Pandemic updates 2.0

HeavyG

nolaegghead said:

It illuminates how much more contagious this coronavirus is vs the typical flu.

Has that really been clearly established? I thought it was more the case that Covid is contagious well before most folks show any obvious symptoms (or even have any symptoms since so many folks are asymptomatic carriers) whereas the flu isn't contagious until some time after people are obviously sick. The flu makes it pretty easy to target/avoid the infected, Covid... not so much.

I'm guessing that if each flu season more people were as conscientious about hand sanitizing as many have been the past year or so and those with even the sniffles wore masks (as has been the practice in Japan for decades) that the spread of the flu could be much less each year.

nolaegghead

HeavyG said:

nolaegghead said:

It illuminates how much more contagious this coronavirus is vs the typical flu.

Has that really been clearly established? I thought it was more the case that Covid is contagious well before most folks show any obvious symptoms (or even have any symptoms since so many folks are asymptomatic carriers) whereas the flu isn't contagious until some time after people are obviously sick. The flu makes it pretty easy to target/avoid the infected, Covid... not so much.

I'm guessing that if each flu season more people were as conscientious about hand sanitizing as many have been the past year or so and those with even the sniffles wore masks (as has been the practice in Japan for decades) that the spread of the flu could be much less each year.

For practical purposes, the R0 increases through asymptomatic spread.  Other factors, such as our immune systems being more or less "familiar" with flu type viruses vs corona make a difference.  Insofar as an actual minimal viral exposure that causes infection (asymptomatic or not), I don't know how that plays here.  Vectors play an important role (types of environmental factors infecting various parts of the body).  It's a bit different.

By virtue of the high corona vs flu spread evidence, we can assume the R0 is higher for the corona virus. 

On the spectrum of infectiousness, not much beats measles.  On the other side of the spectrum, TB and other pathogens take large numbers of individual virus/bacteria before infection.

JohnInCarolina

http://twitter.com/hunterw/status/1392870346336915459?s=20

fishlessman

JohnInCarolina said:

http://twitter.com/hunterw/status/1392870346336915459?s=20

when i had my second shot i asked for free ice cream. really strange getting shots at the supermarket

QDude

fishlessman said:

QDude said:

fishlessman said:

health insurance denying claims because of covid. brother was just denied 88k for his ankle replacement.  the fun is just beginning

What is the rationale for the denial?

was told by the hospital they are denying just about every claim. he had the other ankle replaced last spring without a hitch

But there should be an explanation given for the denial!  Fight it a

fishlessman

quarantine and testing,  the new rules..... have an employee that lives in nh, works in mass and falls into the essential guidelines.  nh has no testing guidelines for domestic travel so he is at disney this week, not vaccinated, no rules to be tested when he returns according to the state, mass allows essential workers over the boarder.  if he lived a quarter mile south in mass, quarantine and testing required before returning to work......

HeavyG

https://twitter.com/hemantmehta/status/1395505713628295175

nolaegghead

If people could do math, there wouldn't be lotteries.

JohnInCarolina

nolaegghead said:

If people could do math, there wouldn't be lotteries.

They’re essentially taxes on idiots in many states.

dbCooper

Long odds, I'm giving it a shot...

When you get vaccinated against COVID-19, the world wins — and you could win a year of free flights to see the world!

https://www.united.com/ual/en/us/fly/travel/your-shot-to-fly-sweepstakes.html

JohnInCarolina

http://twitter.com/nowthisnews/status/1397478363254624258?s=20

nolaegghead

dogs love foul odors, don't feel sorry for them.

JohnInCarolina

http://twitter.com/RpsAgainstTrump/status/1397724827872645120?s=20

lousubcap

^^^^^^^
Tells me all I need to  know and not surprising.   F' me.  

HeavyG

https://twitter.com/KevinMKruse/status/1399072803031293954

Gulfcoastguy

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hGMXqAQPYuU

This has some information on India as well as the nations like Taiwan, Cambodia etc. 

HeavyG

https://twitter.com/normative/status/1402980401291931654

Did she get her nursing degree from a correspondence school?

nolaegghead

HeavyG said:

https://twitter.com/normative/status/1402980401291931654

Did she get her nursing degree from a correspondence school?

Most decent quality silverware is not magnetic anyway.  The 18/0 stuff they use in restaurants has low or no nickle (less shiny) but is magnetic so they can use a flatware retriever magnet to save on thrown away silverware.

Not that any of this matters, the fringe madness has apparently been made acceptable at the highest levels.

Botch

HeavyG said:

Did she get her nursing degree from a correspondence school?

trump U.  

lousubcap

Interesting read on shipping container issues with southern Chinese ports:
https://gcaptain.com/container-shortage-worsens-as-ships-avoid-chinese-ports-that-need-empties/?subscriber=true&goal=0_f50174ef03-5a0a895dde-170052525&mc_cid=5a0a895dde&mc_eid=10465e83ed  

fishlessman

lousubcap said:

Interesting read on shipping container issues with southern Chinese ports:
https://gcaptain.com/container-shortage-worsens-as-ships-avoid-chinese-ports-that-need-empties/?subscriber=true&goal=0_f50174ef03-5a0a895dde-170052525&mc_cid=5a0a895dde&mc_eid=10465e83ed  

the local tire guys around me are being told that the price of tires may double or tripple by fall because of the container issues, everything else shipped may just follow

nolaegghead

nolaegghead

I'm going to start wearing a mask in public again.  This delta variant is getting out of control and you can catch it even with the vaccine (don't get nearly as sick tho).  It's also more contagious than anything we've encountered before and ubiquitous -- in every state. 

Gulfcoastguy

There’s even a variant of the Delta variant. We will probably all need a variant specific booster shot by this fall.

Gulfcoastguy

https://www.yahoo.com/finance/news/booster-may-needed-j-j-235153122.html

Canugghead

https://www.cbc.ca/news/canada/toronto/scotiabank-covid19-vaccine-clinic-north-american-record-1.6082606

fishlessman

nolaegghead said:

I'm going to start wearing a mask in public again.  This delta variant is getting out of control and you can catch it even with the vaccine (don't get nearly as sick tho).  It's also more contagious than anything we've encountered before and ubiquitous -- in every state. 

someone should tell those nonvaxers down there that it kills nonvaccinated

dbCooper

Populous areas of Nebraska are seeing vax rates over 50% (18 yr and up).  Several of the Indian Nations are approaching 70%.  Rural areas are not fairing as well.  One of the ways being used to get the numbers up...

Gulfcoastguy

https://news.yahoo.com/missouri-woman-didnt-want-covid-144312388.html

Botch

Gulfcoastguy said:

https://news.yahoo.com/missouri-woman-didnt-want-covid-144312388.html

...aaaand the state of Missouri just ran out of ventilators.