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Gulfcoastguy

JohnInCarolina said:

Gulfcoastguy said:

NCSmoky said:

JohnInCarolina said:

Not a race we should be winning.  I’m getting tired of all of the winning.

If we had actual China numbers and not the CCP bs , I doubt we would be "winning". Distant 2nd at best

Did you notice that there is no comparison of cases as a percentage of the population? The US has between 320 and 330+ million people India has over a billion but most of the other countries have less than 100 million, in some cases much less.

Great point.  Let's make some comparisons that take into account population.

State of New York: population, 20 million, 138k positive cases
Country of Italy: population, 60 million, 135k positive cases

Hmmm.  

Doesn’t that say more about the state of New York than the United States? Want to compare the other 49 or compare them one by one to Northern Italy?

Gulfcoastguy

caliking said:

Gulfcoastguy said:

NCSmoky said:

JohnInCarolina said:

Not a race we should be winning.  I’m getting tired of all of the winning.

If we had actual China numbers and not the CCP bs , I doubt we would be "winning". Distant 2nd at best

Did you notice that there is no comparison of cases as a percentage of the population? The US has between 320 and 330+ million people India has over a billion but most of the other countries have less than 100 million, in some cases much less.

yes, you bring up an extremely good point.

When POTUS mentioned approximately a week or so ago that the US had tested more people than S. Korea... US population= 330ish million. SK population= 50ish million i.e. they had already tested 1 in 150 of their citizens as of ~2 weeks ago... 10K citizens daily. We're not even close, and won't be, the way things are going.

Re: India and its 1+ bn people... even they are doing a better job about contact tracing than we seem to be. Largest railway system in them in the world converted 6K+ berths in railway cars to accommodate patients (almost overnight) to try  and depressurize the medical system. That was also about a week ago. A country with a fraction of the $$$ spent on healthcare (and defense/intelligence) vs. the US. 

 Don't forget China's sizeable population. Not saying that they are being transparent about their numbers, but believe that if they really wanted to fudge the numbers, they are well capable of doing that. 

Actually my statement was favorable to to India which is why I specifically mentioned them. 

Spaightlabs

g8golfer said:

Spaightlabs said:

JohnInCarolina said:

Canugghead said:

not sure how much better or worse she could have handled this though ...

I am guessing her level of competence in managing something like this would be much closer to Obama's than it is to Trump's.  I'll just leave it at that.

But, Bhengazi!  We need another investigation into that!

But what about Russia? We need another investigation into that! 

Can't really have 'another' when there wasn't a first?

JohnInCarolina

Gulfcoastguy said:

JohnInCarolina said:

Gulfcoastguy said:

NCSmoky said:

JohnInCarolina said:

Not a race we should be winning.  I’m getting tired of all of the winning.

If we had actual China numbers and not the CCP bs , I doubt we would be "winning". Distant 2nd at best

Did you notice that there is no comparison of cases as a percentage of the population? The US has between 320 and 330+ million people India has over a billion but most of the other countries have less than 100 million, in some cases much less.

Great point.  Let's make some comparisons that take into account population.

State of New York: population, 20 million, 138k positive cases
Country of Italy: population, 60 million, 135k positive cases

Hmmm.  

Doesn’t that say more about the state of New York than the United States? Want to compare the other 49 or compare them one by one to Northern Italy?

I think it mostly demonstrates that the per capita numbers are only useful up to a point.  

The rate of growth has always been my main concern.  It should be yours too.

caliking

Gulfcoastguy said:

caliking said:

Gulfcoastguy said:

NCSmoky said:

JohnInCarolina said:

Not a race we should be winning.  I’m getting tired of all of the winning.

If we had actual China numbers and not the CCP bs , I doubt we would be "winning". Distant 2nd at best

Did you notice that there is no comparison of cases as a percentage of the population? The US has between 320 and 330+ million people India has over a billion but most of the other countries have less than 100 million, in some cases much less.

yes, you bring up an extremely good point.

When POTUS mentioned approximately a week or so ago that the US had tested more people than S. Korea... US population= 330ish million. SK population= 50ish million i.e. they had already tested 1 in 150 of their citizens as of ~2 weeks ago... 10K citizens daily. We're not even close, and won't be, the way things are going.

Re: India and its 1+ bn people... even they are doing a better job about contact tracing than we seem to be. Largest railway system in them in the world converted 6K+ berths in railway cars to accommodate patients (almost overnight) to try  and depressurize the medical system. That was also about a week ago. A country with a fraction of the $$$ spent on healthcare (and defense/intelligence) vs. the US. 

