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  • Ozzie_Isaac
    Ozzie_Isaac Posts: 21,627
    ColbyLang said:
    Be free of the utility company…..go off the grid. Except my utility company provides my water, and I can’t do without water……

    thank your local government. They struck deals with these companies to provide you with utilities 
    Once battery power gets better and cheaper I will.  Only physical utility connection I currently have is electric.  5G home internet, propane, well, septic, and then electric.

    I would rather light a candle than curse your darkness.

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  • ColbyLang
    ColbyLang Posts: 4,385
    Ozzie_Isaac said:
    ColbyLang said:
    Be free of the utility company…..go off the grid. Except my utility company provides my water, and I can’t do without water……

    thank your local government. They struck deals with these companies to provide you with utilities 
    Once battery power gets better and cheaper I will.  Only physical utility connection I currently have is electric.  5G home internet, propane, well, septic, and then electric.
    I’m jealous. Our utility provider also handles our garbage and recycling. Total **** show. Owned by the customers….hahahahaha
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  • fishlessman
    fishlessman Posts: 34,554
    alaskanassasin said:
    HeavyG said:
    alaskanassasin said:
    HeavyG said:
    Ozzie_Isaac said:
    JohnfromKentucky said:
    Ozzie_Isaac said:
    Decided to save the environment.  Buying a solar system for the house.  Now I can keep my house cold and my pool warm with abandon.

    We have decided to get solar too. ground mount since we don't have that much southerly facing roofline. 48 panels will cover 112% of our usage. Our county has some of the better (and now I'm drawing a blank!) banking of electricity...ugh what is that called?! hah

    Should be getting it installed in a couple of weeks. Can't wait
    We had planned to build extra horse shades and put solar panels on them, however, the extra cost for building code requirements were extremely high.  I could build a decent barn for the extra cost.

    We decided to go on the roof (patio roof, so not above living space).  Based on buybacks, we are only putting in enough for 85% of our annual usage.  If I lived a mile in either east I would put in 120% and be happy as a clam.  Instead my utility credits $0.037 per kilowatt in "avoided cost" for the month and no roll-over to next month.  Sunshine capital of the US and one of the worst solar policies for consumers.

    Behold the power of oligarchies/monopolies!
    Gotta love the "power" of free markets. B)


    Isn’t the free market allowing Ozzie to go solar?

    Are you familiar with what has been going on in Arizona regarding customers installing solar power and the lobbying efforts of monopoly electric utilities (SRP in particular) over the last few years?

    You really believe it is the "free market" that allows one to add solar panels to a house connected to the grid?
    Nope. I think there is a lot of solar scamming going on too though.  Our power bill averages less than a Hundo a month so if I’m going to start complaining it will be about the tens thousands of dollars I pay in various insurances I never use and the $125 it
    cost to get 3/4 tank of fuel in my truck.

    the constant solar spam calls are a dead giveaway. try heating with propane heat. keeping my 1000 sqft house at 55 degrees averaged 250 per week this winter. not a real cold winter, but windy. even though we are getting hit with the price per kwhs, i manage to not use much anyways, i would freak if it ever hit 100 bucks and im sure it will soon
    fukahwee maine

    you can lead a fish to water but you can not make him drink it
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  • Gulfcoastguy
    Gulfcoastguy Posts: 7,317
    Yes that is the thing with my $116 electric bill, there is no accompanying gas bill. Electricity is it.
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  • Acn
    Acn Posts: 4,490
    Disney trip reservations.  A little surprised at how excited the 14 year old (15 by the time of the trip) is, but happy to roll.

    LBGE

    Pikesville, MD

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  • alaskanassasin
    alaskanassasin Posts: 8,886
    edited April 2022
    fishlessman said:
    alaskanassasin said:
    HeavyG said:
    alaskanassasin said:
    HeavyG said:
    Ozzie_Isaac said:
    JohnfromKentucky said:
    Ozzie_Isaac said:
    Decided to save the environment.  Buying a solar system for the house.  Now I can keep my house cold and my pool warm with abandon.

    We have decided to get solar too. ground mount since we don't have that much southerly facing roofline. 48 panels will cover 112% of our usage. Our county has some of the better (and now I'm drawing a blank!) banking of electricity...ugh what is that called?! hah

    Should be getting it installed in a couple of weeks. Can't wait
    We had planned to build extra horse shades and put solar panels on them, however, the extra cost for building code requirements were extremely high.  I could build a decent barn for the extra cost.

    We decided to go on the roof (patio roof, so not above living space).  Based on buybacks, we are only putting in enough for 85% of our annual usage.  If I lived a mile in either east I would put in 120% and be happy as a clam.  Instead my utility credits $0.037 per kilowatt in "avoided cost" for the month and no roll-over to next month.  Sunshine capital of the US and one of the worst solar policies for consumers.

    Behold the power of oligarchies/monopolies!
    Gotta love the "power" of free markets. B)


    Isn’t the free market allowing Ozzie to go solar?

