OT - What are you doing right now?

alaskanassasin

Un.believable.

ColbyLang

I’d fight for a discount and a replacement door. Side will be hidden. How’s it your fault their delivery company is incompetent? 

SonVolt

I could send the whole thing back if I wanted to, but I've waited since December on it and I'm really hoping to avoid that.  They said they'll cover a 5 year extended warranty, replace the door and paneling. I wasn't able to spend much time with it before I had to leave for work, so I'm hoping the door's scruff is superficial. I'll check more when I get home. 

kl8ton

SonVolt said:

The delivery guys dropped the oven down our front steps. Just managed to let go of the dolly and down it went.  Dinged up the side pretty good and scuffed up the side of the custom painted door.  

This sucks!  I saw the delivery fee of $400 for the 48" 8burner dual oven Wolf and was like pffffft  - I'll pick it up myself.

I borrowed a company van.  Dealer loaded oven in van with forklift.  We backed up up to the porch where we had some nice new double doors leading into the main living space with access to kitchen.  I had 3 guys.  We could barely get it to move.  I then googled the weight of the beast.  700lbs.  I called more guys.  Was not fun.  Instantly, I regretted not having the dealer deliver and install.

kl8ton

Bummed.  Our mission trip to Guatemala has been postponed again due to covid.  Things were looking good.  Guatemala has had a recent surge in cases and deaths, and are far less equipped to handle it than we are.  Guatemalan president has just declared a new state of emergency. 

poster

Fishing with the dog for a few days. Wife came too

SonVolt

kl8ton said:

SonVolt said:

The delivery guys dropped the oven down our front steps. Just managed to let go of the dolly and down it went.  Dinged up the side pretty good and scuffed up the side of the custom painted door.  

This sucks!  I saw the delivery fee of $400 for the 48" 8burner dual oven Wolf and was like pffffft  - I'll pick it up myself.

I borrowed a company van.  Dealer loaded oven in van with forklift.  We backed up up to the porch where we had some nice new double doors leading into the main living space with access to kitchen.  I had 3 guys.  We could barely get it to move.  I then googled the weight of the beast.  700lbs.  I called more guys.  Was not fun.  Instantly, I regretted not having the dealer deliver and install.

Mines just a 30" and I was shocked at how impossibly heavy it felt. I couldn't imagine the weight of a 48".  These things aren't lined with steel plate so I'm not sure where the weight comes from. 

Battleborn

poster said:

Fishing with the dog for a few days. Wife came too

Fido looks happy with the catch. 

kl8ton

SonVolt said:

kl8ton said:

SonVolt said:

The delivery guys dropped the oven down our front steps. Just managed to let go of the dolly and down it went.  Dinged up the side pretty good and scuffed up the side of the custom painted door.  

This sucks!  I saw the delivery fee of $400 for the 48" 8burner dual oven Wolf and was like pffffft  - I'll pick it up myself.

I borrowed a company van.  Dealer loaded oven in van with forklift.  We backed up up to the porch where we had some nice new double doors leading into the main living space with access to kitchen.  I had 3 guys.  We could barely get it to move.  I then googled the weight of the beast.  700lbs.  I called more guys.  Was not fun.  Instantly, I regretted not having the dealer deliver and install.

Mines just a 30" and I was shocked at how impossibly heavy it felt. I couldn't imagine the weight of a 48".  These things aren't lined with steel plate so I'm not sure where the weight comes from. 

I think there is fire brick or refractory cement or something like that insulating it.  You spend 9 extra thousand dollars in these stoves to save 400 dollars in gas over 10 years.  😁

Acn

Wondering when I’ll get cable and internet back.

lousubcap

@Acn - totally sucks but how did you post the above w/o internet??

Acn

lousubcap said:

@Acn - totally sucks but how did you post the above w/o internet??

I knew somebody would be the smartass.  

My phone still has service, but I’m going to need to take leave because it won’t support the work laptop.

kl8ton

My youngest (7) just said that I'm the best meatist she knows. 😁

I'll take what I can get in the way of compliments.  If you ask the 16 yo, my main mission is ruining his life.  

ColbyLang

Reading a report from the Department of Defense press conference today. My town getting one of 5 federal medical assistance teams to help in the fight on the 4th surge. Yay! 

DavidCrumpton

kl8ton said:

My youngest (7) just said that I'm the best meatist she knows. 😁

I'll take what I can get in the way of compliments.  If you ask the 16 yo, my main mission is ruining his life.  

