Devastated

JohnInCarolina

nolaegghead

that's a very small human.

JohnInCarolina

nolaegghead said:

that's a very small human.

I prefer to think of it as a gigantic p ussy.

nolaegghead

cazzy said:

That man is legit!  Interested to see if @nolaegghead is supporting that b!tch...

I'll likely vote for her if she wins the primary, although I'd rather vote for some others that are and are not running.  She's a bit conservative for me.  She's a connected to business like a republican.  Given the extremist nature of the republican party, whom I would frequently vote for when they had a sensible more intellectual and less "jesus fascist" median attitude, I don't see any good alternatives.  Everyone is trying to out-conservative one another and it's really pathetic, watching them flip...flop (the original state being something less conservative).  This flippidyfloppin is disingenuous.  Benghazi.

So I'll probably vote for the ****, in lieu any insane person, which looks inevitable.

JohnInCarolina

Hillary's biggest upside is that she heads up the party that is not insane.  For many people, that's enough.

nolaegghead

John, I'd almost give you a handjob for stating that.  An astute observation that is sadly true.  Not because of the masses but because the extremism is greater on the right. 

Sardonicus

nolaegghead said:

John, I'd almost give you a handjob for stating that . . .

  Wow. 

Couldn't you just give him a pat on the back?  Or offer him a beer?

YukonRon

Such a friendly group here.

Biggreenpharmacist

nolaegghead said:

John, I'd almost give you a handjob for stating that.  An astute observation that is sadly true.  Not because of the masses but because the extremism is greater on the right. 

I think thats more perception than reality. In my opinion, a right lean will believe the left has a greater level of extremism and vice versa. Its just the nature of the beast. 

JohnInCarolina

Biggreenpharmacist said:

nolaegghead said:

John, I'd almost give you a handjob for stating that.  An astute observation that is sadly true.  Not because of the masses but because the extremism is greater on the right. 

I think thats more perception than reality. In my opinion, a right lean will believe the left has a greater level of extremism and vice versa. Its just the nature of the beast. 

Certainly one's political views impacts how the parties are viewed, no question.  But objectively, the two parties cannot be equally extreme.  

Legume

Sure they can, 'center' is arbitrary.  There's no standard yardstick for this.

johnmitchell

Just a heads up "Cooking with Giada" is coming up at 10.30 on Food network..

Legume

Sweet!

JohnInCarolina

Legume said:

Sure they can, 'center' is arbitrary.  There's no standard yardstick for this.

This is the sort of argument that simply leads to the conclusion that, well, the two parties are really no different.  A pox on both their houses, all politicians are scum, sort of thing.  I'm sympathetic to the point of view, but I think it's lazy.  

The center that makes sense to start with is simply where the majority of Americans fall on various issues.  

Legume

Well, I am that.  I just don't see the benefit of refined labeling.  In some ways, they are not different, in others they are very different.  No benefit to the label, it only supports continuing the argument that one over generalized group is more right or less wrong than the other which to me is what politicians want us debating, instead of debating government, issues and solutions.  I think the labels or categorization is lazy.

henapple

We're on page 69....

JohnInCarolina

Legume said:

Well, I am that.  I just don't see the benefit of refined labeling.  In some ways, they are not different, in others they are very different.  No benefit to the label, it only supports continuing the argument that one over generalized group is more right or less wrong than the other which to me is what politicians want us debating, instead of debating government, issues and solutions.  I think the labels or categorization is lazy.

I would agree with you if I was insisting that the label is the end of the discussion.  For me, it's just the beginning.  If you're willing to accept the premise that one party might be more extreme than the other, where the discussion should go is to understanding why that is the case.  

JohnInCarolina

henapple said:

We're on page 69....

Good point.  I think this is somehow related to the fact that Carey is offering hand jobs.  

cazzy

JohnInCarolina said:

Hillary's biggest upside is that she heads up the party that is not insane.  For many people, that's enough.

JohnInCarolina said:

Hillary's biggest upside is that she heads up the party that is not insane.  For many people, that's enough.

Even though she's insane as fvck, so I guess that means an insane person is representing the sane side.

Same ****, but it makes me wonder if dems are Super Saiyan...

https://youtu.be/_xA0ZHEwU2Q

I would peg him as a future dem!   

Legume

I get you, I just despise the discussion of parties in general.  If I ran a party, it's the argument I would want the people having, steer people away from the issues and results.  This puts thick lenses on people that influence how they see issues, allows people to be lazy and have a strong opinion about something they havent bothered to understand.

http://youtu.be/sx2scvIFGjE

JohnInCarolina

Legume said:

I get you, I just despise the discussion of parties in general.  If I ran a party, it's the argument I would want the people having, steer people away from the issues and results.  This puts thick lenses on people that influence how they see issues, allows people to be lazy and have a strong opinion about something they havent bothered to understand.

Fair enough.  My original comment about Hillary was actually more about the issues.  One thing that's going to be interesting to watch is where the GOP candidate comes down on the ACA, for example.  The ship on wholesale repeal has long since passed, so what's their message going to be?  

Legume

Yep, I agree.  In the real world, solutions are rarely right the first implementation and never in a complex system.  It would be much smarter, though politically suicidal, to acknowledge this and plan for continued evolution and tweaking.

Legume

'Merica

henapple

I just hope the next president takes my money and redistributes it....and makes me bake a cake for who they tell me to. Oh wait...

Sardonicus

Oh, please.

Redistribution, as in "taxes", did not begin in '09.

(BTW, Presidents don't tax.  Congress does that.)

Eggcelsior

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Ozzie_Isaac

travisstrick said:

I still clown with the underground. 
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YqJAnQTwmJs

I didn't realize 2Pac cooks on a weber.

Sardonicus

JohnInCarolina said:

Legume said:

Sure they can, 'center' is arbitrary.  There's no standard yardstick for this.

This is the sort of argument that simply leads to the conclusion that, well, the two parties are really no different.  . . . , all politicians are scum, sort of thing.  . . . I think it's lazy.  
 

You are correct.  Speaking of "lazy" arguments . . .

. . . to the Wayback Machine:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=C55yH3E0jj4

(Just redistributing an old video)

henapple

Sardonicus said:

Oh, please.

Redistribution, as in "taxes", did not begin in '09.

(BTW, Presidents don't tax.  Congress does that.)

So it hasn't gotten worse. ..it will continue to get worse. 
 

JohnInCarolina

Sardonicus said:

JohnInCarolina said:

Legume said:

Sure they can, 'center' is arbitrary.  There's no standard yardstick for this.

This is the sort of argument that simply leads to the conclusion that, well, the two parties are really no different.  . . . , all politicians are scum, sort of thing.  . . . I think it's lazy.  
 

You are correct.  Speaking of "lazy" arguments . . .

. . . to the Wayback Machine:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=C55yH3E0jj4

(Just redistributing an old video)

CARLSON: I do think you're more fun on your show. Just my opinion.

STEWART: You know what's interesting, though? You're as big a **** on your show as you are on any show.