Kamala Harris

Legume

I love how so many people use elipses (...) to communicate "there's a lot more of that and worse behind the door but you're safe from it for now."  But I have no idea what double elipses means, maybe fafo or shaking a fist at the sky?

JohnInCarolina

Legume said:

I love how so many people use elipses (...) to communicate "there's a lot more of that and worse behind the door but you're safe from it for now."  But I have no idea what double elipses means, maybe fafo or shaking a fist at the sky?

I think in the case of @fishlessman the double ellipses mean “if you could only hear the multiple voices inside my head” 

Legume

Gorusch "be careful..."

fishlessman

JohnInCarolina said:

Legume said:

I love how so many people use elipses (...) to communicate "there's a lot more of that and worse behind the door but you're safe from it for now."  But I have no idea what double elipses means, maybe fafo or shaking a fist at the sky?

I think in the case of @fishlessman the double ellipses mean “if you could only hear the multiple voices inside my head” 

i did not know seven dots....... was an ellipse but stop picking on the voices, those are my friends.......

fishlessman

JohnInCarolina said:

fishlessman said:

calling people weird gets you places in america.......

Where does wearing eyeliner get you?

pretty sure a guy wearing eyeliner is ok if he identifies as a guy wearing eyeliner. i could be wrong but ive never kept up with this stuff

DoubleEgger

JohnInCarolina said:

fishlessman said:

calling people weird gets you places in america.......

Where does wearing eyeliner get you?

Apparently in between the couch cushions. 

JohnInCarolina

fishlessman said:

JohnInCarolina said:

fishlessman said:

calling people weird gets you places in america.......

Where does wearing eyeliner get you?

pretty sure a guy wearing eyeliner is ok if he identifies as a guy wearing eyeliner. i could be wrong but ive never kept up with this stuff

I’m starting to think he should maybe identify as a douchecanoe.  

I just hope Trump doesn’t realize how much of an anchor he is until it’s too late.

StillH2OEgger

Have to say that I'm surprised it's Walz, but I suppose any of the contenders had plenty on both sides of the old pros/cons list. Not being a malignant narcissist is at least a good place to start.

YukonRon

DoubleEgger said:

JohnInCarolina said:

fishlessman said:

calling people weird gets you places in america.......

Where does wearing eyeliner get you?

Apparently in between the couch cushions. 

Couch cushions have lost all self-respect. I suppose not raw dogging a hooker porn star while wife #3 was taking care of their children is a plus?

lousubcap

Regarding the Tim Walz pick-from Nate Silver formerly of Five-Thirty Eight polling:

"Wikipedia defines “Minnesota Nice” — the property stereotypically associated with the home state of Kamala Harris’s new running mate, Gov. Tim Walz — as follows:

Minnesota nice is a cultural stereotype applied to the behavior of people from Minnesota, implying residents are unusually courteous, reserved, and mild-mannered compared to people from other states and more akin to their Canadian neighbors in Northern Ontario. The phrase also implies polite friendliness, an aversion to open confrontation, a tendency toward understatement, a disinclination to make a direct fuss or stand out, apparent emotional restraint, and self-deprecation. It is sometimes associated with passive-aggression.

Playwright and corporate communications consultant Syl Jones suggested that Minnesota nice is not so much about being "nice" but is more about keeping up appearances, maintaining the social order, and keeping people (including non-natives of the state) in their place.

This was a choice designed to maintain the social fabric of the Democratic Party, and avoid news cycles about a disappointed left and Democrats’ internal squabbling over the War in Gaza. Or at least, that’s what I think it was: we’ll need to learn more about Harris’s deliberation process. I’m not inclined to be too deferential to any political candidate, but it’s plausible that there were vetting issues with the runner-up, Gov. Josh Shapiro of Pennsylvania. Harris certainly has more information about the internal feeling within the Democratic caucus than I do, or she may just have thought the chemistry of a Harris-Shapiro ticket wouldn’t work.

