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Ybabpmuts

There's 10000 gallons of water per person in Maine in the lake infront of my house .  there's a ground seep spring under my garden.   It's hard to imagine

@fishlessman

The lake behind my house has maybe a gallon per person in Maine, so tomorrow I'm telling all the folks that own waterfront here ... to go to your lake and forcibly take 1000 gallons each. You'll be too busy throwing flaming torches and chopping boards into the lake and not cleaning the outside of your pans,  (for the pans that are outside your place), nor the inside of your pans, (for the pans that are inside your place). Anyway, if you see about ten really long straws go by your windows, and you follow one end to the lake and the other end to a set of overly desperately dry Mainers, I'm asking you to share. Not your cooking, at least until you submit to some kind of pan inspection. I'm asking you to share your water, with exception of the water that's directly around your cutting board of course. 


Ybabpmuts

Ozzie_Isaac

fishlessman said:

Botch said:

Battleborn said:

Secondary water is untreated water used for outdoor irrigation. 

Yup, this.  I live on the benches of the Wasatch mountains, and the secondary is turned off/on each winter, while the "primary" water I shower/cook with is always there.  I often have to turn it off, remove the filter, and clean out mud, plants, and even a former frog.  
Cap'n's question made me think about billing; I get one monthly bill with combined water/trash pickup, a constant amount each month (adjusted yearly).  I know I have meters for both gas and electricity, but I don't think I have meters for either water source. I need to look into that.
 
When our water levels got low last summer, I followed the county's direction and reduced my watering, several of my neighbors did not (they probably didn't wear masks either, but I digress).  They had to cut off secondary early, and most lawns turned brown; two did not and I'm thinking they were using their "primary" water source, which really pissed me off.  
 
Normally, when secondary water is turned off in the fall, my neighbor to the north had his lawn turn brown within a week; he normally watered three effin' times a day, while I had cut back to once every two/three days.  It tickled me that I was still mowing my yard a month later, because (by stressing my own grass) my lawn had much deeper roots, and could keep alive a bit longer (I was usually one of the first to mow in the spring, too, before secondary got turned on).  
 
On a more national level:
Saw, just this morning, pics on the news that the Lake Mead dam's top water intake (to run the generators for 10M people) is now above the reservoir's water level.  Would you like to live in a fifth-floor apartment in Las Vegas, when the electricity goes out?  For the rest of the summer?  And instead of trying to address global warming a bit more seriously, what do we do?  How about dig an even deeper water intake, so it lasts longer?  (in red):
 

 
(once again, so glad I have no kids/grandkids)  
 
EDIT:  Okay, the pic I saw on the news this morning looked more like "Intake 2" on the above graphic, so I may have misunderstood something.  

There's 10000 gallons of water per person in Maine in the lake infront of my house .  there's a ground seep spring under my garden.   It's hard to imagine

My current well is around 510 feet deep.  CAP (Central Arizona Project Aquaduct) takes water from the Colorado to help supplement the rain water.  Unfortunately, at current consumption rates I will need to go deeper in 10 years or so.  On top of that, they are building 1,000s of homes around me in "master planned communities". We have a number of areas north of me that have to truck in water.  It turns out, people with multi-million dollar 2nd and 3rd homes do not mind the cost to truck in water.  The current rate is about $0.05/gallon which equates to $600/month for an average household.  Add in a pool which can lose around 4,000 gallons per month from evaporation and that will add $200 to your bill.  That is before lawns and such.  Add in the real potential for rolling blackouts and this water situation is getting pretty real.

Top all of this off with old and poorly maintained water systems that have the regular breaks that lose 6 billion gallons of treated water in the US per day.  Phoenix averages 4,000 waterline breaks a year.

Interesting fact, Lake Mead when it is full contains over 8.5 trillion gallons.

WeberWho

My idiot buddy ordered pizza during these severe storms about an hour ago. His pizza is scheduled to be delivered at 2am.



Now that's funny. 

Battleborn

Ozzie_Isaac said:

fishlessman said:

Botch said:

Battleborn said:

Secondary water is untreated water used for outdoor irrigation. 

