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Roe v Wade Overturned

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  • lousubcap
    lousubcap Posts: 31,950
    Abortion is such a personal issue.  Granted the fetus does not have a voice but I am quite sure there is plenty of soul-searching involved in whichever way the woman/couple decides.  We (guys) can talk, post, email and posture anywhere  as much as we want but we are not in the direct line of impact here.  
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  • nolaegghead
    nolaegghead Posts: 42,101
    edited June 2022
    Legume said:
    You baby killing libs are a hoot. Don't worry...a woman will still have the freedom to murder her child if they wish so you guys won't have to pony up any child support.
    Trying to stay true to your gun control logic, you can’t stop women from having an abortion if they want to abort a pregnancy.  Making it illegal just means they’ll seek ways that break the law and are unsafe.  So why make it illegal or put limits on it?
    So why stop there? Why not allow the woman to kill the baby a month or two after the birth? If its a burden mentally or financially, just allow her to kill it and get out from the "mistake". 

    My reason to make this illegal is because its a living baby. No matter if its inside a stomach or in a basinet. 
    Inside a stomach!?  For the record I’m against eating babies.
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  • JohnInCarolina
    JohnInCarolina Posts: 30,704
    The female anatomy can be a real mystery to some…
    "I've made a note never to piss you two off." - Stike
  • nolaegghead
    nolaegghead Posts: 42,101
    I remember fondly when I was in my mother’s stomach…. Sigh
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  • dmchicago
    dmchicago Posts: 4,516
    Pretty soon the Supreme Court is going to take away a woman’s right to stick her finger down her throat.
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  • nolaegghead
    nolaegghead Posts: 42,101
    edited June 2022
    Wildman Wilson: virtue signaling so we know he’s no savage.  Way to go, Wildman!
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  • nolaegghead
    nolaegghead Posts: 42,101
    Really that was refreshing.  Most conservatives don’t give AF *after* some one else’s baby is born.  
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  • Ozzie_Isaac
    Ozzie_Isaac Posts: 18,842
    edited June 2022
    I do not pretend to know when a fetus become a person.  I do know if you put love in someone's tummy, the question will never come up.

    https://youtu.be/_5jM17cKyuw
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  • Ozzie_Isaac
    Ozzie_Isaac Posts: 18,842
    This song also seems apropos

    https://youtu.be/vEfQozMBSOY
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  • HeavyG
    HeavyG Posts: 10,290
    Legume said:
    You baby killing libs are a hoot. Don't worry...a woman will still have the freedom to murder her child if they wish so you guys won't have to pony up any child support.
    Trying to stay true to your gun control logic, you can’t stop women from having an abortion if they want to abort a pregnancy.  Making it illegal just means they’ll seek ways that break the law and are unsafe.  So why make it illegal or put limits on it?
    So why stop there? Why not allow the woman to kill the baby a month or two after the birth? If its a burden mentally or financially, just allow her to kill it and get out from the "mistake". 

    My reason to make this illegal is because its a living baby. No matter if its inside a stomach or in a basinet. 

    According to the Chistian bible a baby isn't a person with a soul until it draws its first breath.
    I'll leave it to you to ask your OB-GYN when first breath occurs.


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  • Ozzie_Isaac
    Ozzie_Isaac Posts: 18,842
    HeavyG said:
    Legume said:
    You baby killing libs are a hoot. Don't worry...a woman will still have the freedom to murder her child if they wish so you guys won't have to pony up any child support.
    Trying to stay true to your gun control logic, you can’t stop women from having an abortion if they want to abort a pregnancy.  Making it illegal just means they’ll seek ways that break the law and are unsafe.  So why make it illegal or put limits on it?
    So why stop there? Why not allow the woman to kill the baby a month or two after the birth? If its a burden mentally or financially, just allow her to kill it and get out from the "mistake". 

    My reason to make this illegal is because its a living baby. No matter if its inside a stomach or in a basinet. 

    According to the Chistian bible a baby isn't a person with a soul until it draws its first breath.
    I'll leave it to you to ask your OB-GYN when first breath occurs.


    To be fair, the Bible says hundreds of things that can be interpreted about a baby and life.  Some mention breath, but not that explicitly.  There is also a passage about being able to fine a man who hits your pregnant wife and makes the baby come out.

    However, the government shouldn't legislate based on a religious belief. So the entire discussion is a red herring.


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  • dmchicago
    dmchicago Posts: 4,516
    Turns out wwwilson has a big brain. 


