OT - Mass shootings and gun control - OT

Hans61

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=n71CSp8NJlc

JohnInCarolina

This should go well.

Gulfcoastguy

Let’s wait and see what existing gun laws were broken? Besides that little multiple homicide one that is.

Hans61

JohnInCarolina said:

This should go well.

I hope people listen to the whole 15minutes, what are the chances?

4Runner

GC works great as the law abiding citizens will certainly comply.  If we can just get the criminals to comply with the laws then...oh wait, they are criminals.  Never mind.

Seriously  - I thought I heard this SOB used fully auto...those are already illegal.     

JohnInCarolina

4Runner said:

GC works great as the law abiding citizens will certainly comply.  If we can just get the criminals to comply with the laws then...oh wait, they are criminals.  Never mind.

They've been effective in Australia, where the guy in the posted video is from.   I guess it's because they don't have any criminals down there.  

HeavyG

4Runner said:

GC works great as the law abiding citizens will certainly comply.  If we can just get the criminals to comply with the laws then...oh wait, they are criminals.  Never mind.

Seriously  - I thought I heard this SOB used fully auto...those are already illegal.     

Not necessarily, there are a couple of exceptions.

4Runner

JohnInCarolina said:

4Runner said:

GC works great as the law abiding citizens will certainly comply.  If we can just get the criminals to comply with the laws then...oh wait, they are criminals.  Never mind.

They've been effective in Australia, where the guy in the posted video is from.   I guess it's because they don't have any criminals down there.  

He is a comic and I believe he used the term mass....he is excluding every other crime with a gun in his country.  I think he is trying to be funny.  Also, like he points out....countries are different.  

4Runner

HeavyG said:

4Runner said:

GC works great as the law abiding citizens will certainly comply.  If we can just get the criminals to comply with the laws then...oh wait, they are criminals.  Never mind.

Seriously  - I thought I heard this SOB used fully auto...those are already illegal.     

Not necessarily, there are a couple of exceptions.

sure...exception to every "rule"  I'm sure there are more than a couple.  And I do agree you must meet certain requirements before legally purchasing a weapon....for any reason.   

Woodchunk

Hans61 said:

JohnInCarolina said:

This should go well.

I hope people listen to the whole 15minutes, what are the chances?

If you make a connection to cooking on the green egg, maybe.

Hans61

Woodchunk said:

Hans61 said:

JohnInCarolina said:

This should go well.

I hope people listen to the whole 15minutes, what are the chances?

If you make a connection to cooking on the green egg, maybe.

Pretty sure I followed off topic protocol - this place has turned into more than just cooking tips for me 

JohnInCarolina

4Runner said:

JohnInCarolina said:

4Runner said:

GC works great as the law abiding citizens will certainly comply.  If we can just get the criminals to comply with the laws then...oh wait, they are criminals.  Never mind.

They've been effective in Australia, where the guy in the posted video is from.   I guess it's because they don't have any criminals down there.  

He is a comic and I believe he used the term mass....he is excluding every other crime with a gun in his country.  I think he is trying to be funny.  Also, like he points out....countries are different.  

I don't doubt our ability as a nation to come up with any and all excuses to avoid passing stricter gun control laws.  If 20 6-7 year olds getting killed in an elementary school didn't effect change, it is hard to imagine what will.

Woodchunk

Breaking news

NPHuskerFL

Too soon man. 

4Runner

JohnInCarolina said:

4Runner said:

JohnInCarolina said:

4Runner said:

GC works great as the law abiding citizens will certainly comply.  If we can just get the criminals to comply with the laws then...oh wait, they are criminals.  Never mind.

They've been effective in Australia, where the guy in the posted video is from.   I guess it's because they don't have any criminals down there.  

He is a comic and I believe he used the term mass....he is excluding every other crime with a gun in his country.  I think he is trying to be funny.  Also, like he points out....countries are different.  

I don't doubt our ability as a nation to come up with any and all excuses to avoid passing stricter gun control laws.  If 20 6-7 year olds getting killed in an elementary school didn't effect change, it is hard to imagine what will.

I just don't think it will help fix these poor deranged people.  We want the same thing.....just don't know the answer.    

Hans61

NPHuskerFL said:

Too soon man. 

Been about 24hrs right?

JohnInCarolina

4Runner said:

JohnInCarolina said:

4Runner said:

JohnInCarolina said:

4Runner said:

GC works great as the law abiding citizens will certainly comply.  If we can just get the criminals to comply with the laws then...oh wait, they are criminals.  Never mind.

