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OT: Here’s Why You Can’t Find PVW in Oregon

CTMike
CTMike Posts: 3,641
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Arseholes

https://www.nbcnews.com/news/us-news/oregon-officials-lose-job-keeping-rare-pappy-van-winkle-bourbon-rcna69883
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  • ChrisgrillsSTLMO
    ChrisgrillsSTLMO Posts: 401
    Well, that and I can’t afford it…
    Chris
    St. Louis, MO
    Unit 1: LBGE, cedar table Unit 2:Akorn
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  • JohnInCarolina
    JohnInCarolina Posts: 34,668
    In case you don’t want to click through:


    "I've made a note never to piss you two off." - Stike

    "The truth is, these are not very bright guys, and things got out of hand." - Deep Throat
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  • lousubcap
    lousubcap Posts: 36,670
    That's Oregon.  What about the remaining 49 states??   =)
    Louisville; Rolling smoke in the neighbourhood.  Life is too short for light/lite beer!  Seems I'm livin in a transitional period. CHEETO (aka Agent Orange) makes Nixon look like a saint.  
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  • Buckwoody Egger
    Buckwoody Egger Posts: 1,469
    https://www.abc.virginia.gov/about/media-room/2023/02082023-upcoming-van-winkle-lotteries

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  • Langner91
    Langner91 Posts: 2,120
    I've heard that PVW is an excellent marinade for the chicken you cook on your Big Green Egg.


    *Trying to keep this thread from hitting the iceberg.
    Clinton, Iowa
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  • Buckwoody Egger
    Buckwoody Egger Posts: 1,469
    edited February 2023
    A few dashes of this are welcome on many egged dishes


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  • fishlessman
    fishlessman Posts: 34,554
    nh last year, 100 dollar raffle ticket, 2500 tickets


    New Hampshire Liquor and Wine Outlet's Buddy-Up! Raffle for Best Buddies New Hampshire
    2022 Prize Package & Rules
    In honor of Best Buddies New Hampshire, NH Liquor & Wine Outlet will raffle one prize package
    and one winner will be selected.
    Prize Package
    • One bottle each of:
    • Old Rip Van Winkle 10yr Bourbon
    • Pappy Van Winkle 15 Yr Old Bourbon
    • Pappy Van Winkle Family Reserve 20 Yr
    • Van Winkle Special Rsv 12 Yr Old Bourbon
    • Pappy Van Winkle Family Rsv 23 Yr Old
    • E.H. Taylor Four Grain Bourbon Whiskey
    • William Larue Weller KY Bourbon
    • George T Stagg KY Strgt Bourbon
    • Sazerac KY Straight Rye Whiskey 18 yr
    • Eagle Rare Straight Bourbon 17 yr
    • Thomas T. Handy Sazerac Rye Whiskey
    • E.H. Taylor Jr Barrel Proof
    • E.H. Taylor 18yr Marriage Bourbon
    • E.H. Taylor Warehouse C
    • E.H. Taylor Jr Single Barrel Whiskey
    • E.H. Taylor Jr Small Batch Bourbon
    • Two VIP tickets to the Distiller’s Showcase of Premium Spirits on November 3, 2022
    • Two tickets to an NHLC-sponsored tasting event on November 2, 2022
    • Two tickets to a Buffalo Trace Tasting Dinner at the Crown Tavern on November 1, 2022
    • An all-expense trip to New Hampshire, including:
    • Coach airfare or mileage reimbursement
    • Hotel accommodations in Manchester, NH (November 1st through November
    4th)
    • $300 gift card for dining and travel


    fukahwee maine

    you can lead a fish to water but you can not make him drink it
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  • Canugghead
    Canugghead Posts: 13,631
    Langner91 said:
    I've heard that PVW is an excellent marinade for the chicken you cook on your Big Green Egg.


