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OT - I read this article then I read the commentary below.-OT
Amateurism in college athletics is dead. Any thought you had about it, forget it time to make the change once and for all.
The unathletic people in the athletic departments, power conferences and NCAA offices have made enough money. You did it, suits. Congratulations. What a run. Your system was making bank for decades and the fans fell for it. We all bought in, even though it never really made sense in the first place. Why can’t they make money on their own name and likeness again? Because they take classes? What does that even mean?
“But they get free education and free room and board”
Shut up. They should already get free school and free room and board because the program and the players before them literally built those buildings. They bought a shîtload of boats and vacation homes for people with zero career minutes played, too.
It’s time we stop pretending there is some sanctity of college athletics to protect. That went out the window when the NCAA Tournament started bringing in hundreds of millions of dollar$ per year. Now we’re watching the system beg for its unpaid talent (its ONLY unpaid talent) to save everything. We have the media companies and universities on their knees begging for a way to get at least 22 student-athletes on a field to roll around chasing a ball, but it is too dangerous for students who can’t run, jump or read a blitz.
But I thought they were just regular student-athletes, like everyone else their age on campus? Why not ask the freshman forestry class to come back and save everything? Can the art school not do it? Surely the science students can come back and keep the university afloat. After all, they’re scientists. No?
Oh wait… you need the athletes and ONLY the athletes. How ironic. Football players and basketball players just wanted a little slice of the pie (and it was a huge pie) before, but you couldn’t share. Now you need them for your budgets (and in some cases, your boat).
What a turn of events. This is quite a plot twist we’re witnessing. A “Look at me, I’m the captain now” situation.
Everything rides on getting the amateurs to amateur again for the fans’ entertainment before the well runs dry.There’s a virus trying to take down the world, and to save these athletic departments nationwide, administrators are going to ask the ones without money to make the money.
So who should be getting paid here?
Another system unfair to those who give their all.
What do you think?
XL and MM
Louisville, Kentucky
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My thoughts may seem contradictory. I think players should get paid. And I think that will destroy college sports. Once endorsements are on the table - and they should be - players will only want to be in major media markets where lots of endorsements are possible.Like I said - contradictory.New Orleans LA
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Pay a salary based on the league with a salary cap per team. Allow free market advertising contracts and cover health insurance for injury and disability for, well, disabilities from playing.
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I think it obvious the end of the NCAA is on the horizon and has been for a while. Times such as these brings us much more close the inequality, scrutiny and burden student athletes must endure to participate in college sports.
It is not uncommon for students to work simultaneous to going to school to support them selves.
My neighbor pursued an accounting degree on full scholarship, and also worked at a bank while doing so. Students may do so, but student athletes typically are not afforded the opportunity for additional income.
Compensate and insure. Allow them the opportunity to make money.to support themselves and families.
This was also an interesting read:
https://www.google.com/amp/s/www.vice.com/amp/en_us/article/gvaqdm/for-love-or-for-money-a-history-of-amateurism-in-the-olympic-games
The origins of amaturism, argued on behalf of class and race.
"Knowledge is Good" - Emil Faber
XL and MM
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It’s sports, which at its essence is as cool as it gets. But as it presently exists, it’s also exploitation, which is as uncool as it gets. As in so many things, just follow the money. Perhaps we’ll see some change come out of this economic collapse — this is one of many arenas (ha!) where it’s sorely needed. Or maybe not — there are a lot of dollars riding on a return to the status quo.It's a 302 thing . . .
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I think it is ridiculous that US Universities are shouldering the bill to perform player development for multi-billion dollar professional sports leagues. I also think it is ridiculous that in 40 states the highest paid public employee is an athletic coach.
At the very least, players shouldn't have to forfeit their likeness rights. Video game licencing funds should be split among all players, and Trevor Lawrence should get a cut of every Clemson #16 jersey that is bought.LBGE
Pikesville, MD
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Acn said:I think it is ridiculous that US Universities are shouldering the bill to perform player development for multi-billion dollar professional sports leagues.
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If you remove the revenue stream then all the title nine sports and less popular sports and activities will dry up. Big picture. I am fine with removing age hurdles from entering professional sports if you want to be a professional and are good enough. Should the HS players get paid also?
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DoubleEgger said:Acn said:I think it is ridiculous that US Universities are shouldering the bill to perform player development for multi-billion dollar professional sports leagues.Really??I know that the top tier two or three dozen schools make a boatload of money but almost all the others lose money.“Reality is that which, when you stop believing in it, doesn't go away.” ― Philip K. Diçk
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This will only strengthen further the high profile programs and make more corrupt whoever regulates it. The NCAA is already entirely corrupt anyway.
