OT - For Car Lovers: Some Recent Exotic Spottings

Botch said:

alaskanassasin said:
I wonder what the plan is for the millions of toxic, volatile, flammable, 1,000LB batteries.

A modified plan from what we already do with ICE batteries: trade them in when we buy new, recycle.  

 Sounds good, these batteries are a whole different beast than current car batteries though. Not only are they a 1,000 but they are also dangerous can explode if not handled correctly.  It is currently cheaper to mine the materials to make lipos than it is to make new ones.

JohnInCarolina said:

alaskanassasin said:

TEXASBGE2018 said:

I think based on the people I see living out here around me,the folks buying lambos aren't using them for a daily driver. It's a second, third, or fourth "fun" car. The person buying a hybrid Lambo probably already has a Tesla or 2 in their garage so this just fits with that lifestyle. Plus I think this is their way of pleasing the purists while moving their technology forward.

A day will come likely in the next 15-20 years where we all look back and reminisce  and question a time when we had to use fossil fuels to power our vehicles. Even the purists will come around and see that these electric vehicles are just better all around. I anxiously await the day when their reliability and longevity and cost is on par with ICE vehicles. I think we are about 5-10 years away from that.

  Considering 60% of our power plants are running on fossil fuel it may take a bit longer than 15-20 years. Also for the most part you can take a detonated car to the scrap yard and melt it down to be reused. I wonder what the plan is for the millions of toxic, volatile, flammable, 1,000LB batteries. I have played with Lipo batteries a bit and they can explode when damaged. Just saying ev is not a silver bullet.

The dirty secret of EVs is that the area power plant supplying power to your house need not be one using renewable energy.  EVs just trade the local use of fossil fuels in the engine for a non local one at a power plant, in many areas of the country.

But I don’t think @TEXASBGE2018 was suggesting they were a cure for global warming so much as simply a better product.

For the sake of argument, simply a better product how?

alaskanassasin said:

JohnInCarolina said:

alaskanassasin said:

TEXASBGE2018 said:

I think based on the people I see living out here around me,the folks buying lambos aren't using them for a daily driver. It's a second, third, or fourth "fun" car. The person buying a hybrid Lambo probably already has a Tesla or 2 in their garage so this just fits with that lifestyle. Plus I think this is their way of pleasing the purists while moving their technology forward.

A day will come likely in the next 15-20 years where we all look back and reminisce  and question a time when we had to use fossil fuels to power our vehicles. Even the purists will come around and see that these electric vehicles are just better all around. I anxiously await the day when their reliability and longevity and cost is on par with ICE vehicles. I think we are about 5-10 years away from that.

  Considering 60% of our power plants are running on fossil fuel it may take a bit longer than 15-20 years. Also for the most part you can take a detonated car to the scrap yard and melt it down to be reused. I wonder what the plan is for the millions of toxic, volatile, flammable, 1,000LB batteries. I have played with Lipo batteries a bit and they can explode when damaged. Just saying ev is not a silver bullet.

The dirty secret of EVs is that the area power plant supplying power to your house need not be one using renewable energy.  EVs just trade the local use of fossil fuels in the engine for a non local one at a power plant, in many areas of the country.

But I don’t think @TEXASBGE2018 was suggesting they were a cure for global warming so much as simply a better product.

For the sake of argument, simply a better product how?

Far fewer moving parts, for starters.  

alaskanassasin said:

JohnInCarolina said:

alaskanassasin said:

JohnInCarolina said:

alaskanassasin said:

TEXASBGE2018 said:

I think based on the people I see living out here around me,the folks buying lambos aren't using them for a daily driver. It's a second, third, or fourth "fun" car. The person buying a hybrid Lambo probably already has a Tesla or 2 in their garage so this just fits with that lifestyle. Plus I think this is their way of pleasing the purists while moving their technology forward.

A day will come likely in the next 15-20 years where we all look back and reminisce  and question a time when we had to use fossil fuels to power our vehicles. Even the purists will come around and see that these electric vehicles are just better all around. I anxiously await the day when their reliability and longevity and cost is on par with ICE vehicles. I think we are about 5-10 years away from that.