They've been effective in Australia, where the guy in the posted video is from.   I guess it's because they don't have any criminals down there.  

He is a comic and I believe he used the term mass....he is excluding every other crime with a gun in his country.  I think he is trying to be funny.  Also, like he points out....countries are different.  

I don't doubt our ability as a nation to come up with any and all excuses to avoid passing stricter gun control laws.  If 20 6-7 year olds getting killed in an elementary school didn't effect change, it is hard to imagine what will.

I just don't think it will help fix these poor deranged people.  We want the same thing.....just don't know the answer.    

Very possible it wouldn't.  But if you understand statistics and data, you know that fewer guns would generally translate into fewer gun deaths, accidental shootings, all kinds of things.

Not that it matters.  The public generally agrees on stronger and more comprehensive background checks, and we can't even get that passed.

NPHuskerFL

Hans61 said:

NPHuskerFL said:

Too soon man. 

Been about 24hrs right?

You're right.  I'm sure nobody amongst us could have possibly had a loved one in Vegas.  Carry the **** on fucksticks! Truthfully this whole thing makes me ill. 
Sorry for calling y'all fucksticks. 

Killit_and_Grillit

stlcharcoal

4Runner said:

GC works great as the law abiding citizens will certainly comply.  If we can just get the criminals to comply with the laws then...oh wait, they are criminals.  Never mind.

Seriously  - I thought I heard this SOB used fully auto...those are already illegal.     

Machine guns are not illegal, they're just highly regulated.  No one can manufacturer or import transferrable ones since May 1986, so there's a limited number of them out there for non-dealers.  You're looking at a minimum of $10K to get one, with most being in the $20K neighborhood.  Since the National Firearms Act of 1938 (Title II of the GCA), any transfer incurs $200 tax stamp, then there's fingerprints, photos, background checks, chief law enforcement notification / sign offs, etc.....all of which averages about a 10-12 month wait right now.  In the last 80 years of the NFA, I believe there have been TWO crimes committed with legally owned/transferred/registered machine guns--and they were both committed by police officers who stole those two guns.  The NFA coverers suppressors (AKA: "silencers"), SBR's, SBS's, AOW's, etc.  It is EXTREMELY rare of any of these items to get used in any ill-manner, as the owner is taking so much time, care, money, and LIABILITY to acquire and own them legally.

Listening to the video though, it really doesn't sound like "full auto" machine gun.  It sounds like a semi-auto with some sort of device installed on it.  Full auto is usually 800-900 rounds a minute and that sounds a lot slower than that.

4Runner

Well it just plain sucks and is sad and terrible.  I think we all can agree on that.  

SemolinaPilchard

Facebook plays a part in getting more idiots fired than incompetence.
http://thehill.com/homenews/media/353495-cbs-executive-fired-after-saying-las-vegas-victims-didnt-deserve-sympathy

shtgunal3

JohnInCarolina said:

4Runner said:

JohnInCarolina said:

4Runner said:

JohnInCarolina said:

4Runner said:

GC works great as the law abiding citizens will certainly comply.  If we can just get the criminals to comply with the laws then...oh wait, they are criminals.  Never mind.

They've been effective in Australia, where the guy in the posted video is from.   I guess it's because they don't have any criminals down there.  

He is a comic and I believe he used the term mass....he is excluding every other crime with a gun in his country.  I think he is trying to be funny.  Also, like he points out....countries are different.  

I don't doubt our ability as a nation to come up with any and all excuses to avoid passing stricter gun control laws.  If 20 6-7 year olds getting killed in an elementary school didn't effect change, it is hard to imagine what will.

I just don't think it will help fix these poor deranged people.  We want the same thing.....just don't know the answer.    

Very possible it wouldn't.  But if you understand statistics and data, you know that fewer guns would generally translate into fewer gun deaths, accidental shootings, all kinds of things.

Not that it matters.  The public generally agrees on stronger and more comprehensive background checks, and we can't even get that passed.

I normally don't comment on threads such as these but what the hell.

Maybe what you should say is "fewer CRIMINALS with guns would generally translate into fewer gun deaths". I'm just a dumb old country boy from Alabama who has about 20+ guns  (all bought legally) and I've never killed a single person.

That is all. Carry on.

Hans61

shtgunal3 said:

JohnInCarolina said:

4Runner said:

JohnInCarolina said:

4Runner said:

JohnInCarolina said:

4Runner said:

GC works great as the law abiding citizens will certainly comply.  If we can just get the criminals to comply with the laws then...oh wait, they are criminals.  Never mind.

