What Are You Buying Right Now? (non-OT version)

lousubcap

Never priced truck tires (they carry them) but have reviewed and shopped car tires with them for around 20 years at https://www.tirerack.com/content/tirerack/desktop/en/homepage.html  
Any dealer knows their prices and will match, at least in my experience.  FWIW-

fishlessman

JohnInCarolina said:

TEXASBGE2018 said:

Gulfcoastguy said:

Shopping new tires and my dealer has a 4 for 3 deal. Any opinions on Pirelli Skorpions? It’s that or the Bridgestone Alenzas. The Alenzas are what I have and haven’t held up very well.

Never had scorpions on a truck but had them on my wife's rx350. They are decent. If you have "I don't give a shite" money put Michelins on. But be prepared to replace them in a year or so cause the treadlife sucks on every Michelin tire Ive ever bought. They are however the best handling tire out there. I had a set of cooper tires on my 4runner that I just sold. Had them for almost 50,000 miles and still had 1/3rd of the tread when I sold the truck.

Your experience with Michelins could be the type of tires you put on.  There is quite a bit of variation in life across their family.

In my experience they have the very best tires.  But you pay for them, no question.

TEXASBGE2018 said:

JohnInCarolina said:

TEXASBGE2018 said:

Gulfcoastguy said:

WShopping new tires and my dealer has a 4 for 3 deal. Any opinions on Pirelli Skorpions? It’s that or the Bridgestone Alenzas. The Alenzas are what I have and haven’t held up very well.

Never had scorpions on a truck but had them on my wife's rx350. They are decent. If you have "I don't give a shite" money put Michelins on. But be prepared to replace them in a year or so cause the treadlife sucks on every Michelin tire Ive ever bought. They are however the best handling tire out there. I had a set of cooper tires on my 4runner that I just sold. Had them for almost 50,000 miles and still had 1/3rd of the tread when I sold the truck.

Your experience with Michelins could be the type of tires you put on.  There is quite a bit of variation in life across their family.

In my experience they have the very best tires.  But you pay for them, no question.

Edit: I should add I had alignments done regularly on the 4runner in case some of you might think that was the culprit.

Maybe so, but I dunno. I don't drive aggressively at all and my experience with Michelins has always been with the LTX MS2s which is Michelins top rated truck/suv tire. On my 4runner I've put (3 sets) and the Gx460 (1 set so far)  Great grip, crap tread life. Have never gotten more than 30k miles out of them. Last set I put in the 4runner lasted 26k miles. Every time I've replaced them under warranty because they are supposed to last 60k miles. That helps in the cost but it's definitely not a fluke that I've purchased 4 sets and they all wore out within about 30k miles.

TTEXASBGE2018 said:

JohnInCarolina said:

TEXASBGE2018 said:

Gulfcoastguy said:

Shopping new tires and my dealer has a 4 for 3 deal. Any opinions on Pirelli Skorpions? It’s that or the Bridgestone Alenzas. The Alenzas are what I have and haven’t held up very well.

Never had scorpions on a truck but had them on my wife's rx350. They are decent. If you have "I don't give a shite" money put Michelins on. But be prepared to replace them in a year or so cause the treadlife sucks on every Michelin tire Ive ever bought. They are however the best handling tire out there. I had a set of cooper tires on my 4runner that I just sold. Had them for almost 50,000 miles and still had 1/3rd of the tread when I sold the truck.

Your experience with Michelins could be the type of tires you put on.  There is quite a bit of variation in life across their family.

In my experience they have the very best tires.  But you pay for them, no question.

Edit: I should add I had alignments done regularly on the 4runner in case some of you might think that was the culprit.

Maybe so, but I dunno. I don't drive aggressively at all and my experience with Michelins has always been with the LTX MS2s which is Michelins top rated truck/suv tire. On my 4runner I've put (3 sets) and the Gx460 (1 set so far)  Great grip, crap tread life. Have never gotten more than 30k miles out of them. Last set I put in the 4runner lasted 26k miles. Every time I've replaced them under warranty because they are supposed to last 60k miles. That helps in the cost but it's definitely not a fluke that I've purchased 4 sets and they all wore out within about 30k miles.

TGulfcoastguy said:

Legume said:

Legume said:

I had Scorpions on an F150 about 7 years ago and the wet road traction wasn’t good at all.  I replaced them with Michelins which were much better.  I would take recent reviews and ratings from tire barn and discount over my comments, I’m sure the tires are different now than they were then.

