Pfizer/Moderna Vaccine

Gulfcoastguy · December 2020

Mississippi has the nation’s toughest requirements for vaccination. You must be vaccinated in order to attend public schools. As a result we have the highest percentage vaccinated with no exemptions for religious or personal belief exemptions, only for medical exemptions. I can see teachers being required to be vaccinated, the vaccine isn’t approved for under 16 years old yet(for Pfizer, 18 for Moderna provided it is approved Thursday). It is also an at will employment State.

lousubcap · December 2020

@ryantt - As you very well know, this virus takes no prisoners and is relentless. Your wife and co-workers are the true heroes along with all the scientists world-wide who have stepped up. I am so sorry for the loss of a good friend to this. Tough all the way around and will remain so for the near-term.
Regrettably the virus writes and executes the game plan and we try to write the defense, and it has been poorly executed to date.
At least there is help in the way of the vaccine. For me and all I have read for the past 8+ months, the way to slow/stop this is thru the vaccine. I won't add to that.
Stay healthy and safe to you, your wife and Norah Grace.
202 cannot pass into history soon enough!

pgprescott · December 2020

Legume said:

Pete, we were also told the warm weather would make it all go away. Video, fact, as you say.

Agree with what you said re incentives, etc to deliver these vaccines. It had never before been done, not even close, so good on everyone involved too to bottom. People suspicious about the vaccine are not leaning on “a guy on the news said it was impossible” they’re leaning on question of safety, were any shortcuts taken that have created risk to people that take the vaccine.

Numbers dropped dramatically in the warm months. That is what was predicted and it happened. Remember, they reopened all kinds of businesses and restaurants. The numbers have risen recently as the weather has cooled in many areas of the country.

The guy on TV who said it was impossible (dozens of culpable “expert”) also said if it happened it would be because they cut corners on efficacy and that it would definitely not be safe to take. Same guy. Fact! Video! Repeatedly!

please pay attention.

nolaegghead · December 2020

pgprescott said:

Legume said:

Pete, we were also told the warm weather would make it all go away. Video, fact, as you say.

Agree with what you said re incentives, etc to deliver these vaccines. It had never before been done, not even close, so good on everyone involved too to bottom. People suspicious about the vaccine are not leaning on “a guy on the news said it was impossible” they’re leaning on question of safety, were any shortcuts taken that have created risk to people that take the vaccine.

Numbers dropped dramatically in the warm months. That is what was predicted and it happened.

please pay attention.

Image: https://us.v-cdn.net/5017260/uploads/editor/fp/6yqxd08swr2i.png

Where's that dramatic drop?

Foghorn · December 2020

pgprescott said:

Legume said:

Pete, we were also told the warm weather would make it all go away. Video, fact, as you say.

Agree with what you said re incentives, etc to deliver these vaccines. It had never before been done, not even close, so good on everyone involved too to bottom. People suspicious about the vaccine are not leaning on “a guy on the news said it was impossible” they’re leaning on question of safety, were any shortcuts taken that have created risk to people that take the vaccine.

Numbers dropped dramatically in the warm months. That is what was predicted and it happened. Remember, they reopened all kinds of businesses and restaurants. The numbers have risen recently as the weather has cooled in many areas of the country.

The guy on TV who said it was impossible (dozens of culpable “expert”) also said if it happened it would be because they cut corners on efficacy and that it would definitely not be safe to take. Same guy. Fact! Video! Repeatedly!

please pay attention.

Alright. I'm not sure why - but I'll take the bait.

"Numbers dropped dramatically in the warm months." This was largely true in areas that maintained precautions after getting the initial surge under control. In places that didn't do that (Texas, Florida, Arizona) that was not the case.

However, the point is that making a definitive statement about it going away when nobody knew what to expect was probably ill-advised - and proven to be frankly wrong.

"...if it happened it would be because they cut corners on efficacy and that it would definitely not be safe to take."

I don't recall hearing that. I recall hearing concerns that getting from where we were in March (or April or May) to having vaccine available sometime in the fall seemed unlikely and that it seemed unlikely that a vaccine developed that quickly would have the near 100% efficacy that we are used to seeing in our vaccines. The messaging was "we can't just count on a vaccine because we don't know how long it will be or how effective it will be". That was the truth. In fact we still don't know the answers to those questions ("How long will it take to get nearly everybody vaccinated?" and "How effective are the vaccines in the long run?"). I don't recall anybody advising against getting the vaccine when one became available.

I'm always willing and frankly happy to learn new things - so if I missed this, please link the videos (you said there were many, so please link them all) here.

nolaegghead · December 2020

As far as people's trust goes, various political influence for political reasons has largely eroded trust in the various government alphabet health related agencies. Politics meddling in science, especially with an anti-science and highly charged political agenda makes people suspicious. It will be nice taking the politicians that have been thrust for the first time in these agencies at the highest level to be replaced with qualified people.

