OT - Mass shootings and gun control - OT

4Runner

Spaightlabs said:

4Runner said:

JohnInCarolina said:

Again, we pretty much have majority support in the US around universal background checks, getting rid of several loopholes, etc.  

Such legislation would in all likelihood not have prevented the tragedy in LV from occurring, Sandy Hook, and other mass shootings, that is true.  But that doesn't mean they don't make sense in their own right.  

We still can't get them passed, and that's a problem.  

Big reach.  Huge reach.  And this “majority” reference.  Not buying it. Sounds like a internet blog to me.  The LV shooting was done by a lunatic that broke the law.  I’m struggling with how new laws would have helped...just means to me he would have broken new laws.  

Statistically something like 68% of laws are broken by criminals.  Since that is the case, apparently no new laws should be passed?

Or let’s pass a bunch of new ones hope they will make a difference. Maybe we hit the lottery this time. Always a chance.  I guess we still have enforcement but that is hard. 

Dobie

bgebrent said:

Spaightlabs said:

bgebrent said:

WTF?  Criminals break 100% of laws.  What new law do you propose that could have prevented this tragedy??  Are you educated on all of the current laws that forbid this behavior?  Help me here.

Holy $hit, you are RIGHT!  Criminals commit crimes.  That doesn't mean you never pass new laws.  You also can't prevent a crime that has already happened, you pass new laws to prevent a future crime...

Define this new law you imagine that would prevent the LV killings, the Jacksonville killings, the Colorado killings and the Sandy Hook killings.  Sounds good to me!  Couldn't wish for anything more!!  Define the law you envision my friend.
And please recognize all the laws in place to prevent and prosecute murder.

You've mentioned Jacksonville a few times now, are you referring to the Orlando night club shooting? 

JohnInCarolina

g8golfer said:

Honestly how can it be fixed? I watched videos of the shooting online and it put chills on me. I own a AR15 and several other guns but don’t know what we can do to fix this issue. 

I don't know man... not much, realistically, at least not where politics is in our country right now.  

Sandy Hook was really hard to process, especially as the father of two young girls.  I hope we never again see anything remotely like that, but this was pretty friggin terrible.

I just don't understand how someone could do that.  Can't process it.    All those people, just there to enjoy some music, none of them known by the shooter.  How do you fire round after round of bullets into a sea of innocent people, for like five minutes straight?  It's insane.  Pure, unadulterated evil.  

Eggcelsior

SemolinaPilchard said:

If there were fewer of those Prius weiniemobiles there would be fewer blind people mowed over trying to cross the street. I say we ban weiniemobiles.

What did lifted Bro-trucks for small-penis compensation do to you? Is it the truck nuts?

bgebrent

Dobie said:

bgebrent said:

Spaightlabs said:

bgebrent said:

WTF?  Criminals break 100% of laws.  What new law do you propose that could have prevented this tragedy??  Are you educated on all of the current laws that forbid this behavior?  Help me here.

Holy $hit, you are RIGHT!  Criminals commit crimes.  That doesn't mean you never pass new laws.  You also can't prevent a crime that has already happened, you pass new laws to prevent a future crime...

Define this new law you imagine that would prevent the LV killings, the Jacksonville killings, the Colorado killings and the Sandy Hook killings.  Sounds good to me!  Couldn't wish for anything more!!  Define the law you envision my friend.
And please recognize all the laws in place to prevent and prosecute murder.

You've mentioned Jacksonville a few times now, are you referring to the Orlando night club shooting? 

Yes, apologies included.  Thank you for clarifying.

DoubleEgger

g8golfer said:

Honestly how can it be fixed? I watched videos of the shooting online and it put chills on me. I own a AR15 and several other guns but don’t know what we can do to fix this issue. 

You'll never stop people from killing each other. That's been going on since the beginning of time. The discussion is how you can prevent mass shootings. 500+ people shot is crazy. I've shot a full auto mp5. I could empty a 30 round mag in less than 3 seconds. Those shots I heard didn't sound that fast. I suspect that it was one of those bump stocks or trigger cranks with multiple magazines linked together. Far more than 30 shots before any pause from the shooter. Those type items that are likely bought without any background checks will likely become the focal point of debate over the upcoming months. 

theyolksonyou

JohnInCarolina said:

g8golfer said:

Honestly how can it be fixed? I watched videos of the shooting online and it put chills on me. I own a AR15 and several other guns but don’t know what we can do to fix this issue. 

