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  • JohnInCarolina
    JohnInCarolina Posts: 32,482
    fishlessman said:
    why wait 4 years

    Kamala Harris Meme Gallery - Politically Incorrect Humor

    Really man?
    "I've made a note never to piss you two off." - Stike
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  • fishlessman
    fishlessman Posts: 33,384
    JohnInCarolina said:
    fishlessman said:
    why wait 4 years

    Kamala Harris Meme Gallery - Politically Incorrect Humor

    Really man?

    oh come on man.  just working on my lefty libertarian side....its all new to me... its going to take practice to get it right =)
    fukahwee maine

    you can lead a fish to water but you can not make him drink it
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  • Botch
    Botch Posts: 16,196
    TEXASBGE2018 said:
    I also disagree with several aspects of Medicare for all which she seems to favor or at least a modified version of it. We no doubt need to fix tons of broken problems within our healthcare system but making it 100% government ran won’t end well. 
    @HeavyG addressed your other concerns pretty well.  I did want to throw in my 2 cents worth on this.  
    I was under 100% subsidized health care, run by the United States government, for 26 years and it was great.  Under DoD.  I had no problem seeing a doctor, got everything taken care of, in a timely manner.  And, according to Tom Philpott, at a hugely lower cost than under private insurance.
    On the other hand, the US government also runs one of the worst health systems, the VA.  Its so bad there have been many suicides, in the parking lots of VA facilities, due to frustration and poor service.
     
    We CAN do it, but it needs to be set up with the correct model, and run by a competent leader, not the biggest donor to the trump campaign (devos, the Postmaster General, etc).  
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  • HeavyG
    HeavyG Posts: 10,380
    Botch said:
    TEXASBGE2018 said:
    I also disagree with several aspects of Medicare for all which she seems to favor or at least a modified version of it. We no doubt need to fix tons of broken problems within our healthcare system but making it 100% government ran won’t end well. 
    @HeavyG addressed your other concerns pretty well.  I did want to throw in my 2 cents worth on this.  
    I was under 100% subsidized health care, run by the United States government, for 26 years and it was great.  Under DoD.  I had no problem seeing a doctor, got everything taken care of, in a timely manner.  And, according to Tom Philpott, at a hugely lower cost than under private insurance.
    On the other hand, the US government also runs one of the worst health systems, the VA.  Its so bad there have been many suicides, in the parking lots of VA facilities, due to frustration and poor service.
     
    We CAN do it, but it needs to be set up with the correct model, and run by a competent leader, not the biggest donor to the trump campaign (devos, the Postmaster General, etc).  
    In the early 1960's when I was just a wee lad I spent three weeks in Bethesda Naval Hospital for corrective heart surgery which saved my life so one could say I'm also a fan of the DOD health care system.
    “Reality is that which, when you stop believing in it, doesn't go away.” ― Philip K. Diçk




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  • Legume
    Legume Posts: 15,171
    Maybe the problem is it’s just associated with being a damn liberal idea vs being evaluated on its merits.

    We like to demonize ideas because of the perceived source or support being those other guys.  We also f-up implementation of a lot of good ideas d/t partisanship.  Both directions, this isn’t meant to be a partisan post.
    Love you bro!
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  • HeavyG
    HeavyG Posts: 10,380
    Legume said:
    Maybe the problem is it’s just associated with being a damn liberal idea vs being evaluated on its merits.

    We like to demonize ideas because of the perceived source or support being those other guys.  We also f-up implementation of a lot of good ideas d/t partisanship.  Both directions, this isn’t meant to be a partisan post.
    The Affordable Care Act (aka ObamaCare) was an idea originated by a right wing think tank and first implemented in one state by a Republican governor years before Obama was prez.

    Partisanship effectively kept the ACA from achieving its potential when key aspects were not fully implemented.

    “Reality is that which, when you stop believing in it, doesn't go away.” ― Philip K. Diçk




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  • fishlessman
    fishlessman Posts: 33,384
    HeavyG said:
    Legume said:
    Maybe the problem is it’s just associated with being a damn liberal idea vs being evaluated on its merits.

