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CPFC1905

lkapigian said:

Fire for @sciaggie

For the purposes of administrative clarity, the 'like' I willingly supplied was mostly for the Santa Maria grill.  
I do like a flamed veg kebab stick, don't get me wrong - but one day I will heave a huge slice of Galician cow on to one of those beauties, doused in coarse salt and live like a Basque. 
Couple of links here to ink in some of the details as to why... https://steaksociety.com/basque-beef/

johnmitchell

Morning Coffee on the porch watching my butt....

Acn

Last night’s dinner

CPFC1905

Turning to you for practical advice.  

I have ‘inherited’ this at my new place.  It heats the water and underfloor heating.  

I am led to believe the builder unwittingly picked one of the more expensive ways to do so & am in for tall electric bills. 

What do you reckon lads?

Eoin

Air source heat pump. The builder will have picked it because it's a cheap solution relative to ground source. The problem is, it's extracting heat from the air and when you most need your heating, the outside air is cold.

In the UK, electricity is up to 4 x more expensive per kWh than gas. The energy multiplication factor of the heat pump is lost in the relatively high extra cost of electricity. When it's really cold, it will cost more to run than gas.

GATraveller

Last night's salmon (from the egg) and vegetable fried rice (off the Blackstone) 

CPFC1905

Eoin said:

Air source heat pump. The builder will have picked it because it's a cheap solution relative to ground source. The problem is, it's extracting heat from the air and when you most need your heating, the outside air is cold.

In the UK, electricity is up to 4 x more expensive per kWh than gas. The energy multiplication factor of the heat pump is lost in the relatively high extra cost of electricity. When it's really cold, it will cost more to run than gas.

Ok,  so as opposed to a a relatively linear fuel to heat conversion there's the X factor of low air temperature as well?     The paradox being that heating my house on a hot day, by 5 degrees, would be cheaper than the same hike on a cold day? 
Can you still put magnets of meters to make them go backwards??

Eoin

CPFC1905 said:

Eoin said:

Air source heat pump. The builder will have picked it because it's a cheap solution relative to ground source. The problem is, it's extracting heat from the air and when you most need your heating, the outside air is cold.

In the UK, electricity is up to 4 x more expensive per kWh than gas. The energy multiplication factor of the heat pump is lost in the relatively high extra cost of electricity. When it's really cold, it will cost more to run than gas.

Ok,  so as opposed to a a relatively linear fuel to heat conversion there's the X factor of low air temperature as well?     The paradox being that heating my house on a hot day, by 5 degrees, would be cheaper than the same hike on a cold day? 
Can you still put magnets of meters to make them go backwards??

You can get your underfloor heating nice and toasty today at minimal cost. Use the savings to stock up on thermals for the winter when you can't afford to run it.

Does anyone still have a mechanical meter?

lkapigian

CPFC1905 said:

Turning to you for practical advice.  

I have ‘inherited’ this at my new place.  It heats the water and underfloor heating.  

I am led to believe the builder unwittingly picked one of the more expensive ways to do so & am in for tall electric bills. 

What do you reckon lads?

Water Source Heat Pump with inverter driven compressor , once the floor is heated the run times will be very low....very low wattage motor , even where I am and pay a premium per KWH, I would not worry about the consumption ...

Acn

Opened a new casserole pan Amazon dropped off, and got a bunch of chicken thighs on a gochujang marinade for dinner.

Ozzie_Isaac

CPFC1905 said:

Turning to you for practical advice.  

I have ‘inherited’ this at my new place.  It heats the water and underfloor heating.  

I am led to believe the builder unwittingly picked one of the more expensive ways to do so & am in for tall electric bills. 

What do you reckon lads?

@NPHuskerFL might have some information, this is in his bailiwick.

CPFC1905

lkapigian said:

CPFC1905 said:

Turning to you for practical advice.  

I have ‘inherited’ this at my new place.  It heats the water and underfloor heating.  

I am led to believe the builder unwittingly picked one of the more expensive ways to do so & am in for tall electric bills. 

What do you reckon lads?

Water Source Heat Pump with inverter driven compressor , once the floor is heated the run times will be very low....very low wattage motor , even where I am and pay a premium per KWH, I would not worry about the consumption ...

Cheers.  The previous occupants didn’t stay long and moaned about the costs.  We suspect they worked office hours and treated it like conventional radiator heating and not the thermal mass approach familiar to us Eggers. 

CPFC1905

Ozzie_Isaac said:

CPFC1905 said:

Turning to you for practical advice.  

I have ‘inherited’ this at my new place.  It heats the water and underfloor heating.  

I am led to believe the builder unwittingly picked one of the more expensive ways to do so & am in for tall electric bills. 