It could have been a few years longer than that and on an Isuzu Trooper now that I think about it, but I do remember the wet road traction being a problem.

Well wet road traction is very important around here. I guess that I will check with the Goodyear store tomorrow.

Those are my least faVorite, Goodyear's typically have soft side walls, more side roll cornering, more prone to side wall punctures, and too soft for rolling over things adding to less clearance. With the Mich ltx tire, there's two road speed ratings, the h rating is a better tire at higher speeds, road wear etc, t rating is a lower speed tire, more roll, more wear, softer but smoother ride. Both have the same tread pattern. The h rated tire is typically a lower profile

Ozzie_Isaac

fishlessman said:

JohnInCarolina said:

TEXASBGE2018 said:

Gulfcoastguy said:

Shopping new tires and my dealer has a 4 for 3 deal. Any opinions on Pirelli Skorpions? It’s that or the Bridgestone Alenzas. The Alenzas are what I have and haven’t held up very well.

Never had scorpions on a truck but had them on my wife's rx350. They are decent. If you have "I don't give a shite" money put Michelins on. But be prepared to replace them in a year or so cause the treadlife sucks on every Michelin tire Ive ever bought. They are however the best handling tire out there. I had a set of cooper tires on my 4runner that I just sold. Had them for almost 50,000 miles and still had 1/3rd of the tread when I sold the truck.

Your experience with Michelins could be the type of tires you put on.  There is quite a bit of variation in life across their family.

In my experience they have the very best tires.  But you pay for them, no question.

TEXASBGE2018 said:

JohnInCarolina said:

TEXASBGE2018 said:

Gulfcoastguy said:

WShopping new tires and my dealer has a 4 for 3 deal. Any opinions on Pirelli Skorpions? It’s that or the Bridgestone Alenzas. The Alenzas are what I have and haven’t held up very well.

Never had scorpions on a truck but had them on my wife's rx350. They are decent. If you have "I don't give a shite" money put Michelins on. But be prepared to replace them in a year or so cause the treadlife sucks on every Michelin tire Ive ever bought. They are however the best handling tire out there. I had a set of cooper tires on my 4runner that I just sold. Had them for almost 50,000 miles and still had 1/3rd of the tread when I sold the truck.

Your experience with Michelins could be the type of tires you put on.  There is quite a bit of variation in life across their family.

In my experience they have the very best tires.  But you pay for them, no question.

Edit: I should add I had alignments done regularly on the 4runner in case some of you might think that was the culprit.

Maybe so, but I dunno. I don't drive aggressively at all and my experience with Michelins has always been with the LTX MS2s which is Michelins top rated truck/suv tire. On my 4runner I've put (3 sets) and the Gx460 (1 set so far)  Great grip, crap tread life. Have never gotten more than 30k miles out of them. Last set I put in the 4runner lasted 26k miles. Every time I've replaced them under warranty because they are supposed to last 60k miles. That helps in the cost but it's definitely not a fluke that I've purchased 4 sets and they all wore out within about 30k miles.

TTEXASBGE2018 said:

JohnInCarolina said:

TEXASBGE2018 said:

Gulfcoastguy said:

Shopping new tires and my dealer has a 4 for 3 deal. Any opinions on Pirelli Skorpions? It’s that or the Bridgestone Alenzas. The Alenzas are what I have and haven’t held up very well.

Never had scorpions on a truck but had them on my wife's rx350. They are decent. If you have "I don't give a shite" money put Michelins on. But be prepared to replace them in a year or so cause the treadlife sucks on every Michelin tire Ive ever bought. They are however the best handling tire out there. I had a set of cooper tires on my 4runner that I just sold. Had them for almost 50,000 miles and still had 1/3rd of the tread when I sold the truck.

Your experience with Michelins could be the type of tires you put on.  There is quite a bit of variation in life across their family.

In my experience they have the very best tires.  But you pay for them, no question.

Edit: I should add I had alignments done regularly on the 4runner in case some of you might think that was the culprit.

