OT - For Car Lovers: Some Recent Exotic Spottings

nolaegghead

fishlessman said:

cant imagine walking ten hours out of the woods to carry back a big battery for my ev truck verses using a tiny lithium jump start pack and im going again when my acid battery fails oh wait, lifted mud trucks dont corner well at highway speeds. i knew i heard that logic before. you dont know how much you want to kill someone that turned the lights on in the truck ten hours out just to read a book......

I switched from paper books to the Kindle Paperwhite.  No more (dome) light needed to read in the dark.  It's waterproof so you can read in the tub or your roof during a flood event.  No more killing annoying friends and family that are those late-night book-reader types. 

Langner91

nolaegghead said:

To get back on topic, here's an old picture of my mid-life crisis (turning 50 and a grandfather in the same month)

That's awesome!  I always liked the Dodge Caravan Billet Silver Metallic.  It was a sharp color!  Good on you!

nolaegghead

Yes, it was a dream since childhood to acquire a Dodge Caravan.  I knew it wasn't practical, driving around a giant cube of carpet and bucket seats, unable to load 4x8 plywood or pick up friends without having to wait for them on the next block.   But I did it. 

JohnInCarolina

Back on topic:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=83Rs2J4Wt6s

lousubcap

Clearly ev drivers are much more skilled as I did not see any evs in @JohnInCarolina's above video.  

dbCooper

An oldie but a goodie, respect the elderly...

https://youtu.be/UjcoRFcmQuo

Botch

Ozzie_Isaac said:

Environment, shenvironment.  I want vroom vroom and shakety shake.  EV is boring.

A Tesla can make fart noises under any of the seats.  You can't beat that.  
 

 

alaskanassasin

JohnInCarolina said:

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alaskanassasin said:

TEXASBGE2018 said:

I think based on the people I see living out here around me,the folks buying lambos aren't using them for a daily driver. It's a second, third, or fourth "fun" car. The person buying a hybrid Lambo probably already has a Tesla or 2 in their garage so this just fits with that lifestyle. Plus I think this is their way of pleasing the purists while moving their technology forward.

A day will come likely in the next 15-20 years where we all look back and reminisce  and question a time when we had to use fossil fuels to power our vehicles. Even the purists will come around and see that these electric vehicles are just better all around. I anxiously await the day when their reliability and longevity and cost is on par with ICE vehicles. I think we are about 5-10 years away from that.

  Considering 60% of our power plants are running on fossil fuel it may take a bit longer than 15-20 years. Also for the most part you can take a detonated car to the scrap yard and melt it down to be reused. I wonder what the plan is for the millions of toxic, volatile, flammable, 1,000LB batteries. I have played with Lipo batteries a bit and they can explode when damaged. Just saying ev is not a silver bullet.

The dirty secret of EVs is that the area power plant supplying power to your house need not be one using renewable energy.  EVs just trade the local use of fossil fuels in the engine for a non local one at a power plant, in many areas of the country.

But I don’t think @TEXASBGE2018 was suggesting they were a cure for global warming so much as simply a better product.

For the sake of argument, simply a better product how?

Far fewer moving parts, for starters.  

Not sure that makes it better. I know the potential is there and ev is where we are currently heading but for now and the foreseeable future they have to make up some ground to be better than a internal combustion. Which frankly makes sense, Ice has had a 100 year head start.

I suppose I would ask: what does "better" mean to you?  Is it better reliability long term?  Better efficiency?  Better performance characteristics?  Because on almost any of those metrics right now, electric motors outperform ICEs.  

There's a reason that almost every major automotive manufacturer is moving in that direction.   

 Roger that, you said they were better. It is hard to argue that EV is "better" when we have a limited data to go on, after all there are more vehicles on the road than 2 door sports cars, such as trucks, vans, semis. Is it more efficient when you are still powered by fossil fuels? Extra load on the grid as well, do we have grid problems now Texas, California? Mining and recycling batteries.

   I am guessing every major automotive manufacturer is more or less being forced into EV whether through consumer demand or government regulation. I bet they don't get out of bed every morning and think "dang lets reinvent the automobile, and retool our factories."

