Do you buy the same make car/truck and new or used? Diversion topic-

Lit

Gulfcoastguy said:

Living where I do, there is one big problem with buying used, previously flooded by saltwater hurricane cars. They get sold to savage companies, the title is is pencil whipped and you have n idea about the big bunch of problems that you just bought.

I bought a 2016 accord exl honda certified in 2018 with like 20k miles on it. Clean carfax and certified by Honda. About 6 months after buying it the paint around the back window started flaking. Took it to the Honda dealership that I normally have them serviced at by my house not where I bought it to get it fixed and the guy looked at it for about 15 seconds and told me Honda wouldnt cover it and that the whole top of the car had been repainted and the rear window was not factory. He said it was most likely a hail damaged car and the Honda dealer that sold it to me had to know because the flake in the paint was off and was easy to see if you know what your looking for. I took it back to the original dealer and it took me several visits and threatening to contact the local news before they took the car back. They wanted to just repaint that one small section that was peeling. You really never know what you are getting when you buy used even with a clean carfax and honda certified.

fishlessman

Lit said:

Gulfcoastguy said:

Living where I do, there is one big problem with buying used, previously flooded by saltwater hurricane cars. They get sold to savage companies, the title is is pencil whipped and you have n idea about the big bunch of problems that you just bought.

I bought a 2016 accord exl honda certified in 2018 with like 20k miles on it. Clean carfax and certified by Honda. About 6 months after buying it the paint around the back window started flaking. Took it to the Honda dealership that I normally have them serviced at by my house not where I bought it to get it fixed and the guy looked at it for about 15 seconds and told me Honda wouldnt cover it and that the whole top of the car had been repainted and the rear window was not factory. He said it was most likely a hail damaged car and the Honda dealer that sold it to me had to know because the flake in the paint was off and was easy to see if you know what your looking for. I took it back to the original dealer and it took me several visits and threatening to contact the local news before they took the car back. They wanted to just repaint that one small section that was peeling. You really never know what you are getting when you buy used even with a clean carfax and honda certified.

carfax is a complete waste, when looking i saw so many vehicles that were clean on paper, one was side swiped, bondo, painted, the rear door didnt even open it was wedged so tight. bondo was over a quarter inch deep, someone took a knife to it to check before i got there. only good thing on carfax is to check maintenance records, on the rover it had an oil change, fall in cambridge ma, spring in florida, lots of highway miles. gps is also a good place to check, where was the vehicle driven, most dealers wont take the time to change the gps records

nolaegghead

This is everything we've had that I can remember.  Probably missed a few.

76 Vega

73 Vega GT

70 Cougar XR7

69 Chevelle

67 Camaro Convertable

76 Alfa Romeo Syder Veloce

71 SAAB 99

Mazda RX7

Datsun 260Z

Datsun 240Z

Fiat Strada

Fiat 131

Dodge Colt Vista (Mitsubishi)

S-10 Pickup

Chevy Sprint (Suzuki)

Toyota Supra

Isuzu Rodeo (new)

Chevy 1500 Truck

83 Merc 300D

Merc 300E

Audi GT

VW Jetta GT

BMW E12

Ford 1500

Audi A8

Ford 1500 7700

Ford Van

Dodge 1500

Mazda Tribute (SWMBO) (New)

Honda CRV (SWMBO)  (New)

BMW X3 (SWMBO) (New)

Porsche Cayman

BMW X3 (SWMBO) (New)

Audi Q5 (SWMBO) (New)

fishlessman

nolaegghead said:

This is everything we've had that I can remember.  Probably missed a few.