Maybe so, but I dunno. I don't drive aggressively at all and my experience with Michelins has always been with the LTX MS2s which is Michelins top rated truck/suv tire. On my 4runner I've put (3 sets) and the Gx460 (1 set so far)  Great grip, crap tread life. Have never gotten more than 30k miles out of them. Last set I put in the 4runner lasted 26k miles. Every time I've replaced them under warranty because they are supposed to last 60k miles. That helps in the cost but it's definitely not a fluke that I've purchased 4 sets and they all wore out within about 30k miles.

TGulfcoastguy said:

Legume said:

Legume said:

I had Scorpions on an F150 about 7 years ago and the wet road traction wasn’t good at all.  I replaced them with Michelins which were much better.  I would take recent reviews and ratings from tire barn and discount over my comments, I’m sure the tires are different now than they were then.

It could have been a few years longer than that and on an Isuzu Trooper now that I think about it, but I do remember the wet road traction being a problem.

Well wet road traction is very important around here. I guess that I will check with the Goodyear store tomorrow.

Those are my least faVorite, Goodyear's typically have soft side walls, more side roll cornering, more prone to side wall punctures, and too soft for rolling over things adding to less clearance. With the Mich ltx tire, there's two road speed ratings, the h rating is a better tire at higher speeds, road wear etc, t rating is a lower speed tire, more roll, more wear, softer but smoother ride. Both have the same tread pattern. The h rated tire is typically a lower profile

I do not like Goodyear either.  I wore a set out on a little 4cyl pickup in 10k miles.  Goodyear dealer swore it was me, until he walked out and looked.  All tires worn completely evenly.

Their mileage "warranty" was not much of a warranty.  I think I got maybe $50 a tire?

Gulfcoastguy

No tire rotation is possible. 235x 20 inches front and 255x 20 inches rear. EVs are heavier than the same size normal car and the drive wheels(rearing this case) take extra wear due to the regenerative braking.
Anyhow the Goodyear store also carries Michelins, Dunlaps and a couple of other types.

fishlessman

Gulfcoastguy said:

No tire rotation is possible. 235x 20 inches front and 255x 20 inches rear. EVs are heavier than the same size normal car and the drive wheels(rearing this case) take extra wear due to the regenerative braking.
Anyhow the Goodyear store also carries Michelins, Dunlaps and a couple of other types.

I would look at h or v rated tires which fit that car. The front end parts last longer. It's not always about speed. My range Rover is over 150 k now, the front end is original. What tire ratings does your manual call out

fishlessman

Ozzie_Isaac said:

fishlessman said:

JohnInCarolina said:

TEXASBGE2018 said:

Gulfcoastguy said:

Shopping new tires and my dealer has a 4 for 3 deal. Any opinions on Pirelli Skorpions? It’s that or the Bridgestone Alenzas. The Alenzas are what I have and haven’t held up very well.

Never had scorpions on a truck but had them on my wife's rx350. They are decent. If you have "I don't give a shite" money put Michelins on. But be prepared to replace them in a year or so cause the treadlife sucks on every Michelin tire Ive ever bought. They are however the best handling tire out there. I had a set of cooper tires on my 4runner that I just sold. Had them for almost 50,000 miles and still had 1/3rd of the tread when I sold the truck.

Your experience with Michelins could be the type of tires you put on.  There is quite a bit of variation in life across their family.

In my experience they have the very best tires.  But you pay for them, no question.

TEXASBGE2018 said:

JohnInCarolina said:

TEXASBGE2018 said:

Gulfcoastguy said:

WShopping new tires and my dealer has a 4 for 3 deal. Any opinions on Pirelli Skorpions? It’s that or the Bridgestone Alenzas. The Alenzas are what I have and haven’t held up very well.

Never had scorpions on a truck but had them on my wife's rx350. They are decent. If you have "I don't give a shite" money put Michelins on. But be prepared to replace them in a year or so cause the treadlife sucks on every Michelin tire Ive ever bought. They are however the best handling tire out there. I had a set of cooper tires on my 4runner that I just sold. Had them for almost 50,000 miles and still had 1/3rd of the tread when I sold the truck.

Your experience with Michelins could be the type of tires you put on.  There is quite a bit of variation in life across their family.

In my experience they have the very best tires.  But you pay for them, no question.

Edit: I should add I had alignments done regularly on the 4runner in case some of you might think that was the culprit.