  Considering 60% of our power plants are running on fossil fuel it may take a bit longer than 15-20 years. Also for the most part you can take a detonated car to the scrap yard and melt it down to be reused. I wonder what the plan is for the millions of toxic, volatile, flammable, 1,000LB batteries. I have played with Lipo batteries a bit and they can explode when damaged. Just saying ev is not a silver bullet.

The dirty secret of EVs is that the area power plant supplying power to your house need not be one using renewable energy.  EVs just trade the local use of fossil fuels in the engine for a non local one at a power plant, in many areas of the country.

But I don’t think @TEXASBGE2018 was suggesting they were a cure for global warming so much as simply a better product.

For the sake of argument, simply a better product how?

Far fewer moving parts, for starters.  

Not sure that makes it better. I know the potential is there and ev is where we are currently heading but for now and the foreseeable future they have to make up some ground to be better than a internal combustion. Which frankly makes sense, Ice has had a 100 year head start.

I suppose I would ask: what does "better" mean to you?  Is it better reliability long term?  Better efficiency?  Better performance characteristics?  Because on almost any of those metrics right now, electric motors outperform ICEs.  

There's a reason that almost every major automotive manufacturer is moving in that direction.   

lousubcap said:

What happened to posting photos of exotic cars??  

I would be lying if I said I didn't see this post coming.

alaskanassasin said:

JohnInCarolina said:

alaskanassasin said:

JohnInCarolina said:

alaskanassasin said:

JohnInCarolina said:

alaskanassasin said:

TEXASBGE2018 said:

I think based on the people I see living out here around me,the folks buying lambos aren't using them for a daily driver. It's a second, third, or fourth "fun" car. The person buying a hybrid Lambo probably already has a Tesla or 2 in their garage so this just fits with that lifestyle. Plus I think this is their way of pleasing the purists while moving their technology forward.

A day will come likely in the next 15-20 years where we all look back and reminisce  and question a time when we had to use fossil fuels to power our vehicles. Even the purists will come around and see that these electric vehicles are just better all around. I anxiously await the day when their reliability and longevity and cost is on par with ICE vehicles. I think we are about 5-10 years away from that.

  Considering 60% of our power plants are running on fossil fuel it may take a bit longer than 15-20 years. Also for the most part you can take a detonated car to the scrap yard and melt it down to be reused. I wonder what the plan is for the millions of toxic, volatile, flammable, 1,000LB batteries. I have played with Lipo batteries a bit and they can explode when damaged. Just saying ev is not a silver bullet.

The dirty secret of EVs is that the area power plant supplying power to your house need not be one using renewable energy.  EVs just trade the local use of fossil fuels in the engine for a non local one at a power plant, in many areas of the country.

But I don’t think @TEXASBGE2018 was suggesting they were a cure for global warming so much as simply a better product.

For the sake of argument, simply a better product how?

Far fewer moving parts, for starters.  

Not sure that makes it better. I know the potential is there and ev is where we are currently heading but for now and the foreseeable future they have to make up some ground to be better than a internal combustion. Which frankly makes sense, Ice has had a 100 year head start.

I suppose I would ask: what does "better" mean to you?  Is it better reliability long term?  Better efficiency?  Better performance characteristics?  Because on almost any of those metrics right now, electric motors outperform ICEs.  

There's a reason that almost every major automotive manufacturer is moving in that direction.   

 Roger that, you said they were better. It is hard to argue that EV is "better" when we have a limited data to go on, after all there are more vehicles on the road than 2 door sports cars, such as trucks, vans, semis. Is it more efficient when you are still powered by fossil fuels? Extra load on the grid as well, do we have grid problems now Texas, California? Mining and recycling batteries.

   I am guessing every major automotive manufacturer is more or less being forced into EV whether through consumer demand or government regulation. I bet they don't get out of bed every morning and think "dang lets reinvent the automobile, and retool our factories."

 Carry on looking photos of awesome cars, sorry for the derail, I just enjoy a conversation with an intellectual, plus the internet gives me adequate time to respond ;-)

This is the last thing I'll say on this topic so as to not offend the delicate sensibilities of the thread police.  I don't think it's all that difficult to argue they're better in many respects.  Here's a piece that's a couple years old that articulates some of the advantages:

https://theconversation.com/heres-why-electric-cars-have-plenty-of-grunt-oomph-and-torque-115356

I'm not listing it here because it's from any authority on the topic, but rather because it's clear and easy to read.  Happy to move the conversation elsewhere (maybe to the OT subforum) if there's interest.  

