Never said he didnt make any mistakes, that was to see which ones were bothering people the most. And it was @caliking response that was untoward. Either way I'm done in here 

Although I am only 38 years old I am in the higher risk camp due to a biological I take for psoriatic arthritis that weakens my immune response to things. I have to get tested for TB every year, got the pneumococcal vaccine, and I get blood work done every few months. 

milesvdustin said:

Vanilla sucks. I had a reply for the haters on here but **** it. I never said trump was doing a good job, or defending anything. So much for some good old fashioned debate, we will just poke fun instead. 

@frazzdaddy I don't care who is making the point, when they interject their hate and slander towards me it shows me exactly what kind of person they are. "Respected" my ass. 

Not certain that I was included in @frazzdaddy ‘s comment about respected folks. Respect who you want to. I just try to be informed/educated, and respectful (as warranted). 

GATraveller said:

frazzdaddy said:

Canugghead said:

milesvdustin said:

Which mistakes, same ones all the other countries have made? This isnt so much an america problem as it is the entire world. 

Yes the pandemic is a problem for the entire world, it's how you handle it that differentiates losers from winners. Don't paint "all the other countries" with the same BS.

btw, did someone brag about doing more tests than S. Korea? For Christ sake, pick anyone but leave S. Korea alone pleeeeese ...

Read this on FB yesterday, I suppose you can argue it's FAKE news.

My mom recently went back to Korea for her own safety (she has no medical insurance here) and I need to share her coronavirus experience because this is some next level stuff.

Upon arriving in Korea after a flight in a nearly empty plane, non-citizens and citizens were separated. Non-citizens went to a separate quarantine zone while citizens went straight to screening. My mom was examined and then instructed to download an app made SPECIFICALLY for coronavirus, to mainly track her GPS to make sure she really self-quarantines, but also to provide countrywide updates on the pandemic.

She was greeted outside by officials who hailed a cab for her that the Korean government paid for, and they confirmed the address she would stay at for the next two weeks.

The day after she got settled in, a health worker showed up to make sure she was doing okay, and dropped off a kit filled with masks, thermometers, trash bag, and disinfecting products (photo attached).

And in three days she will do a drive thru coronavirus check and she will get her results in the app within 24 hours. Mic drop.

Just thought I’d share real quick how much South Korea is light years ahead of us.

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UPDATE: Wow, didn't expect this to become so popular, hello to everybody! I wanted to add some quick bullet points for those who may not fully understand the context of this post:

1. South Korea is a democratic country, FYI.

2. No matter what the culture differences are between the two countries, S. Korea's government managed to launch and act on a bunch of programs in record time. Compare or don't compare, but you have to admit it's still amazing how quickly S. Korea responded. Take this as an educational look at how another country is handling this crazy pandemic!

3. My mother is doing great!! Thank you to those who asked. I'll post more updates from her on this thread as she sends me more recaps.

4. Please don't be a jerk or else I'll delete your comment. We all have our own crap to deal with. Thank you!

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Kinda seems like we could learn a thing or two from that example....

Yet we won't. To fight a pandemic one has to make personal sacrifice for the greater good. With each passing generation the number of those willing continues to shrink. We're a self centered, superficial petty bunch that can't seem to think further than the next episode of the Kardashians. 

Man, I hope you're wrong...not gonna bet against you though.

I originally mentioned an article that details how the pandemic task force was reorganized into other agencies, not disbanded. Did every single person that worked on that force lose their job? No, from what I've read only the director of it lost his position but everyone else still has their job. Would disbanded be they all got the pink slip and gtfo?

Then later i asked which mistakes were being referenced. Because this disease is worldwide, nobody has made the right call and haven't gotten in in their country. Worldwide! The first thing @caliking replies to that is if I'm taking that hydroxychloroquine? What kind of response is that to the question i posed if it's not meant to be ugly and mean spirited directed right at me?

This is the problem here, anyone disagrees with you they try to cut you down and call you an idiot. And its VERY obvious politically which side the people doing this are on. That's where I see the disrespect.

Posters are saying I think trump does no wrong, etc but I have not stated that view, because i dont have that view. 

caliking said:

milesvdustin said:

Vanilla sucks. I had a reply for the haters on here but **** it. I never said trump was doing a good job, or defending anything. So much for some good old fashioned debate, we will just poke fun instead. 

@frazzdaddy I don't care who is making the point, when they interject their hate and slander towards me it shows me exactly what kind of person they are. "Respected" my ass. 

Not certain that I was included in @frazzdaddy ‘s comment about respected folks. Respect who you want to. I just try to be informed/educated, and respectful (as warranted). 

