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Tesla - Any owners?
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I know very little about them but I see them around. I always wonder how they handle the local climate. 3 weeks ago it was -20 temp with wind chill around -35 below zero. Also regardless of the drive train, salt is used to de-ice roads and that will eventually have an impact on the body. What’s the sense of buying one if they are going to rust at the same rate as a gasoline powered vehicle. Again, I know very little about themMankato, MN - LBGE
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The refreshed models all have a heat pump now I think. Supposed to make a big difference. Range on the older models without a heat pump really takes a dump in cold weather. You get used to it and figure it out thoughEoin said:
A lot. Not just in heat. If you're not plugged in, you use power just to get the battery warmed up, then run the heating. Cold air, more density, less range. Head wind, more drag, less range. Wet roads, more drag, less range. Plug a route into abetterrouteplanner at 25C, dry, no wind and then 0C, 20 mph head wind and rain. You'll see the difference.dbCooper said:I have direct experience (not as an owner) with hybrid vehicles, none with full on EV's. A point I've wondered about is passenger climate controls, heat in winter, a/c in summer. How much does their usage impact the range between charges?L, S, MM, Mini
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The steering wheel on the refreshed Model S is a deal breaker. Almost put a deposit down, but not driving with a Night Rider steering wheel. Cannot order any older models either.
They don’t want a population of citizens capable of critical thinking. They don’t want well informed, well educated people capable of critical thinking. They’re not interested in that. That doesn’t help them. That's against their interests. - George Carlin -
For the love of God brother Ozzie, buy a big diesel or at a minimum a high horsepower V8 gas burner. Don’t go to the dark side brother.Ozzie_Isaac said:Almost put a deposit down
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Not for me, for the wife. I have a nice 6.7L Cummins Single rear wheel 3/4 ton. I plan to upgrade to a dually mega cab in the next few years. Depends on what the tax man says though. I paid him enough for a really nice full loaded Platinum Edition F350 this year.SGH said:
For the love of God brother Ozzie, buy a big diesel or at a minimum a high horsepower V8 gas burner. Don’t go to the dark side brother.Ozzie_Isaac said:Almost put a deposit downThey don’t want a population of citizens capable of critical thinking. They don’t want well informed, well educated people capable of critical thinking. They’re not interested in that. That doesn’t help them. That's against their interests. - George Carlin -
I know the feeling brother. The hit me hard too. It’s sickening what they take from hard working people.Ozzie_Isaac said:I paid him enough for a really nice full loaded Platinum Edition F350 this year.Location- Just "this side" of Biloxi, Ms.
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It's an option I didn't know about at the time on the i3. I would have bought it, with what I know now.Tbent said:
The refreshed models all have a heat pump now I think. Supposed to make a big difference. Range on the older models without a heat pump really takes a dump in cold weather. You get used to it and figure it out thoughEoin said:
A lot. Not just in heat. If you're not plugged in, you use power just to get the battery warmed up, then run the heating. Cold air, more density, less range. Head wind, more drag, less range. Wet roads, more drag, less range. Plug a route into abetterrouteplanner at 25C, dry, no wind and then 0C, 20 mph head wind and rain. You'll see the difference.dbCooper said:I have direct experience (not as an owner) with hybrid vehicles, none with full on EV's. A point I've wondered about is passenger climate controls, heat in winter, a/c in summer. How much does their usage impact the range between charges? -
Did you manage to find another job, Scottie? Or are you still out of work since the election?SGH said:
I know the feeling brother. The hit me hard too. It’s sickening what they take from hard working people.Ozzie_Isaac said:I paid him enough for a really nice full loaded Platinum Edition F350 this year."I've made a note never to piss you two off." - Stike -
That’s too bad. I don’t think I ever shared this with you, but for some reason I’ve always thought you look a lot like the Hoff:Ozzie_Isaac said:The steering wheel on the refreshed Model S is a deal breaker. Almost put a deposit down, but not driving with a Night Rider steering wheel. Cannot order any older models either.