 Carry on looking photos of awesome cars, sorry for the derail, I just enjoy a conversation with an intellectual, plus the internet gives me adequate time to respond ;-)

This is the last thing I'll say on this topic so as to not offend the delicate sensibilities of the thread police.  I don't think it's all that difficult to argue they're better in many respects.  Here's a piece that's a couple years old that articulates some of the advantages:

https://theconversation.com/heres-why-electric-cars-have-plenty-of-grunt-oomph-and-torque-115356

I'm not listing it here because it's from any authority on the topic, but rather because it's clear and easy to read.  Happy to move the conversation elsewhere (maybe to the OT subforum) if there's interest.  

Thanks for the article, it really shed some light on the difference between a electric motor and a internal combustion engine I am sure you have it bookmarked for reference.

nolaegghead

JohnInCarolina said:

Back on topic:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=83Rs2J4Wt6s

100% idiots and I can tell a good number of them defeated the computer that normally keeps the car under control.

fishlessman

nolaegghead said:

Yes, it was a dream since childhood to acquire a Dodge Caravan.  I knew it wasn't practical, driving around a giant cube of carpet and bucket seats, unable to load 4x8 plywood or pick up friends without having to wait for them on the next block.   But I did it. 

you need to put a coffin on the caravan, everthing looks better with a coffin.  ive posted this tbird before, some how it looked more fitting back in the time

nolaegghead

Reminds me of Harold's car from Harold and Maude.

fishlessman

nolaegghead said:

Reminds me of Harold's car from Harold and Maude.

that would have been quicker. the hurst i posted did the spring break trip from new hampshire to daytona. 1960 plus minus

lousubcap

Departing from my above regarding staying on topic, I offer the following regarding electric drive: (A complete left turn here.) The USN has built two electric drive submarines.  Being old and salty I have ridden both.  The ability to deliver the power was impressive.  Both were well ahead of the times.  The complete package was not robust or mature enough to take advantage of the technology.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/USS_Glenard_P._Lipscomb_(SSN-685).
Offered for some entertaining insights.
Now I'm back to my regularly scheduled thread programming.
@GrateEggspectations - saw a window for some side-bar information.  Upon further review...

Ozzie_Isaac

lousubcap said:

Departing from my above regarding staying on topic, I offer the following regarding electric drive: (A complete left turn here.) The USN has built two electric drive submarines.  Being old and salty I have ridden both.  The ability to deliver the power was impressive.  Both were well ahead of the times.  The complete package was not robust or mature enough to take advantage of the technology.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/USS_Glenard_P._Lipscomb_(SSN-685).
Offered for some entertaining insights.
Now I'm back to my regularly scheduled thread programming.
@GrateEggspectations - saw a window for some side-bar information.  Upon further review...

Was your first ride on The Monitor or the Merrimack?

lousubcap

@Ozzie_Isaac I was and still am ambidextrous...

Begger

Semi-Commn stuff in SoCal.
But last year I spotted a Continential MK ll which IS unusual.
Very nice Bird, nonetheless.....

WeberWho

I'm not all that knowledgeable with Mercedes but I think it's a Mercedes AMG GT. 

Kayak

Strictly in the emissions-to-the-air department, the total emissions from a powerplant are lower than the emissions from all the cars that could burn the same amount of fuel. That doesn't consider all the other aspects, of course, but maybe keeps us alive long enough to be buried in solid wastes.

nolaegghead

Kayak said:

Strictly in the emissions-to-the-air department, the total emissions from a powerplant are lower than the emissions from all the cars that could burn the same amount of fuel. That doesn't consider all the other aspects, of course, but maybe keeps us alive long enough to be buried in solid wastes.

True, and the power plants burn fossil fuels more efficiently than cars can because of their scale and a more efficient Carnot cycle that utilizes waste heat (energy).   Although that is partially offset by inefficiencies of the grid moving the power, it is still more efficient overall.

JohnInCarolina

nolaegghead said:

Kayak said:

Strictly in the emissions-to-the-air department, the total emissions from a powerplant are lower than the emissions from all the cars that could burn the same amount of fuel. That doesn't consider all the other aspects, of course, but maybe keeps us alive long enough to be buried in solid wastes.

True, and the power plants burn fossil fuels more efficiently than cars can because of their scale and a more efficient Carnot cycle that utilizes waste heat (energy).   Although that is partially offset by inefficiencies of the grid moving the power, it is still more efficient overall.