76 Vega

73 Vega GT

70 Cougar XR7

69 Chevelle

67 Camaro Convertable

76 Alfa Romeo Syder Veloce

71 SAAB 99

Mazda RX7

Datsun 260Z

Datsun 260Z

Fiat Strada

Fiat 131

Dodge Colt Vista (Mitsubishi)

S-10 Pickup

Chevy Sprint (Suzuki)

Toyota Supra

Isuzu Rodeo (new)

Chevy 1500 Truck

83 Merc 300D

Merc 300E

Audi GT

VW Jetta GT

BMW E12

Ford 1500

Audi A8

Ford 1500 7700

Ford Van

Dodge 1500

Mazda Tribute (SWMBO) (New)

Honda CRV (SWMBO)  (New)

BMW X3 (SWMBO) (New)

Porsche Cayman

BMW X3 (SWMBO) (New)

Audi Q5 (SWMBO) (New)

i can see why you have your own lift now, mingah

alaskanassasin

nolaegghead said:

This is everything we've had that I can remember.  Probably missed a few.

76 Vega

73 Vega GT

70 Cougar XR7

69 Chevelle

67 Camaro Convertable

76 Alfa Romeo Syder Veloce

71 SAAB 99

Mazda RX7

Datsun 260Z

Datsun 240Z

Fiat Strada

Fiat 131

Dodge Colt Vista (Mitsubishi)

S-10 Pickup

Chevy Sprint (Suzuki)

Toyota Supra

Isuzu Rodeo (new)

Chevy 1500 Truck

83 Merc 300D

Merc 300E

Audi GT

VW Jetta GT

BMW E12

Ford 1500

Audi A8

Ford 1500 7700

Ford Van

Dodge 1500

Mazda Tribute (SWMBO) (New)

Honda CRV (SWMBO)  (New)

BMW X3 (SWMBO) (New)

Porsche Cayman

BMW X3 (SWMBO) (New)

Audi Q5 (SWMBO) (New)

That is a very impressive menu Chef

frazzdaddy

fishlessman said:

Lit said:

Gulfcoastguy said:

Living where I do, there is one big problem with buying used, previously flooded by saltwater hurricane cars. They get sold to savage companies, the title is is pencil whipped and you have n idea about the big bunch of problems that you just bought.

I bought a 2016 accord exl honda certified in 2018 with like 20k miles on it. Clean carfax and certified by Honda. About 6 months after buying it the paint around the back window started flaking. Took it to the Honda dealership that I normally have them serviced at by my house not where I bought it to get it fixed and the guy looked at it for about 15 seconds and told me Honda wouldnt cover it and that the whole top of the car had been repainted and the rear window was not factory. He said it was most likely a hail damaged car and the Honda dealer that sold it to me had to know because the flake in the paint was off and was easy to see if you know what your looking for. I took it back to the original dealer and it took me several visits and threatening to contact the local news before they took the car back. They wanted to just repaint that one small section that was peeling. You really never know what you are getting when you buy used even with a clean carfax and honda certified.

carfax is a complete waste, when looking i saw so many vehicles that were clean on paper, one was side swiped, bondo, painted, the rear door didnt even open it was wedged so tight. bondo was over a quarter inch deep, someone took a knife to it to check before i got there. only good thing on carfax is to check maintenance records, on the rover it had an oil change, fall in cambridge ma, spring in florida, lots of highway miles. gps is also a good place to check, where was the vehicle driven, most dealers wont take the time to change the gps records

Agree Carfax is false security. Anytime you are looking at a used vehicle, put it on a lift and look at the paint from the ground up. Painters repaint spraying down. Even the best painters will leave small imperfections that will be obvious when viewed from a lift. A paint depth meter is handy as they can never replicate factory paint depth. Yukon Ron knows a thing or two about this. Always pull the floorboard carpets back and look for evidence of flooding. Stains and rust where it shouldn't be ect. 

YukonRon

I am in the market for two vehicles. No idea as yet what or where from. Need safety, off road clearance, durability, and long haul towing and comfort. Doing research now for our future. Suggestions appreciated, insight is needed.

