We drive on the left and health care is free.

JohnInCarolina

Most anti-welfare folks in the US have never met anyone actually on welfare.

Webass

CPFC1905 said:

Same day we admit to being European?  

Which part of Europe are you from?  The part whose ass we kicked or the part whose ass we saved?

CPFC1905

Webass said:

CPFC1905 said:

Same day we admit to being European?  

Which part of Europe are you from?  The part whose ass we kicked or the part whose ass we saved?

The bit you joined with when you saw we were winning. 

CPFC1905

As it is a Saturday afternoon, I will share with you all some images of standard weekend activities across this green and pleasant land;

Southern and Western England, plus the Midlands

 

The North;



Up in bonny Scotland;



By there - in Wales



And finally our friends across the Irish Sea

pgprescott

JohnInCarolina said:

Most anti-welfare folks in the US have never met anyone actually on welfare.

This is an example of how the issue is bastardized. I wonder how close the stats are on that one? Lol!
 I and everyone else on one side of the issue fully acknowledges the need for a welfare safety net. The issue is how it is implemented and what kind of incentives are in the programs. In our country, people are disincentivized to do things to better themselves. Doesn’t make sense to me other than the cynical view that some would like to keep them where they are. If that is so, I find it disgusting. I include disability in this category as well which has seen tremendous growth and grift over the last 8 years. I would rather provide more benefits to those who can work and do work than less. Those who are truly unable to work or be productive should be taken care of in full in a separate category or tier. IMHO. 

JohnInCarolina

pgprescott said:

 I and everyone else on one side of the issue fully acknowledges the need for a welfare safety net. 

Well that's a huge relief I suppose.  

pgprescott

JohnInCarolina said:

pgprescott said:

 I and everyone else on one side of the issue fully acknowledges the need for a welfare safety net. 

Well that's a huge relief I suppose.  

You must live in a bubble. A true kool aid drinker! 

JohnInCarolina

pgprescott said:

JohnInCarolina said:

pgprescott said:

 I and everyone else on one side of the issue fully acknowledges the need for a welfare safety net. 

Well that's a huge relief I suppose.  

You must live in a bubble. A true kool aid drinker! 

My mom literally grew up in government housing.  So... yeah.  Quite the bubble.

johnnyp

Clearly there are abuses of the welfare and safety net systems.

 But the idea of leeches being a large cross-section of society is a false narrative designed to push a political agenda.  

Im not naive.  every political faction pushes exaggerated versions of the truth.  I just wish the story of the "evil welfare queen" would die. 

pgprescott

JohnInCarolina said:

pgprescott said:

JohnInCarolina said:

pgprescott said:

 I and everyone else on one side of the issue fully acknowledges the need for a welfare safety net. 

Well that's a huge relief I suppose.  

You must live in a bubble. A true kool aid drinker! 

My mom literally grew up in government housing.  So... yeah.  Quite the bubble.

I meant with your opinions of those who don’t share your point of view John. Maybe I would get a better discussion with her. 

JohnInCarolina

pgprescott said:

JohnInCarolina said:

pgprescott said:

JohnInCarolina said:

pgprescott said:

 I and everyone else on one side of the issue fully acknowledges the need for a welfare safety net. 

Well that's a huge relief I suppose.  

You must live in a bubble. A true kool aid drinker! 

My mom literally grew up in government housing.  So... yeah.  Quite the bubble.

I meant with your opinions of those who don’t share your point of view John. Maybe I would get a better discussion with her. 

We all have views that are informed by our upbringing Pete.  It's clear that yours are very different from mine.  All I'm doing is providing some context as to why that might be the case.

NPHuskerFL

JohnInCarolina said:

Most anti-welfare folks in the US have never met anyone actually on welfare.

John.  I must respectfully disagree. And yes, there is in fact a need for it.  Blatant abuse of the system makes a mockery of those that truly need it. Me personally, am not anti welfare. I am 100% against the abuse and exploitation of the welfare system. Welfare was never intended to be a lifelong source of income and too many folks that can help themselves take advantage of this system. Clearly there are individuals that may need it for life but, that is not who are abusing it.

Eoin

JohnInCarolina said:

Most anti-welfare folks in the US have never met anyone actually on welfare.

The most anti welfare people I know are those who are in work and live in the same areas as welfare recipients. They are the people who resent others not working while they pay the bill (tax). The middle classes can generally afford the tax and are more inclined to be sympathetic. 

Most people here don't regard being 'on welfare' as living in social housing, receiving in work benefits or being wholly on benefits for a short period of time, rather people whose only income is welfare benefits for the long term.

JohnInCarolina

Eoin said:

JohnInCarolina said:

Most anti-welfare folks in the US have never met anyone actually on welfare.