    Are you familiar with what has been going on in Arizona regarding customers installing solar power and the lobbying efforts of monopoly electric utilities (SRP in particular) over the last few years?

    You really believe it is the "free market" that allows one to add solar panels to a house connected to the grid?
    Nope. I think there is a lot of solar scamming going on too though.  Our power bill averages less than a Hundo a month so if I’m going to start complaining it will be about the tens thousands of dollars I pay in various insurances I never use and the $125 it
    cost to get 3/4 tank of fuel in my truck.

    the constant solar spam calls are a dead giveaway. try heating with propane heat. keeping my 1000 sqft house at 55 degrees averaged 250 per week this winter. not a real cold winter, but windy. even though we are getting hit with the price per kwhs, i manage to not use much anyways, i would freak if it ever hit 100 bucks and im sure it will soon

      I haven't done a ton of research but there is a slick guy on tv here that screams at you and that is a red flag for me.  I know a guy who had  panels installed and I did quick math that had him breaking even in 30 years, smh. He was reluctant to tell me about it.  Finally, if you finance them they will take your house as collateral and that would add hoops to jump through for selling or refi
    South of Columbus, Ohio.


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  • alaskanassasin
    alaskanassasin Posts: 8,886
    Our goal is to be more energy efficient via insulation, windows, doors, siding etc.
    South of Columbus, Ohio.


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  • Ozzie_Isaac
    Ozzie_Isaac Posts: 21,627
    edited April 2022
    alaskanassasin said:
    fishlessman said:
    alaskanassasin said:
    HeavyG said:
    alaskanassasin said:
    HeavyG said:
    Ozzie_Isaac said:
    JohnfromKentucky said:
    Ozzie_Isaac said:
    Decided to save the environment.  Buying a solar system for the house.  Now I can keep my house cold and my pool warm with abandon.

    We have decided to get solar too. ground mount since we don't have that much southerly facing roofline. 48 panels will cover 112% of our usage. Our county has some of the better (and now I'm drawing a blank!) banking of electricity...ugh what is that called?! hah

    Should be getting it installed in a couple of weeks. Can't wait
    We had planned to build extra horse shades and put solar panels on them, however, the extra cost for building code requirements were extremely high.  I could build a decent barn for the extra cost.

    We decided to go on the roof (patio roof, so not above living space).  Based on buybacks, we are only putting in enough for 85% of our annual usage.  If I lived a mile in either east I would put in 120% and be happy as a clam.  Instead my utility credits $0.037 per kilowatt in "avoided cost" for the month and no roll-over to next month.  Sunshine capital of the US and one of the worst solar policies for consumers.

    Behold the power of oligarchies/monopolies!
    Gotta love the "power" of free markets. B)


    Isn’t the free market allowing Ozzie to go solar?

    Are you familiar with what has been going on in Arizona regarding customers installing solar power and the lobbying efforts of monopoly electric utilities (SRP in particular) over the last few years?

    You really believe it is the "free market" that allows one to add solar panels to a house connected to the grid?
    Nope. I think there is a lot of solar scamming going on too though.  Our power bill averages less than a Hundo a month so if I’m going to start complaining it will be about the tens thousands of dollars I pay in various insurances I never use and the $125 it
    cost to get 3/4 tank of fuel in my truck.

    the constant solar spam calls are a dead giveaway. try heating with propane heat. keeping my 1000 sqft house at 55 degrees averaged 250 per week this winter. not a real cold winter, but windy. even though we are getting hit with the price per kwhs, i manage to not use much anyways, i would freak if it ever hit 100 bucks and im sure it will soon

      I haven't done a ton of research but there is a slick guy on tv here that screams at you and that is a red flag for me.  I know a guy who had them panels installed and I did quick math that had him breaking even in 30 years, smh. He was reluctant to tell me about it.  Finally, if you finance them they will take your house as collateral and that would add hoops to jump through for selling or refi
    The overall value prop is impacted by a lot of factors, including the rapid price drops in equipment, government subsidies (26% - 2022, 23% - 2023, 0% - 2024), and future utility rate and buyback changes.

    I ran the numbers and payback is probably around 10 years conservatively.  If I waited a few years with price drops, etc it would probably get even better. (My payback is so slow because of stupid utility company, and I am not factoring in propane savings because converting to electric heat will be pricey).

    In the end, I am treating it more like a luxury.  I want it, so I am getting it.  Maybe it works out, maybe it doesn't.

    I would rather light a candle than curse your darkness.

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  • fishlessman
    fishlessman Posts: 34,554
    alaskanassasin said:
    fishlessman said:
    alaskanassasin said:
    HeavyG said:
    alaskanassasin said:
    HeavyG said:
    Ozzie_Isaac said:
    JohnfromKentucky said:
    Ozzie_Isaac said:
    Decided to save the environment.  Buying a solar system for the house.  Now I can keep my house cold and my pool warm with abandon.