Do I think this is the right pick? No. On Saturday, I made the casethat Harris should pick Shapiro. And nothing has really changed since then — although you could argue that Harris’s increasingly strong position in the polls compels greater risk-aversion than when she’d initially appeared to be an underdog against Donald Trump. The basic reasons for picking Shapiro are that he increases the likelihood you win Pennsylvania, he has a demonstrated track record of popularity in the most important swing state, he’s obviously an extremely talented politician and perhaps a future standard-bearer for the party himself. And also, the reasons for not picking Shapiro aren’t great. Democrats in the political bubble overstate the salience of the Gaza issue and understate the benefits of moderation, and that’s before getting into the issue of Shapiro’s Jewishness.

Is Walz a reasonable pick in a vacuum? Sure. He’s not JD Vance. He’s well-qualified. Personally, I find his schtick kind of charming, although you might expect me to say that as a fellow Midwesterner. And not unimportantly, he’s not particularly left-wing himself and will likely read as being pretty moderate to voters, having a fairly centrist track record as a member of Congress."

And now the field is set. Away we go-fasten your seat belt.  

dbCooper

@lousubcap - Did you notice Walz was born in city that houses the world headquarters of Oak Barn Beef, West Point NE?  From there he lived in a couple small towns in western Nebraska, where they spray for Democrats.  From my reading the house district in MN he represented is described as a rural area in the southern part of the state.

I get the importance of PA and how Shapiro could deliver that.  If (yes it's a big if) Walz can connect with rural and small town voters and get them focused on their very real personal impacts of Trump vs Harris policies, that could have a huge impact in the electorial college votes.

An easy starter is the damage done to the ag sector from the previous guys tariffs and his pledge to increase them.  That resulted in the USDA handing out $27 billion in welfare (bribes) to ag producers, most of which went to cash-rent landlords, not folks like @alaskanassasin who are out in the fields getting their hands dirty.

If that is the role for Walz and he can make inroads there, it could be a very wise choice for VP.

lousubcap

A bit more insights regarding Walz as the pick: From The Atlantic:

Tom Nichols STAFF WRITER

"Minnesota Governor Tim Walz will be the Democratic nominee for vice president. He’s likely been tapped not for his liberal policies but for his amiability and optimism, in a bid to attract voters tiring of the gloom and doom pushed by Donald Trump and J. D. Vance.

"I admit that to write about Minnesota Governor Tim Walz, I had to overcome two biases. One is that he has both a cat and a dog. Last winter, he added another cat—a shelter rescue—to his home, and as Mark Twain said, “When a man loves cats, I am his friend and comrade, without further introduction.” The other bias is a bit closer to my heart. He and his wife had a long and difficult road to having a child, an experience my family knows very well. Their journey led to IVF and ours to adoption; both of us were blessed with beautiful daughters. And because the Walz and Nichols families never gave up and somehow knew it would work out, we gave our daughters the same name: Hope.

Now, does all that mean that Vice President Kamala Harris has chosen the right running mate? I don’t know. Walz is a very liberal Democrat; as a recent Voice of America profile noted, under Walz, Minnesota has “allowed undocumented immigrants to obtain a driver’s license, expanded background checks for gun transfers, legalized recreational marijuana, and offered protections for people seeking or providing gender-affirming health care.” He is not going to enlarge the diversity of the campaign’s policy positions. But I suspect that Harris was not making her choice based primarily on Walz’s politics, and I can only speculate about why Walz was chosen over the other apparent finalists, Senator Mark Kelly of Arizona and Pennsylvania Governor Josh Shapiro.

Taking a pass on Kelly is the easier call to explain. He has a solid personal background as a military officer and an astronaut; he is a dedicated husband who cared for his wife after she was nearly killed in a mass shooting. But he hasn’t been in the Senate very long, and he’s been criticized by supporters of organized labor—whose efforts will be crucial to a Democratic win in November—over his initial unwillingness to sign on to a pro-union bill. He is a competent but not particularly electrifying public speaker, and although he comes from an important swing state, Harris may be able to make up lost ground there without him on the ticket.

