isn’t required. The UK is currently being eat up by a slightly mutated strain that is more easily transmitted by 50 to 75%. Like many hospitals in the USA the UK is flat out of ICU beds and ventilators. In short they are desperate. Third I agree about patients who have already received the first dose of the Pfizer vaccine. Pfizer’s head said that they had no evidence how long the first dose of their vaccine would be effective. 

I don’t feel like posting links today. 

Legume

No opinion stated.  Governments should do as they see fit for their population.

SciAggie

Legume said:

SciAggie said:

I was emailed today that I might get the vaccine as early as Monday. 

Great news Gary.  Is this d/t you being a teacher?

Yes it is. 

MJG

My daughter is in her 4th year of Pharmacy school and is a Pharmacy tech @ Boston Children’s. Thrilled to hear she’s getting vaccinated on Monday having worked thru all of this. 👍🏻

JohnInCarolina

https://twitter.com/atrupar/status/1345372873188388864?s=20

PigBeanUs

JohnInCarolina said:

https://twitter.com/atrupar/status/1345372873188388864?s=20

I used to say that if they shot out a death ray during Fox and Friends, the average IQ of the country would shoot up twenty points. 

But if we can get them to avoid the vaccine, that’ll work too. 

(Don’t @ me with “actually the average IQ would still be 100, see...”) 

nolaeggheads_squirel

PigBeanUs said:

JohnInCarolina said:

https://twitter.com/atrupar/status/1345372873188388864?s=20

I used to say that if they shot out a death ray during Fox and Friends, the average IQ of the country would shoot up twenty points. 

But if we can get them to avoid the vaccine, that’ll work too. 

(Don’t @ me with “actually the average IQ would still be 100, see...”) 

@PigBeanUs Actually 50% would still be below average

PigBeanUs

nolaeggheads_squirel said:

PigBeanUs said:

JohnInCarolina said:

https://twitter.com/atrupar/status/1345372873188388864?s=20

I used to say that if they shot out a death ray during Fox and Friends, the average IQ of the country would shoot up twenty points. 

But if we can get them to avoid the vaccine, that’ll work too. 

(Don’t @ me with “actually the average IQ would still be 100, see...”) 

@PigBeanUs Actually 50% would still be below average

Correct. 

Canugghead

My niece, a ER doc, just posted this...

As I return from my mat leave and rejoin the frontline, I am beyond grateful to be vaccinated today! Thank you to all the scientists who made this incredible achievement possible in an unprecedented timescale. Scientists like the incredible @kizzyphd. Science holds the hope for our future. A glimmer of hope in all the darkness.

To all of my family and friends, my hope is that you will roll up your sleeves when you get the opportunity. Educate yourselves as the vaccine data speaks for itself. We EACH have a crucial role to play in breaking this virus’ chain of transmission. I promise you that when you vaccinate, lives will be saved, hospitals will be less overwhelmed and normal life can slowly resume again. Vaccinate so that I can hug and kiss you all again and catch up over a drink in a bustling cafe halfway around the world sometime soon! Till then, please stay safe! Xoxo #covidvaccine #FCovid #pfizervaccine #sciencewillprevail

caliking

Gulfcoastguy said:

@Legume. Agreed with one or two provisos. First there is some, not yet definitive, evidence that stretching out the AZ vaccine improves its effectiveness from 70% to 80%. Second there is again evidence that while a single AZ injection might not prevent infection it can reduce the severity to the point that hospitalization isn’t required. The UK is currently being eat up by a slightly mutated strain that is more easily transmitted by 50 to 75%. Like many hospitals in the USA the UK is flat out of ICU beds and ventilators. In short they are desperate. Third I agree about patients who have already received the first dose of the Pfizer vaccine. Pfizer’s head said that they had no evidence how long the first dose of their vaccine would be effective. 

I don’t feel like posting links today. 

