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Aaron does Steak
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A Aaron has skilz. Steaks are good on any Kamado. Or should we all order one of his custom cookers 😀
Sandy Springs & Dawsonville Ga -
Didn’t take it as you being combative. No worries, was just showing an example of a roasting then like I said I cranked the egg up to 700 and actually got great crust.
Plus I couldn’t find any steaks that I’ve done for some dome reason. But I cook them the same way.
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Fwiw, he’s taught classes at the Texas Eggfest before - prime rib I think, not steak. I think he’s probably acquainted well enough.
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There goes my theory then.
South of Nashville - BGE XL - Alfresco 42" ALXE - Alfresco Versa Burner - Sunbeam Microwave -
Sorry to sound accusatory. How do you cook steaks? Maybe a pic tutorial
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The year I went, it was a tomahawk ribeye he did caveman on an XL.
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We’ll have to cook some steaks this weekend on BGEs and all the other devices we have to test out Ayron’s theory.
"I've made a note never to piss you two off." - Stike -
Pic not necessary. That’s the way this thread holder rolls.
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So, he hints, if not says, in the book page provided by HeavyG that his issue is with the stability of the BGE, viewed as a positive for slow cooks, not so much for steaks. He says in the first article linked to below that he likes the PK grill for home cooks. Check out the chart in the article about midway down, caveman style tomahawk. It may be that he isn't tuned into all the various techniques that can be done with the Egg to achieve similar setups as he is doing with his PK grill. Or maybe he just finds the PK to be more responsive, due to the aluminum build. (Article is from 2015, though)
Then, on a side note, in the article below they ask the question is a Steak House in Aaron's future.
Chart Excerpt:
LG BGE, KJ Jr, Smokin Bros. Premier 36 and Pizza Party Bollore -
Who knows for sure...
LG BGE, KJ Jr, Smokin Bros. Premier 36 and Pizza Party Bollore -
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Large BGE. OONI 16, TOTO Washlet S550e (Now with enhanced Motherly Hugs!)
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In the book he sticks with the PK grill as his tool of choice. He also devotes a few pages and a plan for what he calls a "hybrid hibachi". Basically a hibachi with an attached brasero. Maybe he'll sell those in addition to his smokers whenever that business actually starts selling.
For folks that wanted to know what all he said about kamados I snapped a pix then OCR'd that section. OCR is not always 100% so there may be some text output errors and I didn't bother to clean up the file. If there's more in this section that offends remember - I'm just the messenger, I didn't write the damn book. 😋
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Kamado Cookers: Hot and Heavy!
The luxury SUVs of outdoor cooking, those ovat-
shaped ceramic cookers known by the ubiqui-
tous brand Big Green Egg (BGE) have been the
biggest trend in outdoor cooking for the last
ten years or so. The BGE and other brands are
examples of kamado cookers, a style that orig-
inated in the Far East thousands of years ago.
These ovoid cookers are tiled on the outside,
have thick, smooth ceramic interiors, and lids
that hinge near the top and open like a Fabergé
egg. Air intake comes in through the bottom.
These grills have become badges of the bour-
geois, essential possessions for the suburban
backyard set. And all that's a good thing.
Kamado-style cookers are excellent devices for
cooking many things. Unfortunately, steak is
not one of them.
Yes, kamados, which are heated by placing char-
coal in the bottom, can sear steaks beautifully
at the incredibly high temperatures they are
capable of reaching (8000F to 9000F), but cook-
ing the steaks evenly and gently is the problem.
Because of their thick ceramic walls, these
cookers hold heat especially well, getting very
hot and maintaining the temperature easily for
a long time. That's a great feature in an oven
but not necessarily in a grill. Thus, the kamado
"grills" work best for processes with long cook
times, where holding a consistent temperature
is the name of the game, such as roasting, smok-
ing, and baking.
Kamado cooVers are awesome, rock solid.
almost indestructible pieces of equipment and
do any backyard proud. For smoking brisvets
and ribs or roasting chickens and pork shoul-
ders. they're amazing. If you want to bake a loaf
of bread in the dead of summer without turne
ing on the oven, the BGE is for you. Spareribs?
No problem. Even pizza! But the challenges in
cooking steaks on a kamado are legion. For
one. the circular shape of a kamado (especially
the smaller models) makes it difficult to have
a two-zone setup in which hot coals are placed
on only one-half of the grill (see page 147).
Especially important for cooking thicker cuts of
meat, a two-zone configuration permits you to
sear the outside of the meat directly over the
coals, but then move the meat of the coats to a
warm but not scorching spot where it can cook
more slowly, allowing the inside to come up to
temperature. In a conventional round grill like a
Weber kettle, this is easy to do, as its thin walls
don't retain a lot of heat, clearly dividing the hot
and cool sides and enabling real contrast. In a
kamado, the radiant heat can be so great that
even in a two-zone setup. the coot side will stilt
be really hot.
