Pfizer/Moderna Vaccine

Legume

Love it.

Canugghead

<blockquote class="twitter-tweet"><p lang="en" dir="ltr">Thank God for nurses who help people in need and know how to use a needle. <br><br>Thank God for those who produced these vaccines. <br><br>If enough of us take it, we will get back to normal lives. <br><br>Help is on the way. <a href="https://t.co/XUWKm6H3QG">pic.twitter.com/XUWKm6H3QG</a></p>&mdash; Lindsey Graham (@LindseyGrahamSC) <a href="

https://twitter.com/LindseyGrahamSC/status/1340377410806689792?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw

">December 19, 2020</a></blockquote> <script async src="https://platform.twitter.com/widgets.js" charset="utf-8"></script>

PigBeanUs

Graham on Nurses a few months earlier:

In late March, Graham voted to make unemployment benefits less generous in a congressional relief package. The amendment, ... tried to place a lower cap on the amount individuals could receive from unemployment insurance....

Graham claimed that making benefits too generous might entice nurses to quit helping people in the middle of a health pandemic.

"So, you're going to have all these well-trained nurses, they're going to make $24 an hour on unemployment," Graham said on March 25. "You're literally incentivizing taking people out of the workforce at a time when we need critical infrastructure supply for the workers."

JohnInCarolina

It's almost as though these people are aholes.  

nolaegghead

JohnInCarolina said:

It's almost as though these people are aholes.  

That's the price of Freedom, John.

nolaegghead

Sorry, meant Freedumb.

PigBeanUs

Where are the flaggots? 

I am disappointed. 

caliking

Amazing how so many of these folks are believers when they are in jumping the line for getting their first shot of the vaccine.

And I'll take @blind99 's pic, as a symbol of hope, any day over these damn clowns'. 

nolaegghead

I'm ok with letting some rich, elitist pricks jump ahead in line.  As long as it's done for the greater good.

Cost: 5 million dollars per dose.   Money will go to charities helping the people who have fallen through the cracks in this pandemic.

blind99

I knew the pols would get it early. I’m waiting to see young entertainment stars post soon too. 

Please lord don’t take Mavis Staples. I couldn’t handle it. 

frazzdaddy

caliking said:

Amazing how so many of these folks are believers when they are in jumping the line for getting their first shot of the vaccine.

And I'll take @blind99 's pic, as a symbol of hope, any day over these damn clowns'. 

aint no atheists in foxholes.

dmchicago

PigBeanUs said:

Where are the flaggots? 

I am disappointed. 

Off getting vaccinated?

PigBeanUs

March: “Coronavirus is a hoax! “

December: “Anybody know how I can get a vaccine shot?”

Foghorn

I don't mind leaders - particularly those that have risk factors - getting publicly vaccinated.

Those who are not in a high risk group should also be role models...

Eoin

Gulfcoastguy said:

nolaegghead said:

Gulfcoastguy said:

I would take the Pfizer or Moderna vaccines in a heartbeat. As I see it though I probably won’t be offered it until Easter or so, 60 with 1 pre existing condition and no longer a critical employee. I already have spent an hour talking my parents into taking it as soon as offered. I described the likely side effects and to not let that convince them to skip the second shot. 

The AstraZeneca or Johnson & Johnson vaccines, I am not convinced of yet . We will have to have at least one of them at least in order to get everybody vaccinated by Labor Day though. The Pfizer and Moderna will only have enough vaccine for 150 million by mid summer.

Yeah, I think the efficacy of the mRNA technology is unusually high around the mid 90s percentile with mild, flu-like side effects so far....will be surprised if any of the other types of vaccines are as good.

So far AstraZeneca is either 70% or 90% depending on some different factors. What it is is 25% of the cost of Pfizer and much easier to distribute. Cost makes a difference.

I thought the cost difference was even bigger than that?  Maybe more so here, since the research was largely government funded on the basis of at cost supplies - 100 m doses pre-ordered.  I think here it's about $3 a shot, keeps in the fridge so easy to transport.  70% minimum, 90% with a different dosing regime, which I guess they are now working on.  I'll take whichever one I get given, but am well down the list. We are supposed to be at 500k doses done so far now, the AZ vaccine should be passed at the end of the month and with the pre-orders, should be ready for mass vaccination immediately.