So what did I say or do to you that means I dont warrant any respect? Surely it's my perceived views on things, because I've never said anything to you in a bad light, but you'll come right out with some crap at me. 

milesvdustin said:

I originally mentioned an article that details how the pandemic task force was reorganized into other agencies, not disbanded. Did every single person that worked on that force lose their job? No, from what I've read only the director of it lost his position but everyone else still has their job. Would disbanded be they all got the pink slip and gtfo?

Then later i asked which mistakes were being referenced. Because this disease is worldwide, nobody has made the right call and haven't gotten in in their country. Worldwide! The first thing @caliking replies to that is if I'm taking that hydroxychloroquine? What kind of response is that to the question i posed if it's not meant to be ugly and mean spirited directed right at me?

This is the problem here, anyone disagrees with you they try to cut you down and call you an idiot. And its VERY obvious politically which side the people doing this are on. That's where I see the disrespect.

Posters are saying I think trump does no wrong, etc but I have not stated that view, because i dont have that view. 

caliking said:

milesvdustin said:

Vanilla sucks. I had a reply for the haters on here but **** it. I never said trump was doing a good job, or defending anything. So much for some good old fashioned debate, we will just poke fun instead. 

@frazzdaddy I don't care who is making the point, when they interject their hate and slander towards me it shows me exactly what kind of person they are. "Respected" my ass. 

Not certain that I was included in @frazzdaddy ‘s comment about respected folks. Respect who you want to. I just try to be informed/educated, and respectful (as warranted). 

So what did I say or do to you that means I dont warrant any respect? Surely it's my perceived views on things, because I've never said anything to you in a bad light, but you'll come right out with some crap at me. 

I don't know why you're carrying on with this, or trying to play the victim.

As to which countries have done better -
1. S. Korea
2. Singapore
3. Hong Kong
4. Germany... sort of. High number of cases, lower mortality. Some speculate that its because they have more nurses per capita than other countries.  Who knows.

Just a few. Pops hangs out in Belize a good part of the year, and even they had a more sensible response to COVID-19 than the US. Because they don't have a loon undermining people who have some expertise  in the matter. 

As to the remainder of your post/comment, I never said anything about you warranting respect or not. Review your comments, maybe check up on some facts, and get back to us. 

Be well.

milesvdustin said:

Which mistakes, same ones all the other countries have made? This isnt so much an america problem as it is the entire world. 

The orange clown that's killing people through inactivity in slow motion doesn't seem like he's getting the ratings he lives for with anyone who's educated in the medical community.  Look at the fvcking graphs, man!  Good to see for his sake he still has the support from a legion of:

Donald Trump claimed he could "stand in the middle of Fifth Avenue and shoot somebody" and not "lose any voters."

Nope.  I read them.  Holding Trump responsible for everything is like blaming your 6 year old for killing a goldfish.  I blame the general populace for being idiots and voting in a fvcking incompetent government.  

milesvdustin said:

I guess you missed the last several posts of mine too? 

China should have shut their country down right off, instead they shut down the doctors trying to sound the alarm. But now it's all Americas fault. 

Who here is claiming this is all America’s fault?

Maybe the "America's Fault" sentiment is what the actual fake news wants you to think through propaganda that other people think because they want to propagate an "us against them" mentality.  When in fact, that's a load of crap that keeps people like you, that would otherwise look at things objectively, find a bogeyman you can label as unpatriotic and haters.  Human engineering at its worst.

I'm not calling anyone the boogeyman. If someone wants to make a personal comment I'm going to rebuttal it. I do view things objectively, and most often with an eye of cold reality. I started bringing things up around here to the group because there seems to be the need for a scapegoat and it is overtaking the forum. Even the "what are you.... now" threads.

Also, if I may add, I think the decision in Wisconsin to hold elections in person is most excellent.  Death is a small price to pay to vote in person and not have, like, fake absentee ballots.  Voting is serious business and history has shown us there are all kinds of fake people and dead people and immigrants and all that voting that we need to totally stop.  A few thousand dead people is a small price to pay for a totally rigged system.  MAGA!!!!  MAGA!!! MOFUCKAHSZ!!! MAGA!!!

This crisis will define the Trump presidency. People will reflect on him calling it a flu, tests being unavailable, doctors pleading for masks, states begging for ventilators, Americans dying in historic numbers. I’m not sure of much, but I’m sure of this—no one is going to say “job well done.”

bicktrav said:

This crisis will define the Trump presidency. People will reflect on him calling it a flu, tests being unavailable, doctors pleading for masks, states begging for ventilators, Americans dying in historic numbers. I’m not sure of much, but I’m sure of this—no one is going to say “job well done.”