    We have decided to get solar too. ground mount since we don't have that much southerly facing roofline. 48 panels will cover 112% of our usage. Our county has some of the better (and now I'm drawing a blank!) banking of electricity...ugh what is that called?! hah

    Should be getting it installed in a couple of weeks. Can't wait
    We had planned to build extra horse shades and put solar panels on them, however, the extra cost for building code requirements were extremely high.  I could build a decent barn for the extra cost.

    We decided to go on the roof (patio roof, so not above living space).  Based on buybacks, we are only putting in enough for 85% of our annual usage.  If I lived a mile in either east I would put in 120% and be happy as a clam.  Instead my utility credits $0.037 per kilowatt in "avoided cost" for the month and no roll-over to next month.  Sunshine capital of the US and one of the worst solar policies for consumers.

    Behold the power of oligarchies/monopolies!
    Gotta love the "power" of free markets. B)


    Isn’t the free market allowing Ozzie to go solar?

    Are you familiar with what has been going on in Arizona regarding customers installing solar power and the lobbying efforts of monopoly electric utilities (SRP in particular) over the last few years?

    You really believe it is the "free market" that allows one to add solar panels to a house connected to the grid?
    Nope. I think there is a lot of solar scamming going on too though.  Our power bill averages less than a Hundo a month so if I’m going to start complaining it will be about the tens thousands of dollars I pay in various insurances I never use and the $125 it
    cost to get 3/4 tank of fuel in my truck.

    the constant solar spam calls are a dead giveaway. try heating with propane heat. keeping my 1000 sqft house at 55 degrees averaged 250 per week this winter. not a real cold winter, but windy. even though we are getting hit with the price per kwhs, i manage to not use much anyways, i would freak if it ever hit 100 bucks and im sure it will soon

      I haven't done a ton of research but there is a slick guy on tv here that screams at you and that is a red flag for me.  I know a guy who had  panels installed and I did quick math that had him breaking even in 30 years, smh. He was reluctant to tell me about it.  Finally, if you finance them they will take your house as collateral and that would add hoops to jump through for selling or refi

    alaskanassasin said:
    fishlessman said:
    alaskanassasin said:
    HeavyG said:
    alaskanassasin said:
    HeavyG said:
    Ozzie_Isaac said:
    JohnfromKentucky said:
    Ozzie_Isaac said:
    Decided to save the environment.  Buying a solar system for the house.  Now I can keep my house cold and my pool warm with abandon.

    We have decided to get solar too. ground mount since we don't have that much southerly facing roofline. 48 panels will cover 112% of our usage. Our county has some of the better (and now I'm drawing a blank!) banking of electricity...ugh what is that called?! hah

    Should be getting it installed in a couple of weeks. Can't wait
    We had planned to build extra horse shades and put solar panels on them, however, the extra cost for building code requirements were extremely high.  I could build a decent barn for the extra cost.

    We decided to go on the roof (patio roof, so not above living space).  Based on buybacks, we are only putting in enough for 85% of our annual usage.  If I lived a mile in either east I would put in 120% and be happy as a clam.  Instead my utility credits $0.037 per kilowatt in "avoided cost" for the month and no roll-over to next month.  Sunshine capital of the US and one of the worst solar policies for consumers.

    Behold the power of oligarchies/monopolies!
    Gotta love the "power" of free markets. B)


    Isn’t the free market allowing Ozzie to go solar?

    Are you familiar with what has been going on in Arizona regarding customers installing solar power and the lobbying efforts of monopoly electric utilities (SRP in particular) over the last few years?

    You really believe it is the "free market" that allows one to add solar panels to a house connected to the grid?
    Nope. I think there is a lot of solar scamming going on too though.  Our power bill averages less than a Hundo a month so if I’m going to start complaining it will be about the tens thousands of dollars I pay in various insurances I never use and the $125 it
    cost to get 3/4 tank of fuel in my truck.

    the constant solar spam calls are a dead giveaway. try heating with propane heat. keeping my 1000 sqft house at 55 degrees averaged 250 per week this winter. not a real cold winter, but windy. even though we are getting hit with the price per kwhs, i manage to not use much anyways, i would freak if it ever hit 100 bucks and im sure it will soon

      I haven't done a ton of research but there is a slick guy on tv here that screams at you and that is a red flag for me.  I know a guy who had  panels installed and I did quick math that had him breaking even in 30 years, smh. He was reluctant to tell me about it.  Finally, if you finance them they will take your house as collateral and that would add hoops to jump through for selling or refi

    you cant see my house or camp from an aerial view, covered with trees. add that they are both in a conservation area being too close to water. i can not even cut down a dead tree over 4 inches in diameter without state approval and they watch for that from satelite cross referencing pics every other year. the fine seems to start around 20k and up and is attached to the property if you dont pay up asap
    fukahwee maine

    you can lead a fish to water but you can not make him drink it
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  • alaskanassasin
    alaskanassasin Posts: 8,886
    @Ozzie_Isaac Check out Dual fuel heat pump if you haven't already. It runs electricity until demand exceeds and then it switches to propane. I wish I would have got something like that.
    South of Columbus, Ohio.