Lit

frazzdaddy said:

fishlessman said:

Lit said:

Gulfcoastguy said:

Living where I do, there is one big problem with buying used, previously flooded by saltwater hurricane cars. They get sold to savage companies, the title is is pencil whipped and you have n idea about the big bunch of problems that you just bought.

I bought a 2016 accord exl honda certified in 2018 with like 20k miles on it. Clean carfax and certified by Honda. About 6 months after buying it the paint around the back window started flaking. Took it to the Honda dealership that I normally have them serviced at by my house not where I bought it to get it fixed and the guy looked at it for about 15 seconds and told me Honda wouldnt cover it and that the whole top of the car had been repainted and the rear window was not factory. He said it was most likely a hail damaged car and the Honda dealer that sold it to me had to know because the flake in the paint was off and was easy to see if you know what your looking for. I took it back to the original dealer and it took me several visits and threatening to contact the local news before they took the car back. They wanted to just repaint that one small section that was peeling. You really never know what you are getting when you buy used even with a clean carfax and honda certified.

carfax is a complete waste, when looking i saw so many vehicles that were clean on paper, one was side swiped, bondo, painted, the rear door didnt even open it was wedged so tight. bondo was over a quarter inch deep, someone took a knife to it to check before i got there. only good thing on carfax is to check maintenance records, on the rover it had an oil change, fall in cambridge ma, spring in florida, lots of highway miles. gps is also a good place to check, where was the vehicle driven, most dealers wont take the time to change the gps records

Agree Carfax is false security. Anytime you are looking at a used vehicle, put it on a lift and look at the paint from the ground up. Painters repaint spraying down. Even the best painters will leave small imperfections that will be obvious when viewed from a lift. A paint depth meter is handy as they can never replicate factory paint depth. Yukon Ron knows a thing or two about this. Always pull the floorboard carpets back and look for evidence of flooding. Stains and rust where it shouldn't be ect. 

I learned my lesson for sure with this car. I dont know enough to be looking at used cars myself. The dealer that told me the car was repainted had me open the sunroof and he showed me where it hadnt even been taped good and just sprayed over. I didnt realize either that honda certified is only slightly better than a carfax report. Cant believe they will certify a car and show a clean carfax report when the guy certifying it knows the glass had been changed and the top repainted.

ColtsFan

alaskanassasin said:

I agree @QDude. Several dealers told me they advertise their cheapest price online. They also are not impressed with cash, they would rather get you financed than take a check. Times have changed.

We paid cash for the CRV. Boy was I surprised when that didn’t give us any leverage when discussing prices 

nolaegghead

Best car buying tactic is walking away.

JohnEggGio

ColtsFan said:

alaskanassasin said:

I agree @QDude. Several dealers told me they advertise their cheapest price online. They also are not impressed with cash, they would rather get you financed than take a check. Times have changed.

We paid cash for the CRV. Boy was I surprised when that didn’t give us any leverage when discussing prices 

For decades banks have been making money by assisting you with placing your financing.

TideEggHead

We currently own a Tundra and a Honda accord. The honda has been great with zero problems over the last 8 years, with only 113k, we will likely keep it until 200k or so. SWMBO wants a 4Runner, so we are shopping right now. I had no problems out of my previous toyota tundra (had for 12years) so we have stuck with the hondas and toyotas. The newer body style ram trucks look really slick though.

alaskanassasin

JohnEggGio said:

ColtsFan said:

alaskanassasin said:

I agree @QDude. Several dealers told me they advertise their cheapest price online. They also are not impressed with cash, they would rather get you financed than take a check. Times have changed.

We paid cash for the CRV. Boy was I surprised when that didn’t give us any leverage when discussing prices 

For decades banks have been making money by assisting you with placing your financing.

 I remember the days of "what would you like your payment to be" maybe they still do that. It always drove me nuts... Umm best price on vehicle, best interest rate possible and divide that over months, that is where I want my payment.

TideEggHead

YukonRon said:

I am in the market for two vehicles. No idea as yet what or where from. Need safety, off road clearance, durability, and long haul towing and comfort. Doing research now for our future. Suggestions appreciated, insight is needed.