    *Trying to keep this thread from hitting the iceberg.
    OP has 11 min to to BGE in the title of this thread!
    canuckland
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  • ColbyLang
    ColbyLang Posts: 4,385
    PVW MSRP is extremely reasonable. Sub $275 for a 23. The 10 year is 79.99
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  • lousubcap
    lousubcap Posts: 36,670
    @ColbyLang - You are correct but it has been close to 20 years since I saw it at MSRP (any version).  In the late 1990's you could always find the 10 and 12 yo on the shelf.  15 yo around 8-9 months of the year.  The 20 and 23 were only good for about 5-6 weeks sighting.  Then the great export to the remainder of the US and overseas took hold and the distillers have never looked back.  

    Louisville; Rolling smoke in the neighbourhood.  Life is too short for light/lite beer!  Seems I'm livin in a transitional period. CHEETO (aka Agent Orange) makes Nixon look like a saint.  
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  • ColbyLang
    ColbyLang Posts: 4,385
    Agreed @lousubcap, baby brother was at Costco 4 years ago. Had a 23 sitting on the shelf. He bought for $269. Turned down an offer of $3400 for it last week 
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  • JohnInCarolina
    JohnInCarolina Posts: 34,668
    ColbyLang said:
    Agreed @lousubcap, baby brother was at Costco 4 years ago. Had a 23 sitting on the shelf. He bought for $269. Turned down an offer of $3400 for it last week 
    Every sentence after the first is crazy.  
    "I've made a note never to piss you two off." - Stike

    "The truth is, these are not very bright guys, and things got out of hand." - Deep Throat
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  • ColbyLang
    ColbyLang Posts: 4,385
    It’s going for 5 grand on the secondary. He’s in no need to sell it. It’s in the bag, tags still on it. 
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  • CTMike
    CTMike Posts: 3,641
    JohnInCarolina said:
    In case you don’t want to click through:


    But they swore they weren’t selling the bottles on the secondary market. I’m sure we can take them at their word for that, I mean they showed such honesty and integrity doing their job on the State Liquor Commission. 
    MMBGE / Large BGE / XL BGE (Craigslist Find) / SF30x80 cabinet trailer - "Ol' Mortimer" / Outdoor kitchen in progress.  

    RECOVERING BUBBLEHEAD
    Southeastern CT. 
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  • CTMike
    CTMike Posts: 3,641
    edited February 2023
    ColbyLang said:
    Agreed @lousubcap, baby brother was at Costco 4 years ago. Had a 23 sitting on the shelf. He bought for $269. Turned down an offer of $3400 for it last week 
    I was able to score a bottle of PVW 23 in 2014 for $300, MSRP at the time was $250. I was ok paying a 20% premium as it was a small mom and pop liquor store that always treated me well. 

    Haven’t been able to find even a whiff of anything PVW or BTAC related since. 
    MMBGE / Large BGE / XL BGE (Craigslist Find) / SF30x80 cabinet trailer - "Ol' Mortimer" / Outdoor kitchen in progress.  

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  • TechsasJim
    TechsasJim Posts: 2,252
    After all my years of searching, I have never even seen a bottle of PVW of any version.   Should be renamed Yeti or Chupacabra.
    LBGE, 28” BS, Weber Kettle, HCI 7.8 SE Texas
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  • Ozzie_Isaac
    Ozzie_Isaac Posts: 21,627
    ColbyLang said:
    It’s going for 5 grand on the secondary. He’s in no need to sell it. It’s in the bag, tags still on it. 
    Make sure he occasionally rolls it so the cork stays moist.  Otherwise it will dry and crack and the bourbon will oxidize.

    I would rather light a candle than curse your darkness.

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  • Foghorn
    Foghorn Posts: 10,224
    Ozzie_Isaac said:
    ColbyLang said:
    It’s going for 5 grand on the secondary. He’s in no need to sell it. It’s in the bag, tags still on it. 
    Make sure he occasionally rolls it so the cork stays moist.  Otherwise it will dry and crack and the bourbon will oxidize.
    Talk about potential to be devastated...

    XXL BGE, Karebecue, Klose BYC, Chargiller Akorn Kamado, Weber Smokey Mountain, Grand Turbo gasser, Weber Smoky Joe, and the wheelbarrow that my grandfather used to cook steaks from his cattle

    San Antonio, TX

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  • alaskanassasin
    alaskanassasin Posts: 8,886
    If you haven’t yet check out bourbon king on Netflix 
    South of Columbus, Ohio.