Yup, this.  I live on the benches of the Wasatch mountains, and the secondary is turned off/on each winter, while the "primary" water I shower/cook with is always there.  I often have to turn it off, remove the filter, and clean out mud, plants, and even a former frog.  
Cap'n's question made me think about billing; I get one monthly bill with combined water/trash pickup, a constant amount each month (adjusted yearly).  I know I have meters for both gas and electricity, but I don't think I have meters for either water source. I need to look into that.
 
When our water levels got low last summer, I followed the county's direction and reduced my watering, several of my neighbors did not (they probably didn't wear masks either, but I digress).  They had to cut off secondary early, and most lawns turned brown; two did not and I'm thinking they were using their "primary" water source, which really pissed me off.  
 
Normally, when secondary water is turned off in the fall, my neighbor to the north had his lawn turn brown within a week; he normally watered three effin' times a day, while I had cut back to once every two/three days.  It tickled me that I was still mowing my yard a month later, because (by stressing my own grass) my lawn had much deeper roots, and could keep alive a bit longer (I was usually one of the first to mow in the spring, too, before secondary got turned on).  
 
On a more national level:
Saw, just this morning, pics on the news that the Lake Mead dam's top water intake (to run the generators for 10M people) is now above the reservoir's water level.  Would you like to live in a fifth-floor apartment in Las Vegas, when the electricity goes out?  For the rest of the summer?  And instead of trying to address global warming a bit more seriously, what do we do?  How about dig an even deeper water intake, so it lasts longer?  (in red):
 

 
(once again, so glad I have no kids/grandkids)  
 
EDIT:  Okay, the pic I saw on the news this morning looked more like "Intake 2" on the above graphic, so I may have misunderstood something.  

There's 10000 gallons of water per person in Maine in the lake infront of my house .  there's a ground seep spring under my garden.   It's hard to imagine

My current well is around 510 feet deep.  CAP (Central Arizona Project Aquaduct) takes water from the Colorado to help supplement the rain water.  Unfortunately, at current consumption rates I will need to go deeper in 10 years or so.  On top of that, they are building 1,000s of homes around me in "master planned communities". We have a number of areas north of me that have to truck in water.  It turns out, people with multi-million dollar 2nd and 3rd homes do not mind the cost to truck in water.  The current rate is about $0.05/gallon which equates to $600/month for an average household.  Add in a pool which can lose around 4,000 gallons per month from evaporation and that will add $200 to your bill.  That is before lawns and such.  Add in the real potential for rolling blackouts and this water situation is getting pretty real.

Top all of this off with old and poorly maintained water systems that have the regular breaks that lose 6 billion gallons of treated water in the US per day.  Phoenix averages 4,000 waterline breaks a year.

Interesting fact, Lake Mead when it is full contains over 8.5 trillion gallons.

It is pretty crazy to see the water level drop from even two years ago in Lake Mead. Places we went and swam are bone dry. People are now hunting skeletal remains like an Easter egg hunt in areas that were covered in 20 feet of water. 

Ozzie_Isaac

Battleborn said:

Ozzie_Isaac said:

fishlessman said:

Botch said:

Battleborn said:

Secondary water is untreated water used for outdoor irrigation. 

Yup, this.  I live on the benches of the Wasatch mountains, and the secondary is turned off/on each winter, while the "primary" water I shower/cook with is always there.  I often have to turn it off, remove the filter, and clean out mud, plants, and even a former frog.  
Cap'n's question made me think about billing; I get one monthly bill with combined water/trash pickup, a constant amount each month (adjusted yearly).  I know I have meters for both gas and electricity, but I don't think I have meters for either water source. I need to look into that.
 
When our water levels got low last summer, I followed the county's direction and reduced my watering, several of my neighbors did not (they probably didn't wear masks either, but I digress).  They had to cut off secondary early, and most lawns turned brown; two did not and I'm thinking they were using their "primary" water source, which really pissed me off.  
 
Normally, when secondary water is turned off in the fall, my neighbor to the north had his lawn turn brown within a week; he normally watered three effin' times a day, while I had cut back to once every two/three days.  It tickled me that I was still mowing my yard a month later, because (by stressing my own grass) my lawn had much deeper roots, and could keep alive a bit longer (I was usually one of the first to mow in the spring, too, before secondary got turned on).  
 