Looks like a full size truck might be the best bet? My wife's dad had a suburban for the last 5-6 years and was great for all things mentioned including towing. Only he was towing close to 8k fully loaded with a 34ft pull behind, long term it ended up being too much too often for the suburban and he bought a ram 2500 a few months ago. The burb did have 230k on it towards the end though and was leaking oil bad. He was constantly having oil and electrical issues.

My best friend's dad has a 2019 silverado with the 2.7 turbo that gets about 23 mpg in town, with plenty of room, and he tows with it.

lousubcap

@alaskanassasin - they still try that, especially when you knock the relatively new sales person off their play book.  Just went down the new car buy road with SWMBO in Sep.  She had not been thru the grinder for around 10+ years (keep 'em). 
Initial conditions:  no trade, no financing and didn't need/want the car for a couple of days.  Clearly did not fit the script.  What a cluster phque.  It was fun messing with the sales rep.  Walked out only to be corralled by the sales manager and then things got sorted out.  

alaskanassasin

@lousubcap good stuff, I embarrass swmbo when I do that kind of stuff. I am thinking about a Sierra or F-150 next year used. Leaning towards the 150 because there is a million of them to choose from and I like the aluminum body less prone to rust. Also the 3.5 eco boost got a good review from my dad.

frazzdaddy

lousubcap said:

@alaskanassasin - they still try that, especially when you knock the relatively new sales person off their play book.  Just went down the new car buy road with SWMBO in Sep.  She had not been thru the grinder for around 10+ years (keep 'em). 
Initial conditions:  no trade, no financing and didn't need/want the car for a couple of days.  Clearly did not fit the script.  What a cluster phque.  It was fun messing with the sales rep.  Walked out only to be corralled by the sales manager and then things got sorted out.  

That's a TO in dealer speak. Just ask for that up front next time

lousubcap

@frazzdaddy - as I told SWMBO after all was done, thank God I am old and won't go down the car buy road ever again.  

rifrench

First car was a 1959 Plymouth Fury 4D sedan, only new car 1968 Mustang notch back.  Many other used cars and pickups, currently drive a 2003 Forester and a 1992 GMC K 1500 Sierra short bed. 

nolaegghead

frazzdaddy said:

lousubcap said:

@alaskanassasin - they still try that, especially when you knock the relatively new sales person off their play book.  Just went down the new car buy road with SWMBO in Sep.  She had not been thru the grinder for around 10+ years (keep 'em). 
Initial conditions:  no trade, no financing and didn't need/want the car for a couple of days.  Clearly did not fit the script.  What a cluster phque.  It was fun messing with the sales rep.  Walked out only to be corralled by the sales manager and then things got sorted out.  

That's a TO in dealer speak. Just ask for that up front next time

What's a "TO"?

WeberWho

nolaegghead said:

frazzdaddy said:

lousubcap said:

@alaskanassasin - they still try that, especially when you knock the relatively new sales person off their play book.  Just went down the new car buy road with SWMBO in Sep.  She had not been thru the grinder for around 10+ years (keep 'em). 
Initial conditions:  no trade, no financing and didn't need/want the car for a couple of days.  Clearly did not fit the script.  What a cluster phque.  It was fun messing with the sales rep.  Walked out only to be corralled by the sales manager and then things got sorted out.  

That's a TO in dealer speak. Just ask for that up front next time

What's a "TO"?

fishlessman

nolaegghead said:

frazzdaddy said:

lousubcap said:

@alaskanassasin - they still try that, especially when you knock the relatively new sales person off their play book.  Just went down the new car buy road with SWMBO in Sep.  She had not been thru the grinder for around 10+ years (keep 'em). 
Initial conditions:  no trade, no financing and didn't need/want the car for a couple of days.  Clearly did not fit the script.  What a cluster phque.  It was fun messing with the sales rep.  Walked out only to be corralled by the sales manager and then things got sorted out.  