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  • nolaegghead
    nolaegghead Posts: 42,101
    A very stable genius
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  • JohnInCarolina
    JohnInCarolina Posts: 30,704
    Dennis when the team texted you to “drop the turd” that is not what we meant!  
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  • dmchicago
    dmchicago Posts: 4,516
    Dennis when the team texted you to “drop the turd” that is not what we meant!  
    🤷‍♂️
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  • JohnInCarolina
    JohnInCarolina Posts: 30,704
    HeavyG said:
    Legume said:
    You baby killing libs are a hoot. Don't worry...a woman will still have the freedom to murder her child if they wish so you guys won't have to pony up any child support.
    Trying to stay true to your gun control logic, you can’t stop women from having an abortion if they want to abort a pregnancy.  Making it illegal just means they’ll seek ways that break the law and are unsafe.  So why make it illegal or put limits on it?
    So why stop there? Why not allow the woman to kill the baby a month or two after the birth? If its a burden mentally or financially, just allow her to kill it and get out from the "mistake". 

    My reason to make this illegal is because its a living baby. No matter if its inside a stomach or in a basinet. 

    According to the Chistian bible a baby isn't a person with a soul until it draws its first breath.
    I'll leave it to you to ask your OB-GYN when first breath occurs.


    To be fair, the Bible says hundreds of things that can be interpreted about a baby and life.  Some mention breath, but not that explicitly.  There is also a passage about being able to fine a man who hits your pregnant wife and makes the baby come out.

    However, the government shouldn't legislate based on a religious belief. So the entire discussion is a red herring.


    I absolutely agree with your last paragraph, unfortunately the history of laws in this country are inherently connected to religious beliefs.  For abortion, much has hinged on the notion of “when life begins”.

    I think that prior to Roe, much of the religious right in this country held the view that life begins at first breath.  That changed right after Roe (which should make you question how religious it ever really was) to become “at conception”.  
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  • Legume
    Legume Posts: 14,566
    We could ban eating pork and beef, because some religions…
  • Botch
    Botch Posts: 15,380
    edited July 2022
    HeavyG said:
    According to the Chistian bible a baby isn't a person with a soul until it draws its first breath. 
    Can you give me the book/chapter/verse?  That would be  very useful to me.  
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  • Ozzie_Isaac
    Ozzie_Isaac Posts: 18,842
    edited July 2022
    Botch said:
    HeavyG said:
    According to the Chistian bible a baby isn't a person with a soul until it draws its first breath. 
    Can you give me the book/chapter/verse?  That would be  very useful to me.  
    Genesis 2:7 is one of the common ones.

    However, here is an interesting read if you are curious, generally you find current interpretations do not subscribe to that view.

    https://www.str.org/w/does-bible-teach-life-begins-first-breath
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  • HeavyG
    HeavyG Posts: 10,290
    HeavyG said:
    Legume said:
    You baby killing libs are a hoot. Don't worry...a woman will still have the freedom to murder her child if they wish so you guys won't have to pony up any child support.
    Trying to stay true to your gun control logic, you can’t stop women from having an abortion if they want to abort a pregnancy.  Making it illegal just means they’ll seek ways that break the law and are unsafe.  So why make it illegal or put limits on it?
    So why stop there? Why not allow the woman to kill the baby a month or two after the birth? If its a burden mentally or financially, just allow her to kill it and get out from the "mistake". 

    My reason to make this illegal is because its a living baby. No matter if its inside a stomach or in a basinet. 

    According to the Chistian bible a baby isn't a person with a soul until it draws its first breath.
    I'll leave it to you to ask your OB-GYN when first breath occurs.


    To be fair, the Bible says hundreds of things that can be interpreted about a baby and life.  Some mention breath, but not that explicitly.  There is also a passage about being able to fine a man who hits your pregnant wife and makes the baby come out.

    However, the government shouldn't legislate based on a religious belief. So the entire discussion is a red herring.



    Yeah, to be fair, the Christian religion's primary text says all kinds of things about, well, all kinds of things.
    The relevant point tho is that Jesus said absolutely nothing about abortion and that the Old Testament is full of examples of God approving/mandating the killing of fetuses and living breathing children.
    It wasn't that long ago (1973) when a former President of the Southern Baptist Convention said:
    “I have always felt that it was only after a child was born and had a life separate from its mother that it became an individual person, and it has always, therefore, seemed to me that what is best for the mother and for the future should be allowed."