"I've made a note never to piss you two off." - Stike -
Yeah the yoke steering wheel is stupid. Not practical and not safe. There were rumors that a standard round wheel would be an option but I don’t think that’s the case yet. I hope they don’t put the yoke in the truck.Ozzie_Isaac said:The steering wheel on the refreshed Model S is a deal breaker. Almost put a deposit down, but not driving with a Night Rider steering wheel. Cannot order any older models either.L, S, MM, Mini
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But what does the boss say about the wheel?Ozzie_Isaac said:The steering wheel on the refreshed Model S is a deal breaker. Almost put a deposit down, but not driving with a Night Rider steering wheel. Cannot order any older models either. -
It is a good look.JohnInCarolina said:
That’s too bad. I don’t think I ever shared this with you, but for some reason I’ve always thought you look a lot like the Hoff:Ozzie_Isaac said:The steering wheel on the refreshed Model S is a deal breaker. Almost put a deposit down, but not driving with a Night Rider steering wheel. Cannot order any older models either. -
Can’t pull it off without the horse, and Ozzie had those. Or maybe they’re donkeys. Whatever, I digress.Eoin said:
It is a good look.JohnInCarolina said:
That’s too bad. I don’t think I ever shared this with you, but for some reason I’ve always thought you look a lot like the Hoff:Ozzie_Isaac said:The steering wheel on the refreshed Model S is a deal breaker. Almost put a deposit down, but not driving with a Night Rider steering wheel. Cannot order any older models either."I've made a note never to piss you two off." - Stike -
I must say, I do not disagree with the comparison. I regularly ride dressed like thatJohnInCarolina said:
That’s too bad. I don’t think I ever shared this with you, but for some reason I’ve always thought you look a lot like the Hoff:Ozzie_Isaac said:The steering wheel on the refreshed Model S is a deal breaker. Almost put a deposit down, but not driving with a Night Rider steering wheel. Cannot order any older models either.They don’t want a population of citizens capable of critical thinking. They don’t want well informed, well educated people capable of critical thinking. They’re not interested in that. That doesn’t help them. That's against their interests. - George Carlin -
She is the one who said NO WAY. She was actually very upset with Elon. I tried to explain that is how Tesla operates. Throw stuff at the wall and see what sticks. She fell in love with the last gen Tesla Model S Performamce that she drove. When she saw renderings of the new layout she was not happy at all.Gulfcoastguy said:
But what does the boss say about the wheel?Ozzie_Isaac said:The steering wheel on the refreshed Model S is a deal breaker. Almost put a deposit down, but not driving with a Night Rider steering wheel. Cannot order any older models either.They don’t want a population of citizens capable of critical thinking. They don’t want well informed, well educated people capable of critical thinking. They’re not interested in that. That doesn’t help them. That's against their interests. - George Carlin -
Will a large dog do? I don't have a horse.JohnInCarolina said:
Can’t pull it off without the horse, and Ozzie had those. Or maybe they’re donkeys. Whatever, I digress.Eoin said:
It is a good look.JohnInCarolina said:
That’s too bad. I don’t think I ever shared this with you, but for some reason I’ve always thought you look a lot like the Hoff:Ozzie_Isaac said:The steering wheel on the refreshed Model S is a deal breaker. Almost put a deposit down, but not driving with a Night Rider steering wheel. Cannot order any older models either. -
You goin' Putin on us??
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Only bitches ride with shirts.Ozzie_Isaac said:
I must say, I do not disagree with the comparison. I regularly ride dressed like thatJohnInCarolina said:
That’s too bad. I don’t think I ever shared this with you, but for some reason I’ve always thought you look a lot like the Hoff:Ozzie_Isaac said:The steering wheel on the refreshed Model S is a deal breaker. Almost put a deposit down, but not driving with a Night Rider steering wheel. Cannot order any older models either.
"Social media gives legions of idiots the right to speak when they once only spoke at a bar after a glass of wine, without harming the community [...] but now they have the same right to speak as a Nobel Prize winner. It's the invasion of the idiots."
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November 3rd was my last day. Haven’t found anything since. I have a couple of prospects though. Keeping my fingers crossed 🤞JohnInCarolina said:Did you manage to find another job, Scottie? Or are you still out of work since the election?Location- Just "this side" of Biloxi, Ms.
Status- Standing by.
The greatest barrier against all wisdom, the stronghold against knowledge itself, is the single thought, in ones mind, that they already have it all figured out. -
Anus inspector, perhaps?SGH said:
November 3rd was my last day. Haven’t found anything since. I have a couple of prospects though. Keeping my fingers crossed 🤞JohnInCarolina said:Did you manage to find another job, Scottie? Or are you still out of work since the election?