This has nothing to do with fairness to athletes, but everything to do with greed and who gains the most.
Either way, I will be a sheep and tune in on Saturday regardless and root for my favorite teams. -
Pretty much all of the major D1 conference schools make money on football and mens' basketball. With rare exception (maybe UCONN women's basketball, an occasional baseball program) all the rest are money losers - so the revenue generated by football and mens' basketball funds all of the other sports.
It's more complicated than many make it out to be. Yes, people pay to watch Tua Tagovailoa or Zion Williamson - but they do that partly because of the Alabama jersey or the Duke jersey. We're the only country that ties professional sports development to college education such that our college teams function as minor leagues for the major sports. No minor league player in any sport anywhere makes much money. The fan/school loyalty is real and definitely contributes to the TV viewing, ticket sales, jersey sales, etc. That stuff wouldn't have happened if Zion played in the NBA D-League or Tua played in some football equivalent. The exposure they got from huge audiences on national TV dramatically increases the amount they earn on their first professional contract and on their first endorsement contracts. (After leaving Duke, Zion had endorsement deals worth over $100,000,000 before he ever played an NBA game)
I'm not saying that everything about the current system is "right" or "good". But I don't think the athletes want to destroy the current system because the alternative (something akin to minor league baseball or minor league English soccer) is likely not to their benefit.
On the flip side, in addition to generating direct revenue, college sports are a rallying point for campuses and alumni such that the existence of football and basketball increases alumni donations to the institutions because they help keep the alumni community connected.
I don't have answers. I'm just pointing out some of the complexities because it is not as simple as people suggest.XXL BGE, Karebecue, Klose BYC, Chargiller Akorn Kamado, Weber Smokey Mountain, Grand Turbo gasser, Weber Smoky Joe, and the wheelbarrow that my grandfather used to cook steaks from his cattle
San Antonio, TX
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If there were no Zion or Tua or whoever, the show would roll on. It’s largely the environment created by the schools and leagues that create the atmosphere. I’m not sure one less person will attend because any individual graduates or leaves for the pros. It a continuous carousel of place holders filling a roll in the drama of the week. If the student athletes aren’t there for the education then that’s on them. There is obviously tremendous value and opportunity for them in participation.
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I'm perfectly fine with the schools not paying the student-athletes a wage beyond their scholarships. But the student-athlete should absolutely be able to profit off of their likeness and image.
Luckily, it seems to be moving in that direction. Just my 0.02XL & MM BGE, 36" Blackstone - Newport News, VA -
YukonRon said:
It is not uncommon for students to work simultaneous to going to school to support them selves.
My neighbor pursued an accounting degree on full scholarship, and also worked at a bank while doing so. Students may do so, but student athletes typically are not afforded the opportunity for additional income.
Ron, I am on the fence with a lot of this, but it's not all doom and gloom for scholarship athletes nowadays. Most receive a "cost of attendance" stipend that amounts to about $400-600 per month, on top of the tuition, room and board. I'm no fan of the NCAA, but I feel like nobody ever mentions the fact that college athletes are also being paid these stipends. It's a separate issue from the star athletes bringing in millions for their schools, but for anyone who's not a lottery pick or headed to the NFL the stipend is nothing to scoff at.Stillwater, MN -
Foghorn said:Pretty much all of the major D1 conference schools make money on football and mens' basketball. With rare exception (maybe UCONN women's basketball, an occasional baseball program) all the rest are money losers - so the revenue generated by football and mens' basketball funds all of the other sports.
It's more complicated than many make it out to be. Yes, people pay to watch Tua Tagovailoa or Zion Williamson - but they do that partly because of the Alabama jersey or the Duke jersey. We're the only country that ties professional sports development to college education such that our college teams function as minor leagues for the major sports. No minor league player in any sport anywhere makes much money. The fan/school loyalty is real and definitely contributes to the TV viewing, ticket sales, jersey sales, etc. That stuff wouldn't have happened if Zion played in the NBA D-League or Tua played in some football equivalent. The exposure they got from huge audiences on national TV dramatically increases the amount they earn on their first professional contract and on their first endorsement contracts. (After leaving Duke, Zion had endorsement deals worth over $100,000,000 before he ever played an NBA game)
I'm not saying that everything about the current system is "right" or "good". But I don't think the athletes want to destroy the current system because the alternative (something akin to minor league baseball or minor league English soccer) is likely not to their benefit.