I don't know man... not much, realistically, at least not where politics is in our country right now.  

Sandy Hook was really hard to process, especially as the father of two young girls.  I hope we never again see anything remotely like that, but this was pretty friggin terrible.

I just don't understand how someone could do that.  Can't process it.    All those people, just there to enjoy some music, none of them known by the shooter.  How do you fire round after round of bullets into a sea of innocent people, for like five minutes straight?  It's insane.  Pure, unadulterated evil.  

This. How do you drive a truck into a crowd in Nice and kill 86 people and injur more than 450?   It's not just guns, it's people. No easy answer  

Dobie

bgebrent said:

Dobie said:

bgebrent said:

Spaightlabs said:

bgebrent said:

WTF?  Criminals break 100% of laws.  What new law do you propose that could have prevented this tragedy??  Are you educated on all of the current laws that forbid this behavior?  Help me here.

Holy $hit, you are RIGHT!  Criminals commit crimes.  That doesn't mean you never pass new laws.  You also can't prevent a crime that has already happened, you pass new laws to prevent a future crime...

Define this new law you imagine that would prevent the LV killings, the Jacksonville killings, the Colorado killings and the Sandy Hook killings.  Sounds good to me!  Couldn't wish for anything more!!  Define the law you envision my friend.
And please recognize all the laws in place to prevent and prosecute murder.

You've mentioned Jacksonville a few times now, are you referring to the Orlando night club shooting? 

Yes, apologies included.  Thank you for clarifying.

No worries, we have more than our share of violence in Jax. 

g8golfer

@JohnInCarolina sandy hook realty really set in when we started sending my daughter to preschool. I have had several job offers to move to more populated city’s but I won’t cause of the crime rate. I live in small town America a county of about 5,000 ppl. Not saying something couldn’t happen tomorrow but I just prefer to stay off the beaten path. Don’t live in a bubble but I read a statistic the other day that said our town has had 6 murders in the last 10 years. 

bgebrent

JohnInCarolina said:

g8golfer said:

Honestly how can it be fixed? I watched videos of the shooting online and it put chills on me. I own a AR15 and several other guns but don’t know what we can do to fix this issue. 

I don't know man... not much, realistically, at least not where politics is in our country right now.  

Sandy Hook was really hard to process, especially as the father of two young girls.  I hope we never again see anything remotely like that, but this was pretty friggin terrible.

I just don't understand how someone could do that.  Can't process it.    All those people, just there to enjoy some music, none of them known by the shooter.  How do you fire round after round of bullets into a sea of innocent people, for like five minutes straight?  It's insane.  Pure, unadulterated evil.  

Politics should be irrelevant if you own a brain.  You do.  Anyone who thinks this is anything beyond a mental health issue or on rare occasion domestic terrorism, which this likely isn't, needs to reconsider.  It's hard to process John but briefly.  It's not anything "evil", or Satan or any other **** people assign it.  It's F'd in the head mental illness.  You need to understand how some sick person does this.  No science can do that for us and therein lies the rub.

JohnInCarolina

bgebrent said:

JohnInCarolina said:

g8golfer said:

Honestly how can it be fixed? I watched videos of the shooting online and it put chills on me. I own a AR15 and several other guns but don’t know what we can do to fix this issue. 

I don't know man... not much, realistically, at least not where politics is in our country right now.  

Sandy Hook was really hard to process, especially as the father of two young girls.  I hope we never again see anything remotely like that, but this was pretty friggin terrible.

I just don't understand how someone could do that.  Can't process it.    All those people, just there to enjoy some music, none of them known by the shooter.  How do you fire round after round of bullets into a sea of innocent people, for like five minutes straight?  It's insane.  Pure, unadulterated evil.  

Politics should be irrelevant if you own a brain.  You do.  Anyone who thinks this is anything beyond a mental health issue or on rare occasion domestic terrorism, which this likely isn't, needs to reconsider.  It's hard to process John but briefly.  It's not anything "evil", or Satan or any other **** people assign it.  It's F'd in the head mental illness.  You need to understand how some sick person does this.  No science can do that for us and therein lies the rub.