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  • alaskanassasin
    alaskanassasin Posts: 8,886
    fishlessman said:
    alaskanassasin said:
    fishlessman said:
    alaskanassasin said:
    HeavyG said:
    alaskanassasin said:
    HeavyG said:
    Ozzie_Isaac said:
    JohnfromKentucky said:
    Ozzie_Isaac said:
    Decided to save the environment.  Buying a solar system for the house.  Now I can keep my house cold and my pool warm with abandon.

    We have decided to get solar too. ground mount since we don't have that much southerly facing roofline. 48 panels will cover 112% of our usage. Our county has some of the better (and now I'm drawing a blank!) banking of electricity...ugh what is that called?! hah

    Should be getting it installed in a couple of weeks. Can't wait
    We had planned to build extra horse shades and put solar panels on them, however, the extra cost for building code requirements were extremely high.  I could build a decent barn for the extra cost.

    We decided to go on the roof (patio roof, so not above living space).  Based on buybacks, we are only putting in enough for 85% of our annual usage.  If I lived a mile in either east I would put in 120% and be happy as a clam.  Instead my utility credits $0.037 per kilowatt in "avoided cost" for the month and no roll-over to next month.  Sunshine capital of the US and one of the worst solar policies for consumers.

    Behold the power of oligarchies/monopolies!
    Gotta love the "power" of free markets. B)


    Isn’t the free market allowing Ozzie to go solar?

    Are you familiar with what has been going on in Arizona regarding customers installing solar power and the lobbying efforts of monopoly electric utilities (SRP in particular) over the last few years?

    You really believe it is the "free market" that allows one to add solar panels to a house connected to the grid?
    Nope. I think there is a lot of solar scamming going on too though.  Our power bill averages less than a Hundo a month so if I’m going to start complaining it will be about the tens thousands of dollars I pay in various insurances I never use and the $125 it
    cost to get 3/4 tank of fuel in my truck.

    the constant solar spam calls are a dead giveaway. try heating with propane heat. keeping my 1000 sqft house at 55 degrees averaged 250 per week this winter. not a real cold winter, but windy. even though we are getting hit with the price per kwhs, i manage to not use much anyways, i would freak if it ever hit 100 bucks and im sure it will soon

      I haven't done a ton of research but there is a slick guy on tv here that screams at you and that is a red flag for me.  I know a guy who had  panels installed and I did quick math that had him breaking even in 30 years, smh. He was reluctant to tell me about it.  Finally, if you finance them they will take your house as collateral and that would add hoops to jump through for selling or refi

    alaskanassasin said:
    fishlessman said:
    alaskanassasin said:
    HeavyG said:
    alaskanassasin said:
    HeavyG said:
    Ozzie_Isaac said:
    JohnfromKentucky said:
    Ozzie_Isaac said:
    Decided to save the environment.  Buying a solar system for the house.  Now I can keep my house cold and my pool warm with abandon.

    We have decided to get solar too. ground mount since we don't have that much southerly facing roofline. 48 panels will cover 112% of our usage. Our county has some of the better (and now I'm drawing a blank!) banking of electricity...ugh what is that called?! hah

    Should be getting it installed in a couple of weeks. Can't wait
    We had planned to build extra horse shades and put solar panels on them, however, the extra cost for building code requirements were extremely high.  I could build a decent barn for the extra cost.

    We decided to go on the roof (patio roof, so not above living space).  Based on buybacks, we are only putting in enough for 85% of our annual usage.  If I lived a mile in either east I would put in 120% and be happy as a clam.  Instead my utility credits $0.037 per kilowatt in "avoided cost" for the month and no roll-over to next month.  Sunshine capital of the US and one of the worst solar policies for consumers.

    Behold the power of oligarchies/monopolies!
    Gotta love the "power" of free markets. B)


    Isn’t the free market allowing Ozzie to go solar?

    Are you familiar with what has been going on in Arizona regarding customers installing solar power and the lobbying efforts of monopoly electric utilities (SRP in particular) over the last few years?

    You really believe it is the "free market" that allows one to add solar panels to a house connected to the grid?
    Nope. I think there is a lot of solar scamming going on too though.  Our power bill averages less than a Hundo a month so if I’m going to start complaining it will be about the tens thousands of dollars I pay in various insurances I never use and the $125 it
    cost to get 3/4 tank of fuel in my truck.

    the constant solar spam calls are a dead giveaway. try heating with propane heat. keeping my 1000 sqft house at 55 degrees averaged 250 per week this winter. not a real cold winter, but windy. even though we are getting hit with the price per kwhs, i manage to not use much anyways, i would freak if it ever hit 100 bucks and im sure it will soon

      I haven't done a ton of research but there is a slick guy on tv here that screams at you and that is a red flag for me.  I know a guy who had  panels installed and I did quick math that had him breaking even in 30 years, smh. He was reluctant to tell me about it.  Finally, if you finance them they will take your house as collateral and that would add hoops to jump through for selling or refi

    you cant see my house or camp from an aerial view, covered with trees. add that they are both in a conservation area being too close to water. i can not even cut down a dead tree over 4 inches in diameter without state approval and they watch for that from satelite cross referencing pics every other year. the fine seems to start around 20k and up and is attached to the property if you dont pay up asap

     Why would you live there?
    South of Columbus, Ohio.