The AZ vaccine trials are somewhat of a doozy. From what I recall, a cohort of elderly patients was inadvertently given a lower dose of vaccine in one of the study arms. The error was later realized, but they couldn't exclude that data. Likely that they too would have reported 90%+ efficacy, but the bungle and averaging of the data turned ended up showing it to be 70%+ effective. 

Supposedly, 70%+ efficacy was the target to begin with, but the Pfizer and Moderna vaccine trials exceeded that. I wonder how much of this may be back-pedalling on AZ's part, to justify that their vaccine is just as good?

Not taking sides, because "dose" has been a big question mark from the get-go... what "dose" of virus will make you ill? or deathly ill? What dose of virus will infect another person? What's the least dose of vaccine that will be x% effective?

It would be wonderful if a lower dose of vaccine was found to be significantly effective, as that could mean that more folks could be vaccinated. 

Botch

caliking said:
It would be wonderful if a lower dose of vaccine was found to be significantly effective, as that could mean that more folks could be vaccinated. 

Sadly, in the US, that's not true right now.  The vaccinations that have gone out so far have been half of what was promised, and the actual vaccinations into arms have been 20% of what was delivered.  I expect to see, in the next two weeks, reports of huge numbers of vaccines being discarded due to non-injection and expiration.  I hope I'm wrong.
It'll get sorted, eventually, but no one in the WH kept the 65-page pandemic plan delivered to them by the previous administration.  ****.  

alaskanassasin

Botch said:

caliking said:
It would be wonderful if a lower dose of vaccine was found to be significantly effective, as that could mean that more folks could be vaccinated. 

Sadly, in the US, that's not true right now.  The vaccinations that have gone out so far have been half of what was promised, and the actual vaccinations into arms have been 20% of what was delivered.  I expect to see, in the next two weeks, reports of huge numbers of vaccines being discarded due to non-injection and expiration.  I hope I'm wrong.
It'll get sorted, eventually, but no one in the WH kept the 65-page pandemic plan delivered to them by the previous administration.  ****.  

 The White House is to blame? I thought it was more of a state/local issue. I really have no idea what is going on, but personally I feel like deaths going forward can be at least partially be blamed on government. 

HeavyG

alaskanassasin said:

Botch said:

caliking said:
It would be wonderful if a lower dose of vaccine was found to be significantly effective, as that could mean that more folks could be vaccinated. 

Sadly, in the US, that's not true right now.  The vaccinations that have gone out so far have been half of what was promised, and the actual vaccinations into arms have been 20% of what was delivered.  I expect to see, in the next two weeks, reports of huge numbers of vaccines being discarded due to non-injection and expiration.  I hope I'm wrong.
It'll get sorted, eventually, but no one in the WH kept the 65-page pandemic plan delivered to them by the previous administration.  ****.  

 The White House is to blame? I thought it was more of a state/local issue. I really have no idea what is going on, but personally I feel like deaths going forward can be at least partially be blamed on government. 

A small part of the blame game might fall to government but personal behavior continues to be the crux of the problem.

JohnInCarolina

Hopefully we can transition from fixing the blame to fixing the problem.

Gulfcoastguy

How many of the people refusing the vaccine fully vaccinated their kids? Do as I say not as I do?

EzraBrooks

The problem is simple.  Half the government is busy putting on a charade because a narcissist can't accept reality.  If they put half the energy they are putting into this BS into vaccine distribution and communicating public health best practices, I bet we'd have 100k fewer deaths and we'd all be making appointments for a vaccine at Walgreens.  But apparently it is more important to indulge a psychopath.

scdaf

Botch said:

caliking said:
It would be wonderful if a lower dose of vaccine was found to be significantly effective, as that could mean that more folks could be vaccinated. 

Sadly, in the US, that's not true right now.  The vaccinations that have gone out so far have been half of what was promised, and the actual vaccinations into arms have been 20% of what was delivered.  I expect to see, in the next two weeks, reports of huge numbers of vaccines being discarded due to non-injection and expiration.  I hope I'm wrong.
It'll get sorted, eventually, but no one in the WH kept the 65-page pandemic plan delivered to them by the previous administration.  ****.  