Shapiro is a more complicated option. The obvious case for choosing Pennsylvania’s popular governor—his approval rating at home is an impressive 61 percent—is that he could help lock down the state’s 19 electoral votes. Without Pennsylvania, Harris’s chances of victory functionally drop to zero, and if Shapiro could deliver the Keystone State, he would shore up the most worrisome vulnerability in Harris’s Electoral College math.

But not so fast. Choosing Shapiro carried plenty of risks. First—and let’s just say it plainly—trying to appeal to four or five swing states with a ticket that is Black and Jewish is a lift in a country where racism and anti-Semitism remain real problems. You might wish America was different, and in most states, the ethnic and racial composition of the ticket wouldn’t matter. But even having him in the mix would fuel anti-Semites and other kooks who want to dirty the political waters. If Harris chose Shapiro, they’d say that she was bending to the secret influence of the Israel lobby; if she didn’t choose him, then she was just another Jew-hater like so many of the students protesting on elite campuses.

In fact, the right-wing commentator Erick Erickson already tried that latter line of attack today: “No Jews allowed at the top of the Democratic Party,” he groused on X. (“News to me,” Senate Majority Leader Chuck Schumer fired back.) Shapiro’s positions on Middle East affairs, as my colleague Yair Rosenberg has noted, are similar to Walz’s, but the reality—however unfair it might be—is that a Jewish candidate could have ended up a lightning rod for prejudices and distracting arguments that the Harris campaign could otherwise attempt to avoid.

Shapiro supporters could argue that he already won a state that is, as the Democratic strategist James Carville described it back in 1986, two big cities at each end and Alabama in the middle. In that case, however, why not leave him in Pennsylvania as Harris’s surrogate? Nominating Shapiro could backfire and look too much like a cheap bid for 19 electoral votes. Not that there’s anything wrong with that—but even the most cynical ticket-balancing shouldn’t be that obvious. Shapiro, whatever his current success in Pennsylvania, is a lawyer (with a degree from Georgetown) who has never worked very far from politics. If the goal is to increase the ticket’s Middle American cred, his résumé is not that helpful.

Harris was reportedly also vetting Kentucky Governor Andy Beshear and Secretary of Transportation Pete Buttigieg. Beshear is a proven winner in a red state, and although he’s a young and appealing politician, the governor of a small, unwinnable Southern state might not be the optimal pick in a tight race. Short-listing Beshear at least had some logic to it; the Buttigieg boomlet made no sense at all, and seemed to emanate from excited liberals imbibing a wee too much social-media hooch. Buttigieg is a talented speaker who may well have a great future in elected politics, but that future will have to start with being elected to something again. (And no, snagging first place in Iowa’s weird caucuses does not count. Just ask President Rick Santorum.)

Walz does not balance the ticket in terms of policy, but if Democrats are trying to build a Team Normal to take on Team Weird—as Walz himself dubbed the Republicans—then a Nebraska native who became Minnesota’s governor makes a lot of sense. As Jill Lawrence wrote in The Bulwarktoday, Walz—a hunter and a guy who looks comfortable holding a piglet at a state fair—can speak to voters both in the cities and in rural areas. (He won election to Congress by flipping a GOP-held district in 2006 and was reelected five times.) Ezra Klein, meanwhile, noted while interviewing Walz that he projects “Midwestern dad vibes.”

Walz, in other words, comes across in public like a normal person with a life story that most Americans can understand. He spent most of his working years before politics as a beloved high-school teacher and football coach. (He reminds me of one of my wonderful and unflaggingly liberal history teachers, who wrote “Up the Irish and the Democrats” in my yearbook.) Politics is full of lawyers and policy wonks from glitzy schools; Walz went to local state schools and got the kinds of degrees in social science and education common to teachers. He served as an enlisted man in the Army, reaching the rank of command sergeant major—a significant achievement, as retired Army Lieutenant General Mark Hertling explainedon X today.