What do you reckon lads?

@NPHuskerFL might have some information, this is in his bailiwick.

Thanks. I’ll stand by.  

What is is to have real adults that I can delegate all my problems and questions to 😁

Eoin

lkapigian said:

CPFC1905 said:

Turning to you for practical advice.  

I have ‘inherited’ this at my new place.  It heats the water and underfloor heating.  

I am led to believe the builder unwittingly picked one of the more expensive ways to do so & am in for tall electric bills. 

What do you reckon lads?

Water Source Heat Pump with inverter driven compressor , once the floor is heated the run times will be very low....very low wattage motor , even where I am and pay a premium per KWH, I would not worry about the consumption ...

Isn't it the other way round? Air source with hot water output for underfloor heating? We don't have blown air heating here in the UK.

Eoin

Acn said:

Opened a new casserole pan Amazon dropped off, and got a bunch of chicken thighs on a gochujang marinade for dinner.

I have a Denby one that size, same colour too, gets a lot of use. 

lkapigian

Eoin said:

lkapigian said:

CPFC1905 said:

Turning to you for practical advice.  

I have ‘inherited’ this at my new place.  It heats the water and underfloor heating.  

I am led to believe the builder unwittingly picked one of the more expensive ways to do so & am in for tall electric bills. 

What do you reckon lads?

Water Source Heat Pump with inverter driven compressor , once the floor is heated the run times will be very low....very low wattage motor , even where I am and pay a premium per KWH, I would not worry about the consumption ...

Isn't it the other way round? Air source with hot water output for underfloor heating? We don't have blown air heating here in the UK.

Eoin said:

lkapigian said:

CPFC1905 said:

Turning to you for practical advice.  

I have ‘inherited’ this at my new place.  It heats the water and underfloor heating.  

I am led to believe the builder unwittingly picked one of the more expensive ways to do so & am in for tall electric bills. 

What do you reckon lads?

Water Source Heat Pump with inverter driven compressor , once the floor is heated the run times will be very low....very low wattage motor , even where I am and pay a premium per KWH, I would not worry about the consumption ...

Isn't it the other way round? Air source with hot water output for underfloor heating? We don't have blown air heating here in the UK.

I....ive alwa6s referred to them as water source anytime water is part if the exchange but either way so long as not air/air...

I guess in this application air to water may be more descriptive .

lkapigian

A friend gave some pepper sauce , so another Salami Weekend 

gmanrva

Gulfcoastguy

Eoin said:

Air source heat pump. The builder will have picked it because it's a cheap solution relative to ground source. The problem is, it's extracting heat from the air and when you most need your heating, the outside air is cold.

In the UK, electricity is up to 4 x more expensive per kWh than gas. The energy multiplication factor of the heat pump is lost in the relatively high extra cost of electricity. When it's really cold, it will cost more to run than gas.

The question is the cheapest way to fix the situation. He could add solar panels to produce more of his own electricity. There might be government subsidies in order to do so. But there may not be a convenient sunny roof. Or he could contract a heating contractor about converting to gas heating of the water. The thing is natural gas prices got as cheap as they are because of fracking in the US. Currently all fracking companies in the US are out of business and over a quarter of them have been bankrupted by OPECs current actions combined by Covid consumption drops. Long and short today’s gas prices may be cheap compared to tomorrow’s.

hoosier_egger

Just hit some thighs within jerk seasoning for tomorrow. Tonight I'm doing skirt steak.

Eoin

Gulfcoastguy said:

Eoin said:

Air source heat pump. The builder will have picked it because it's a cheap solution relative to ground source. The problem is, it's extracting heat from the air and when you most need your heating, the outside air is cold.

In the UK, electricity is up to 4 x more expensive per kWh than gas. The energy multiplication factor of the heat pump is lost in the relatively high extra cost of electricity. When it's really cold, it will cost more to run than gas.

The question is the cheapest way to fix the situation. He could add solar panels to produce more of his own electricity. There might be government subsidies in order to do so. But there may not be a convenient sunny roof. Or he could contract a heating contractor about converting to gas heating of the water. The thing is natural gas prices got as cheap as they are because of fracking in the US. Currently all fracking companies in the US are out of business and over a quarter of them have been bankrupted by OPECs current actions combined by Covid consumption drops. Long and short today’s gas prices may be cheap compared to tomorrow’s.

Natural gas is a fraction of the cost of electricity here, which messes with the economics of heat pumps.

Cornholio

Didn’t get around to doing ribs last night so had them for lunch today. Still one of my favorite cooks on the egg. My youngest will be enjoying ribs for dinner, her second favorite behind tri-tip. 

johnmitchell

Cornholio said:

Didn’t get around to doing ribs last night so had them for lunch today. Still one of my favorite cooks on the egg. My youngest will be enjoying ribs for dinner, her second favorite behind tri-tip. 