Heat in general can be a challenge in these
ovoid cookers. While they have a remarkable
ability to hold lower temperatures for tong peri-
ods, arriving at those desired temperatures can
be difficult. Experience has shown us that one
of the key skills in using a kamado is to keep it
from getting too hot. Once you overload it with
even just a little excess charcoal, it can get too
hot to use optimally. And kamados take forever
to cool down, especially in warm weather. (In
cold climates and in winter, however, they can
be great assets in outdoor cooking.) Grilling
well-marbled steaks in such heat over live
coals can cause a lot of fat to render and ignite
immediately, creating a flare-up fest and plenty
of bitterly charred, overdone meat.
Lastly, kamados are expensive. The smallest
Big Green Egg costs four hundred dollars with-
out accessories, and its grill only measures ten
inches in diameter, big enough for one good-
size ribeye or porterhouse cooked in a single
zone. The extra-large Big Green Egg, which has
a grill measuring twenty-nine inches, costs
around two thousand dollars.
“Reality is that which, when you stop believing in it, doesn't go away.” ― Philip K. Diçk -
He is high. Lots of misinformation there. I agree with much of what he said, however. But not stuff like "overloading with charcoal makes it get too hot".
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Thanks HeavyG. I don't know. Maybe it's just me but I don't see anything too egregious, here. The man likes what he likes and tells you why. To each his own. The vibe I get from the article I referenced was that Franklin is a bit of a throwback and a fan of nostalgia. If anything, it kind of makes me respect him more. We all don't have to agree on everything to still learn from one another. Also, when I think of Franklin I don't really think of steaks.
LG BGE, KJ Jr, Smokin Bros. Premier 36 and Pizza Party Bollore -
I can see where if one is using it strictly as a grill with the dome always up that a full load of fuel might create more heat than one wants since you have no control over airflow. Or perhaps he had some other setup in mind; dunno, don't care.
“Reality is that which, when you stop believing in it, doesn't go away.” ― Philip K. Diçk -
He is high as a kite!
However, sous vide with a hot sear in cast iron with some butter has been my steak go-to lately. Usually skillet is on the egg
2 LBGE, Blackstone 36, Jumbo Joe
Egging in Southern Illinois (Marion)
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The big joe 3 in the nest is $2k and that’s at Atlanta grill company. Pretty sure it’s even more than that other places. It’s really nice but that’s crazy how much prices have risen.
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I looked at one there yesterday that was in a challenger table for $3300. I guess it was a 3. I don’t know. I was thinking about $1300 for the KJ and $2k for the cart but that’s my guess.
Additional shoutout for the $20 bags of RW.
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I don’t think that’s a 3. The 3 is deeper for that new indirect thing they have it’s huge probably 12” deeper than the xl egg. The MSRP on the 3 is $2399 but they had it at $1999.Gotta swing by there in the next couple days for some more Rockwood.
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Stick to bbq Aaron
Rockwall, Tx LBGE, Minimax, 22" Blackstone, Pizza Party Bollore. Cast Iron Hoarder.
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On the BGE low 'n slow direct with a sear at the end if it needs it. I wasn't agreeing with Aaron btw.
South of Nashville - BGE XL - Alfresco 42" ALXE - Alfresco Versa Burner - Sunbeam Microwave -
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Did he say you can’t cook eggs on a kamado?
Sandy Springs & Dawsonville Ga -
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This is mostly correct. He has a book coming out soon on cooking eggs. Starts with several chapters on different types of bird eggs, chicken varieties, pasture raised vs non caged vs caged. Buying from neighbors and hippies, etc.
No real recipes, but technique. How to select the perfect egg, which are better for omelettes vs boiled or poached. How to slice an egg without mangling it, how to peel, what equipment is best, etc. Kamados lose again. It’s getting infuriating.
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Flipping thru more of Aaron's steak bible this morning during breakfast I see that starting on the front endpaper and continuing across the flyleaf he has a nice flow chart titled "How to Cook Steak".
One thing that caught my eye was the path for Ribeye. When it came to the block for steak thickness:
If the answer was NO the path took you to the suggested technique which was "Just use a George Foreman grill for crying out loud".
I checked in on the georgeforemangrillforum.com site just now and see some folks there were also pretty frosty. Many claiming they too can easily cook 2"+ thick steaks, a lot of pix (of rather grayish looking cowboy ribeyes), one fellow showing off his "adjustable rig" on his ForemanXL where he is cooking a 3.5" Tomahawk, and a lot of "Stay in your lane, Bro" memes.
“Reality is that which, when you stop believing in it, doesn't go away.” ― Philip K. Diçk -
He’s a business man pure and simple. He’s not going to talk up a product that he has no interest in pursuing from a business standpoint. The kamado market isn’t the place to be now and he couldn’t do any more than slap his name on another “me too” copycat BGE. He can however develop a line of PK style grills or go into a partnership with PK directly.
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