What Are You Buying Right Now? (non-OT version)

fishlessman

Kayak said:

The guys who installed our new gas furnace a few years ago misidentified the intake and exhaust pipes to the wall. Wasn't a big deal as they hadn't actually connected the exhaust inside the furnace enclosure. The supervisor who came out had a colorful string of adjectives to describe their intelligence and parentage.

the monitor vent is very strange, the intake is inside the exhaust. suppose it warms the intake air but the space between the larger exhaust and smaller intake is where it frosts up. when you look at it you think that wont work

kl8ton

Went to Costco with the Mrs. 

Needed ground beef and potatoes.  Debated on getting a cart or not....

The bill was just shy of a grand.  Pushed two carts out.  Shouldn't need anything again until Christmas. 

Edit: or next week... whatever comes first

northGAcock

nolaegghead said:

So I was about to pull the trigger on the oven that @ColtsFan bought...literally online.

Then I thought, why not check craigslist again. 

So I did.  Found this one, brand new, for $800.  Asked SWMBO how much cash she had while I was on the phone with the lady.  SWMBO gave me the stink eye.  Anyway, long story short, it's in our living room and I'll put it in tomorrow.  I plan on baking some cookies tonight and I don't want to deal with breaking in the oven (factory smells).

Couple I bought it from bought it new, recently for some investment property where the new people wanted to put their own stuff in.  These people had a house in a gated community that was worth easily over a mil.  I guess losing a grand on an appliance was meaningless to them.  Very nice couple, chatted for a while.

Watch out for the stink eye. 

StillH2OEgger

kl8ton said:

Went to Costco with the Mrs. 

Needed ground beef and potatoes.  Debated on getting a cart or not....

The bill was just shy of a grand.  Pushed two carts out.  Shouldn't need anything again until Christmas. 

Edit: or next week... whatever comes first

You had to know it was going sideways when another cart was summoned. But please elaborate, deals too good to pass up or just lack of discipline?

nolaegghead

Ordered a SS backsplash and a shelf.

PigBeanUs

LNG or propane?

we had to do propane because the connection to the street had been left unconnected for more than ten years. 

Minor loss in BTUs but what the hell. 

nolaegghead

Natural gas.  Propane has more energy.  Just a PITA to keep tanks full.

nolaegghead

You can get NG reconnected through a licensed plumber.  Might be expensive tho.

PigBeanUs

nolaegghead said:

Natural gas.  Propane has more energy.  Just a PITA to keep tanks full.

we have four 18kBTU burners on top. Would be 20k if we were able to hook up an NG model of the same stove

we have a 100gallon tank, serves only the stove. 

Need the surface area more than the actual fear of running out. 

Spec on the stove though was slightly less performance for the propane even though it’s higher btu innately. 

Not sure if it is the orifice or maybe pressure from the street versus the propane 

still happy with it

nolaegghead

Less BTU on propane doesn't make sense to me.  Couldn't be the same orifices used between gasses.  Unless they regulate the propane pressure lower to compensate for the BTU difference.

All things equal (pressure and flow), it takes over twice the air to burn the same volume of propane, and over twice the heat. That's only a problem on jet style burners.  Stoves are normally not jets (unless they are specifically designed for woks).  Usually the NG orifices are much larger as residential natural gas pressure is lower at 0.25 psi than the standard propane pressure 0.375 psi as well as compensating for decreased BTU.  And propane pressure can be regulated up which can't be done with residential NG. 

Must just an idiosyncrasy of the manufacturer.

Fun fact - propane is a liquid at standard pressure (1 bar) at -44F.  Zero pressure from your tank.

fishlessman

nolaegghead said:

Less BTU on propane doesn't make sense to me.  Couldn't be the same orifices used between gasses.  Unless they regulate the propane pressure lower to compensate for the BTU difference.

All things equal (pressure and flow), it takes over twice the air to burn the same volume of propane, and over twice the heat. That's only a problem on jet style burners.  Stoves are normally not jets (unless they are specifically designed for woks).  Usually the NG orifices are much larger as residential natural gas pressure is lower at 0.25 psi than the standard propane pressure 0.375 psi as well as compensating for decreased BTU.  And propane pressure can be regulated up which can't be done with residential NG. 