Langner91 said:

fishlessman said:

came up on a car with the license plate KWATT.... pulled up on the side to a good looking blonde.......so how big of a battery is that

Must be less than 1,000,000 KWATT, because that would make it a Terra Watt.  I doubt the DMV would have approved her plate.

someone had copslie on a plate up here for a while, when the state tried o take it away, a judge stepped in. my first thought was electrician, but no way

JohnInCarolina said:

alaskanassasin said:

TEXASBGE2018 said:

I think based on the people I see living out here around me,the folks buying lambos aren't using them for a daily driver. It's a second, third, or fourth "fun" car. The person buying a hybrid Lambo probably already has a Tesla or 2 in their garage so this just fits with that lifestyle. Plus I think this is their way of pleasing the purists while moving their technology forward.

A day will come likely in the next 15-20 years where we all look back and reminisce  and question a time when we had to use fossil fuels to power our vehicles. Even the purists will come around and see that these electric vehicles are just better all around. I anxiously await the day when their reliability and longevity and cost is on par with ICE vehicles. I think we are about 5-10 years away from that.

  Considering 60% of our power plants are running on fossil fuel it may take a bit longer than 15-20 years. Also for the most part you can take a detonated car to the scrap yard and melt it down to be reused. I wonder what the plan is for the millions of toxic, volatile, flammable, 1,000LB batteries. I have played with Lipo batteries a bit and they can explode when damaged. Just saying ev is not a silver bullet.

The dirty secret of EVs is that the area power plant supplying power to your house need not be one using renewable energy.  EVs just trade the local use of fossil fuels in the engine for a non local one at a power plant, in many areas of the country.

But I don’t think @TEXASBGE2018 was suggesting they were a cure for global warming so much as simply a better product.

Correct I'm not implying that us going to electric vehicles is gonna save the planet. That's a whole other discussion. I'm saying just from an efficiency, performance, and potentially reliability standpoint they are better. Less parts to wear out, no emissions per se, instant torque, better "fuel economy" what we don't know yet is as you said, how will we dispose of such vehicles but others have already talked about how these things can be accomplished.

I think going to full electric is going to completely change the way we think of vehicles. They will become rolling offices or living rooms while at the same time taking performance to a whole new level. We will get to the point where if your 0-60 is OVER 1.5 seconds you are a dinosaur. 

Environment, shenvironment.  I want vroom vroom and shakety shake.  EV is boring.

alaskanassasin said:

JohnInCarolina said:

alaskanassasin said:

TEXASBGE2018 said:

I think based on the people I see living out here around me,the folks buying lambos aren't using them for a daily driver. It's a second, third, or fourth "fun" car. The person buying a hybrid Lambo probably already has a Tesla or 2 in their garage so this just fits with that lifestyle. Plus I think this is their way of pleasing the purists while moving their technology forward.

A day will come likely in the next 15-20 years where we all look back and reminisce  and question a time when we had to use fossil fuels to power our vehicles. Even the purists will come around and see that these electric vehicles are just better all around. I anxiously await the day when their reliability and longevity and cost is on par with ICE vehicles. I think we are about 5-10 years away from that.

  Considering 60% of our power plants are running on fossil fuel it may take a bit longer than 15-20 years. Also for the most part you can take a detonated car to the scrap yard and melt it down to be reused. I wonder what the plan is for the millions of toxic, volatile, flammable, 1,000LB batteries. I have played with Lipo batteries a bit and they can explode when damaged. Just saying ev is not a silver bullet.

The dirty secret of EVs is that the area power plant supplying power to your house need not be one using renewable energy.  EVs just trade the local use of fossil fuels in the engine for a non local one at a power plant, in many areas of the country.

But I don’t think @TEXASBGE2018 was suggesting they were a cure for global warming so much as simply a better product.

For the sake of argument, simply a better product how?

Much simpler to run and maintain long term. Think of all of the crap that goes wrong on a petrol / diesel car and most of that isn't fitted to an EV. Even braking is mostly by regen, discs and pads should be a lifetime item.

Eoin said:

JohnInCarolina said:

alaskanassasin said:

TEXASBGE2018 said:

I think based on the people I see living out here around me,the folks buying lambos aren't using them for a daily driver. It's a second, third, or fourth "fun" car. The person buying a hybrid Lambo probably already has a Tesla or 2 in their garage so this just fits with that lifestyle. Plus I think this is their way of pleasing the purists while moving their technology forward.