On a more national level:
Saw, just this morning, pics on the news that the Lake Mead dam's top water intake (to run the generators for 10M people) is now above the reservoir's water level.  Would you like to live in a fifth-floor apartment in Las Vegas, when the electricity goes out?  For the rest of the summer?  And instead of trying to address global warming a bit more seriously, what do we do?  How about dig an even deeper water intake, so it lasts longer?  (in red):
 

 
(once again, so glad I have no kids/grandkids)  
 
EDIT:  Okay, the pic I saw on the news this morning looked more like "Intake 2" on the above graphic, so I may have misunderstood something.  

There's 10000 gallons of water per person in Maine in the lake infront of my house .  there's a ground seep spring under my garden.   It's hard to imagine

My current well is around 510 feet deep.  CAP (Central Arizona Project Aquaduct) takes water from the Colorado to help supplement the rain water.  Unfortunately, at current consumption rates I will need to go deeper in 10 years or so.  On top of that, they are building 1,000s of homes around me in "master planned communities". We have a number of areas north of me that have to truck in water.  It turns out, people with multi-million dollar 2nd and 3rd homes do not mind the cost to truck in water.  The current rate is about $0.05/gallon which equates to $600/month for an average household.  Add in a pool which can lose around 4,000 gallons per month from evaporation and that will add $200 to your bill.  That is before lawns and such.  Add in the real potential for rolling blackouts and this water situation is getting pretty real.

Top all of this off with old and poorly maintained water systems that have the regular breaks that lose 6 billion gallons of treated water in the US per day.  Phoenix averages 4,000 waterline breaks a year.

Interesting fact, Lake Mead when it is full contains over 8.5 trillion gallons.

It is pretty crazy to see the water level drop from even two years ago in Lake Mead. Places we went and swam are bone dry. People are now hunting skeletal remains like an Easter egg hunt in areas that were covered in 20 feet of water. 

 I have watched all the Lakes north of Phoenix (Fedex Bermuda Triangle) dry up.  Docks and boat ramps are hundreds of yards from the waterline.  Areas we used to cliff jump are now over barren rock.  Keep hoping for that one giant el nino to come in and fill it all back up.  Not sure we will ever see that again.

JohnInCarolina

Global warming has real consequences, wish they would have told us that.  

alaskanassasin

JohnInCarolina said:

Global warming has real consequences, wish they would have told us that.  

Is it global warming or too many people using water in a area of the country where they don’t have any of their own?

ColbyLang

alaskanassasin said:

JohnInCarolina said:

Global warming has real consequences, wish they would have told us that.  

Is it global warming or too many people using water in a area of the country where they don’t have any of their own?

I’ll go with both. One creates the other. 

alaskanassasin

Looks like I’m going to go hoe a couple hundred acres of beans…

Botch

Ozzie_Isaac said:
My current well is around 510 feet deep.  CAP (Central Arizona Project Aquaduct) takes water from the Colorado to help supplement the rain water.  Unfortunately, at current consumption rates I will need to go deeper in 10 years or so.  On top of that, they are building 1,000s of homes around me in "master planned communities". We have a number of areas north of me that have to truck in water.  It turns out, people with multi-million dollar 2nd and 3rd homes do not mind the cost to truck in water.  

The last time I was there (~2010) Santa Barbara had a moratorium on new building, due to the shrinking aquafers; don't know if that's still the case.

fishlessman

Top all of this off with old and poorly maintained water systems that have the regular breaks that lose 6 billion gallons of treated water in the US per day.  Phoenix averages 4,000 waterline breaks a year.

still dealing with old clay lined wooden pipes in the boston area holding 100 psi plus. watched a guy digging with a backhoe break one about 20 inches in diameter. was a three stooges moment getting everyone out of the hole running around not knowing what to do

alaskanassasin

fishlessman said:

Top all of this off with old and poorly maintained water systems that have the regular breaks that lose 6 billion gallons of treated water in the US per day.  Phoenix averages 4,000 waterline breaks a year.

still dealing with old clay lined wooden pipes in the boston area holding 100 psi plus. watched a guy digging with a backhoe break one about 20 inches in diameter. was a three stooges moment getting everyone out of the hole running around not knowing what to do

Point fingers! He did it!