Must just an idiosyncrasy of the manufacturer.

Fun fact - propane is a liquid at standard pressure (1 bar) at -44F.  Zero pressure from your tank.

my stove looses btu's as well with propane and its in the manual that came with it. im thinking it may be the valving on the outside tanks restricting it more than anything. when i went with bigger burners and stove i upped the piping size, and had the propane company put in different valving, the valves would freeze up using the bigger volume. it helped but natural gas burns hotter stove top with the bigger burners on my stove. why they didnt run gas lines down the street when they put in the water and sewer lines....

nolaegghead

valve freeze is only an issue if the system was designed poorly for the ambient temp and flow rates.  But it's far too common.  Should be next to no moisture in LP unless you run a tank dry.  Theoretically.  I just make stuff up most of the time.

fishlessman

nolaegghead said:

valve freeze is only an issue if the system was designed poorly for the ambient temp and flow rates.  But it's far too common.  Should be next to no moisture in LP unless you run a tank dry.  Theoretically.  I just make stuff up most of the time.

thats my problem, poorly designed house, poorly designed heating system, high flow rates, and adding bigger burners to a system thats already stretched in a couple weeks from now i turn on the basement heat to warm up the floors, the basement walls and floor will ice over if i dont, you dont barefoot in my house come winter, its heavy wool socks and boots to lounge around in. the basement is a dirt floor about 6 inches above lake level and that moisture finds its way in and freezes

TTC

Trying to not pull the trigger on this 2018 tundra 1794 edition 

northGAcock

@nolaegghead    My expierence with gas stoves is.....the less computer electronics in the appliance, the better it will be. Not helpful at this point I realize. I have been cooking with gas for most of my life. It’s the way to go. 

nolaegghead

northGAcock said:

@nolaegghead    My expierence with gas stoves is.....the less computer electronics in the appliance, the better it will be. Not helpful at this point I realize. I have been cooking with gas for most of my life. It’s the way to go. 

Fewer points of failure, sure.

PigBeanUs

If you have a new high btu (“professional type”) propane stove, the size of the tank may also be the problem. 

My tank is 100gallons, not because we use that much (it only serves the stove), but because when we have the oven and burners going, we’re at close to 100k btus. The larger surface area of the liquid propane in the larger diameter tank allows for more vaporization. 

The stove could probably run off a 30lb tank, but not at full capacity. 

Older friend of ours had a 100gallon tank hooked up to a regular range (i.e. not a Viking, etc).  Because he is only there half the year, he wasnt using much propane, and they started charging him to rent the 100gallon tank

Being a cheap basterd, he told them to take it, and hooked up a regular 30lb tank to the line

couldn't get enough out of it to run a couple burners at max, especially with the oven on

nolaegghead

The surface area is the "wetted" surface area...the liquid that touches the container walls.  The reason this is important is because the container is the heat source for the boiling of the liquid propane to gas, which gives you pressure. 

This surface area is a function of the shape and orientation of the tank and varies with the fill level.  So a full tank vs nearly empty tank might have the same surface (liquid/gas) area, but that doesn't matter.  What does matter is the amount of liquid touching the sides of the tank. 

I have a crawfish boiler that i had to buy a 100 lb tank for.  It will run off 30 pound tanks but unless you heat them, they get so cold the pressure drops (and available btu).

WesJohnson

is you and BigPaynus same gotdamn person? shes like a more robotic you without the charm nor syphilis but sounds like the same person behind the keyboard.

nolaegghead

WesJohnson said:

is you and PigBaynus same got damn person?

If I'm pigbaynus, I must have multiple personality disorder.

fishlessman

northGAcock said:

@nolaegghead    My expierence with gas stoves is.....the less computer electronics in the appliance, the better it will be. Not helpful at this point I realize. I have been cooking with gas for most of my life. It’s the way to go. 

theres nothing electronic on my stove, i never bothered to wire it in for the click start. theres also nothing on it i cant rebuild myself, thats what sold me on a cluny. if i move its coming with me

TEXASBGE2018

TTC said:

Trying to not pull the trigger on this 2018 tundra 1794 edition

As long as you don’t care about gas mileage that thing will last 20 years.