Keep up the good work!

Foghorn

DavidCrumpton said:

kl8ton said:

My youngest (7) just said that I'm the best meatist she knows. 😁

I'll take what I can get in the way of compliments.  If you ask the 16 yo, my main mission is ruining his life.  

Keep up the good work!

Yes.  On both fronts.

SonVolt

fishlessman said:

SonVolt said:

Our new Bluestar range that we ordered back in December is finally arriving today.  This is the 20 year old gas hookup line that was connected to our old range. Is there any reason to replace it while I'm at it? 

i had to upsize the line to 3/4 inch for my cluny, upload an installation manual for the bluestar and see what it says. the cluny would probably be fine with 1/2 inch but i wanted to make sure the wok burner would get hot enough if i was running most of the burners. i froze the propane regulator in the winter with the stove so the gas company installed one of those that was bigger as well

I think I'm going to have to upsize also. My current gas line is 3/8" (I think) and slightly too small to thread onto the 1/2" pipe on the back of the range. 

One thing that's confusing me. The instructions recommend upsizing the gas line by 1/4". How does that work? I would install a 3/4" gas line then step it back down to 1/2" at the inlet of the range? Wouldn't that defeat the purpose of the extra 1/4"?

The gas supply line must be the same size or larger than the gas inlet of the appliance. Your appliance has either a ½” NPT or ¾” NPT gas inlet connection. It is recommended that the supply line be ¼” NPT larger than the gas inlet of the appliance. If the gas supply line is not sufficiently sized, the operation of the appliance may be affected.

fishlessman

SonVolt said:

fishlessman said:

SonVolt said:

Our new Bluestar range that we ordered back in December is finally arriving today.  This is the 20 year old gas hookup line that was connected to our old range. Is there any reason to replace it while I'm at it? 

i had to upsize the line to 3/4 inch for my cluny, upload an installation manual for the bluestar and see what it says. the cluny would probably be fine with 1/2 inch but i wanted to make sure the wok burner would get hot enough if i was running most of the burners. i froze the propane regulator in the winter with the stove so the gas company installed one of those that was bigger as well

I think I'm going to have to upsize also. My current gas line is 3/8" (I think) and slightly too small to thread onto the 1/2" pipe on the back of the range. 

One thing that's confusing me. The instructions recommend upsizing the gas line by 1/4". How does that work? I would install a 3/4" gas line then step it back down to 1/2" at the inlet of the range? Wouldn't that defeat the purpose of the extra 1/4"?

The gas supply line must be the same size or larger than the gas inlet of the appliance. Your appliance has either a ½” NPT or ¾” NPT gas inlet connection. It is recommended that the supply line be ¼” NPT larger than the gas inlet of the appliance. If the gas supply line is not sufficiently sized, the operation of the appliance may be affected.

thats how mine was written. i believe its simplified for a typical home, bigger systems have to be compensated for other gas hogging systems, length of piping, how many valves, tees, elbows etc. typical house has stove, boiler, dryer and it could be the extra 1/4 inch diameter is just to compensate for those items adding to the pressure drop

kl8ton

@SonVolt

Many gas appliances/devices are like that.  It has to do with volume.  My pool heater for a 45,000 gallon pool required a 1" line because of the distance of the run and the number of 90 degree bends required.  It necks down to 1/2" for the last 12 inches where it connects to the heaters regulator/valve.  It's math.  Math is hard.

SonVolt

Interesting.  I guess I need to replace the whole line with 3/4" then.

Another thing that's confusing me is the difference between I/D and O/D. The shutoff valve has 1/2" written on it, so I thought it would be big enough for the 1/2" inlet on my new range. However, my old flex gas line that hooks up to that valve is 3/8" I/D & 1/2" O/D.  Are valves measured in Outside Diameter? So confused. 

fishlessman

SonVolt said:

Interesting.  I guess I need to replace the whole line with 3/4" then.

Another thing that's confusing me is the difference between I/D and O/D. The shutoff valve has 1/2" written on it, so I thought it would be big enough for the 1/2" inlet on my new range. However, my old flex gas line that hooks up to that valve is 3/8" I/D & 1/2" O/D.  Are valves measured in Outside Diameter? So confused. 

pipe is measured by the id, tube by the od. fitting on that valve is a flare for compression, not a pipe. assuming stove has a pipe connector, so you need a fitting that connects to the flex line. on the pipe threads use a pipe dope for gas like gasoila.  i would recommend getting a plumber though but the directions are right there on the tag

fishlessman

and check all connections for leaks with soapy water in a spray bottle. a little dish soap mixed with water works fine

lkapigian

SonVolt said:

Interesting.  I guess I need to replace the whole line with 3/4" then.