Brent with all due respect I don't think we really know enough of the facts yet to draw real sound conclusions about the cause/motive of this particular incident.  I suspect we'll learn quite a bit more in the days and weeks ahead.

bgebrent

JohnInCarolina said:

bgebrent said:

JohnInCarolina said:

g8golfer said:

Honestly how can it be fixed? I watched videos of the shooting online and it put chills on me. I own a AR15 and several other guns but don’t know what we can do to fix this issue. 

I don't know man... not much, realistically, at least not where politics is in our country right now.  

Sandy Hook was really hard to process, especially as the father of two young girls.  I hope we never again see anything remotely like that, but this was pretty friggin terrible.

I just don't understand how someone could do that.  Can't process it.    All those people, just there to enjoy some music, none of them known by the shooter.  How do you fire round after round of bullets into a sea of innocent people, for like five minutes straight?  It's insane.  Pure, unadulterated evil.  

Politics should be irrelevant if you own a brain.  You do.  Anyone who thinks this is anything beyond a mental health issue or on rare occasion domestic terrorism, which this likely isn't, needs to reconsider.  It's hard to process John but briefly.  It's not anything "evil", or Satan or any other **** people assign it.  It's F'd in the head mental illness.  You need to understand how some sick person does this.  No science can do that for us and therein lies the rub.

Brent with all due respect I don't think we really know enough of the facts yet to draw real sound conclusions about the cause/motive of this particular incident.  I suspect we'll learn quite a bit more in the days and weeks ahead.

John, with all due respect, I agree.  But I also know no human does this outside of the realm of mental illness historically.  There's more to learn,  can't blame the guns, only the sick shooter.

HeavyG

JohnInCarolina

bgebrent said:

JohnInCarolina said:

bgebrent said:

JohnInCarolina said:

g8golfer said:

Honestly how can it be fixed? I watched videos of the shooting online and it put chills on me. I own a AR15 and several other guns but don’t know what we can do to fix this issue. 

I don't know man... not much, realistically, at least not where politics is in our country right now.  

Sandy Hook was really hard to process, especially as the father of two young girls.  I hope we never again see anything remotely like that, but this was pretty friggin terrible.

I just don't understand how someone could do that.  Can't process it.    All those people, just there to enjoy some music, none of them known by the shooter.  How do you fire round after round of bullets into a sea of innocent people, for like five minutes straight?  It's insane.  Pure, unadulterated evil.  

Politics should be irrelevant if you own a brain.  You do.  Anyone who thinks this is anything beyond a mental health issue or on rare occasion domestic terrorism, which this likely isn't, needs to reconsider.  It's hard to process John but briefly.  It's not anything "evil", or Satan or any other **** people assign it.  It's F'd in the head mental illness.  You need to understand how some sick person does this.  No science can do that for us and therein lies the rub.

Brent with all due respect I don't think we really know enough of the facts yet to draw real sound conclusions about the cause/motive of this particular incident.  I suspect we'll learn quite a bit more in the days and weeks ahead.

John, with all due respect, I agree.  But I also know no human does this outside of the realm of mental illness historically.  There's more to learn,  can't blame the guns, only the sick shooter.

Was Timothy McVeigh mentally ill?  Not according to people who examined him.

We seek answers to these kind of things in mental illness because the alternatives are too difficult to process. 

DoubleEgger

You've got a point John. Every murderer on death row has been evaluated for mental illness countless times. 

DMW

JohnInCarolina said:

bgebrent said:

JohnInCarolina said:

bgebrent said:

JohnInCarolina said:

g8golfer said:

Honestly how can it be fixed? I watched videos of the shooting online and it put chills on me. I own a AR15 and several other guns but don’t know what we can do to fix this issue. 

I don't know man... not much, realistically, at least not where politics is in our country right now.  

Sandy Hook was really hard to process, especially as the father of two young girls.  I hope we never again see anything remotely like that, but this was pretty friggin terrible.

I just don't understand how someone could do that.  Can't process it.    All those people, just there to enjoy some music, none of them known by the shooter.  How do you fire round after round of bullets into a sea of innocent people, for like five minutes straight?  It's insane.  Pure, unadulterated evil.  

Politics should be irrelevant if you own a brain.  You do.  Anyone who thinks this is anything beyond a mental health issue or on rare occasion domestic terrorism, which this likely isn't, needs to reconsider.  It's hard to process John but briefly.  It's not anything "evil", or Satan or any other **** people assign it.  It's F'd in the head mental illness.  You need to understand how some sick person does this.  No science can do that for us and therein lies the rub.