Maybe so, but I dunno. I don't drive aggressively at all and my experience with Michelins has always been with the LTX MS2s which is Michelins top rated truck/suv tire. On my 4runner I've put (3 sets) and the Gx460 (1 set so far)  Great grip, crap tread life. Have never gotten more than 30k miles out of them. Last set I put in the 4runner lasted 26k miles. Every time I've replaced them under warranty because they are supposed to last 60k miles. That helps in the cost but it's definitely not a fluke that I've purchased 4 sets and they all wore out within about 30k miles.

TTEXASBGE2018 said:

JohnInCarolina said:

TEXASBGE2018 said:

Gulfcoastguy said:

Shopping new tires and my dealer has a 4 for 3 deal. Any opinions on Pirelli Skorpions? It’s that or the Bridgestone Alenzas. The Alenzas are what I have and haven’t held up very well.

Never had scorpions on a truck but had them on my wife's rx350. They are decent. If you have "I don't give a shite" money put Michelins on. But be prepared to replace them in a year or so cause the treadlife sucks on every Michelin tire Ive ever bought. They are however the best handling tire out there. I had a set of cooper tires on my 4runner that I just sold. Had them for almost 50,000 miles and still had 1/3rd of the tread when I sold the truck.

Your experience with Michelins could be the type of tires you put on.  There is quite a bit of variation in life across their family.

In my experience they have the very best tires.  But you pay for them, no question.

Edit: I should add I had alignments done regularly on the 4runner in case some of you might think that was the culprit.

Maybe so, but I dunno. I don't drive aggressively at all and my experience with Michelins has always been with the LTX MS2s which is Michelins top rated truck/suv tire. On my 4runner I've put (3 sets) and the Gx460 (1 set so far)  Great grip, crap tread life. Have never gotten more than 30k miles out of them. Last set I put in the 4runner lasted 26k miles. Every time I've replaced them under warranty because they are supposed to last 60k miles. That helps in the cost but it's definitely not a fluke that I've purchased 4 sets and they all wore out within about 30k miles.

TGulfcoastguy said:

Legume said:

Legume said:

I had Scorpions on an F150 about 7 years ago and the wet road traction wasn’t good at all.  I replaced them with Michelins which were much better.  I would take recent reviews and ratings from tire barn and discount over my comments, I’m sure the tires are different now than they were then.

It could have been a few years longer than that and on an Isuzu Trooper now that I think about it, but I do remember the wet road traction being a problem.

Well wet road traction is very important around here. I guess that I will check with the Goodyear store tomorrow.

Those are my least faVorite, Goodyear's typically have soft side walls, more side roll cornering, more prone to side wall punctures, and too soft for rolling over things adding to less clearance. With the Mich ltx tire, there's two road speed ratings, the h rating is a better tire at higher speeds, road wear etc, t rating is a lower speed tire, more roll, more wear, softer but smoother ride. Both have the same tread pattern. The h rated tire is typically a lower profile

I do not like Goodyear either.  I wore a set out on a little 4cyl pickup in 10k miles.  Goodyear dealer swore it was me, until he walked out and looked.  All tires worn completely evenly.

Their mileage "warranty" was not much of a warranty.  I think I got maybe $50 a tire?

I really hate Goodyear tires

alaskanassasin

You may want to lock in some flour prices @ColbyLang

JohnInCarolina

alaskanassasin said:

You may want to lock in some flower @ColbyLang

What do you recommend?  Roses?

poster

These just showed up yesterday. After running dedicated winters i won't go back to all seasons again. We also get a small insurance discount running winter tires here too

Legume

I put a new set of Michelin Crossclimate2's on my wife's AWD Pilot last year and I love those tires - they're three-peak snow rated which is what we wanted, but we've put a ton of miles on them in the rain, sun, heat and they are very smooth and we've never had a lapse in traction (they do really well in the snow as well).

fishlessman

Legume said:

I put a new set of Michelin Crossclimate2's on my wife's AWD Pilot last year and I love those tires - they're three-peak snow rated which is what we wanted, but we've put a ton of miles on them in the rain, sun, heat and they are very smooth and we've never had a lapse in traction (they do really well in the snow as well).

Good to know, looked at them but so strange. Maybe next time or next year buy something for snow and mud for the off season

Ozzie_Isaac

fishlessman said:

Legume said:

I put a new set of Michelin Crossclimate2's on my wife's AWD Pilot last year and I love those tires - they're three-peak snow rated which is what we wanted, but we've put a ton of miles on them in the rain, sun, heat and they are very smooth and we've never had a lapse in traction (they do really well in the snow as well).