Walz also talks like an ordinary American, which could be a big advantage in 2024. Trump is a babbling autocrat; Vance tries to talk like Trump and sounds like an inauthentic babbling autocrat. Harris can be awkward when she’s not sticking to a script; she’s gotten a lot better since her short-lived 2020 presidential bid, but I suspect that of the four of them, Walz will likely have the easiest time connecting to voters who just want to hear from someone who speaks simply and directly.

I admit that I am eager to see Walz debate Vance; as former Senator Claire McCaskill said today, Walz “is really the guy that J. D. Vance is pretending to be.” Vance and his book about working-class Americans, Walz told Klein, offend him: “Those are my people,” he said. “And I know they’re not weird. I know they’re not Donald Trump.”

If Harris’s goal was to add ideological centrism to the ticket, Walz is a risk. If, however, Harris is trying to appeal to millions of ordinary Americans by adding a man who lives and sounds like the people she is trying to reach, then Walz was a solid choice."

JohnInCarolina

https://www.nj.com/news/2024/08/in-new-marist-poll-harris-makes-astronomical-move-on-trump.html

Botch

Legume

@alaskanassasin that you?

dbCooper

Can't be @alaskanassasin since the tractor is not orange.  Unless he hit hard times and had to give up the Allis Chalmers. 

Legume

WildmanWilson

Tampon Tim....LOL You boys got yourself a winner with that one !!

Botch

JohnInCarolina

WildmanWilson said:

Tampon Tim....LOL You boys got yourself a winner with that one !!

The self owns on display here truly are remarkable.

Botch

I'm flabbergasted that the trumplican party is trying to "swift-boat" Tim Walz, while unconditionally supporting Bovine Bonespur, who regularly denigrates those who make huge sacrifices.  
What the f*ck has happened to this country?  

JohnInCarolina

Botch said:

I'm flabbergasted that the trumplican party is trying to "swift-boat" Tim Walz, while unconditionally supporting Bovine Bonespur, who regularly denigrates those who make huge sacrifices.  
What the f*ck has happened to this country?  

Chris LaCavita is one of the main people running Trump’s campaign.  He’s also the guy who organized the Swift Boat Veterans for Truth who took Kerry down a couple of pegs.

These are the worst people.  

WildmanWilson

JohnInCarolina

WildmanWilson said:

That all sounds legit, not made up at all.

YukonRon

WildmanWilson said:

John you are too kind. That post is absolute and total Bovine Scatology.

These are targeted to the ignorant of the MAGA Cult. Anyone with half of a brain would immediately recognize it as parroting false data to the sheep, typical lies from the Fascist Right.

Further, with the Trump proclamation "The Medal of Freedom is superior to The Medal of Honor," I would not give a **** if no border existed, I would still vote for Kamala. ( ,La )

Buckwoody Egger

Cool shirt 

https://www.bonfire.com/the-south-chooses-harris-walz/

Botch

Buckwoody Egger said:

Cool shirt 

https://www.bonfire.com/the-south-chooses-harris-walz/

Careful with that website; it took a long time to load, with a red status bar instead of blue, and then began again from about the 1/3rd point; I rebooted before the second red line loaded.
@Bu@"Buckwoody Egger", did you actually see a shirt?  (I assume you did).  

Buckwoody Egger

Sorry you experienced that browser event. 

Fundraiser for yard signs by a folk artist in Savannah, Georgia. 

https://www.instagram.com/panhandle_slim_/

https://www.trustpilot.com/review/bonfire.com?page=3

It seems legit it to me.

Botch

Thanks.  I LOVE that t-shirt, but no one here in UT would get it (fortunately only the top-half here got my “Make Orwell Fiction Again” cap; I hope to be burning it within the next year).  

JohnInCarolina