Just kidding brother, I hope you find something soon."I've made a note never to piss you two off." - Stike -
My brother has one. It’s a model 3. I think he got it because that’s what the cool kids drive. Perhaps a bit of virtue signaling too. It’s his DD and used for trips around town. He has a couple other vehicles (gas and diesel) for long hauls and traveling. I can’t afford that approach. My commuter car is my travel car. Maybe one day.Michiana, South of the border.
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How about a Porsche Taycan . They beat the epa rating on the highway by a large margin. She could have bragging right in the eco community and the Speed Racers.
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Well, after lots of searching, test driving, and contemplating, she went with a Yukon Denali, she got the 6.2L V8. Pretty impressed overall. Now waiting for the GM factory supercharger to be released (she doesn't know that yet).
As much as I loved the insane acceleration of the Tesla, I admit, I am tickled she went with a proper car and an old school big displacement V8.They don’t want a population of citizens capable of critical thinking. They don’t want well informed, well educated people capable of critical thinking. They’re not interested in that. That doesn’t help them. That's against their interests. - George Carlin -
Nice. My wife wants a Yukon Denali but I'm trying to convince her to wait on the big EV SUVs. I'm scared to make a major investment on a gasoline automobile until I see how this all plays out.South of Nashville - BGE XL - Alfresco 42" ALXE - Alfresco Versa Burner - Sunbeam Microwave
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EVs being prone to highlight inefficiency, a big SUV EV isn't the best idea. A big battery can hide the problem, until you have to find a charger fast enough to fill up all of those kWh in a reasonable length of time. We are definitely approaching a technology change, but 'what to' is a big question. Battery electric is ideally suited to small, light vehicles. Maybe big SUVs will end up hydrogen or bio diesel or ethanol, small stuff as EVs. Anyway, agreed on big, new purchases now - the wrong time to jump.SonVolt said:Nice. My wife wants a Yukon Denali but I'm trying to convince her to wait on the big EV SUVs. I'm scared to make a major investment on a gasoline automobile until I see how this all plays out. -
Nah. Even buses will scale. I think this really boils down to an infrastructure issue as the charging stations are mostly made for relatively small vehicles. The rate and scale of charge is an engineering problem with an engineering solution. We're starting out with baby steps, but as big trucks are electrified, there will be charging stations that will handle it commensurate with the scale, eventually.Eoin said:
EVs being prone to highlight inefficiency, a big SUV EV isn't the best idea. A big battery can hide the problem, until you have to find a charger fast enough to fill up all of those kWh in a reasonable length of time. We are definitely approaching a technology change, but 'what to' is a big question. Battery electric is ideally suited to small, light vehicles. Maybe big SUVs will end up hydrogen or bio diesel or ethanol, small stuff as EVs. Anyway, agreed on big, new purchases now - the wrong time to jump.SonVolt said:Nice. My wife wants a Yukon Denali but I'm trying to convince her to wait on the big EV SUVs. I'm scared to make a major investment on a gasoline automobile until I see how this all plays out.
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It's going to need a big step in battery technology. Big loads are easy with an EV, moving big loads a long distance isn't.nolaegghead said:
Nah. Even buses will scale. I think this really boils down to an infrastructure issue as the charging stations are mostly made for relatively small vehicles. The rate and scale of charge is an engineering problem with an engineering solution. We're starting out with baby steps, but as big trucks are electrified, there will be charging stations that will handle it commensurate with the scale, eventually.Eoin said:
EVs being prone to highlight inefficiency, a big SUV EV isn't the best idea. A big battery can hide the problem, until you have to find a charger fast enough to fill up all of those kWh in a reasonable length of time. We are definitely approaching a technology change, but 'what to' is a big question. Battery electric is ideally suited to small, light vehicles. Maybe big SUVs will end up hydrogen or bio diesel or ethanol, small stuff as EVs. Anyway, agreed on big, new purchases now - the wrong time to jump.SonVolt said:Nice. My wife wants a Yukon Denali but I'm trying to convince her to wait on the big EV SUVs. I'm scared to make a major investment on a gasoline automobile until I see how this all plays out. -
There are a number of solutions to this that exclude bigger batteries. For example:Eoin said:
It's going to need a big step in battery technology. Big loads are easy with an EV, moving big loads a long distance isn't.nolaegghead said:
Nah. Even buses will scale. I think this really boils down to an infrastructure issue as the charging stations are mostly made for relatively small vehicles. The rate and scale of charge is an engineering problem with an engineering solution. We're starting out with baby steps, but as big trucks are electrified, there will be charging stations that will handle it commensurate with the scale, eventually.Eoin said:
EVs being prone to highlight inefficiency, a big SUV EV isn't the best idea. A big battery can hide the problem, until you have to find a charger fast enough to fill up all of those kWh in a reasonable length of time. We are definitely approaching a technology change, but 'what to' is a big question. Battery electric is ideally suited to small, light vehicles. Maybe big SUVs will end up hydrogen or bio diesel or ethanol, small stuff as EVs. Anyway, agreed on big, new purchases now - the wrong time to jump.SonVolt said:Nice. My wife wants a Yukon Denali but I'm trying to convince her to wait on the big EV SUVs. I'm scared to make a major investment on a gasoline automobile until I see how this all plays out.