 Don't forget China's sizeable population. Not saying that they are being transparent about their numbers, but believe that if they really wanted to fudge the numbers, they are well capable of doing that. 

Actually my statement was favorable to to India which is why I specifically mentioned them. 

 it's anybody's guess as to how true the numbers from India are, in terms of COVID  positive patients and community spread  . The whole country is locked down right now, in a desperate attempt to slow this down. 

HeavyG

Funny that some say "no one could have prepared for this".

Apparently the smart folks at Wimbledon have...

StillH2OEgger

HeavyG said:

Funny that some say "no one could have prepared for this".

Apparently the smart folks at Wimbledon have...

This may explain why The Open announced its cancellation so quickly.

Botch

JohnInCarolina said:

http://twitter.com/atrupar/status/1248017643719634945?s=20

Sounds totally legit folks, I dunno.

This might explain something:
https://www.yahoo.com/huffpost/donald-trump-stake-company-hydroxychloroquine-112913777.html?guccounter=1&guce_referrer=aHR0cDovL20uZmFjZWJvb2suY29t&guce_referrer_sig=AQAAAL3zVeO_VIhTfOIxuVz2IRMVmt9jyXwUpILx9AMi8iyOTdq4Q8r70xacGMG7ZOOLWmH99mT2dsZRJskxZFeXZZeMtJGQ0XMn64XX0-ikQYItqGfnUH8_FJ9359xCPKUAoWJwTUMym_QwyRzY-XueyX5YLe9fnuAYBc3h4F13yjli
 
I don't normally trust yahoo.com as a news source, but they referenced the NYT, so there might be something to it.  I dunno.  

Botch

HeavyG said:

Funny that some say "no one could have prepared for this".

Apparently the smart folks at Wimbledon have...

Interesting!  Wonder if the NFL, NBA, MLB, NHL, et al had similar insurance?  

Gulfcoastguy

Hydroxychloroquine is a generic drug so not much money to be made there. Heck My pension is invested in mutual funds, I might make a quarter off of that drug.

Botch

Gulfcoastguy said:

JohnInCarolina said:
Great point.  Let's make some comparisons that take into account population.

State of New York: population, 20 million, 138k positive cases
Country of Italy: population, 60 million, 135k positive cases

Hmmm.  

Doesn’t that say more about the state of New York than the United States? Want to compare the other 49 or compare them one by one to Northern Italy?

That would be a good exercise... 3 or 4 weeks from now.  NYC is a travel/business hub, with extremely high population density and mass public transit,  so it obviously got hit early on.  LA might've been in a similar situation, except:
a.  everyone there commutes in individual automobiles, and
b.  Guv'nor Newson clamped down quicker than Guv'nor Cuomo.
 
FL is getting hit now because they didn't regulate Spring Break (and a huge elderly pop), and Nawlins for the same reason (Mardi Gras/St Paddie's).  Michigan/Detroit are also a hot spot now, I don't know why.  
 
Give it three/four weeks.  The hot spots will switch to the defiant "let's go to church!" evangelical areas, the less populated central states, the states where the Guv'nors didn't impose a shutdown (including my own).  Sadly, the med facilities in these places are much weaker.   
 
I'm afraid the peaks will come much quicker in those places... 

Gulfcoastguy

Actually my parents Southern Baptist church has been streaming services only for 5 weeks now. It actually amazed me. My parents have been holed up on their property for about the same time. They were saved from boredom though. The IRS decided to audit them and 2 of their 5 grand children will be filing for divorce.

Botch

^^^ My "Like" applied to only your first 3 sentences.  

Gulfcoastguy

Yeah a bit of a surprise. Since there will be court proceedings likely with one of the couples and the other couple have a child it will be best if I don’t go into it. 

JohnInCarolina

HeavyG said:

Funny that some say "no one could have prepared for this".

Apparently the smart folks at Wimbledon have...

Some organizations are much better than others at calculating risk and planning accordingly.  

JohnInCarolina

http://twitter.com/mannysands/status/1248084562183413762?s=20

fishlessman

scaling back

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The estimated death toll from the coronavirus pandemic in the United States is now expected to reach 60,000 after new projections scaled back the number of fatalities by 26 percent

caliking

fishlessman said:

scaling back

 

The estimated death toll from the coronavirus pandemic in the United States is now expected to reach 60,000 after new projections scaled back the number of fatalities by 26 percent

Apparently because "stay at home" measures have been more successful than previously estimated. Previous estimates were made assuming 50% of people were staying put, but its been higher than that.