Brent with all due respect I don't think we really know enough of the facts yet to draw real sound conclusions about the cause/motive of this particular incident.  I suspect we'll learn quite a bit more in the days and weeks ahead.

John, with all due respect, I agree.  But I also know no human does this outside of the realm of mental illness historically.  There's more to learn,  can't blame the guns, only the sick shooter.

Was Timothy McVeigh mentally ill?  Not according to people who examined him.

We seek answers to these kind of things in mental illness because the alternatives are too difficult to process. 

He was a sicko, I don't care who examined him.

JohnInCarolina

DMW said:

JohnInCarolina said:

bgebrent said:

JohnInCarolina said:

bgebrent said:

JohnInCarolina said:

g8golfer said:

Honestly how can it be fixed? I watched videos of the shooting online and it put chills on me. I own a AR15 and several other guns but don’t know what we can do to fix this issue. 

I don't know man... not much, realistically, at least not where politics is in our country right now.  

Sandy Hook was really hard to process, especially as the father of two young girls.  I hope we never again see anything remotely like that, but this was pretty friggin terrible.

I just don't understand how someone could do that.  Can't process it.    All those people, just there to enjoy some music, none of them known by the shooter.  How do you fire round after round of bullets into a sea of innocent people, for like five minutes straight?  It's insane.  Pure, unadulterated evil.  

Politics should be irrelevant if you own a brain.  You do.  Anyone who thinks this is anything beyond a mental health issue or on rare occasion domestic terrorism, which this likely isn't, needs to reconsider.  It's hard to process John but briefly.  It's not anything "evil", or Satan or any other **** people assign it.  It's F'd in the head mental illness.  You need to understand how some sick person does this.  No science can do that for us and therein lies the rub.

Brent with all due respect I don't think we really know enough of the facts yet to draw real sound conclusions about the cause/motive of this particular incident.  I suspect we'll learn quite a bit more in the days and weeks ahead.

John, with all due respect, I agree.  But I also know no human does this outside of the realm of mental illness historically.  There's more to learn,  can't blame the guns, only the sick shooter.

Was Timothy McVeigh mentally ill?  Not according to people who examined him.

We seek answers to these kind of things in mental illness because the alternatives are too difficult to process. 

He was a sicko, I don't care who examined him.

He was a bad dude for sure, but not mentally ill by all accounts.  

I think we tend to use these terms a little more loosely than they should be.  Those of us with a history of mental illness in our own families are probably a bit more tuned to these sorts of things.

bgebrent

JohnInCarolina said:

bgebrent said:

JohnInCarolina said:

bgebrent said:

JohnInCarolina said:

g8golfer said:

Honestly how can it be fixed? I watched videos of the shooting online and it put chills on me. I own a AR15 and several other guns but don’t know what we can do to fix this issue. 

I don't know man... not much, realistically, at least not where politics is in our country right now.  

Sandy Hook was really hard to process, especially as the father of two young girls.  I hope we never again see anything remotely like that, but this was pretty friggin terrible.

I just don't understand how someone could do that.  Can't process it.    All those people, just there to enjoy some music, none of them known by the shooter.  How do you fire round after round of bullets into a sea of innocent people, for like five minutes straight?  It's insane.  Pure, unadulterated evil.  

Politics should be irrelevant if you own a brain.  You do.  Anyone who thinks this is anything beyond a mental health issue or on rare occasion domestic terrorism, which this likely isn't, needs to reconsider.  It's hard to process John but briefly.  It's not anything "evil", or Satan or any other **** people assign it.  It's F'd in the head mental illness.  You need to understand how some sick person does this.  No science can do that for us and therein lies the rub.

Brent with all due respect I don't think we really know enough of the facts yet to draw real sound conclusions about the cause/motive of this particular incident.  I suspect we'll learn quite a bit more in the days and weeks ahead.

John, with all due respect, I agree.  But I also know no human does this outside of the realm of mental illness historically.  There's more to learn,  can't blame the guns, only the sick shooter.

Was Timothy McVeigh mentally ill?  Not according to people who examined him.

We seek answers to these kind of things in mental illness because the alternatives are too difficult to process. 

JC!  Are you kidding???  I've operated on McVeigh's victims.  He was sick!  Please forward me his medical records that prove he wasn't sick.  Why do you choose to beat this drum.  I like how you dig up the dark hole of we can never know.  Not what any scientist worth his weight is spit ever does.  You would probably believe the LV wasn't sick because his blood pressure was normal, right?  Open your mind.