That's a TO in dealer speak. Just ask for that up front next time

What's a "TO"?

its when after the salesman hands you a 3rd offer you get turned over to the next guy up. ive had the next guy up give me a higher offer after spending a good hour with the first guy

frazzdaddy

nolaegghead said:

frazzdaddy said:

lousubcap said:

@alaskanassasin - they still try that, especially when you knock the relatively new sales person off their play book.  Just went down the new car buy road with SWMBO in Sep.  She had not been thru the grinder for around 10+ years (keep 'em). 
Initial conditions:  no trade, no financing and didn't need/want the car for a couple of days.  Clearly did not fit the script.  What a cluster phque.  It was fun messing with the sales rep.  Walked out only to be corralled by the sales manager and then things got sorted out.  

That's a TO in dealer speak. Just ask for that up front next time

What's a "TO"?

 The sales mgr's are typically former top closers. They will come in and close the deal if they can. Doesn't always mean a better deal but they have more tools at their disposal to close the deal. Very few get to that point. Most buyers are looking to check the payment box and don't care about much else. Debt management is a mystery to most people sadly.

fishlessman

frazzdaddy said:

nolaegghead said:

frazzdaddy said:

lousubcap said:

@alaskanassasin - they still try that, especially when you knock the relatively new sales person off their play book.  Just went down the new car buy road with SWMBO in Sep.  She had not been thru the grinder for around 10+ years (keep 'em). 
Initial conditions:  no trade, no financing and didn't need/want the car for a couple of days.  Clearly did not fit the script.  What a cluster phque.  It was fun messing with the sales rep.  Walked out only to be corralled by the sales manager and then things got sorted out.  

That's a TO in dealer speak. Just ask for that up front next time

What's a "TO"?

 The sales mgr's are typically former top closers. They will come in and close the deal if they can. Doesn't always mean a better deal but they have more tools at their disposal to close the deal. Very few get to that point. Most buyers are looking to check the payment box and don't care about much else. Debt management is a mystery to most people sadly.

i notice they dont do this as often as they used to but even if the salesmanager doesnt drop the price you might get something like the full tow package with extra cooling tossed in. always worth the effort

frazzdaddy

fishlessman said:

frazzdaddy said:

nolaegghead said:

frazzdaddy said:

lousubcap said:

@alaskanassasin - they still try that, especially when you knock the relatively new sales person off their play book.  Just went down the new car buy road with SWMBO in Sep.  She had not been thru the grinder for around 10+ years (keep 'em). 
Initial conditions:  no trade, no financing and didn't need/want the car for a couple of days.  Clearly did not fit the script.  What a cluster phque.  It was fun messing with the sales rep.  Walked out only to be corralled by the sales manager and then things got sorted out.  

That's a TO in dealer speak. Just ask for that up front next time

What's a "TO"?

 The sales mgr's are typically former top closers. They will come in and close the deal if they can. Doesn't always mean a better deal but they have more tools at their disposal to close the deal. Very few get to that point. Most buyers are looking to check the payment box and don't care about much else. Debt management is a mystery to most people sadly.

i notice they dont do this as often as they used to but even if the salesmanager doesnt drop the price you might get something like the full tow package with extra cooling tossed in. always worth the effort

They give more latitude to the sales people now. Because of that your statement is spot on. Tank of gas , free first service, cargo rack, Wheel and tire insurance , ect. There are some good things to be had when the price is the price. 

alaskanassasin

frazzdaddy said:

fishlessman said:

frazzdaddy said:

nolaegghead said:

frazzdaddy said:

lousubcap said:

@alaskanassasin - they still try that, especially when you knock the relatively new sales person off their play book.  Just went down the new car buy road with SWMBO in Sep.  She had not been thru the grinder for around 10+ years (keep 'em). 
Initial conditions:  no trade, no financing and didn't need/want the car for a couple of days.  Clearly did not fit the script.  What a cluster phque.  It was fun messing with the sales rep.  Walked out only to be corralled by the sales manager and then things got sorted out.  