Good to know, looked at them but so strange. Maybe next time or next year buy something for snow and mud for the off season

I run the same tires in the winter as in the summer.  Never really had any issues.

Legume

Same - these are all season.  We don’t have a mud season here, if we did, I think these may not be the best tires, the channels are too narrow for that.  When we have to hit dirt roads in the snow, we take the truck.

fishlessman

Ozzie_Isaac said:

fishlessman said:

Legume said:

I put a new set of Michelin Crossclimate2's on my wife's AWD Pilot last year and I love those tires - they're three-peak snow rated which is what we wanted, but we've put a ton of miles on them in the rain, sun, heat and they are very smooth and we've never had a lapse in traction (they do really well in the snow as well).

Good to know, looked at them but so strange. Maybe next time or next year buy something for snow and mud for the off season

I run the same tires in the winter as in the summer.  Never really had any issues.

What I really need is studded snow tires for crossing lakes in the winter when it's iced over and covered with snow. Have had them before but don't like them on the highway, snow or not. Real pain changing them back and forth for the weekend. Blizzards don't stop me.

Canugghead

poster said:

These just showed up yesterday. After running dedicated winters i won't go back to all seasons again. We also get a small insurance discount running winter tires here too

Strong believer of dedicated winter tires here as well for decades. Set of them on dedicated rims starting first winter of each new vehicle, thus prolonging life of all season tires that came with the vehicle, insurance discount and peace of mind are just gravy on top. Never needed all/four wheel drive.

ColbyLang

alaskanassasin said:

You may want to lock in some flour prices @ColbyLang

Ya, I did last week. This is crazy

fishlessman

Canugghead said:

poster said:

These just showed up yesterday. After running dedicated winters i won't go back to all seasons again. We also get a small insurance discount running winter tires here too

Strong believer of dedicated winter tires here as well for decades. Set of them on dedicated rims starting first winter of each new vehicle, thus prolonging life of all season tires that came with the vehicle, insurance discount and peace of mind are just gravy on top. Never needed all/four wheel drive.

Bfg all terranes have always been my favorite on pickups, but it's hard to beat a cheap studded tire when you need it.

Legume

fishlessman said:

Canugghead said:

poster said:

These just showed up yesterday. After running dedicated winters i won't go back to all seasons again. We also get a small insurance discount running winter tires here too

Strong believer of dedicated winter tires here as well for decades. Set of them on dedicated rims starting first winter of each new vehicle, thus prolonging life of all season tires that came with the vehicle, insurance discount and peace of mind are just gravy on top. Never needed all/four wheel drive.

Bfg all terranes have always been my favorite on pickups, but it's hard to beat a cheap studded tire when you need it.

Same, I put BFG KO2s on my truck.

fishlessman

Legume said:

fishlessman said:

Canugghead said:

poster said:

These just showed up yesterday. After running dedicated winters i won't go back to all seasons again. We also get a small insurance discount running winter tires here too

Strong believer of dedicated winter tires here as well for decades. Set of them on dedicated rims starting first winter of each new vehicle, thus prolonging life of all season tires that came with the vehicle, insurance discount and peace of mind are just gravy on top. Never needed all/four wheel drive.

Bfg all terranes have always been my favorite on pickups, but it's hard to beat a cheap studded tire when you need it.

Same, I put BFG KO2s on my truck.

Those are great tires, hard to beat on the right vehicle 

lousubcap

fishlessman said:

Ozzie_Isaac said:

fishlessman said:

Legume said:

I put a new set of Michelin Crossclimate2's on my wife's AWD Pilot last year and I love those tires - they're three-peak snow rated which is what we wanted, but we've put a ton of miles on them in the rain, sun, heat and they are very smooth and we've never had a lapse in traction (they do really well in the snow as well).

Good to know, looked at them but so strange. Maybe next time or next year buy something for snow and mud for the off season

I run the same tires in the winter as in the summer.  Never really had any issues.

What I really need is studded snow tires for crossing lakes in the winter when it's iced over and covered with snow. Have had them before but don't like them on the highway, snow or not. Real pain changing them back and forth for the weekend. Blizzards don't stop me.