Would that be the 65 page plan used so effectively against SARS?

Legume

scdaf said:

Botch said:

caliking said:
It would be wonderful if a lower dose of vaccine was found to be significantly effective, as that could mean that more folks could be vaccinated. 

Sadly, in the US, that's not true right now.  The vaccinations that have gone out so far have been half of what was promised, and the actual vaccinations into arms have been 20% of what was delivered.  I expect to see, in the next two weeks, reports of huge numbers of vaccines being discarded due to non-injection and expiration.  I hope I'm wrong.
It'll get sorted, eventually, but no one in the WH kept the 65-page pandemic plan delivered to them by the previous administration.  ****.  

Would that be the 65 page plan used so effectively against SARS?

Probably the one that was updated from experience gained from SARS.  That’s usually how you learn and pass on.

PigBeanUs

scdaf said:

PBotch said:

caliking said:
It would be wonderful if a lower dose of vaccine was found to be significantly effective, as that could mean that more folks could be vaccinated. 

Sadly, in the US, that's not true right now.  The vaccinations that have gone out so far have been half of what was promised, and the actual vaccinations into arms have been 20% of what was delivered.  I expect to see, in the next two weeks, reports of huge numbers of vaccines being discarded due to non-injection and expiration.  I hope I'm wrong.
It'll get sorted, eventually, but no one in the WH kept the 65-page pandemic plan delivered to them by the previous administration.  ****.  

Would that be the 65 page plan used so effectively against SARS?

Did half a million people die from SARS?

JohnInCarolina

PigBeanUs said:

scdaf said:

PBotch said:

caliking said:
It would be wonderful if a lower dose of vaccine was found to be significantly effective, as that could mean that more folks could be vaccinated. 

Sadly, in the US, that's not true right now.  The vaccinations that have gone out so far have been half of what was promised, and the actual vaccinations into arms have been 20% of what was delivered.  I expect to see, in the next two weeks, reports of huge numbers of vaccines being discarded due to non-injection and expiration.  I hope I'm wrong.
It'll get sorted, eventually, but no one in the WH kept the 65-page pandemic plan delivered to them by the previous administration.  ****.  

Would that be the 65 page plan used so effectively against SARS?

Did half a million people die from SARS?

No, but only because the deep state and George Soros backed the globalists.

caliking

Legume said:

scdaf said:

Botch said:

caliking said:
It would be wonderful if a lower dose of vaccine was found to be significantly effective, as that could mean that more folks could be vaccinated. 

Sadly, in the US, that's not true right now.  The vaccinations that have gone out so far have been half of what was promised, and the actual vaccinations into arms have been 20% of what was delivered.  I expect to see, in the next two weeks, reports of huge numbers of vaccines being discarded due to non-injection and expiration.  I hope I'm wrong.
It'll get sorted, eventually, but no one in the WH kept the 65-page pandemic plan delivered to them by the previous administration.  ****.  

Would that be the 65 page plan used so effectively against SARS?

Probably the one that was updated from experience gained from SARS.  That’s usually how you learn and pass on.

You assume that people are willing to learn...

CTMike

caliking said:

Legume said:

scdaf said:

Botch said:

caliking said:
It would be wonderful if a lower dose of vaccine was found to be significantly effective, as that could mean that more folks could be vaccinated. 

Sadly, in the US, that's not true right now.  The vaccinations that have gone out so far have been half of what was promised, and the actual vaccinations into arms have been 20% of what was delivered.  I expect to see, in the next two weeks, reports of huge numbers of vaccines being discarded due to non-injection and expiration.  I hope I'm wrong.
It'll get sorted, eventually, but no one in the WH kept the 65-page pandemic plan delivered to them by the previous administration.  ****.  

Would that be the 65 page plan used so effectively against SARS?

Probably the one that was updated from experience gained from SARS.  That’s usually how you learn and pass on.

You assume that people are willing to learn...

@caliking - You are wrongly assuming that politicians are people.

nolaegghead

Aren't lizard people people?