Legume · December 2020

“ if it happened it would be because they cut corners on efficacy and that it would definitely not be safe to take. “

I wonder if anyone actually said this. A medicine or vaccine can be 100% efficacious and not safe at all. Or, it could be 0% efficacious and totally safe. Neither would ever be approved. Safety and efficacy are evaluated separately, but together form the basis for approval.

nolaegghead · December 2020

Because we've been living in a time where a lawnchair salesman could actually be put in high positions in the HHS, I guess their opinion is something we can't completely ignore.

JohnInCarolina · December 2020

pgprescott said:

Legume said:

Pete, we were also told the warm weather would make it all go away. Video, fact, as you say.

Agree with what you said re incentives, etc to deliver these vaccines. It had never before been done, not even close, so good on everyone involved too to bottom. People suspicious about the vaccine are not leaning on “a guy on the news said it was impossible” they’re leaning on question of safety, were any shortcuts taken that have created risk to people that take the vaccine.

Numbers dropped dramatically in the warm months. That is what was predicted and it happened. Remember, they reopened all kinds of businesses and restaurants. The numbers have risen recently as the weather has cooled in many areas of the country.

The guy on TV who said it was impossible (dozens of culpable “expert”) also said if it happened it would be because they cut corners on efficacy and that it would definitely not be safe to take. Same guy. Fact! Video! Repeatedly!

please pay attention.

Yes, you are right.

nolaegghead · December 2020

"Guy on TV" "Fact! Video! Repeatedly!"

This pretty much sums up arguing on the interwebs in 2020.

SamIAm2 · December 2020

nolaegghead said:

"Guy on TV" "Fact! Video! Repeatedly!"
"Guy on TV" "Fact! Video! Repeatedly!"
"Guy on TV" "Fact! Video! Repeatedly!"
"Guy on TV" "Fact! Video! Repeatedly!"

This pretty much sums up arguing on the interwebs in 2020.

Guy on Facebook, Guy on Twitter, Guy on - oh dang - Guy on TV reports on "Likes" as news.

Kayak · December 2020

I knew it was over when the local news started reporting comments on twitter.

nolaegghead · December 2020

Kayak said:

I knew it was over when the local news started reporting comments on twitter.

In all fairness, these are the the sad times where many people check twitter in the morning to see if they've been fired or still have a job....or to see if there have been any major policy changes.

pgprescott · December 2020

nolaegghead said:

pgprescott said:

Legume said:

Pete, we were also told the warm weather would make it all go away. Video, fact, as you say.

Agree with what you said re incentives, etc to deliver these vaccines. It had never before been done, not even close, so good on everyone involved too to bottom. People suspicious about the vaccine are not leaning on “a guy on the news said it was impossible” they’re leaning on question of safety, were any shortcuts taken that have created risk to people that take the vaccine.

Numbers dropped dramatically in the warm months. That is what was predicted and it happened.

please pay attention.

Where's that dramatic drop?

Mortality rate. As testing increased exponentially the cases increased. You either intentionally don’t wish to acknowledge all the factors or you just don’t know. That’s why your charts are totally useless without proper context or explanation.

nolaegghead · December 2020

I saw some guy on TV said "covid covid covid" would be over on Nov 4th.

Anyway, point is people are putting too much stock on what they see people say on TV. Doesn't mean anything. If you are paying attention, you'll realize people who get all their information from TV live in an alternate reality.

pgprescott · December 2020

nolaegghead said:

"Guy on TV" "Fact! Video! Repeatedly!"
"Guy on TV" "Fact! Video! Repeatedly!"
"Guy on TV" "Fact! Video! Repeatedly!"
"Guy on TV" "Fact! Video! Repeatedly!"

This pretty much sums up arguing on the interwebs in 2020.

Just google it RE msnbc, cnn, abc, etc etc.

nolaegghead · December 2020

pgprescott said:

nolaegghead said:

pgprescott said:

Legume said:

Pete, we were also told the warm weather would make it all go away. Video, fact, as you say.

Agree with what you said re incentives, etc to deliver these vaccines. It had never before been done, not even close, so good on everyone involved too to bottom. People suspicious about the vaccine are not leaning on “a guy on the news said it was impossible” they’re leaning on question of safety, were any shortcuts taken that have created risk to people that take the vaccine.

Numbers dropped dramatically in the warm months. That is what was predicted and it happened.

please pay attention.

Where's that dramatic drop?

Mortality rate. As testing increased exponentially the cases increased. You either intentionally don’t wish to acknowledge all the factors or you just don’t know. That’s why your charts are totally useless without proper context or explanation.

Really doesn't matter how you move the proverbial goalposts here. I have a good handle on the big picture. If you are saying mortality rate dropped in the summer, show me the data. Mortality rate for people with covid is a function of age and the current level of quality of treatment. It goes down as we learn how to keep those sick people alive. Has nothing to do with the number of tests.

Legume · December 2020

Pete, you have a retail business, do you require masks on employees and customers? If you had the opportunity to only allow people who had been vaccinated, would you go down that road, or would you want everyone to still wear masks? I don’t see the public in my job, so I haven’t had to consider at what point would I feel ok with business as usual - what % of the population vaccinated, etc.