    I certainly agree with you that religious dogma shouldn't be used to legislate, however, most members of Congress and many state/local legislators are apt to disagree.


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  • FarmingPhD
    FarmingPhD Posts: 837
    edited July 2022
    The Genesis 2:7 reference isn’t comparable as it is talking of forming Adam from dust, there is no womb.
    2:7  then the Lord God formed the man of dust from the ground and breathed into his nostrils the breath of life, and the man became a living creature.
    You want a reference of some verses of God knowing us in the womb -
    https://www.openbible.info/topics/god_knew_us_before_we_were_born

    The vitriol spewed at Christian’s is pretty disheartening in here, I don’t know who caused you so much pain, but most of us are just humble sinners who are seeking God’s grace and do much more than you know to support our communities.  Speaking for myself, I fail every day to live up to Christ’s example, but there is still tomorrow.  I have honestly stopped and prayed for all of you several times since this thread started because I have struggled to find words that are constructive and God does not need my defense.

    I am pro-life, pro women’s health, believe fathers should be responsible, and these things can and should exist without abortion.  I am not going to pretend I know how to get all these to happen together, but the solution should not be to end the life of an unborn child.  
    I’ve said my peace and will exit.
  • JohnInCarolina
    JohnInCarolina Posts: 30,704
    edited July 2022
    The Genesis 2:7 reference isn’t comparable as it is talking of forming Adam from dust, there is no womb.
    2:7  then the Lord God formed the man of dust from the ground and breathed into his nostrils the breath of life, and the man became a living creature.
    You want a reference of some verses of God knowing us in the womb -
    https://www.openbible.info/topics/god_knew_us_before_we_were_born

    The vitriol spewed at Christian’s is pretty disheartening in here, I don’t know who caused you so much pain, but most of us are just humble sinners who are seeking God’s grace and do much more than you know to support our communities.  Speaking for myself, I fail every day to live up to Christ’s example, but there is still tomorrow.  I have honestly stopped and prayed for all of you several times since this thread started because I have struggled to find words that are constructive and God does not need my defense.

    I am pro-life, pro women’s health, believe fathers should be responsible, and these things can and should exist without abortion.  I am not going to pretend I know how to get all these to happen together, but the solution should not be to end the life of an unborn child.  
    I’ve said my peace and will exit.
    I don’t really see much vitriol spewed at Christians here.  By the way I was raised RC and while I no longer belong to that denomination, I do belong to the UCC and consider myself a Christian.  Like many things, Christians are not some homogenous block of people.

    And there is more than one religion, obviously.  I’ve had people from all walks of life and all kinds of faiths in my house.  I’ve spent time in predominantly Muslim and Hindu countries.   Views and opinions vary significantly.  That’s why I just don’t understand why anyone would insist their own particular religious views be imposed on everyone by the federal government.  

    As for abortions themselves… man.  Walk a mile in a pregnant mother’s shoes, one who has decided to get that genetic test and discovers that the child has a defect that will prevent it from living much more than a day after birth.  That is a gut wrenching decision I wouldn’t wish on anyone, but the point is that it should be their decision to make, and that right shouldn’t happen to be a function of which state they live in.  If that doesn’t make you think twice then consider the other terrible scenarios like rape or incest.  The only reason Roe was overturned is because we live in a nation where most of the laws are written by men. 

    Peace.
    "I've made a note never to piss you two off." - Stike
  • Legume
    Legume Posts: 14,566
    edited July 2022
    I would personally have a tough time making a decision to abort a pregnancy, not sure I could do it, but I haven’t been faced with that kind of a dilemma.  I don’t judge those that do and I don’t pretend to know what is best for someone else and I certainly don’t think legislating this makes any sense at all.  Find another way to win hearts and minds.

    It strikes me as contradictory that with the gun control issue there is insistence on money for mental health support, hardening schools, etc., anything but bringing sense to gun law, but with abortion, where is the cry for support for mothers, babies and families when abortion is taken away as an option?

    @FarmingPhD I know you didn’t bring up the gun control issue, I’m speaking generally.
  • FarmingPhD
    FarmingPhD Posts: 837
    The Genesis 2:7 reference isn’t comparable as it is talking of forming Adam from dust, there is no womb.
    2:7  then the Lord God formed the man of dust from the ground and breathed into his nostrils the breath of life, and the man became a living creature.
    You want a reference of some verses of God knowing us in the womb -
    https://www.openbible.info/topics/god_knew_us_before_we_were_born

    The vitriol spewed at Christian’s is pretty disheartening in here, I don’t know who caused you so much pain, but most of us are just humble sinners who are seeking God’s grace and do much more than you know to support our communities.  Speaking for myself, I fail every day to live up to Christ’s example, but there is still tomorrow.  I have honestly stopped and prayed for all of you several times since this thread started because I have struggled to find words that are constructive and God does not need my defense.