@fishlessman - In my youth I had a separate set of rims with studded radial rear (drive wheel) snow tires for the northeast winters. Go from there to Hawaii via an Oakland car shipping point.  Upon the car landing in HI I had 3 business days to get them off the car with proof to get it registered or pony up the escalating fine.  Got it done.
But you could have some great fun with those in any winter weather road set up.  
You had to really ignore the road noise if on pavement.  

poster

fishlessman said:

Canugghead said:

poster said:

These just showed up yesterday. After running dedicated winters i won't go back to all seasons again. We also get a small insurance discount running winter tires here too

Strong believer of dedicated winter tires here as well for decades. Set of them on dedicated rims starting first winter of each new vehicle, thus prolonging life of all season tires that came with the vehicle, insurance discount and peace of mind are just gravy on top. Never needed all/four wheel drive.

Bfg all terranes have always been my favorite on pickups, but it's hard to beat a cheap studded tire when you need it.

I would have went studded, but they are prohibited in MN and I often head there

alaskanassasin

@JohnInCarolina thanks buddy! 

QDude

TEXASBGE2018 said:

Gulfcoastguy said:

Shopping new tires and my dealer has a 4 for 3 deal. Any opinions on Pirelli Skorpions? It’s that or the Bridgestone Alenzas. The Alenzas are what I have and haven’t held up very well.

Never had scorpions on a truck but had them on my wife's rx350. They are decent. If you have "I don't give a shite" money put Michelins on. But be prepared to replace them in a year or so cause the treadlife sucks on every Michelin tire Ive ever bought. They are however the best handling tire out there. I had a set of cooper tires on my 4runner that I just sold. Had them for almost 50,000 miles and still had 1/3rd of the tread when I sold the truck.

I've had great luck with Michelins and usually get many years out of them.

littlerascal56

My F150 just turned 36,000 and the factory Pirelli Scorpions are shot.  Looking at a set of Toyo tires at my Ford dealer, and some Bridgestones.  He said either tire would be a better choice for the F-150 20” tires on my King Ranch.  Leaning toward the Toyo tires.  They were not pushing the Michelin tire, and they stocked it.  F-150 suspension is hard on tires.

billt01

Gulfcoastguy said:

Shopping new tires and my dealer has a 4 for 3 deal. Any opinions on Pirelli Skorpions? It’s that or the Bridgestone Alenzas. The Alenzas are what I have and haven’t held up very well.

Replaced 5 Pirellis 

go with the Bridgestone

Langner91

50 posts in an afternoon/evening talking tires.  I wonder if the guys over on the car forums are discussing lump charcoal.

I hate buying tires.  It always seems I have two or three vehicles that need them at the same time!

fishlessman

lousubcap said:

fishlessman said:

Ozzie_Isaac said:

fishlessman said:

Legume said:

I put a new set of Michelin Crossclimate2's on my wife's AWD Pilot last year and I love those tires - they're three-peak snow rated which is what we wanted, but we've put a ton of miles on them in the rain, sun, heat and they are very smooth and we've never had a lapse in traction (they do really well in the snow as well).

Good to know, looked at them but so strange. Maybe next time or next year buy something for snow and mud for the off season

I run the same tires in the winter as in the summer.  Never really had any issues.

What I really need is studded snow tires for crossing lakes in the winter when it's iced over and covered with snow. Have had them before but don't like them on the highway, snow or not. Real pain changing them back and forth for the weekend. Blizzards don't stop me.

@fishlessman - In my youth I had a separate set of rims with studded radial rear (drive wheel) snow tires for the northeast winters. Go from there to Hawaii via an Oakland car shipping point.  Upon the car landing in HI I had 3 business days to get them off the car with proof to get it registered or pony up the escalating fine.  Got it done.
But you could have some great fun with those in any winter weather road set up.  
You had to really ignore the road noise if on pavement.  

fun drifting with rear studded tires at night on dry pavement, the sparks put on a pretty nice show.

alaskanassasin

lmk how that starlink works @SonVolt

alaskanassasin

ColbyLang said:

alaskanassasin said:

You may want to lock in some flour prices @ColbyLang

Ya, I did last week. This is crazy

 I planted mine on the 28th and it has had less than a tenth of rain.  We are way behind and I think a lot of guys said screw it, too dry.  My understanding is they are drilling it into dust out west but you never know when they will catch a rain. Ukraine is the variable, I don't know what the were able to get planted or if they can export.

alaskanassasin

I tried to put down a $100 deposit @SonVolt but his website was giving me a error.