DMW

JohnInCarolina said:

DMW said:

JohnInCarolina said:

bgebrent said:

JohnInCarolina said:

bgebrent said:

JohnInCarolina said:

g8golfer said:

Honestly how can it be fixed? I watched videos of the shooting online and it put chills on me. I own a AR15 and several other guns but don’t know what we can do to fix this issue. 

I don't know man... not much, realistically, at least not where politics is in our country right now.  

Sandy Hook was really hard to process, especially as the father of two young girls.  I hope we never again see anything remotely like that, but this was pretty friggin terrible.

I just don't understand how someone could do that.  Can't process it.    All those people, just there to enjoy some music, none of them known by the shooter.  How do you fire round after round of bullets into a sea of innocent people, for like five minutes straight?  It's insane.  Pure, unadulterated evil.  

Politics should be irrelevant if you own a brain.  You do.  Anyone who thinks this is anything beyond a mental health issue or on rare occasion domestic terrorism, which this likely isn't, needs to reconsider.  It's hard to process John but briefly.  It's not anything "evil", or Satan or any other **** people assign it.  It's F'd in the head mental illness.  You need to understand how some sick person does this.  No science can do that for us and therein lies the rub.

Brent with all due respect I don't think we really know enough of the facts yet to draw real sound conclusions about the cause/motive of this particular incident.  I suspect we'll learn quite a bit more in the days and weeks ahead.

John, with all due respect, I agree.  But I also know no human does this outside of the realm of mental illness historically.  There's more to learn,  can't blame the guns, only the sick shooter.

Was Timothy McVeigh mentally ill?  Not according to people who examined him.

We seek answers to these kind of things in mental illness because the alternatives are too difficult to process. 

He was a sicko, I don't care who examined him.

He was a bad dude for sure, but not mentally ill by all accounts.  

I think we tend to use these terms a little more loosely than they should be.  Those of us with a history of mental illness in our own families are probably a bit more tuned to these sorts of things.

I will give you that. Mental illness is a broad brush for sure. There was *something* wrong with him. What it was, I don't know.

bgebrent

DMW said:

JohnInCarolina said:

DMW said:

JohnInCarolina said:

bgebrent said:

JohnInCarolina said:

bgebrent said:

JohnInCarolina said:

g8golfer said:

Honestly how can it be fixed? I watched videos of the shooting online and it put chills on me. I own a AR15 and several other guns but don’t know what we can do to fix this issue. 

I don't know man... not much, realistically, at least not where politics is in our country right now.  

Sandy Hook was really hard to process, especially as the father of two young girls.  I hope we never again see anything remotely like that, but this was pretty friggin terrible.

I just don't understand how someone could do that.  Can't process it.    All those people, just there to enjoy some music, none of them known by the shooter.  How do you fire round after round of bullets into a sea of innocent people, for like five minutes straight?  It's insane.  Pure, unadulterated evil.  

Politics should be irrelevant if you own a brain.  You do.  Anyone who thinks this is anything beyond a mental health issue or on rare occasion domestic terrorism, which this likely isn't, needs to reconsider.  It's hard to process John but briefly.  It's not anything "evil", or Satan or any other **** people assign it.  It's F'd in the head mental illness.  You need to understand how some sick person does this.  No science can do that for us and therein lies the rub.

Brent with all due respect I don't think we really know enough of the facts yet to draw real sound conclusions about the cause/motive of this particular incident.  I suspect we'll learn quite a bit more in the days and weeks ahead.

John, with all due respect, I agree.  But I also know no human does this outside of the realm of mental illness historically.  There's more to learn,  can't blame the guns, only the sick shooter.

Was Timothy McVeigh mentally ill?  Not according to people who examined him.

We seek answers to these kind of things in mental illness because the alternatives are too difficult to process. 

He was a sicko, I don't care who examined him.

He was a bad dude for sure, but not mentally ill by all accounts.  

I think we tend to use these terms a little more loosely than they should be.  Those of us with a history of mental illness in our own families are probably a bit more tuned to these sorts of things.

I will give you that. Mental illness is a broad brush for sure. There was *something* wrong with him. What it was, I don't know.