    I am pro-life, pro women’s health, believe fathers should be responsible, and these things can and should exist without abortion.  I am not going to pretend I know how to get all these to happen together, but the solution should not be to end the life of an unborn child.  
    I’ve said my peace and will exit.
    I don’t really see much vitriol spewed at Christians here.  By the way I was raised RC and while I no longer belong to that denomination, I do belong to the UCC and consider myself a Christian.  Like many things, Christians are not some homogenous block of people.

    And there is more than one religion, obviously.  I’ve had people from all walks of life and all kinds of faiths in my house.  I’ve spent time in predominantly Muslim and Hindu countries.   Views and opinions vary significantly.  That’s why I just don’t understand why anyone would insist their own particular religious views be imposed on everyone by the federal government.  

    As for abortions themselves… man.  Walk a mile in a pregnant mother’s shoes, one who has decided to get that genetic test and discovers that the child has a defect that will prevent it from living much more than a day after birth.  That is a gut wrenching decision I wouldn’t wish on anyone, but the point is that it should be their decision to make, and that right shouldn’t happen to be a function of which state they live in.  If that doesn’t make you think twice then consider the other terrible scenarios like rape or incest.  The only reason Roe was overturned is because we live in a nation where most of the laws are written by men. 

    Peace.
    John - Christ was a defender of women, children, and life. He provided forgiveness, but he did not remove the consequences of sin in this life.  There are likely some valued lessons we can all learn from reading his teachings frequently.

    Is the life of a special needs person worth less than a normal person? When is a life worth protecting?  Do you want abortions up until birth? Where do you draw a line?  The unborn child has no voice and is ignored.


    Roe was overturned because it should have never been passed and Alito’s opinion is well rounded supporting this.  There is a reason it references the constitution multiple times and the dissents do not.  This is doing what the judicial branch is supposed to do by ruling on text and intent, not the whim of the public opinion or emotion.  Roe was legislation from the bench and even Ginsberg admitted this.  The rights for now have been returned to the states.

    Trying to find the darn study, statistic somewhere, mothers of all people are the largest group of pro-lifers.  This also shifts by age group, the older you are, the more pro-life.  Might be some wisdom for folks in those numbers.


     @Legume we should support mothers and hold fathers accountable, one “mistake” should not lead to more poor choices.  Careful- this is a whatboutism ;), Gun control is a whole other subject, I’m a 2a supporter, but there needs to be some smart reforms and consequences for things that may help.  The troubling part is our countries long standing freedoms and access to fire arms and we developed real issues into the 21st century. What changed that led to this is what we should focus on (root cause not symptoms).
  • Gulfcoastguy
    Gulfcoastguy Posts: 6,250
    I had a friend in college named George. He was raised RC but majored in art. He had a first serious girlfriend and they became pregnant. They went to see Private Benjamin. His girlfriend took the military placement exam and scored one of the highest recorded scores in cryptography. She was offered a very large cash bonus to enlist. Of course there was just one little problem. But the Jackson abortion clinic was only an hours drive away and she now had plenty of cash. She aborted his baby and joined the military without his consent or even discussing it. It messed him up bad enough that he dropped out and wandered the US for a year . He eventually came back and got a graduate degree in foreign languages and later had several children with a Chinese lady that he married. But I imagine every Father’s Day he sees that one is missing.
  • Legume
    Legume Posts: 14,566
    The Genesis 2:7 reference isn’t comparable as it is talking of forming Adam from dust, there is no womb.
    2:7  then the Lord God formed the man of dust from the ground and breathed into his nostrils the breath of life, and the man became a living creature.
    You want a reference of some verses of God knowing us in the womb -
    https://www.openbible.info/topics/god_knew_us_before_we_were_born

    The vitriol spewed at Christian’s is pretty disheartening in here, I don’t know who caused you so much pain, but most of us are just humble sinners who are seeking God’s grace and do much more than you know to support our communities.  Speaking for myself, I fail every day to live up to Christ’s example, but there is still tomorrow.  I have honestly stopped and prayed for all of you several times since this thread started because I have struggled to find words that are constructive and God does not need my defense.