Wow... Meaty ribs, look great!!

CPFC1905

Gulfcoastguy said:

Eoin said:

Air source heat pump. The builder will have picked it because it's a cheap solution relative to ground source. The problem is, it's extracting heat from the air and when you most need your heating, the outside air is cold.

In the UK, electricity is up to 4 x more expensive per kWh than gas. The energy multiplication factor of the heat pump is lost in the relatively high extra cost of electricity. When it's really cold, it will cost more to run than gas.

The question is the cheapest way to fix the situation. He could add solar panels to produce more of his own electricity. There might be government subsidies in order to do so. But there may not be a convenient sunny roof. Or he could contract a heating contractor about converting to gas heating of the water. The thing is natural gas prices got as cheap as they are because of fracking in the US. Currently all fracking companies in the US are out of business and over a quarter of them have been bankrupted by OPECs current actions combined by Covid consumption drops. Long and short today’s gas prices may be cheap compared to tomorrow’s.

Spot on @Gulfcoastguy I was thinking of solar as there is a good sun arc across one roof.   I'll need to look in to the economics of it.    My rationale being that cheaper fuel meaning lower bills.

However, my neighbour's view is slightly different based on the underfloor heating also not being of impeccable quality, plus set under very well insulated flooring.  

He reckons on breaking open the floor to reveal the water pipe,  junction that  to a decent size wall-mounted water fed radiator or two - to accelerate the warming effect.

lousubcap

@ColtsFan - Livin' large with those two cooks.  Gotta get me some more of that Walkerswood.  Great eats await.  Enjoy.

Gulfcoastguy

CPFC1905 said:

Gulfcoastguy said:

Eoin said:

Air source heat pump. The builder will have picked it because it's a cheap solution relative to ground source. The problem is, it's extracting heat from the air and when you most need your heating, the outside air is cold.

In the UK, electricity is up to 4 x more expensive per kWh than gas. The energy multiplication factor of the heat pump is lost in the relatively high extra cost of electricity. When it's really cold, it will cost more to run than gas.

The question is the cheapest way to fix the situation. He could add solar panels to produce more of his own electricity. There might be government subsidies in order to do so. But there may not be a convenient sunny roof. Or he could contract a heating contractor about converting to gas heating of the water. The thing is natural gas prices got as cheap as they are because of fracking in the US. Currently all fracking companies in the US are out of business and over a quarter of them have been bankrupted by OPECs current actions combined by Covid consumption drops. Long and short today’s gas prices may be cheap compared to tomorrow’s.

Spot on @Gulfcoastguy I was thinking of solar as there is a good sun arc across one roof.   I'll need to look in to the economics of it.    My rationale being that cheaper fuel meaning lower bills.

However, my neighbour's view is slightly different based on the underfloor heating also not being of impeccable quality, plus set under very well insulated flooring.  

He reckons on breaking open the floor to reveal the water pipe,  junction that  to a decent size wall-mounted water fed radiator or two - to accelerate the warming effect.

I went for three years using radiant space heaters until I could replace my antique electric central HVAC unit with a 17 SEER air sourced heat pump( forced air) . Of course there are several differences in our circumstances. First we have very different climates. Second the ductwork was already installed. Third natural gas pipelines don’t run by my house. Fourth electricity is only 12 cents a kWh locally. 

Maybe cutting an inspection hole in the floor someplace not easily visible will answer your questions? 

Ozzie_Isaac

Making some bacon for a snack while I am cooking my ribs.

lousubcap

@Ozzie_Isaac - that's gotta be one he!! of a snack 

Ozzie_Isaac

lousubcap said:

@Ozzie_Isaac - that's gotta be one he!! of a snack 

I learned from @SGH just wish I had shrimp and oysters too.

CPFC1905

Gulfcoastguy said:

CPFC1905 said:

Gulfcoastguy said:

I went for three years using radiant space heaters until I could replace my antique electric central HVAC unit with a 17 SEER air sourced heat pump( forced air) . Of course there are several differences in our circumstances. First we have very different climates. Second the ductwork was already installed. Third natural gas pipelines don’t run by my house. Fourth electricity is only 12 cents a kWh locally. 

Maybe cutting an inspection hole in the floor someplace not easily visible will answer your questions? 

No gas either & electricity (give or take exchange rate) 40 cent per day,  plus 25 cents / kWh.   Thick socks this Winter,  although (hear the sound of straws being clutched)  it has been very warm here and the temperature in the house has not changed much,  so hoping its well insulated and at least I am not warming the garden!