Gulfcoastguy

Eoin said:

Gulfcoastguy said:

nolaegghead said:

Gulfcoastguy said:

I would take the Pfizer or Moderna vaccines in a heartbeat. As I see it though I probably won’t be offered it until Easter or so, 60 with 1 pre existing condition and no longer a critical employee. I already have spent an hour talking my parents into taking it as soon as offered. I described the likely side effects and to not let that convince them to skip the second shot. 

The AstraZeneca or Johnson & Johnson vaccines, I am not convinced of yet . We will have to have at least one of them at least in order to get everybody vaccinated by Labor Day though. The Pfizer and Moderna will only have enough vaccine for 150 million by mid summer.

Yeah, I think the efficacy of the mRNA technology is unusually high around the mid 90s percentile with mild, flu-like side effects so far....will be surprised if any of the other types of vaccines are as good.

So far AstraZeneca is either 70% or 90% depending on some different factors. What it is is 25% of the cost of Pfizer and much easier to distribute. Cost makes a difference.

I thought the cost difference was even bigger than that?  Maybe more so here, since the research was largely government funded on the basis of at cost supplies - 100 m doses pre-ordered.  I think here it's about $3 a shot, keeps in the fridge so easy to transport.  70% minimum, 90% with a different dosing regime, which I guess they are now working on.  I'll take whichever one I get given, but am well down the list. We are supposed to be at 500k doses done so far now, the AZ vaccine should be passed at the end of the month and with the pre-orders, should be ready for mass vaccination immediately.

Eoin said:

Gulfcoastguy said:

nolaegghead said:

Gulfcoastguy said:

I would take the Pfizer or Moderna vaccines in a heartbeat. As I see it though I probably won’t be offered it until Easter or so, 60 with 1 pre existing condition and no longer a critical employee. I already have spent an hour talking my parents into taking it as soon as offered. I described the likely side effects and to not let that convince them to skip the second shot. 

The AstraZeneca or Johnson & Johnson vaccines, I am not convinced of yet . We will have to have at least one of them at least in order to get everybody vaccinated by Labor Day though. The Pfizer and Moderna will only have enough vaccine for 150 million by mid summer.

Yeah, I think the efficacy of the mRNA technology is unusually high around the mid 90s percentile with mild, flu-like side effects so far....will be surprised if any of the other types of vaccines are as good.

So far AstraZeneca is either 70% or 90% depending on some different factors. What it is is 25% of the cost of Pfizer and much easier to distribute. Cost makes a difference.

I thought the cost difference was even bigger than that?  Maybe more so here, since the research was largely government funded on the basis of at cost supplies - 100 m doses pre-ordered.  I think here it's about $3 a shot, keeps in the fridge so easy to transport.  70% minimum, 90% with a different dosing regime, which I guess they are now working on.  I'll take whichever one I get given, but am well down the list. We are supposed to be at 500k doses done so far now, the AZ vaccine should be passed at the end of the month and with the pre-orders, should be ready for mass vaccination immediately.

I was thinking that it was less than a quarter but I didn’t want to guess low. Besides the pharmacies get to charge for the labor and other materials needed to give the shot over here. The US will need about 300 million doses from AstraZeneca combined with the supplies from Pfizer and Moderna in order to vaccinate everybody by August. 

nolaegghead

PigBeanUs

Foghorn said:

I don't mind leaders - particularly those that have risk factors - getting publicly vaccinated.

Those who are not in a high risk group should also be role models...

I do mind when those “leaders” spent the better part of none months abiding Trump’s horseh!t and ineffectiveness, downplaying the seriousness, and encouraging MAGAmorons to go maskless at their monster truck rallies. 

nolaegghead

Hey, what do you have against trucks!?

lousubcap

If the current guidelines for not giving the vaccine to those under 16 yo holds in the near term, then the US would need (all numbers approx.) 330 M - 19% = around 270 M complete doses ( 2 packs).  A bit easier to manage but still quite a supply and supply chain management challenge. 
Get it when offered.  FWIW-

nolaegghead

My prediction is we will only get to the magic number where it fizzles out here with a lot of people dying.  Keeping in mind the we live in a global community, everyone everywhere needs to take the damn vaccine otherwise it will just keep on killin.

Legume

I would disregard the vaccine cost at this point.  It won’t be out of your pockets now.  

We need any and all of it ASAP to get this under control.