    I am pro-life, pro women’s health, believe fathers should be responsible, and these things can and should exist without abortion.  I am not going to pretend I know how to get all these to happen together, but the solution should not be to end the life of an unborn child.  
    I’ve said my peace and will exit.
    I don’t really see much vitriol spewed at Christians here.  By the way I was raised RC and while I no longer belong to that denomination, I do belong to the UCC and consider myself a Christian.  Like many things, Christians are not some homogenous block of people.

    And there is more than one religion, obviously.  I’ve had people from all walks of life and all kinds of faiths in my house.  I’ve spent time in predominantly Muslim and Hindu countries.   Views and opinions vary significantly.  That’s why I just don’t understand why anyone would insist their own particular religious views be imposed on everyone by the federal government.  

    As for abortions themselves… man.  Walk a mile in a pregnant mother’s shoes, one who has decided to get that genetic test and discovers that the child has a defect that will prevent it from living much more than a day after birth.  That is a gut wrenching decision I wouldn’t wish on anyone, but the point is that it should be their decision to make, and that right shouldn’t happen to be a function of which state they live in.  If that doesn’t make you think twice then consider the other terrible scenarios like rape or incest.  The only reason Roe was overturned is because we live in a nation where most of the laws are written by men. 

    Peace.
    John - Christ was a defender of women, children, and life. He provided forgiveness, but he did not remove the consequences of sin in this life.  There are likely some valued lessons we can all learn from reading his teachings frequently.

    Is the life of a special needs person worth less than a normal person? When is a life worth protecting?  Do you want abortions up until birth? Where do you draw a line?  The unborn child has no voice and is ignored.


    Roe was overturned because it should have never been passed and Alito’s opinion is well rounded supporting this.  There is a reason it references the constitution multiple times and the dissents do not.  This is doing what the judicial branch is supposed to do by ruling on text and intent, not the whim of the public opinion or emotion.  Roe was legislation from the bench and even Ginsberg admitted this.  The rights for now have been returned to the states.

    Trying to find the darn study, statistic somewhere, mothers of all people are the largest group of pro-lifers.  This also shifts by age group, the older you are, the more pro-life.  Might be some wisdom for folks in those numbers.


     @Legume we should support mothers and hold fathers accountable, one “mistake” should not lead to more poor choices.  Careful- this is a whatboutism ;), Gun control is a whole other subject, I’m a 2a supporter, but there needs to be some smart reforms and consequences for things that may help.  The troubling part is our countries long standing freedoms and access to fire arms and we developed real issues into the 21st century. What changed that led to this is what we should focus on (root cause not symptoms).
    Not intended to be whataboutism.  I’m not trying to switch to a debate on gun control, I’m pointing out the inconsistency in the approach.  If I don’t want actual gun control, then I put focus on the people issues because guns don’t kill people.  With abortion, we’re seeing states ban it but not address the people issues.  I won’t hold my breath waiting for a push for better social and economic support for the increase in children born into poverty that’s coming in these states banning it. It’s one thing to be satisfied that Roe is overturned, but can you really be aligned with how that’s being manifested in several of the states leading the charge now?  I don’t read any compassion into what is being done in states like Texas.  The politicians driving this do not think or feel as you do.

    Agree re root causes, but even the seatbelt doesn’t address a root cause and it’s been incredibly effective.  Complex problems require multifaceted and sustained solutions.
  • JohnInCarolina
    JohnInCarolina Posts: 30,704
    John - Christ was a defender of women, children, and life. He provided forgiveness, but he did not remove the consequences of sin in this life.  There are likely some valued lessons we can all learn from reading his teachings frequently.

    Is the life of a special needs person worth less than a normal person? When is a life worth protecting?  Do you want abortions up until birth? Where do you draw a line?  The unborn child has no voice and is ignored.


    Roe was overturned because it should have never been passed and Alito’s opinion is well rounded supporting this.  There is a reason it references the constitution multiple times and the dissents do not.  This is doing what the judicial branch is supposed to do by ruling on text and intent, not the whim of the public opinion or emotion.  Roe was legislation from the bench and even Ginsberg admitted this.  The rights for now have been returned to the states.

    Trying to find the darn study, statistic somewhere, mothers of all people are the largest group of pro-lifers.  This also shifts by age group, the older you are, the more pro-life.  Might be some wisdom for folks in those numbers.