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  • Ozzie_Isaac
    Ozzie_Isaac Posts: 21,627
    alaskanassasin said:
    @Ozzie_Isaac Check out Dual fuel heat pump if you haven't already. It runs electricity until demand exceeds and then it switches to propane. I wish I would have got something like that.
    That sounds perfect, I will definitely look into it.  Thank you.

    I would rather light a candle than curse your darkness.

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  • JohnfromKentucky
    JohnfromKentucky Posts: 460
    alaskanassasin said:
    Our goal is to be more energy efficient via insulation, windows, doors, siding etc.
    That's what I was aiming for too, but the rates have went up along with the other charges that are on the bill, so the $1500 I spent to have 10" of insulation blown into the attic saved me some but I needed more options. House is only 16 years old and brick, so it's pretty buttoned up
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  • nolaegghead
    nolaegghead Posts: 42,109
    Ozzie_Isaac said:
    alaskanassasin said:
    fishlessman said:
    alaskanassasin said:
    HeavyG said:
    alaskanassasin said:
    HeavyG said:
    Ozzie_Isaac said:
    JohnfromKentucky said:
    Ozzie_Isaac said:
    Decided to save the environment.  Buying a solar system for the house.  Now I can keep my house cold and my pool warm with abandon.

    We have decided to get solar too. ground mount since we don't have that much southerly facing roofline. 48 panels will cover 112% of our usage. Our county has some of the better (and now I'm drawing a blank!) banking of electricity...ugh what is that called?! hah

    Should be getting it installed in a couple of weeks. Can't wait
    We had planned to build extra horse shades and put solar panels on them, however, the extra cost for building code requirements were extremely high.  I could build a decent barn for the extra cost.

    We decided to go on the roof (patio roof, so not above living space).  Based on buybacks, we are only putting in enough for 85% of our annual usage.  If I lived a mile in either east I would put in 120% and be happy as a clam.  Instead my utility credits $0.037 per kilowatt in "avoided cost" for the month and no roll-over to next month.  Sunshine capital of the US and one of the worst solar policies for consumers.

    Behold the power of oligarchies/monopolies!
    Gotta love the "power" of free markets. B)


    Isn’t the free market allowing Ozzie to go solar?

    Are you familiar with what has been going on in Arizona regarding customers installing solar power and the lobbying efforts of monopoly electric utilities (SRP in particular) over the last few years?

    You really believe it is the "free market" that allows one to add solar panels to a house connected to the grid?
    Nope. I think there is a lot of solar scamming going on too though.  Our power bill averages less than a Hundo a month so if I’m going to start complaining it will be about the tens thousands of dollars I pay in various insurances I never use and the $125 it
    cost to get 3/4 tank of fuel in my truck.

    the constant solar spam calls are a dead giveaway. try heating with propane heat. keeping my 1000 sqft house at 55 degrees averaged 250 per week this winter. not a real cold winter, but windy. even though we are getting hit with the price per kwhs, i manage to not use much anyways, i would freak if it ever hit 100 bucks and im sure it will soon

      I haven't done a ton of research but there is a slick guy on tv here that screams at you and that is a red flag for me.  I know a guy who had them panels installed and I did quick math that had him breaking even in 30 years, smh. He was reluctant to tell me about it.  Finally, if you finance them they will take your house as collateral and that would add hoops to jump through for selling or refi
    The overall value prop is impacted by a lot of factors, including the rapid price drops in equipment, government subsidies (26% - 2022, 23% - 2023, 0% - 2024), and future utility rate and buyback changes.

    I ran the numbers and payback is probably around 10 years conservatively.  If I waited a few years with price drops, etc it would probably get even better. (My payback is so slow because of stupid utility company, and I am not factoring in propane savings because converting to electric heat will be pricey).

    In the end, I am treating it more like a luxury.  I want it, so I am getting it.  Maybe it works out, maybe it doesn't.
    It is actually pretty easy to add electric heat to your AC ducting and you can have a dual "fuel" system.  The heater element section (maybe $300 bucks) would graft into the section by the evaporator and the most expensive part of the install would be labor and running the electric (you need heavy gauge wire).