They've been effective in Australia, where the guy in the posted video is from.   I guess it's because they don't have any criminals down there.  

He is a comic and I believe he used the term mass....he is excluding every other crime with a gun in his country.  I think he is trying to be funny.  Also, like he points out....countries are different.  

I don't doubt our ability as a nation to come up with any and all excuses to avoid passing stricter gun control laws.  If 20 6-7 year olds getting killed in an elementary school didn't effect change, it is hard to imagine what will.

I just don't think it will help fix these poor deranged people.  We want the same thing.....just don't know the answer.    

Very possible it wouldn't.  But if you understand statistics and data, you know that fewer guns would generally translate into fewer gun deaths, accidental shootings, all kinds of things.

Not that it matters.  The public generally agrees on stronger and more comprehensive background checks, and we can't even get that passed.

I normally don't comment on threads such as these but what the hell.

Maybe what you should say is "fewer CRIMINALS with guns would generally translate into fewer gun deaths". I'm just a dumb old country boy from Alabama who has about 20+ guns  (all bought legally) and I've never killed a single person.

That is all. Carry on.

The video/audio addresses that comment 

SemolinaPilchard

shtgunal3 said:

JohnInCarolina said:

4Runner said:

JohnInCarolina said:

4Runner said:

JohnInCarolina said:

4Runner said:

GC works great as the law abiding citizens will certainly comply.  If we can just get the criminals to comply with the laws then...oh wait, they are criminals.  Never mind.

They've been effective in Australia, where the guy in the posted video is from.   I guess it's because they don't have any criminals down there.  

He is a comic and I believe he used the term mass....he is excluding every other crime with a gun in his country.  I think he is trying to be funny.  Also, like he points out....countries are different.  

I don't doubt our ability as a nation to come up with any and all excuses to avoid passing stricter gun control laws.  If 20 6-7 year olds getting killed in an elementary school didn't effect change, it is hard to imagine what will.

I just don't think it will help fix these poor deranged people.  We want the same thing.....just don't know the answer.    

Very possible it wouldn't.  But if you understand statistics and data, you know that fewer guns would generally translate into fewer gun deaths, accidental shootings, all kinds of things.

Not that it matters.  The public generally agrees on stronger and more comprehensive background checks, and we can't even get that passed.

I normally don't comment on threads such as these but what the hell.

Maybe what you should say is "fewer CRIMINALS with guns would generally translate into fewer gun deaths". I'm just a dumb old country boy from Alabama who has about 20+ guns  (all bought legally) and I've never killed a single person.

That is all. Carry on.

@shtgunal3, you are totally wrong. Chicago has the strictest gun laws in the country, and look at the low number of gun crimes there. Oh... wait.

JohnInCarolina

shtgunal3 said:

JohnInCarolina said:

4Runner said:

JohnInCarolina said:

4Runner said:

JohnInCarolina said:

4Runner said:

GC works great as the law abiding citizens will certainly comply.  If we can just get the criminals to comply with the laws then...oh wait, they are criminals.  Never mind.

They've been effective in Australia, where the guy in the posted video is from.   I guess it's because they don't have any criminals down there.  

He is a comic and I believe he used the term mass....he is excluding every other crime with a gun in his country.  I think he is trying to be funny.  Also, like he points out....countries are different.  

I don't doubt our ability as a nation to come up with any and all excuses to avoid passing stricter gun control laws.  If 20 6-7 year olds getting killed in an elementary school didn't effect change, it is hard to imagine what will.

I just don't think it will help fix these poor deranged people.  We want the same thing.....just don't know the answer.    

Very possible it wouldn't.  But if you understand statistics and data, you know that fewer guns would generally translate into fewer gun deaths, accidental shootings, all kinds of things.

Not that it matters.  The public generally agrees on stronger and more comprehensive background checks, and we can't even get that passed.

I normally don't comment on threads such as these but what the hell.

Maybe what you should say is "fewer CRIMINALS with guns would generally translate into fewer gun deaths". I'm just a dumb old country boy from Alabama who has about 20+ guns  (all bought legally) and I've never killed a single person.

That is all. Carry on.

Look up the number of gun deaths that occur in the US on any given day.  If you honestly think they're all caused by criminals, well, good luck to you.

g8golfer

News radio said he used an AR15 that was modified to be full automatic. Not sure if it was CNN or Fox but that was what was reported. 

JNDATHP

The shooter was reported to have used a bumping device on a semi-automatic rifle(s). With this kind of device, one can rapidly fire a semi-automatic. 