     @Legume we should support mothers and hold fathers accountable, one “mistake” should not lead to more poor choices.  Careful- this is a whatboutism ;), Gun control is a whole other subject, I’m a 2a supporter, but there needs to be some smart reforms and consequences for things that may help.  The troubling part is our countries long standing freedoms and access to fire arms and we developed real issues into the 21st century. What changed that led to this is what we should focus on (root cause not symptoms).
    I thought you had exited ;)

    No argument on Christ.  My problem with a lot of the religious right is that while they all clearly believe in JC, they don't appear to believe much of anything he said.

    You indicated that the "unborn child" has no voice and is ignored.  Well... when is it a "child" exactly?  I would hope that we would both agree that a clump of cells does not constitute a child.  I also think it's really unfortunate to indicate that the child is being ignored.  It's certainly not being ignored by the mother in the vast majority of cases, wouldn't you agree?  At question is who is meant to be the voice of the child.  Is it the mother, or is it the state?  

    These are tough questions, I don't think anyone thinks otherwise.  People in this country have very different views as to the morality of terminating a pregnancy, even in its early stages.  And on some level I think we can also understand that the state has some role in advocating for the unborn.  So what should we do when our goals and our values conflict with one another?  Well, here Roe and Casey struck a balance.  They held that the state could ban abortions after fetal viability, as long as there were exceptions for the mother's life or health.  But until the viability line was crossed, it held that the state could not impose on the woman's right to choose, in light of all the circumstances and complexities of her own life.  These include, for example, her and her family's ability to care for the child after it was born.  Or if the pregnancy resulted from a rape, or incest.  I see that you did not even address those situations in your response to me.

    You indicated that the dissent does not reference the constitution.  This is false, and it actually makes me wonder if you even read it?  Because the fact of the matter is that it references the constitution at length.  What you might be referring to is the notion that this is an unenumerated right, that it wasn't explicitly written into the constitution.  This is in fact the main argument of the majority, that the right to an abortion isn't "deeply rooted in history".  But this is kind of crazy.  There are all sorts of things the founding fathers didn't consider, largely because they couldn't possibly have given the times.  Does all of that have to be left to the states?  How do you feel about the rights to contraception, or interracial marriage, or same-sex marriage?  Do you think all of those should also be left to the states, as Judge Thomas seems to suggest (except interracial marriage of course - curious that he overlooked that one!).

    People on the right like to tell themselves that all this court did was interpret the constitution as is their job.  Well previous courts that passed Roe and then upheld Casey were also interpreting the constitution.  I would suggest to you that the constitution really hasn't changed, but what did change was the composition of the court, and that's clearly why this was overturned.  Full stop.  

    Finally you reference the study of mothers being the biggest supporters of pro-life policies.  I find that a bit odd given that in the previous breath you indicated the role of the SC isn't to rule on the basis of popular opinion.    
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  • lousubcap
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    President Biden has endorsed making an exception to filibuster rules to pass legislation codifying Roe v. Wade into law. “The most important thing to be clear about is we have to codify Roe v. Wade into law and the way to do that is to make sure Congress votes to do that,” Biden told reporters. “And if the filibuster gets in the way, it’s like voting rights, it should be provided an exception for this…to the filibuster,” he said. The filibuster could be changed with a simple majority vote, but not all Democrats in the 50-50 Senate are on board with such a move, saying it would fundamentally change the nature of the Senate and could backfire if the Republican Party takes control of the chamber. Andrew Restuccia and Ken Thomas report for the Wall Street Journal.
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  • Ozzie_Isaac
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    lousubcap said:
    President Biden has endorsed making an exception to filibuster rules to pass legislation codifying Roe v. Wade into law. “The most important thing to be clear about is we have to codify Roe v. Wade into law and the way to do that is to make sure Congress votes to do that,” Biden told reporters. “And if the filibuster gets in the way, it’s like voting rights, it should be provided an exception for this…to the filibuster,” he said. The filibuster could be changed with a simple majority vote, but not all Democrats in the 50-50 Senate are on board with such a move, saying it would fundamentally change the nature of the Senate and could backfire if the Republican Party takes control of the chamber. Andrew Restuccia and Ken Thomas report for the Wall Street Journal.
    The republicans set the stage for this.  If they Democrats had some strategy, they would campaign like crazy and pickup enough seats in November.  Then they get the really high road.

    This bell cannot be unrung.  I would hope they cpuld find 10 Republicans out of the 50 to pass regularly.
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