I only hope the fatalities projections continue to fall.

JohnInCarolina

caliking said:

fishlessman said:

scaling back

 

The estimated death toll from the coronavirus pandemic in the United States is now expected to reach 60,000 after new projections scaled back the number of fatalities by 26 percent

Apparently because "stay at home" measures have been more successful than previously estimated. Previous estimates were made assuming 50% of people were staying put, but its been higher than that.

I only hope the fatalities projections continue to fall.

Well and then there is the issue that these are assuming that social distancing continues for quite a long period of time.  For me one of the main concerns is people and municipalities relaxing these measures too quickly.  

Gulfcoastguy

Something to consider. This is the time that farmers in the US start planting their major crops. Food stockpiles aren’t bottomless.

JohnInCarolina

Gulfcoastguy said:

Something to consider. This is the time that farmers in the US start planting their major crops. Food stockpiles aren’t bottomless.

I'm not sure I understand the point.  Haven't these farms been ruled "essential" ?  

GATraveller

JohnInCarolina said:

Gulfcoastguy said:

Something to consider. This is the time that farmers in the US start planting their major crops. Food stockpiles aren’t bottomless.

I'm not sure I understand the point.  Haven't these farms been ruled "essential" ?  

Yes. 

DoubleEgger

GATraveller said:

JohnInCarolina said:

Gulfcoastguy said:

Something to consider. This is the time that farmers in the US start planting their major crops. Food stockpiles aren’t bottomless.

I'm not sure I understand the point.  Haven't these farms been ruled "essential" ?  

Yes. 

Considering that I see “Bath Fitter”commercials that tout their essential status, I would agree that anything food related would surely be deemed essential. 

Gulfcoastguy

Most farmers are in their 50’s . They also don’t function independently. They have to buy fertilizer, fuel, seed, equipment parts etc and have it delivered. They hire temporary labor for planting some crops and fire harvesting more. If their crops get harvested then they need to be processed, packaged, distributed, and sold. Milk is already being dumped. I know blueberry and produce farms that operate on the “you pick it” model. Will their customers show up and will they have the money to do so? 

alaskanassasin

Farmers Constantly deal with adversity. SNAFU is how we roll.

SamIAm2

Neighbor is going to the blueberry farm in Mims on tomorrow, masked and gloved. Not sure how he will clean the berries when he gets them home if they have been touched my someone asymptomatic not gloved.  

Gulfcoastguy

SamIAm2 said:

Neighbor is going to the blueberry farm in Mims on tomorrow, masked and gloved. Not sure how he will clean the berries when he gets them home if they have been touched my someone asymptomatic not gloved.  

You put the berries in a colander/strainer and run tap water through them. If the berries are cooked for jams, pies , etc it should kill the virus. 

Canugghead

Gulfcoastguy said:

SamIAm2 said:

Neighbor is going to the blueberry farm in Mims on tomorrow, masked and gloved. Not sure how he will clean the berries when he gets them home if they have been touched my someone asymptomatic not gloved.  

You put the berries in a colander/strainer and run tap water through them. If the berries are cooked for jams, pies , etc it should kill the virus. 

I would soak them in solution of vinegar and pickling salt, then rinse with fresh water. Then wait a week before eating?

DoubleEgger

saluki2007

This is an excerpt from the local paper. 

So, maybe a fine isn't enough.

If boneheads want to leave home for no good reason and create risk in order to have fun, I have an idea that ties all that together — for all of us.

Skip the fines. Instead, police can cite violators and direct them to gather in one end zone at the high school football field every Friday night at 7 p.m. At the sound of a whistle, they then would have to simply plod across the field to the other end zone.

Oh, one thing: at the 50 yard line, there will be, say, 10 law-abiding (yet highly irritated) citizens, each armed with a Taser. As the violators run past, the Taser-toters each get one shot.

ZAP! Times 10.

Think of the excitement! Some violators will dash by without harm, while others will writhe in electronic agony. If they enjoy risk so much, this ought to be right up their alley.

Meantime, those who obey the order — fill the stands with them! — can enjoy a vicarious thrill of punishment. Win-win, I say.

What's that? You say this idea is outrageous and unethical? No more so than that of self-indulgent jerks who flit about willy-nilly and don't care about spreading disease during a global pandemic.