Nice glossy painting Dwayne.  The guy was sick and likely untreated.  It's very clear.  "Mental Illness" because I'm no expert, but mental illness is the case every time.

HeavyG

bgebrent said:

JohnInCarolina said:

bgebrent said:

JohnInCarolina said:

bgebrent said:

JohnInCarolina said:

g8golfer said:

Honestly how can it be fixed? I watched videos of the shooting online and it put chills on me. I own a AR15 and several other guns but don’t know what we can do to fix this issue. 

I don't know man... not much, realistically, at least not where politics is in our country right now.  

Sandy Hook was really hard to process, especially as the father of two young girls.  I hope we never again see anything remotely like that, but this was pretty friggin terrible.

I just don't understand how someone could do that.  Can't process it.    All those people, just there to enjoy some music, none of them known by the shooter.  How do you fire round after round of bullets into a sea of innocent people, for like five minutes straight?  It's insane.  Pure, unadulterated evil.  

Politics should be irrelevant if you own a brain.  You do.  Anyone who thinks this is anything beyond a mental health issue or on rare occasion domestic terrorism, which this likely isn't, needs to reconsider.  It's hard to process John but briefly.  It's not anything "evil", or Satan or any other **** people assign it.  It's F'd in the head mental illness.  You need to understand how some sick person does this.  No science can do that for us and therein lies the rub.

Brent with all due respect I don't think we really know enough of the facts yet to draw real sound conclusions about the cause/motive of this particular incident.  I suspect we'll learn quite a bit more in the days and weeks ahead.

John, with all due respect, I agree.  But I also know no human does this outside of the realm of mental illness historically.  There's more to learn,  can't blame the guns, only the sick shooter.

Was Timothy McVeigh mentally ill?  Not according to people who examined him.

We seek answers to these kind of things in mental illness because the alternatives are too difficult to process. 

JC!  Are you kidding???  I've operated on McVeigh's victims.  He was sick!  Please forward me his medical records that prove he wasn't sick.  Why do you choose to beat this drum.  I like how you dig up the dark hole of we can never know.  Not what any scientist worth his weight is spit ever does.  You would probably believe the LV wasn't sick because his blood pressure was normal, right?  Open your mind.

Was little Timmy found to be mentally incompetent and unable to stand trial?

Did our system judge him to insane and not responsible for his actions and thus just sentence him to a psych ward for life?

HeavyG

bgebrent

HeavyG said:

bgebrent said:

JohnInCarolina said:

bgebrent said:

JohnInCarolina said:

bgebrent said:

JohnInCarolina said:

g8golfer said:

Honestly how can it be fixed? I watched videos of the shooting online and it put chills on me. I own a AR15 and several other guns but don’t know what we can do to fix this issue. 

I don't know man... not much, realistically, at least not where politics is in our country right now.  

Sandy Hook was really hard to process, especially as the father of two young girls.  I hope we never again see anything remotely like that, but this was pretty friggin terrible.

I just don't understand how someone could do that.  Can't process it.    All those people, just there to enjoy some music, none of them known by the shooter.  How do you fire round after round of bullets into a sea of innocent people, for like five minutes straight?  It's insane.  Pure, unadulterated evil.  

Politics should be irrelevant if you own a brain.  You do.  Anyone who thinks this is anything beyond a mental health issue or on rare occasion domestic terrorism, which this likely isn't, needs to reconsider.  It's hard to process John but briefly.  It's not anything "evil", or Satan or any other **** people assign it.  It's F'd in the head mental illness.  You need to understand how some sick person does this.  No science can do that for us and therein lies the rub.

Brent with all due respect I don't think we really know enough of the facts yet to draw real sound conclusions about the cause/motive of this particular incident.  I suspect we'll learn quite a bit more in the days and weeks ahead.

John, with all due respect, I agree.  But I also know no human does this outside of the realm of mental illness historically.  There's more to learn,  can't blame the guns, only the sick shooter.

Was Timothy McVeigh mentally ill?  Not according to people who examined him.

We seek answers to these kind of things in mental illness because the alternatives are too difficult to process. 

JC!  Are you kidding???  I've operated on McVeigh's victims.  He was sick!  Please forward me his medical records that prove he wasn't sick.  Why do you choose to beat this drum.  I like how you dig up the dark hole of we can never know.  Not what any scientist worth his weight is spit ever does.  You would probably believe the LV wasn't sick because his blood pressure was normal, right?  Open your mind.