PigBeanUs

fishlessman said:

northGAcock said:

@nolaegghead    My expierence with gas stoves is.....the less computer electronics in the appliance, the better it will be. Not helpful at this point I realize. I have been cooking with gas for most of my life. It’s the way to go. 

theres nothing electronic on my stove, i never bothered to wire it in for the click start. theres also nothing on it i cant rebuild myself, thats what sold me on a cluny. if i move its coming with me

My first thought when I saw his pic, honestly. 

Replacing a key pad is $600 or so, and we had to do it twice. 

When we did the range over, the top requirements were: no electronics; and no small burners. 

Each top burner is 18-20k btu (depending on propane vs natural gas)

on or off. That’s it. 

nolaegghead

Perfect shape for toasting starfish.

alaskanassasin

PigBeanUs said:

If you have a new high btu (“professional type”) propane stove, the size of the tank may also be the problem. 

My tank is 100gallons, not because we use that much (it only serves the stove), but because when we have the oven and burners going, we’re at close to 100k btus. The larger surface area of the liquid propane in the larger diameter tank allows for more vaporization. 

The stove could probably run off a 30lb tank, but not at full capacity. 

Older friend of ours had a 100gallon tank hooked up to a regular range (i.e. not a Viking, etc).  Because he is only there half the year, he wasnt using much propane, and they started charging him to rent the 100gallon tank

Being a cheap basterd, he told them to take it, and hooked up a regular 30lb tank to the line

couldn't get enough out of it to run a couple burners at max, especially with the oven on

 I have run a standard kitchen range/oven off of 30lb tanks for years.  When I started out I was using a regular BBQ regulator. After a few months it would fail and I would not get a decent flame, so I spoke to a Amish fella and he sold me a two stage regulator and I have not had any problems since.

fishlessman

nolaegghead said:

Ordered a SS backsplash and a shelf.

my ss backsplash pushes the stove forward about 3 inches and collects some grease, what i like about it is it fits larger pans if you push them back into that step back.  something to think about especially if using big dutch ovens/ frypans. you dont want those type pans hanging over the front melting the keypad etc, ive melted a few of those with radiant heat and castiron pans

fishlessman

PigBeanUs said:

fishlessman said:

northGAcock said:

@nolaegghead    My expierence with gas stoves is.....the less computer electronics in the appliance, the better it will be. Not helpful at this point I realize. I have been cooking with gas for most of my life. It’s the way to go. 

theres nothing electronic on my stove, i never bothered to wire it in for the click start. theres also nothing on it i cant rebuild myself, thats what sold me on a cluny. if i move its coming with me

My first thought when I saw his pic, honestly. 

Replacing a key pad is $600 or so, and we had to do it twice. 

When we did the range over, the top requirements were: no electronics; and no small burners. 

Each top burner is 18-20k btu (depending on propane vs natural gas)

on or off. That’s it. 

who makes this range, electric crap at camp needs replacing again

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nolaegghead

Whenever I get a propane regulator with whatever propane appliance I buy, if it isn't a 10 psi type, I throw it in a drawer for emergencies and put a 10 psi on it.  Two stage are superior for high pressure gas (like oxygen, nitrogen, helium, argon, etc at 2000-3000 psi).  But propane, its probably working better for you because 2 stage are generally more expensive/better quality.  A high quality single stage would be just as good for propane.  Propane pressures are in the same range as an air compressor - up to 175 psi on a hot day in the sun.

(career in-part dealing with all kinds of compressed gasses and designing gas delivery systems)

PigBeanUs

Fish:

It’s a thermador pro-harmony cheapest they make, actually. Four burners of equal size (i see variously listed as 15k, 18k, 20k depending on the retailer, for some reason). .the two left burners have extra low simmer (cycling on/off).  The old sales trick was to melt chocolate chips on a paper plate, which it does.

we bought ca 2016/17, and I just priced it  now and it is $800 more. They usually have sales though. 

This one does NOT have self-clean, which does kinda suck. But I have had more than one repair guy swear off self clean because of the potential damage to porcelain, gaskets etc. (feels like a bit of that is BS)

Cluny laclanche was not in the cards. Hahaha

So:
-four equal burners
-two extra low
-no electronics or clocks
-no self clean

Wife just wanted something super simple, with as much BTU as possible under the code (for a 30” range)