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  • Gulfcoastguy
    Gulfcoastguy Posts: 7,317
    An entire store of hotness at the Gulfport outlet mall. I bought Five Pepper Rub( made in Sevierville TN) and Corn and Black Bean salsa.
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  • tomtnc
    tomtnc Posts: 25
    @fishlessman living the way you want to is refreshing. It’s what makes us all unique and being closer to nature is an absolute bliss most people will never experience. We used to live on a lake that did not respect the zoning restrictions you noted, so we moved off the water to a more dense area, big box homes, wide open forest harvesting, etc and it’s not the same!!  Good to know there still is some sanity in local communities that want to preserve some of the old stuff. Congrats!!
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  • nolaegghead
    nolaegghead Posts: 42,109
    Today only
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  • Eoin
    Eoin Posts: 4,304
    Ozzie_Isaac said:
    alaskanassasin said:
    fishlessman said:
    alaskanassasin said:
    HeavyG said:
    alaskanassasin said:
    HeavyG said:
    Ozzie_Isaac said:
    JohnfromKentucky said:
    Ozzie_Isaac said:
    Decided to save the environment.  Buying a solar system for the house.  Now I can keep my house cold and my pool warm with abandon.

    We have decided to get solar too. ground mount since we don't have that much southerly facing roofline. 48 panels will cover 112% of our usage. Our county has some of the better (and now I'm drawing a blank!) banking of electricity...ugh what is that called?! hah

    Should be getting it installed in a couple of weeks. Can't wait
    We had planned to build extra horse shades and put solar panels on them, however, the extra cost for building code requirements were extremely high.  I could build a decent barn for the extra cost.

    We decided to go on the roof (patio roof, so not above living space).  Based on buybacks, we are only putting in enough for 85% of our annual usage.  If I lived a mile in either east I would put in 120% and be happy as a clam.  Instead my utility credits $0.037 per kilowatt in "avoided cost" for the month and no roll-over to next month.  Sunshine capital of the US and one of the worst solar policies for consumers.

    Behold the power of oligarchies/monopolies!
    Gotta love the "power" of free markets. B)


    Isn’t the free market allowing Ozzie to go solar?

    Are you familiar with what has been going on in Arizona regarding customers installing solar power and the lobbying efforts of monopoly electric utilities (SRP in particular) over the last few years?

    You really believe it is the "free market" that allows one to add solar panels to a house connected to the grid?
    Nope. I think there is a lot of solar scamming going on too though.  Our power bill averages less than a Hundo a month so if I’m going to start complaining it will be about the tens thousands of dollars I pay in various insurances I never use and the $125 it
    cost to get 3/4 tank of fuel in my truck.

    the constant solar spam calls are a dead giveaway. try heating with propane heat. keeping my 1000 sqft house at 55 degrees averaged 250 per week this winter. not a real cold winter, but windy. even though we are getting hit with the price per kwhs, i manage to not use much anyways, i would freak if it ever hit 100 bucks and im sure it will soon

      I haven't done a ton of research but there is a slick guy on tv here that screams at you and that is a red flag for me.  I know a guy who had them panels installed and I did quick math that had him breaking even in 30 years, smh. He was reluctant to tell me about it.  Finally, if you finance them they will take your house as collateral and that would add hoops to jump through for selling or refi
    The overall value prop is impacted by a lot of factors, including the rapid price drops in equipment, government subsidies (26% - 2022, 23% - 2023, 0% - 2024), and future utility rate and buyback changes.

    I ran the numbers and payback is probably around 10 years conservatively.  If I waited a few years with price drops, etc it would probably get even better. (My payback is so slow because of stupid utility company, and I am not factoring in propane savings because converting to electric heat will be pricey).

    In the end, I am treating it more like a luxury.  I want it, so I am getting it.  Maybe it works out, maybe it doesn't.
    What is your system costing and what is the kWh cost of electricity. 10 years seems like a long time, but maybe your electricity is cheaper than here.
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    Ozzie_Isaac Posts: 21,627
    Eoin said:
    Ozzie_Isaac said:
    alaskanassasin said:
    fishlessman said:
    alaskanassasin said:
    HeavyG said:
    alaskanassasin said:
    HeavyG said:
    Ozzie_Isaac said:
    JohnfromKentucky said:
    Ozzie_Isaac said:
    Decided to save the environment.  Buying a solar system for the house.  Now I can keep my house cold and my pool warm with abandon.

    We have decided to get solar too. ground mount since we don't have that much southerly facing roofline. 48 panels will cover 112% of our usage. Our county has some of the better (and now I'm drawing a blank!) banking of electricity...ugh what is that called?! hah

    Should be getting it installed in a couple of weeks. Can't wait
    We had planned to build extra horse shades and put solar panels on them, however, the extra cost for building code requirements were extremely high.  I could build a decent barn for the extra cost.

    We decided to go on the roof (patio roof, so not above living space).  Based on buybacks, we are only putting in enough for 85% of our annual usage.  If I lived a mile in either east I would put in 120% and be happy as a clam.  Instead my utility credits $0.037 per kilowatt in "avoided cost" for the month and no roll-over to next month.  Sunshine capital of the US and one of the worst solar policies for consumers.

    Behold the power of oligarchies/monopolies!
    Gotta love the "power" of free markets. B)


    Isn’t the free market allowing Ozzie to go solar?