EzraBrooks

fishlessman said:

Top all of this off with old and poorly maintained water systems that have the regular breaks that lose 6 billion gallons of treated water in the US per day.  Phoenix averages 4,000 waterline breaks a year.

still dealing with old clay lined wooden pipes in the boston area holding 100 psi plus. watched a guy digging with a backhoe break one about 20 inches in diameter. was a three stooges moment getting everyone out of the hole running around not knowing what to do

I feel like you should have some sort of reality show.

fishlessman

alaskanassasin said:

fishlessman said:

Top all of this off with old and poorly maintained water systems that have the regular breaks that lose 6 billion gallons of treated water in the US per day.  Phoenix averages 4,000 waterline breaks a year.

still dealing with old clay lined wooden pipes in the boston area holding 100 psi plus. watched a guy digging with a backhoe break one about 20 inches in diameter. was a three stooges moment getting everyone out of the hole running around not knowing what to do

Point fingers! He did it!

fortunate for me, i was just leaving the bar and passing by. look down the hole just before hearing ohhhh f***

JohnInCarolina

alaskanassasin said:

JohnInCarolina said:

Global warming has real consequences, wish they would have told us that.  

Is it global warming or too many people using water in a area of the country where they don’t have any of their own?

With these particular lakes, it’s definitely both.  

Of course, convincing a good percentage of the area residents to move elsewhere seems as unlikely to happen as anything else we might try to do.  

kl8ton

Doesn't really need its own thread, but most of us have likely eaten a Vlasic pickle:

https://www.woodtv.com/news/michigan/michigan-pickle-pioneer-dies-at-96/

HeavyG

alaskanassasin said:

My understanding was that secondary water was treated grey water. Recycled water you can drink but treated wastewater which is not choice. When I lived in Raleigh someone had crossed the pipes on a new construction and they were drinking the grey water. It made the news but again safe to drink.

Technically we're all drinking recycled wastewater.

Ozzie_Isaac

HeavyG said:

alaskanassasin said:

My understanding was that secondary water was treated grey water. Recycled water you can drink but treated wastewater which is not choice. When I lived in Raleigh someone had crossed the pipes on a new construction and they were drinking the grey water. It made the news but again safe to drink.

Technically we're all drinking recycled wastewater.

I only drink fresh water from a hydrogen fire.

ColbyLang

Picking another fight with the city. This time involving a variance for a lot adjacent to my bakery. These folks gonna get tired of seeing me

alaskanassasin

ColbyLang said:

Picking another fight with the city. This time involving a variance for a lot adjacent to my bakery. These folks gonna get tired of seeing me

Going that direction with a neighbor of a farm I rent. Uggh why can’t people do the right thing. First time I have ever asked for a lawyer’s help.

CPFC1905

If the PL season was that interminable list of chores set by SWMBO then one was cleared last weekend by Palace condemning Watford to the drop.  There was progress on other chores, but we all know that ‘started it, almost, not quite and will do’ are updates offered by only the naive amongst us and generally yield appendices.

Saturday

The FA Cup final, Chelsea v Liverpool.  It’s just like something that was great when you were a kid but isn’t now. Fun fact though, this is step #2 on Big Jurgy’s attempt at an unheralded quadruple having snaffled the Carabao Cup already.  In contrast to most recent iterations this won’t be a showcase exhibition match.  There will be goals and it could go to penalties. 2-3 as the Reds remain on sparkly form. 

Sunday

Spurs v Burnley, more at stake in this game the most others all season.  The hosts walloped Arsenal in the North London derby to heap pressure back on their neighbours for the cherished 4th place and associated CL spot.  The Clarets have inched away from relegation peril, aided by the implosion of Leeds.  Home win most likely but a draw is not unimaginable. 1-0 and jitters sustain for the visitors. 

Villa v Palace, nothing on the table for either team and talk of ‘giving the kids a run out’. 1-1

Leeds v Brighton, three weeks ago the hosts were long-odds relegation contenders but they’ve played themselves right in to the box seat. A series of red cards in recent games epitomises the pressure on the players. Now they face a gut wrenchingly in-form Seagulls (it’s still too soon for me to acknowledge their impressive defeat of Man Utd last week). The atmosphere will be nasty which could punch further holes below the waterline of the good ship Leeds or plug the existing ones.  Chaos with reign, but 0-0.