That's a TO in dealer speak. Just ask for that up front next time

What's a "TO"?

 The sales mgr's are typically former top closers. They will come in and close the deal if they can. Doesn't always mean a better deal but they have more tools at their disposal to close the deal. Very few get to that point. Most buyers are looking to check the payment box and don't care about much else. Debt management is a mystery to most people sadly.

i notice they dont do this as often as they used to but even if the salesmanager doesnt drop the price you might get something like the full tow package with extra cooling tossed in. always worth the effort

They give more latitude to the sales people now. Because of that your statement is spot on. Tank of gas , free first service, cargo rack, Wheel and tire insurance , ect. There are some good things to be had when the price is the price. 

Botch

fishlessman said:
its when after the salesman hands you a 3rd offer you get turned over to the next guy up. ive had the next guy up give me a higher offer after spending a good hour with the first guy

Heh, sounds like trying to renew SiriusXM (which I've only done once, prepped by my co-workers).  The only bright point about my CC number being compromised last spring (by a shoe sale in Rio de Janeiro) is that Sirius didn't have my new CC number, so I was able to write them a letter, not call their "Cancel" number, and tell them "If you can offer me another year for $99, then give me that offer; otherwise, Cancel".  I'm still awaiting their answer.  
 
@frazzdaddy stated "There are some good things to be had when the price is the price. "  I learned two years ago that "the price is the price" is also squishy.  Late summer 2018 I visited the Farmington MB dealership, and they had a '17 E-Series on the floor that hadn't been sold, it was beautiful, and the salesman firmly stated "We don't bicker on price, it is what it is, to make negotiations less stressful."  I test-drove it, great acceleration but a very boaty road-feel.  
Next day I test-drove my Audi, smaller engine but it felt SOO much better on the road, and I learned it had on-the-fly suspension settings, I really enjoyed "Sport".  I called the salesman at MB, learned yes, the E-Series had variable suspension, but no, he didn't remember what I had been driving it in.  Got a second test-drive of the MB, in "Sport" mode, but it still drove like my Dad's Pontiac Catalina 400; I mentioned the Audi to the MB salesman.  
 
I bought that Audi three days later; during that time, the MB salesman left me three messages, pleading for me to come back down to his dealership, he could cut me some price advantages...  Granted, it was a late-model they wanted to clear, but the "price is the price" was out the window at that time.  FWIW.  

Cmyachtie

Definitely no brand loyalty here.....

My first car was a Volvo 444, used don’t remember the year(long ago), prob early 60ish.
1958 Pontiac ragtop used.
1966 Camaro ragtop used.
1968 VW bug new
1970 Pontiac GTO The Judge new.
1971 Austin Maxi used.
1976 Buick Century used.
1985 Buick Century new.
1980 Ford Bronco used.
1991 Chevy Lumina sedan new.
1995 Ford Taurus wagon new.
2000 Olds Alero new.
1998 BMW 328i M sport used.
1985 BMW 325 e M sport used.
1998 BMW 528i used.
2004 BMW 545i used.
A little bit of context, prob missed a couple and always had the attitude about cars being worst investments until I took a position in Munich in 2001 and drove a BMW and the old ones were great cars but this 545 will be my last one, they’re just not making them like they used to, it’s like a super hot psycho girlfriend, needy and temperamental as heck! Great ride but always needing something....lol

alaskanassasin

Agree @Cmyachtie I am always surprised when I get in swmbo 328 and there is not a dash light on.

Mickey

YukonRon said:

I am in the market for two vehicles. No idea as yet what or where from. Need safety, off road clearance, durability, and long haul towing and comfort. Doing research now for our future. Suggestions appreciated, insight is needed.

My suggestion is to look at Toyota and Subaru.