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  • BigreenGreg
    BigreenGreg Posts: 600
    ColtsFan said:
    One thing I will never do is buy bourbon and let it sit on the shelf. Drink that shiit 
    Did that mantra have anything to do with your exit from BB? I’m seeing a pattern. Lol.
    LBGE, 36" Blackstone, Anova Pro
    Charleston, SC
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  • TechsasJim
    TechsasJim Posts: 2,252
    alaskanassasin said:
    If you haven’t yet check out bourbon king on Netflix 
    I cannot find anything by that name on Netflix.   Is there another name?
    LBGE, 28” BS, Weber Kettle, HCI 7.8 SE Texas
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  • JohnInCarolina
    JohnInCarolina Posts: 34,668
    TechsasJim said:
    alaskanassasin said:
    If you haven’t yet check out bourbon king on Netflix 
    I cannot find anything by that name on Netflix.   Is there another name?
    He may be talking about “Heist”
    "I've made a note never to piss you two off." - Stike

    "The truth is, these are not very bright guys, and things got out of hand." - Deep Throat
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  • alaskanassasin
    alaskanassasin Posts: 8,886
    JohnInCarolina said:
    TechsasJim said:
    alaskanassasin said:
    If you haven’t yet check out bourbon king on Netflix 
    I cannot find anything by that name on Netflix.   Is there another name?
    He may be talking about “Heist”

    sorry, I think it was the Heist series, and Bourbon King episodes.  These guys were steeling Buffalo Trace distillery bourbon and selling it on the black market.
    South of Columbus, Ohio.


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  • alaskanassasin
    alaskanassasin Posts: 8,886
    Barrels of it if I recall.
    South of Columbus, Ohio.


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  • Jstroke
    Jstroke Posts: 2,605
    alaskanassasin said:
    Barrels of it if I recall.
    You want friends with strong backs and weak minds. Whew, moving full barrels is no joke.
    Columbus, Ohio--A Gasser filled with Matchlight and an Ugly Drum.
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  • HeavyG
    HeavyG Posts: 10,380
    The VA ABC opens up its first lottery for PVW next week and they are offering quite a few bottles (of what I assume are some of the "lesser" varieties) up for grabs. The second batch a few weeks later includes just ONE bottle of the 23 year old.


    The people that buy those bottles of 23 year PVW - how many of them actually ever crack it open to drink any or is it more like a "hold on to it just because" collectible kind of thing or do most who buy one hope to just make a wad of cash at some point in the future?

    I don't drink much alcohol so if I win I'm pretty sure I'd just turn around and sell it. Or maybe just marinate some chicken in it. :)
    “Reality is that which, when you stop believing in it, doesn't go away.” ― Philip K. Diçk




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  • lousubcap
    lousubcap Posts: 36,670
    PVW 20 yo is the oldest i was able to buy and that was a good 12 years ago.  It is long gone but D-I-L is quite creative and turned the bottle into a small table lamp.  I see it every day and will never see it in the wild again.
    That's the market and I never saw this extreme bourbon growth explosion coming.  I figured the curve would start to flatten out around 6-7 years ago and stabilize at a new plateau.  So much for my insights.

    BTW-some interesting bits of data regarding brown and clear spirits over the past 50+ years.  It was back in 1968 that distiller's inventory reached 8.7 million barrels. With the ups and downs in brown spirits (and the domination of the clears) it took 51 years to reach a new high bourbon mark of 9.1 million in 2019.  At the close of 2022 there were 11.4 million barrels in inventory. 

    Enjoy whatever you pour!
    Louisville; Rolling smoke in the neighbourhood.  Life is too short for light/lite beer!  Seems I'm livin in a transitional period. CHEETO (aka Agent Orange) makes Nixon look like a saint.  
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  • Legume
    Legume Posts: 15,936
    TechsasJim said:
    After all my years of searching, I have never even seen a bottle of PVW of any version.   Should be renamed Yeti or Chupacabra.
    yetis aren't rare at all, but they are equally overpriced.
    THANK YOU FOR YOUR ATTENTION TO THIS MATTER
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