On the flip side, in addition to generating direct revenue, college sports are a rallying point for campuses and alumni such that the existence of football and basketball increases alumni donations to the institutions because they help keep the alumni community connected.
I don't have answers. I'm just pointing out some of the complexities because it is not as simple as people suggest.Stillwater, MN -
Here is another article I read today that I found interesting. Perhaps it allows a bit of clarity in the numbers globally regarding Covid19.
Many countries do not compile data in the same manner. Here in the US, our states vary wildly in data collection as well.
The numbers in Italy and France as an example, correspond to some of the actions many state governors had reportedly enforced on the identification of cause of death for their states.
This actually tries to establish the grid and spike, comparitively speaking.
https://www.economist.com/graphic-detail/2020/04/16/tracking-covid-19-excess-deaths-across-countries?utm_campaign=coronavirus-special-edition&utm_medium=newsletter&utm_source=salesforce-marketing-cloud&utm_term=2020-05-23&utm_content=cover_text_url_3
What do you think?"Knowledge is Good" - Emil Faber
XL and MM
Louisville, Kentucky -
YukonRon said:Here is another article I read today that I ...New Orleans LA
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Dondgc said:YukonRon said:Here is another article I read today that I ...
Whatevs. It is their "Badge of Honor"
Ignorance is bliss. Their day has been made.
Good for them."Knowledge is Good" - Emil Faber
XL and MM
Louisville, Kentucky -
Pay em, don’t pay em. They’re still gonna get envelopes of cash from backers. I think they should be allowed to have insurance policies on themselves like pro athletes. Keep in mind,
football keeps 90% of the campus funded. Without it, there wouldn’t be english, history or all those other random majors. -
ColbyLang said:
Keep in mind,
football keeps 90% of the campus funded. Without it, there wouldn’t be english, history or all those other random majors."I've made a note never to piss you two off." - Stike -
JohnInCarolina said:ColbyLang said:
Keep in mind,
football keeps 90% of the campus funded. Without it, there wouldn’t be english, history or all those other random majors. -
ColbyLang said:Keep in mind, football keeps 90% of the campus funded. Without it, there wouldn’t be english, history or all those other random majors.
I have no idea how much of the money is distributed back to academics, but I suspect surprisingly little.
http://www.ncaa.org/about/where-does-money-go
If you keep scrolling, academic distribution is a footnote at the end and they don't specify an amount.
Which came first the chicken or the egg? I egged the chicken and then I ate his leg. -
ColbyLang said:JohnInCarolina said:ColbyLang said:
Keep in mind,
football keeps 90% of the campus funded. Without it, there wouldn’t be english, history or all those other random majors."I've made a note never to piss you two off." - Stike -
SmokeyPitt said:ColbyLang said:Keep in mind, football keeps 90% of the campus funded. Without it, there wouldn’t be english, history or all those other random majors.
I have no idea how much of the money is distributed back to academics, but I suspect surprisingly little.
http://www.ncaa.org/about/where-does-money-go
If you keep scrolling, academic distribution is a footnote at the end and they don't specify an amount.
Here’s one article discussing this:
http://amp.thecomeback.com/ncaa/less-than-1-in-every-100-of-public-athletic-departments-revenue-goes-to-academics-only-10-schools-gave-on-balance.html
"I've made a note never to piss you two off." - Stike -
Federally insured student loans pay for all that.
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alaskanassasin said:Federally insured student loans pay for all that.
"I've made a note never to piss you two off." - Stike -
Borrowing through the Federal Direct student loan program (subsidized and unsubsidized combined) fell by 32% ($32.3 billion in 2018 dollars) between 2010-11 and 2018-19, falling from 77% to 65% of total education borrowing. Between 1998-99 and 2010-11, borrowing through this program increased by 142% ($59.5 billion).
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alaskanassasin said:Borrowing through the Federal Direct student loan program (subsidized and unsubsidized combined) fell by 32% ($32.3 billion in 2018 dollars) between 2010-11 and 2018-19, falling from 77% to 65% of total education borrowing. Between 1998-99 and 2010-11, borrowing through this program increased by 142% ($59.5 billion)."I've made a note never to piss you two off." - Stike
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JohnInCarolina said:ColbyLang said:JohnInCarolina said:ColbyLang said:
Keep in mind,
football keeps 90% of the campus funded. Without it, there wouldn’t be english, history or all those other random majors. -
The percentage of students who qualify for federal loans is typically only about a third.I was aiming at that one. But carry onSouth of Columbus, Ohio.
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JohnInCarolina said:alaskanassasin said:Federally insured student loans pay for all that.
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