    Are you familiar with what has been going on in Arizona regarding customers installing solar power and the lobbying efforts of monopoly electric utilities (SRP in particular) over the last few years?

    You really believe it is the "free market" that allows one to add solar panels to a house connected to the grid?
    Nope. I think there is a lot of solar scamming going on too though.  Our power bill averages less than a Hundo a month so if I’m going to start complaining it will be about the tens thousands of dollars I pay in various insurances I never use and the $125 it
    cost to get 3/4 tank of fuel in my truck.

    the constant solar spam calls are a dead giveaway. try heating with propane heat. keeping my 1000 sqft house at 55 degrees averaged 250 per week this winter. not a real cold winter, but windy. even though we are getting hit with the price per kwhs, i manage to not use much anyways, i would freak if it ever hit 100 bucks and im sure it will soon

      I haven't done a ton of research but there is a slick guy on tv here that screams at you and that is a red flag for me.  I know a guy who had them panels installed and I did quick math that had him breaking even in 30 years, smh. He was reluctant to tell me about it.  Finally, if you finance them they will take your house as collateral and that would add hoops to jump through for selling or refi
    The overall value prop is impacted by a lot of factors, including the rapid price drops in equipment, government subsidies (26% - 2022, 23% - 2023, 0% - 2024), and future utility rate and buyback changes.

    I ran the numbers and payback is probably around 10 years conservatively.  If I waited a few years with price drops, etc it would probably get even better. (My payback is so slow because of stupid utility company, and I am not factoring in propane savings because converting to electric heat will be pricey).

    In the end, I am treating it more like a luxury.  I want it, so I am getting it.  Maybe it works out, maybe it doesn't.
    What is your system costing and what is the kWh cost of electricity. 10 years seems like a long time, but maybe your electricity is cheaper than here.
    9.6kW, payback is hampered by utility company purchasing my excess power at $0.02/kWh and selling it back to me at $0.14/kWh.  The other power company buys excess power at $0.095/kWh.

    I would rather light a candle than curse your darkness.

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    Legume Posts: 15,936
    Throw some batteries in there and you won’t have to buy as much.
    THANK YOU FOR YOUR ATTENTION TO THIS MATTER
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    Ozzie_Isaac Posts: 21,627
    Legume said:
    Throw some batteries in there and you won’t have to buy as much.
    Long term plan.  ROI on batteries is not great right now.  Ultimately this is a luxury (emotional) purchase, but batteries pushed it too far for me.  I would love to be completely independent, but the PowerWall type items just are not there yet.

    I would rather light a candle than curse your darkness.

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    Legume Posts: 15,936
    Ozzie_Isaac said:
    Legume said:
    Throw some batteries in there and you won’t have to buy as much.
    Long term plan.  ROI on batteries is not great right now.  Ultimately this is a luxury (emotional) purchase, but batteries pushed it too far for me.  I would love to be completely independent, but the PowerWall type items just are not there yet.
    Powerwalls are cheaper if you get solar from Tesla, they design it in. Any other solar vendor and it’s $10k each.  I have a friend that put in a Tesla system with two powerwalls and he loves it.  I got a bid from them and I like the design of a local vendor better.  Haven’t pulled the trigger yet, but soon and I’m not going to add a battery at this point.
    THANK YOU FOR YOUR ATTENTION TO THIS MATTER
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  • Eoin
    Eoin Posts: 4,304
    Ozzie_Isaac said:
    Eoin said:
    Ozzie_Isaac said:
    alaskanassasin said:
    fishlessman said:
    alaskanassasin said:
    HeavyG said:
    alaskanassasin said:
    HeavyG said:
    Ozzie_Isaac said:
    JohnfromKentucky said:
    Ozzie_Isaac said:
    Decided to save the environment.  Buying a solar system for the house.  Now I can keep my house cold and my pool warm with abandon.

    We have decided to get solar too. ground mount since we don't have that much southerly facing roofline. 48 panels will cover 112% of our usage. Our county has some of the better (and now I'm drawing a blank!) banking of electricity...ugh what is that called?! hah

    Should be getting it installed in a couple of weeks. Can't wait
    We had planned to build extra horse shades and put solar panels on them, however, the extra cost for building code requirements were extremely high.  I could build a decent barn for the extra cost.

    We decided to go on the roof (patio roof, so not above living space).  Based on buybacks, we are only putting in enough for 85% of our annual usage.  If I lived a mile in either east I would put in 120% and be happy as a clam.  Instead my utility credits $0.037 per kilowatt in "avoided cost" for the month and no roll-over to next month.  Sunshine capital of the US and one of the worst solar policies for consumers.

    Behold the power of oligarchies/monopolies!
    Gotta love the "power" of free markets. B)


    Isn’t the free market allowing Ozzie to go solar?

    Are you familiar with what has been going on in Arizona regarding customers installing solar power and the lobbying efforts of monopoly electric utilities (SRP in particular) over the last few years?