Another thing that's confusing me is the difference between I/D and O/D. The shutoff valve has 1/2" written on it, so I thought it would be big enough for the 1/2" inlet on my new range. However, my old flex gas line that hooks up to that valve is 3/8" I/D & 1/2" O/D.  Are valves measured in Outside Diameter? So confused. 

that is good for about 50K-85 KBTU only , we use 5/8 OD 1/2 " Id will get you 150KBTU @ 24 " 

SonVolt

lkapigian said:

SonVolt said:

Interesting.  I guess I need to replace the whole line with 3/4" then.

Another thing that's confusing me is the difference between I/D and O/D. The shutoff valve has 1/2" written on it, so I thought it would be big enough for the 1/2" inlet on my new range. However, my old flex gas line that hooks up to that valve is 3/8" I/D & 1/2" O/D.  Are valves measured in Outside Diameter? So confused. 

that is good for about 50K-85 KBTU only , we use 5/8 OD 1/2 " Id will get you 150KBTU @ 24 " 

This is the old flex line I'm planning to replace.  I'm assuming I need to replace not just this flex line for a larger size, but the whole gas run to the range?  If the valve says 1/2" does that mean my gas line is 1/2"?   

lkapigian

SonVolt said:

lkapigian said:

SonVolt said:

Interesting.  I guess I need to replace the whole line with 3/4" then.

Another thing that's confusing me is the difference between I/D and O/D. The shutoff valve has 1/2" written on it, so I thought it would be big enough for the 1/2" inlet on my new range. However, my old flex gas line that hooks up to that valve is 3/8" I/D & 1/2" O/D.  Are valves measured in Outside Diameter? So confused. 

that is good for about 50K-85 KBTU only , we use 5/8 OD 1/2 " Id will get you 150KBTU @ 24 " 

This is the old flex line I'm planning to replace.  I'm assuming I need to replace not just this flex line for a larger size, but the whole gas run to the range?  If the valve says 1/2" does that mean my gas line is 1/2"?   

Yes, the gas line is 1/2 " and the flex is 1/2 OD 3/8 ID....you can get a 5/8 OD gas flex and valve that will have a 1/2" FPT and will get you 150 KBTU with a 24" flex 

what is the btu's of your stove all things running 

SonVolt

lkapigian said:

SonVolt said:

lkapigian said:

SonVolt said:

Interesting.  I guess I need to replace the whole line with 3/4" then.

Another thing that's confusing me is the difference between I/D and O/D. The shutoff valve has 1/2" written on it, so I thought it would be big enough for the 1/2" inlet on my new range. However, my old flex gas line that hooks up to that valve is 3/8" I/D & 1/2" O/D.  Are valves measured in Outside Diameter? So confused. 

that is good for about 50K-85 KBTU only , we use 5/8 OD 1/2 " Id will get you 150KBTU @ 24 " 

This is the old flex line I'm planning to replace.  I'm assuming I need to replace not just this flex line for a larger size, but the whole gas run to the range?  If the valve says 1/2" does that mean my gas line is 1/2"?   

Yes, the gas line is 1/2 " and the flex is 1/2 OD 3/8 ID....you can get a 5/8 OD gas flex and valve that will have a 1/2" FPT and will get you 150 KBTU with a 24" flex 

what is the btu's of your stove all things running 

Here’s what the spec sheet says.  Looks like 114k total BTU?

lkapigian

@SonVolt looks like 140k BTU all in, I would get the 1/2 FPT 5/8 flex and you will be fine 

alaskanassasin

SonVolt

lkapigian said:

@SonVolt looks like 140k BTU all in, I would get the 1/2 FPT 5/8 flex and you will be fine 

Y’all been a big help. I’m headed to the pipe supply house now. Is the 5/8” flex all I need? Or will I need any adapter for either the male end of the 1/2” valve or the inlet pipe on the range? do I need to change the valve size too? Sorry for all the questions but this is all new to me. 

lkapigian

No adaptor, they make a 1/2 x 5/8