As for Australia, when all guns were outlawed, including antiques, a new type of crime, one that the country had not before seen emerged: home invasion. 

stlcharcoal

SemolinaPilchard said:

shtgunal3 said:

JohnInCarolina said:

4Runner said:

JohnInCarolina said:

4Runner said:

JohnInCarolina said:

4Runner said:

GC works great as the law abiding citizens will certainly comply.  If we can just get the criminals to comply with the laws then...oh wait, they are criminals.  Never mind.

They've been effective in Australia, where the guy in the posted video is from.   I guess it's because they don't have any criminals down there.  

He is a comic and I believe he used the term mass....he is excluding every other crime with a gun in his country.  I think he is trying to be funny.  Also, like he points out....countries are different.  

I don't doubt our ability as a nation to come up with any and all excuses to avoid passing stricter gun control laws.  If 20 6-7 year olds getting killed in an elementary school didn't effect change, it is hard to imagine what will.

I just don't think it will help fix these poor deranged people.  We want the same thing.....just don't know the answer.    

Very possible it wouldn't.  But if you understand statistics and data, you know that fewer guns would generally translate into fewer gun deaths, accidental shootings, all kinds of things.

Not that it matters.  The public generally agrees on stronger and more comprehensive background checks, and we can't even get that passed.

I normally don't comment on threads such as these but what the hell.

Maybe what you should say is "fewer CRIMINALS with guns would generally translate into fewer gun deaths". I'm just a dumb old country boy from Alabama who has about 20+ guns  (all bought legally) and I've never killed a single person.

That is all. Carry on.

@shtgunal3, you are totally wrong. Chicago has the strictest gun laws in the country, and look at the low number of gun crimes there. Oh... wait.

Yep.....300+ shootings last month in Chicago with 57 deaths.  But none of the talking heads on TV, nor on capital hill gave a crap because 95%+ were black or Hispanic.  The when whitey shoots a bunch of whitey's, suddenly "enough is enough" for the liberals in DC and Hollywood.  Meanwhile here in STL, we're at about 150 for the year (haven't heard anybody say a thing about that on the national TV.)  Call it a problem, call for it to end, ban guns, or don't ban guns, it's nothing but politics and ratings for these people.  No matter what side you're on, turn off the TV and vote!!!  Don't get played.....because it's NOT for YOUR safety.

bgebrent

stlcharcoal said:

4Runner said:

GC works great as the law abiding citizens will certainly comply.  If we can just get the criminals to comply with the laws then...oh wait, they are criminals.  Never mind.

Seriously  - I thought I heard this SOB used fully auto...those are already illegal.     

Machine guns are not illegal, they're just highly regulated.  No one can manufacturer or import transferrable ones since May 1986, so there's a limited number of them out there for non-dealers.  You're looking at a minimum of $10K to get one, with most being in the $20K neighborhood.  Since the National Firearms Act of 1938 (Title II of the GCA), any transfer incurs $200 tax stamp, then there's fingerprints, photos, background checks, chief law enforcement notification / sign offs, etc.....all of which averages about a 10-12 month wait right now.  In the last 80 years of the NFA, I believe there have been TWO crimes committed with legally owned/transferred/registered machine guns--and they were both committed by police officers who stole those two guns.  The NFA coverers suppressors (AKA: "silencers"), SBR's, SBS's, AOW's, etc.  It is EXTREMELY rare of any of these items to get used in any ill-manner, as the owner is taking so much time, care, money, and LIABILITY to acquire and own them legally.

Listening to the video though, it really doesn't sound like "full auto" machine gun.  It sounds like a semi-auto with some sort of device installed on it.  Full auto is usually 800-900 rounds a minute and that sounds a lot slower than that.

May have had a "bump" gun configuration.  Sickening no matter what.  However, the notion that restricting gun sales will change our trajectory is flawed.  Background checks, maybe. The guns are already out there.  The horse is out of the barn.  There is no reasonable/imaginable law that would've prevented this.  One in 3 households is armed.  The overarching issue is that with almost all of these mass shootings, mental illness is the underlying cause.  Tough fix.  No legislation is going to fix the problem and the push for such is political brinksmanship BS.  Enforcing current law would be good.  Better public/private funding for mental illness might help some.  Tragic.

JohnInCarolina

JNDATHP said:

The shooter was reported to have used a bumping device on a semi-automatic rifle(s). With this kind of device, one can rapidly fire a semi-automatic. 

As for Australia, when all guns were outlawed, including antiques, a new type of crime, one that the country had not before seen emerged: home invasion. 

How many people die each year in Australia from home invasions?