Watford v Leicester, again nothing to see here. The rotten Hornets are gone and the Foxes’ season is over. Shake hands on a 1-1 now and save the bus fare?

West Ham v Man City, a point for the Hammers guaranties them Euro football next year but City are very much back on fire now and only a win will slake their thirst for the PL trophy. 0-2

Wolves v Norwich, one point gathered from their combined last 10 games so don’t expect a fantasia of football. Probably a home win. You pick the numbers, I’ll go 2-0.

Everton v Brentford, Super Frank’s Toffees have found the spirit and aptitude missing all season and are now least favourite to go down. Unbeaten in three, this one looks winnable as the Bees are safe and more or less queuing at the airport departure gate for a few weeks on the beach.  2-1 and relegation begins to look impossible for the home side. 

Monday

Newcastle v Arsenal, distracted by the much heralded massive Summer spend planned by Toon there’s a good chance the the Gunners can snatch the result to keep their dream alive of a Top 4 finish.  This is contemporary Arsenal though and nothing is certain.  Last home game of the season though for Newcastle and they could just turn it up to 11 for the sake of the fans.  But I suspect their minds are more on contracts and villas in Dubai. 0-1

Tuesday

Southampton v Liverpool, hot on the heals of their FA cup win or defeat the Reds need all three points to keep tabs on the leaders City. Stumbling here is improbable but would nail them as Runner Up - or First Loser as anti-hero Ice Man described it.  0-3

You can run but you can’t hide.

Is there a Top Gun thread???    

Ozzie_Isaac

alaskanassasin said:

ColbyLang said:

Picking another fight with the city. This time involving a variance for a lot adjacent to my bakery. These folks gonna get tired of seeing me

Going that direction with a neighbor of a farm I rent. Uggh why can’t people do the right thing. First time I have ever asked for a lawyer’s help.

Because is general, people suck.

ColbyLang

alaskanassasin said:

ColbyLang said:

Picking another fight with the city. This time involving a variance for a lot adjacent to my bakery. These folks gonna get tired of seeing me

Going that direction with a neighbor of a farm I rent. Uggh why can’t people do the right thing. First time I have ever asked for a lawyer’s help.

City gave owner variance. Nothing like allowing a single family dwelling to be built on a lot that is 40% of required size with zero green space and an illegal driveway. Zero lot line set backs and they’ll have to trespass to build it. This **** was rubber stamped before I even got to speak. 

alaskanassasin

I knew this bridge was old..

But I didn’t think it was this old…

FrostyEgg

Started pouring rain before I could get this on the egg last night so it was done indoors, but this was fantastic. Prime grade eye of ribeye. Heavy salt and pepper. Hard sear until 130 IT, 10 minute rest.

Canugghead

Killer $hot

lousubcap

Great result right there.  Exceptional finish across the ribeye.  

Ozzie_Isaac

ColbyLang said:

alaskanassasin said:

ColbyLang said:

Picking another fight with the city. This time involving a variance for a lot adjacent to my bakery. These folks gonna get tired of seeing me

Going that direction with a neighbor of a farm I rent. Uggh why can’t people do the right thing. First time I have ever asked for a lawyer’s help.

City gave owner variance. Nothing like allowing a single family dwelling to be built on a lot that is 40% of required size with zero green space and an illegal driveway. Zero lot line set backs and they’ll have to trespass to build it. This **** was rubber stamped before I even got to speak. 

I served on a zoning variance board.  I was very critical of variance requests.  We denied more than approved.  Some of the criteria:

1. Situation must be unique to the property and caused through no fault of the owner.
2. Variance must not negatively impact the other properties adjacent to the land (open to interpretation and public feedback)
3. If a similar situation occured on other property, how it was handled sets a precedent.  So be careful, if this is a first it will impact how other future requests are handled.
4. Variance must not change the usefulness or character of the area.

nolaegghead

Sure, it's all "freedom and less government!" until someone wants freedom and less government next to your property.

nolaegghead

Everything gets wheels…