"World-first in-road charging test for trucks successful, highway speeds next" https://www.greencarreports.com/news/1127520_world-first-in-road-charging-test-for-trucks-successful-highway-speeds-next
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I think a basic battery swap (dead battery out, fresh one in) is a likely path forward. Then the only time needed is for the swap itself, not the charging. Much like stopping for a tank of gas.nolaegghead said:
There are a number of solutions to this that exclude bigger batteries. For example:Eoin said:
It's going to need a big step in battery technology. Big loads are easy with an EV, moving big loads a long distance isn't.nolaegghead said:
Nah. Even buses will scale. I think this really boils down to an infrastructure issue as the charging stations are mostly made for relatively small vehicles. The rate and scale of charge is an engineering problem with an engineering solution. We're starting out with baby steps, but as big trucks are electrified, there will be charging stations that will handle it commensurate with the scale, eventually.Eoin said:
EVs being prone to highlight inefficiency, a big SUV EV isn't the best idea. A big battery can hide the problem, until you have to find a charger fast enough to fill up all of those kWh in a reasonable length of time. We are definitely approaching a technology change, but 'what to' is a big question. Battery electric is ideally suited to small, light vehicles. Maybe big SUVs will end up hydrogen or bio diesel or ethanol, small stuff as EVs. Anyway, agreed on big, new purchases now - the wrong time to jump.SonVolt said:Nice. My wife wants a Yukon Denali but I'm trying to convince her to wait on the big EV SUVs. I'm scared to make a major investment on a gasoline automobile until I see how this all plays out.
"World-first in-road charging test for trucks successful, highway speeds next" https://www.greencarreports.com/news/1127520_world-first-in-road-charging-test-for-trucks-successful-highway-speeds-next"I've made a note never to piss you two off." - Stike -
Tried by Tesla and abandoned as it wasn't viable for passenger cars. Maybe it'll resurface for big batteries in trucks on predictable routes.JohnInCarolina said:
I think a basic battery swap (dead battery out, fresh one in) is a likely path forward. Then the only time needed is for the swap itself, not the charging. Much like stopping for a tank of gas.nolaegghead said:
There are a number of solutions to this that exclude bigger batteries. For example:Eoin said:
It's going to need a big step in battery technology. Big loads are easy with an EV, moving big loads a long distance isn't.nolaegghead said:
Nah. Even buses will scale. I think this really boils down to an infrastructure issue as the charging stations are mostly made for relatively small vehicles. The rate and scale of charge is an engineering problem with an engineering solution. We're starting out with baby steps, but as big trucks are electrified, there will be charging stations that will handle it commensurate with the scale, eventually.Eoin said:
EVs being prone to highlight inefficiency, a big SUV EV isn't the best idea. A big battery can hide the problem, until you have to find a charger fast enough to fill up all of those kWh in a reasonable length of time. We are definitely approaching a technology change, but 'what to' is a big question. Battery electric is ideally suited to small, light vehicles. Maybe big SUVs will end up hydrogen or bio diesel or ethanol, small stuff as EVs. Anyway, agreed on big, new purchases now - the wrong time to jump.SonVolt said:Nice. My wife wants a Yukon Denali but I'm trying to convince her to wait on the big EV SUVs. I'm scared to make a major investment on a gasoline automobile until I see how this all plays out.
"World-first in-road charging test for trucks successful, highway speeds next" https://www.greencarreports.com/news/1127520_world-first-in-road-charging-test-for-trucks-successful-highway-speeds-next
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