The EPA actually has a handy little calculator that will let you compare estimates for CO2 emissions for your choice of electric vehicle compared to what you would see for a standard gasoline-powered car:

https://www.fueleconomy.gov/feg/Find.do?action=bt2

For where I live, it cuts it in about half.  That's great, but it's not zero.  

NDG

Walk dog past this house, I think the guy owns a  cool hardwood furniture shop.  The R8 I’ve noticed but looks like they got a new toy, never seen this Bentley before.  EDIT or is that a genesis ?  I dunno

nolaegghead

JohnInCarolina said:

nolaegghead said:

Kayak said:

Strictly in the emissions-to-the-air department, the total emissions from a powerplant are lower than the emissions from all the cars that could burn the same amount of fuel. That doesn't consider all the other aspects, of course, but maybe keeps us alive long enough to be buried in solid wastes.

True, and the power plants burn fossil fuels more efficiently than cars can because of their scale and a more efficient Carnot cycle that utilizes waste heat (energy).   Although that is partially offset by inefficiencies of the grid moving the power, it is still more efficient overall.

The EPA actually has a handy little calculator that will let you compare estimates for CO2 emissions for your choice of electric vehicle compared to what you would see for a standard gasoline-powered car:

https://www.fueleconomy.gov/feg/Find.do?action=bt2

For where I live, it cuts it in about half.  That's great, but it's not zero.  

It takes more energy to move electricity and gasoline from their sources where you fill-up.  Sources are coal mines, oil wells, refineries, pipelines, power plants, etc.  They had this handy graphic on your page:

alaskanassasin

JohnInCarolina said:

No nolaegghead said:

Kayak said:

Strictly in the emissions-to-the-air department, the total emissions from a powerplant are lower than the emissions from all the cars that could burn the same amount of fuel. That doesn't consider all the other aspects, of course, but maybe keeps us alive long enough to be buried in solid wastes.

True, and the power plants burn fossil fuels more efficiently than cars can because of their scale and a more efficient Carnot cycle that utilizes waste heat (energy).   Although that is partially offset by inefficiencies of the grid moving the power, it is still more efficient overall.

The EPA actually has a handy little calculator that will let you compare estimates for CO2 emissions for your choice of electric vehicle compared to what you would see for a standard gasoline-powered car:

https://www.fueleconomy.gov/feg/Find.do?action=bt2

For where I live, it cuts it in about half.  That's great, but it's not zero.  

That was my point yesterday, glad you finally caught up ;-)

JohnInCarolina

Ozzie_Isaac

EVs allow the affluent areas to export their pollution and poison to lower income areas.

They don't suffer the negative impacts of pollution because all the pollution used to create go-juice for their environmentally friendly cars is moved to power plants which are predominantly located in lower income locales.

nolaegghead

Ozzie_Isaac said:

EVs allow the affluent areas to export their pollution and poison to lower income areas.

They don't suffer the negative impacts of pollution because all the pollution used to create go-juice for their environmentally friendly cars is moved to power plants which are predominantly located in lower income locales.

I would hardly call the move to EVs an "export" when it was twice what it was before the EV.   This is exactly how editorials work.

JohnInCarolina

Ozzie_Isaac said:

EVs allow the affluent areas to export their pollution and poison to lower income areas.

They don't suffer the negative impacts of pollution because all the pollution used to create go-juice for their environmentally friendly cars is moved to power plants which are predominantly located in lower income locales.

Perhaps a remedy to this would be to also move to renewable energy resources that don’t give rise to pollution in the making of said go juice?  

nolaegghead

My gramps used to say, as he smoked his pipe in his favorite rocker on the front porch: "don't get go-juice on your neighbors, son"

BigreenGreg

NDG said:

Walk dog past this house, I think the guy owns a  cool hardwood furniture shop.  The R8 I’ve noticed but looks like they got a new toy, never seen this Bentley before.  EDIT or is that a genesis ?  I dunno

Aston Martin Vantage-sweet ride

nolaegghead

Apple's concept EV.  Like most concepts, probably will never be built.  But if it did, it would def have Apple CarPlay.

https://www.motor1.com/news/136815/apple-sports-car-concept/