Long term, year over year, that’s going to be a different game altogether as the vaccine companies may need to chase mutations/strains every year like we do with flu.  I’m would think the Pfizer and Moderna vaccines will be reformulated with better temp stability. Temp stable vaccine is the only way to go forward long term, but developing that may have delayed these initial authorizations and we need this out ASAP.

Botch

nolaegghead said:

I'm ok with letting some rich, elitist pricks jump ahead in line.  As long as it's done for the greater good.

Cost: 5 million dollars per dose.   Money will go to charities helping the people who have fallen through the cracks in this pandemic.

How about a progressive percentage of their net worth instead; say, 20% of $5M net worth, up to 91% of the top net worth, like it was at the end of WWII (and that was simple tax rate, not a vaccine fee)?
 
$5M to someone like Murdock is nothing.  

lousubcap

We don't need a socialism discussion here.  Off soap-box!

nolaegghead

lousubcap said:

We don't need a socialism discussion here.  Off soap-box!

Progressive taxation isn't socialism, we do it now.  Everyone does it.  Anyway, we're talking about health care. 

RyanStl

Gulfcoastguy said:

caliking said:

JohnInCarolina said:

Were I a politician in the House or Senate, I’d insist on not getting the vaccine until every citizen in my state or district had done so, or at least had the opportunity.

But this may be why I’m not a politician.

Admin at my hospital has placed themselves in the last category to be vaccinated, tiered as local hospital admin, then regional admin, with national/corporate going absolutely last. All healthcare providers, personnel/staff are slated to be vaccinated before they are. 

The skeptic in me says that they may get vaccinated earlier, but if they stand by their intention, that's how you show leadership. 

Sounds like they can learn from the riot at Stanford where they were doing it in the exact opposite order.

I hadn't heard about Stanford. I'll have to look it up. If the big brains at major hospitals and ivy league university can't get it right, I have little hope for the rest.

JohnInCarolina

RyanStl said:

Gulfcoastguy said:

caliking said:

JohnInCarolina said:

Were I a politician in the House or Senate, I’d insist on not getting the vaccine until every citizen in my state or district had done so, or at least had the opportunity.

But this may be why I’m not a politician.

Admin at my hospital has placed themselves in the last category to be vaccinated, tiered as local hospital admin, then regional admin, with national/corporate going absolutely last. All healthcare providers, personnel/staff are slated to be vaccinated before they are. 

The skeptic in me says that they may get vaccinated earlier, but if they stand by their intention, that's how you show leadership. 

Sounds like they can learn from the riot at Stanford where they were doing it in the exact opposite order.

I hadn't heard about Stanford. I'll have to look it up. If the big brains at major hospitals and ivy league university can't get it right, I have little hope for the rest.

The big brains at major hospitals and universities aren’t working in the administration, trust me on that. 

Foghorn

Working all night tonight.  Getting vaccinated tomorrow.  Had to work my vaccination schedule around my call schedule.  Getting a fever knocks me out of commission and someone else would have to take the call on short notice so we all worked to minimize that risk.

It's official.  In San Antonio, we have managed to protect ourselves so poorly that our hospitalization numbers are rising faster than even the "worst case scenario" models predicted a month ago.   Within 3 weeks we'll likely have more COVID patients hospitalized than when we were the nation's epicenter last summer and we were calling for more 18 wheeler morgue trucks.  But this time it is unlikely that we will be on the radar for getting more supplies or personnel to help because there will be so many places that are worse off than we are.  We're hunkering down for the holidays and I encourage others to do the same.  

QDude

Foghorn said:

Working all night tonight.  Getting vaccinated tomorrow.  Had to work my vaccination schedule around my call schedule.  Getting a fever knocks me out of commission and someone else would have to take the call on short notice so we all worked to minimize that risk.

It's official.  In San Antonio, we have managed to protect ourselves so poorly that our hospitalization numbers are rising faster than even the "worst case scenario" models predicted a month ago.   Within 3 weeks we'll likely have more COVID patients hospitalized than when we were the nation's epicenter last summer and we were calling for more 18 wheeler morgue trucks.  But this time it is unlikely that we will be on the radar for getting more supplies or personnel to help because there will be so many places that are worse off than we are.  We're hunkering down for the holidays and I encourage others to do the same.  

Stay safe Foghorn!