The most anti welfare people I know are those who are in work and live in the same areas as welfare recipients. They are the people who resent others not working while they pay the bill (tax). The middle classes can generally afford the tax and are more inclined to be sympathetic. 

Most people here don't regard being 'on welfare' as living in social housing, receiving in work benefits or being wholly on benefits for a short period of time, rather people whose only income is welfare benefits for the long term.

You're in the U.K., right?

Eoin

JohnInCarolina said:

Eoin said:

JohnInCarolina said:

Most anti-welfare folks in the US have never met anyone actually on welfare.

The most anti welfare people I know are those who are in work and live in the same areas as welfare recipients. They are the people who resent others not working while they pay the bill (tax). The middle classes can generally afford the tax and are more inclined to be sympathetic. 

Most people here don't regard being 'on welfare' as living in social housing, receiving in work benefits or being wholly on benefits for a short period of time, rather people whose only income is welfare benefits for the long term.

You're in the U.K., right?

Yes, I'm sure our welfare system is a lot different to yours.

pgprescott

Eoin said:

JohnInCarolina said:

Eoin said:

JohnInCarolina said:

Most anti-welfare folks in the US have never met anyone actually on welfare.

The most anti welfare people I know are those who are in work and live in the same areas as welfare recipients. They are the people who resent others not working while they pay the bill (tax). The middle classes can generally afford the tax and are more inclined to be sympathetic. 

Most people here don't regard being 'on welfare' as living in social housing, receiving in work benefits or being wholly on benefits for a short period of time, rather people whose only income is welfare benefits for the long term.

You're in the U.K., right?

Yes, I'm sure our welfare system is a lot different to yours.

No, you are spot on. 

TN_Egger

Biscuits are for smothering in gravy.

Foghorn

Sorry about Crystal Palace.  

JohnInCarolina

Eoin said:

JohnInCarolina said:

Eoin said:

JohnInCarolina said:

Most anti-welfare folks in the US have never met anyone actually on welfare.

The most anti welfare people I know are those who are in work and live in the same areas as welfare recipients. They are the people who resent others not working while they pay the bill (tax). The middle classes can generally afford the tax and are more inclined to be sympathetic. 

Most people here don't regard being 'on welfare' as living in social housing, receiving in work benefits or being wholly on benefits for a short period of time, rather people whose only income is welfare benefits for the long term.

You're in the U.K., right?

Yes, I'm sure our welfare system is a lot different to yours.

It is, the culture there is quite different as well, with the NHS and college and university access.  

I'm sure we have folks here who know people on welfare and who are anti welfare as a result.  I should have been more precise in stating that my belief is that most of them do not have friends or family members who are or have been on welfare.  I think that tends to influence your view on things.  TIA.

CPFC1905

TN_Egger said:

Biscuits are for smothering in gravy.

No, that's Yorkshire pudding, or, chips.   Biscuits are for dunking in your tea.

JohnInCarolina

NPHuskerFL said:

JohnInCarolina said:

Most anti-welfare folks in the US have never met anyone actually on welfare.

John.  I must respectfully disagree. And yes, there is in fact a need for it.  Blatant abuse of the system makes a mockery of those that truly need it. Me personally, am not anti welfare. I am 100% against the abuse and exploitation of the welfare system. Welfare was never intended to be a lifelong source of income and too many folks that can help themselves take advantage of this system. Clearly there are individuals that may need it for life but, that is not who are abusing it.

Blake if you're not anti welfare then I'm not sure which part of my statement you're disagreeing with.

CPFC1905

Foghorn said:

Sorry about Crystal Palace.  

I was chosen as a Crystal Palace fan. Like being right-handed and Scorpio - some things are beyond human control.   

I have long lived the roller-coaster that is being an Eagle. If it isn't a relegation dog-fight it is a promotion play-off.   We did aspire to mid-table mediocrity but those rarified heights are not for the likes of us.  I doff my cap to @Eoin - that's where his team sits.

I assume the season will not continue in this rich vein of hapless defeats.  Its not impossible, just unlikely.    Never mind, we still walk out to the best tune in the league and are the only team that does not have a vowel in the first five letters of our name.   Cloud/silver lining etc......

Eoin

CPFC1905 said:

TN_Egger said:

Biscuits are for smothering in gravy.

No, that's Yorkshire pudding, or, chips.   Biscuits are for dunking in your tea.

I clicked agree, but need a double agree button, as I have never seen a rich tea or digestive anywhere near gravy.

NPHuskerFL

Geez @JohnInCarolina Just to disagree with you of course

pgprescott

JohnInCarolina said:

Eoin said:

JohnInCarolina said:

Eoin said:

JohnInCarolina said:

Most anti-welfare folks in the US have never met anyone actually on welfare.