    We like to demonize ideas because of the perceived source or support being those other guys.  We also f-up implementation of a lot of good ideas d/t partisanship.  Both directions, this isn’t meant to be a partisan post.
    The Affordable Care Act (aka ObamaCare) was an idea originated by a right wing think tank and first implemented in one state by a Republican governor years before Obama was prez.

    Partisanship effectively kept the ACA from achieving its potential when key aspects were not fully implemented.


    doing romney care in mass where the public is mostly democrats in a state practically littered with hospitals and health services is completely different than doing it country wide. theres probably 50 major hospitals in a 20 mile radius of me and pretty much everyone here was already covered. there was basically the whole system in place before romney
    fukahwee maine

    you can lead a fish to water but you can not make him drink it
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  • Legume
    Legume Posts: 15,171
    and right on cue.
    Love you bro!
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  • HeavyG
    HeavyG Posts: 10,380


    Is there something in the food supply chain that is eaten mostly by Republican types over the last couple of decades? 
    “Reality is that which, when you stop believing in it, doesn't go away.” ― Philip K. Diçk




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  • JohnInCarolina
    JohnInCarolina Posts: 32,482
    edited September 2020
    fishlessman said:
    HeavyG said:
    Legume said:
    Maybe the problem is it’s just associated with being a damn liberal idea vs being evaluated on its merits.

    We like to demonize ideas because of the perceived source or support being those other guys.  We also f-up implementation of a lot of good ideas d/t partisanship.  Both directions, this isn’t meant to be a partisan post.
    The Affordable Care Act (aka ObamaCare) was an idea originated by a right wing think tank and first implemented in one state by a Republican governor years before Obama was prez.

    Partisanship effectively kept the ACA from achieving its potential when key aspects were not fully implemented.


    doing romney care in mass where the public is mostly democrats in a state practically littered with hospitals and health services is completely different than doing it country wide. theres probably 50 major hospitals in a 20 mile radius of me and pretty much everyone here was already covered. there was basically the whole system in place before romney
    You have this completely backwards.

    The basic pillars of this make perfect sense if you understand economies of scale and pooling risk.  It’s entirely independent of which state you try to put it in place.  It actually makes more sense as something to move to in regions where there are lots of people who are uninsured. 
    "I've made a note never to piss you two off." - Stike
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  • Canugghead
    Canugghead Posts: 12,069
    ‘Really?’ got buffalo’d?
    canuckland
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  • HeavyG
    HeavyG Posts: 10,380
    edited September 2020
    Canugghead said:
    ‘Really?’ got buffalo’d?
    At least we now know the Buffalo is thankfully still alive and wasn't taken from us by the Covid.

    Now I'm concerned about @TEXASBGE2018 - has he succumbed to the vapours?? 

    “Reality is that which, when you stop believing in it, doesn't go away.” ― Philip K. Diçk




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  • SGH
    SGH Posts: 28,876
    Anus. There, I said it  :D

    Location- Just "this side" of Biloxi, Ms.

    Status- Standing by.

    The greatest barrier against all wisdom, the stronghold against knowledge itself, is the single thought, in ones mind, that they already have it all figured out. 

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  • HeavyG
    HeavyG Posts: 10,380
    https://www.theatlantic.com/politics/archive/2020/09/trump-americans-who-died-at-war-are-losers-and-suckers/615997/

    Geeezus...one can only hope that in just a few more months we'll be finished with this guy.
    “Reality is that which, when you stop believing in it, doesn't go away.” ― Philip K. Diçk




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  • Canugghead
    Canugghead Posts: 12,069

    canuckland
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  • HeavyG
    HeavyG Posts: 10,380
    Canugghead said:

    The is one difference tho - only one of those trucks is filled with cosplayers. 
    “Reality is that which, when you stop believing in it, doesn't go away.” ― Philip K. Diçk




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  • HeavyG
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    “Reality is that which, when you stop believing in it, doesn't go away.” ― Philip K. Diçk




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  • Botch
    Botch Posts: 16,196

     

    ___________

    "When small men begin to cast big shadows, it means that the sun is about to set."

    - Lin Yutang


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  • HeavyG
    HeavyG Posts: 10,380
    That's why I love Twitter Trump so much, there's a tweet for everything.
    “Reality is that which, when you stop believing in it, doesn't go away.” ― Philip K. Diçk




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