Was little Timmy found to be mentally incompetent and unable to stand trial?

Did our system judge him to insane and not responsible for his actions and thus just sentence him to a psych ward for life?

Our system of JP sentenced him to death.  Don't recall anyone calling him "little Timmy" other than you.  You think he was sane?  Do you disagree with the sentence "little Timmy" got?  You're expertise in mental illness is what?

YukonRon

Seriously.
The weapon is of no consequence when someone mentally ill, or extremists decide to take out as many as he/she/they can. Trucks, planes, bombs, rifles, semi auto, and full auto have been used. 
Those people will find a way, no matter what legislation is in place.
Our right to protect ourselves is lost when have no means to do so. 
It is a violent world in which we live, and where we choose to live. I choose to do what I can, to give me a chance, against those wishing me or my family harm.
I will never intentionally be at a armed disadvantage in my home. I love my family, too much, to do so.
It will likely occur again. I hope none of us will even be remotely touched by such a horrendous event. 
There are many sick asz holes out there. Be prepared.
Evade, seek cover, fight back. Survive.
It is the reality of our world.

bgebrent

YukonRon said:

Seriously.
The weapon is of no consequence when someone mentally ill, or extremists decide to take out as many as he/she/they can. Trucks, planes, bombs, rifles, semi auto, and full auto have been used. 
Those people will find a way, no matter what legislation is in place.
Our right to protect ourselves is lost when have no means to do so. 
It is a violent world in which we live, and where we choose to live. I choose to do what I can, to give me a chance, against those wishing me or my family harm.
I will never intentionally be at a armed disadvantage in my home. I love my family, too much, to do so.
It will likely occur again. I hope none of us will even be remotely touched by such a horrendous event. 
There are many sick asz holes out there. Be prepared.
Evade, seek cover, fight back. Survive.
It is the reality of our world.

Exactly what I've been saying.  Sad the liberals think this is a point of contention.

DoubleEgger

Interesting that so many people are clinging to their 2nd amendment rights today while demonizing NFL players for exercising their 1st amendment rights. 

bgebrent

DoubleEgger said:

Interesting that so many people are clinging to their 2nd amendment rights today while demonizing NFL players for exercising their 1st amendment rights. 

Off target Michael.  Glad Fox will not broadcast the NA.  Keep this focused on guns.

DoubleEgger

bgebrent said:

DoubleEgger said:

Interesting that so many people are clinging to their 2nd amendment rights today while demonizing NFL players for exercising their 1st amendment rights. 

Off target Michael.  Glad Fox will not broadcast the NA.  Keep this focused on guns.

I beg to differ. I have seen so much right wing hypocrisy today that it's unbelievable. 

westernbbq

bgebrent said:

YukonRon said:

Seriously.
The weapon is of no consequence when someone mentally ill, or extremists decide to take out as many as he/she/they can. Trucks, planes, bombs, rifles, semi auto, and full auto have been used. 
Those people will find a way, no matter what legislation is in place.
Our right to protect ourselves is lost when have no means to do so. 
It is a violent world in which we live, and where we choose to live. I choose to do what I can, to give me a chance, against those wishing me or my family harm.
I will never intentionally be at a armed disadvantage in my home. I love my family, too much, to do so.
It will likely occur again. I hope none of us will even be remotely touched by such a horrendous event. 
There are many sick asz holes out there. Be prepared.
Evade, seek cover, fight back. Survive.
It is the reality of our world.

Exactly what I've been saying.  Sad the liberals think this is a point of contention.

AMEN BROTHERS!   Maybe keeping guns out of the hands of gang bangers in Chicago would...oh wait i guess thats racist according to Rham, oh wait Chicago has tough gun laws so its mainly the bad guys who have guns


This event in vegas is horrible and all the gun legislation in the universe wouldnt have kept this dead rat from committing the deadliest shooting in us history...nor would it have stopped hodgkinson or the orlando night club shooter

bgebrent

DoubleEgger said:

bgebrent said:

DoubleEgger said:

Interesting that so many people are clinging to their 2nd amendment rights today while demonizing NFL players for exercising their 1st amendment rights. 

Off target Michael.  Glad Fox will not broadcast the NA.  Keep this focused on guns.

I beg to differ. I have seen so much right wing hypocrisy today that it's unbelievable. 

I haven't watched the mainstream bs you apparently choose to so I cannot relate.