    You really believe it is the "free market" that allows one to add solar panels to a house connected to the grid?
    Nope. I think there is a lot of solar scamming going on too though.  Our power bill averages less than a Hundo a month so if I’m going to start complaining it will be about the tens thousands of dollars I pay in various insurances I never use and the $125 it
    cost to get 3/4 tank of fuel in my truck.

    the constant solar spam calls are a dead giveaway. try heating with propane heat. keeping my 1000 sqft house at 55 degrees averaged 250 per week this winter. not a real cold winter, but windy. even though we are getting hit with the price per kwhs, i manage to not use much anyways, i would freak if it ever hit 100 bucks and im sure it will soon

      I haven't done a ton of research but there is a slick guy on tv here that screams at you and that is a red flag for me.  I know a guy who had them panels installed and I did quick math that had him breaking even in 30 years, smh. He was reluctant to tell me about it.  Finally, if you finance them they will take your house as collateral and that would add hoops to jump through for selling or refi
    The overall value prop is impacted by a lot of factors, including the rapid price drops in equipment, government subsidies (26% - 2022, 23% - 2023, 0% - 2024), and future utility rate and buyback changes.

    I ran the numbers and payback is probably around 10 years conservatively.  If I waited a few years with price drops, etc it would probably get even better. (My payback is so slow because of stupid utility company, and I am not factoring in propane savings because converting to electric heat will be pricey).

    In the end, I am treating it more like a luxury.  I want it, so I am getting it.  Maybe it works out, maybe it doesn't.
    What is your system costing and what is the kWh cost of electricity. 10 years seems like a long time, but maybe your electricity is cheaper than here.
    9.6kW, payback is hampered by utility company purchasing my excess power at $0.02/kWh and selling it back to me at $0.14/kWh.  The other power company buys excess power at $0.095/kWh.
    I pay £0.25 and they pay me £0.055. Poor ratio here too.
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  • Eoin
    Eoin Posts: 4,304
    Legume said:
    Ozzie_Isaac said:
    Legume said:
    Throw some batteries in there and you won’t have to buy as much.
    Long term plan.  ROI on batteries is not great right now.  Ultimately this is a luxury (emotional) purchase, but batteries pushed it too far for me.  I would love to be completely independent, but the PowerWall type items just are not there yet.
    Powerwalls are cheaper if you get solar from Tesla, they design it in. Any other solar vendor and it’s $10k each.  I have a friend that put in a Tesla system with two powerwalls and he loves it.  I got a bid from them and I like the design of a local vendor better.  Haven’t pulled the trigger yet, but soon and I’m not going to add a battery at this point.
    Doing some simple maths here in the UK, the kWh storage price is cheaper to buy a long range M3 than it is to buy the equivalent kWh of Powerwall.
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    Gulfcoastguy Posts: 7,317
    Eoin said:
    Legume said:
    Ozzie_Isaac said:
    Legume said:
    Throw some batteries in there and you won’t have to buy as much.
    Long term plan.  ROI on batteries is not great right now.  Ultimately this is a luxury (emotional) purchase, but batteries pushed it too far for me.  I would love to be completely independent, but the PowerWall type items just are not there yet.
    Powerwalls are cheaper if you get solar from Tesla, they design it in. Any other solar vendor and it’s $10k each.  I have a friend that put in a Tesla system with two powerwalls and he loves it.  I got a bid from them and I like the design of a local vendor better.  Haven’t pulled the trigger yet, but soon and I’m not going to add a battery at this point.
    Doing some simple maths here in the UK, the kWh storage price is cheaper to buy a long range M3 than it is to buy the equivalent kWh of Powerwall.
    The EV6 can serve as a battery backup for the house. Any EV can use up "extra" solar panel electricity and probably give a better return than selling electricity to a utility.
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    Gulfcoastguy Posts: 7,317
    Bezo’s Boys just delivered a liter bottle of Maggi, the German variety. Thankfully the the inner air cushion packaging was nice and thick because the cardboard looked like Samsonites gorilla had a personal axe to grind with it.
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    Langner91 Posts: 2,120
    Gulfcoastguy said:
    Bezo’s Boys just delivered a liter bottle of Maggi, the German variety. Thankfully the the inner air cushion packaging was nice and thick because the cardboard looked like Samsonites gorilla had a personal axe to grind with it.
    He got a hold of my last package of vintage glassware.




    Clinton, Iowa
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  • Ozzie_Isaac
    Ozzie_Isaac Posts: 21,627
    Langner91 said:
    Gulfcoastguy said:
    Bezo’s Boys just delivered a liter bottle of Maggi, the German variety. Thankfully the the inner air cushion packaging was nice and thick because the cardboard looked like Samsonites gorilla had a personal axe to grind with it.
    He got a hold of my last package of vintage glassware.




    Wow!  Not even close to making it.  That is a bummer.  Especially since it is no longer in production.

    I would rather light a candle than curse your darkness.

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