The most anti welfare people I know are those who are in work and live in the same areas as welfare recipients. They are the people who resent others not working while they pay the bill (tax). The middle classes can generally afford the tax and are more inclined to be sympathetic. 

Most people here don't regard being 'on welfare' as living in social housing, receiving in work benefits or being wholly on benefits for a short period of time, rather people whose only income is welfare benefits for the long term.

You're in the U.K., right?

Yes, I'm sure our welfare system is a lot different to yours.

It is, the culture there is quite different as well, with the NHS and college and university access.  

I'm sure we have folks here who know people on welfare and who are anti welfare as a result.  I should have been more precise in stating that my belief is that most of them do not have friends or family members who are or have been on welfare.  I think that tends to influence your view on things.  TIA.

What do the poor pay for college access here? Nada. The wealthy and the working class pay full boat though.

I agree with the second part as it pertains to yourself. You are admittedly emotionally guided on this subject.

CPFC1905

I live by few rules, but one is that I never have gravy on chips at home.  Canteens etc - yes, but never at home.   I once had fish and chips in a canteen, with gravy and bit of chicken curry on the side.  And a mug of tea, obviously. Living the dream, I was.

Eoin

CPFC1905 said:

Foghorn said:

Sorry about Crystal Palace.  

I was chosen as a Crystal Palace fan. Like being right-handed and Scorpio - some things are beyond human control.   

I have long lived the roller-coaster that is being an Eagle. If it isn't a relegation dog-fight it is a promotion play-off.   We did aspire to mid-table mediocrity but those rarified heights are not for the likes of us.  I doff my cap to @Eoin - that's where his team sits.

I assume the season will not continue in this rich vein of hapless defeats.  Its not impossible, just unlikely.    Never mind, we still walk out to the best tune in the league and are the only team that does not have a vowel in the first five letters of our name.   Cloud/silver lining etc......

Crouch has still got it.

Sorry for your predicament, I don't think zero goals and zero points is a fair indication, but it's a tough league. Looks like a hard place to come back from without a stunning run of form at some point.

JohnInCarolina

pgprescott said:

JohnInCarolina said:

Eoin said:

JohnInCarolina said:

Eoin said:

JohnInCarolina said:

Most anti-welfare folks in the US have never met anyone actually on welfare.

The most anti welfare people I know are those who are in work and live in the same areas as welfare recipients. They are the people who resent others not working while they pay the bill (tax). The middle classes can generally afford the tax and are more inclined to be sympathetic. 

Most people here don't regard being 'on welfare' as living in social housing, receiving in work benefits or being wholly on benefits for a short period of time, rather people whose only income is welfare benefits for the long term.

You're in the U.K., right?

Yes, I'm sure our welfare system is a lot different to yours.

It is, the culture there is quite different as well, with the NHS and college and university access.  

I'm sure we have folks here who know people on welfare and who are anti welfare as a result.  I should have been more precise in stating that my belief is that most of them do not have friends or family members who are or have been on welfare.  I think that tends to influence your view on things.  TIA.

What do the poor pay for college access here? Nada. The wealthy and the working class pay full boat though.

I agree with the second part as it pertains to yourself. You are admittedly emotionally guided on this subject.

As usual, you have almost no idea what you're talking about.

pgprescott

JohnInCarolina said:

pgprescott said:

JohnInCarolina said:

Eoin said:

JohnInCarolina said:

Eoin said:

JohnInCarolina said:

Most anti-welfare folks in the US have never met anyone actually on welfare.

The most anti welfare people I know are those who are in work and live in the same areas as welfare recipients. They are the people who resent others not working while they pay the bill (tax). The middle classes can generally afford the tax and are more inclined to be sympathetic. 

Most people here don't regard being 'on welfare' as living in social housing, receiving in work benefits or being wholly on benefits for a short period of time, rather people whose only income is welfare benefits for the long term.

You're in the U.K., right?

Yes, I'm sure our welfare system is a lot different to yours.

It is, the culture there is quite different as well, with the NHS and college and university access.  

I'm sure we have folks here who know people on welfare and who are anti welfare as a result.  I should have been more precise in stating that my belief is that most of them do not have friends or family members who are or have been on welfare.  I think that tends to influence your view on things.  TIA.

What do the poor pay for college access here? Nada. The wealthy and the working class pay full boat though.

I agree with the second part as it pertains to yourself. You are admittedly emotionally guided on this subject.

As usual, you have almost no idea what you're talking about.

maybe you could enlighten me.

Foghorn

Is it possible for Chelsea and Man City to both lose?  And is morally OK to cheer for that?