A day will come likely in the next 15-20 years where we all look back and reminisce  and question a time when we had to use fossil fuels to power our vehicles. Even the purists will come around and see that these electric vehicles are just better all around. I anxiously await the day when their reliability and longevity and cost is on par with ICE vehicles. I think we are about 5-10 years away from that.

  Considering 60% of our power plants are running on fossil fuel it may take a bit longer than 15-20 years. Also for the most part you can take a detonated car to the scrap yard and melt it down to be reused. I wonder what the plan is for the millions of toxic, volatile, flammable, 1,000LB batteries. I have played with Lipo batteries a bit and they can explode when damaged. Just saying ev is not a silver bullet.

The dirty secret of EVs is that the area power plant supplying power to your house need not be one using renewable energy.  EVs just trade the local use of fossil fuels in the engine for a non local one at a power plant, in many areas of the country.

But I don’t think @TEXASBGE2018 was suggesting they were a cure for global warming so much as simply a better product.

Partly true, but:
Many EV drivers are enthusiasts / environmentally aware and have their own solar installations to charge their own cars. I'm adding 80kW of solar to our work roof to run the office and charge cars.
Other countries have a much better ratio of renewables to fossil fuel, so the calculation is different.
As generation moves to renewables, you EV will get greener throughout its life span. Different to fossil fuelled vehicles.
Even when powered by fossil fuels, EVs move the pollution away from city centres where traffic / pollution is heaviest.

No argument there.  But there was an analysis that was done several years ago here in the US looking at the environmental impact of EVs, taking into account everything - from the production of the batteries to their daily use.  The conclusion was that it wasn't necessarily a win for the environment in many areas of the US where energy production is still largely produced by coal-fired power plants.

Now, long term, as those plants fade away that will change.  But for now, they're not quite as good for the environment (at least in the US) as many of their fans think they are.  

JohnInCarolina said:

Eoin said:

JohnInCarolina said:

alaskanassasin said:

TEXASBGE2018 said:

I think based on the people I see living out here around me,the folks buying lambos aren't using them for a daily driver. It's a second, third, or fourth "fun" car. The person buying a hybrid Lambo probably already has a Tesla or 2 in their garage so this just fits with that lifestyle. Plus I think this is their way of pleasing the purists while moving their technology forward.

A day will come likely in the next 15-20 years where we all look back and reminisce  and question a time when we had to use fossil fuels to power our vehicles. Even the purists will come around and see that these electric vehicles are just better all around. I anxiously await the day when their reliability and longevity and cost is on par with ICE vehicles. I think we are about 5-10 years away from that.

  Considering 60% of our power plants are running on fossil fuel it may take a bit longer than 15-20 years. Also for the most part you can take a detonated car to the scrap yard and melt it down to be reused. I wonder what the plan is for the millions of toxic, volatile, flammable, 1,000LB batteries. I have played with Lipo batteries a bit and they can explode when damaged. Just saying ev is not a silver bullet.

The dirty secret of EVs is that the area power plant supplying power to your house need not be one using renewable energy.  EVs just trade the local use of fossil fuels in the engine for a non local one at a power plant, in many areas of the country.

But I don’t think @TEXASBGE2018 was suggesting they were a cure for global warming so much as simply a better product.

Partly true, but:
Many EV drivers are enthusiasts / environmentally aware and have their own solar installations to charge their own cars. I'm adding 80kW of solar to our work roof to run the office and charge cars.
Other countries have a much better ratio of renewables to fossil fuel, so the calculation is different.
As generation moves to renewables, you EV will get greener throughout its life span. Different to fossil fuelled vehicles.
Even when powered by fossil fuels, EVs move the pollution away from city centres where traffic / pollution is heaviest.

No argument there.  But there was an analysis that was done several years ago here in the US looking at the environmental impact of EVs, taking into account everything - from the production of the batteries to their daily use.  The conclusion was that it wasn't necessarily a win for the environment in many areas of the US where energy production is still largely produced by coal-fired power plants.

Now, long term, as those plants fade away that will change.  But for now, they're not quite as good for the environment (at least in the US) as many of their fans think they are.