Pandemic updates 2.0

Botch

nolaegghead said:And there wasn't anything they could do to change my mind because I felt I had enough history of man and reasoning to explain to myself that there's just things we don't know and we don't need a magical deity to explain them to us. 

So I never went to church again.  Neither did my parents, brothers or sister.

The end. 

I'm surprised you were able to convince your whole family, verbally, in one conversation.  It took two major events (moving to utah, where I was a religious minority for the first time; and 9/11), and 50-some years, before I started questioning things.  And a carefully-worded email, as an agnostic, to my last family member (sister) resulted in a probably forever-broken (but still civil) relationship.     

nolaegghead

Botch said:

nolaegghead said:And there wasn't anything they could do to change my mind because I felt I had enough history of man and reasoning to explain to myself that there's just things we don't know and we don't need a magical deity to explain them to us. 

So I never went to church again.  Neither did my parents, brothers or sister.

The end. 

I'm surprised you were able to convince your whole family, verbally, in one conversation.  It took two major events (moving to utah, where I was a religious minority for the first time; and 9/11), and 50-some years, before I started questioning things.  And a carefully-worded email, as an agnostic, to my last family member (sister) resulted in a probably forever-broken (but still civil) relationship.     

I don't think I actually convinced anyone as much as I just was the first to voice what they were already thinking.

Kayak

dbCooper said:

This article is not exclusively pandemic related, it looks at why people believe various "big lies".  Covid and anti-vax are touched on, so am posting it here.  I am challenged to understand how so many can reject what is so obvious, to me.  This viewpoint helped somewhat...

https://www.thedailybeast.com/six-months-after-the-capitol-riots-we-still-wont-admit-why-so-many-people-believe-the-big-lie

It's my opinion that we even have 'gateway' drugs to belief in G*d. As little Christian kids, they start us off easy with Santa, the Easter Bunny, and the Tooth Fairy. This primes the pump for the big leagues by reinforcing magical thinking. We had friends who denied their kids the 'heathen beliefs' of Santa, Bunny, and Fairy, and just force fed them a Jeebus who took care of everything that happened in a day - "I got a parking spot up front! Thank Jeebus!" Their kids did not turn out to be fundies like them.

nolaegghead

Kayak said:

dbCooper said:

This article is not exclusively pandemic related, it looks at why people believe various "big lies".  Covid and anti-vax are touched on, so am posting it here.  I am challenged to understand how so many can reject what is so obvious, to me.  This viewpoint helped somewhat...

https://www.thedailybeast.com/six-months-after-the-capitol-riots-we-still-wont-admit-why-so-many-people-believe-the-big-lie

It's my opinion that we even have 'gateway' drugs to belief in G*d. As little Christian kids, they start us off easy with Santa, the Easter Bunny, and the Tooth Fairy. This primes the pump for the big leagues by reinforcing magical thinking. We had friends who denied their kids the 'heathen beliefs' of Santa, Bunny, and Fairy, and just force fed them a Jeebus who took care of everything that happened in a day - "I got a parking spot up front! Thank Jeebus!" Their kids did not turn out to be fundies like them.

You might be on to something, Bob.

JohnInCarolina

Paging @Eoin, @Stormbringer and @CPFC1905

CPFC1905

The quote continues " ...scary,  if you are a drug raddled 24/7 anorak enthusiast like me." 

HeavyG

JohnInCarolina

https://twitter.com/Elise_Jordan/status/1418901963463344138?s=20

That seems… less than ideal.

JohnInCarolina

https://twitter.com/PeterHotez/status/1418904217553719305?s=20

Gulfcoastguy

JohnInCarolina said:

https://twitter.com/Elise_Jordan/status/1418901963463344138?s=20

That seems… less than ideal.

Yes I think that the Governor find Dobbs annoying. Honest men with a strong sense of ethics and who refuse to do other than their best frequently are.

Gulfcoastguy

Just a little video on the Pfizer vaccine. It's beginning to look like we will need a third dose in the US.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wNbs4LCgrcY

fishlessman

this is strange, everyone i know that currently has covid is a strong dem.  the virus must have run out of republican targets up here

Canugghead

Blame the summer sun for the current UV pandemic 

JohnInCarolina

fishlessman said:

this is strange, everyone i know that currently has covid is a strong dem.  the virus must have run out of republican targets up here

How many people do you know who are Republicans and unvaccinated up there?

JohnInCarolina

fishlessman

JohnInCarolina said:

fishlessman said:

this is strange, everyone i know that currently has covid is a strong dem.  the virus must have run out of republican targets up here

How many people do you know who are Republicans and unvaccinated up there?

most people in nh i know are not vaccinated, most of those are republican but the ones i know currently with covid are far left, blew my mind they didnt vax. now mass, theres only a handful of republicans anyways, about ten percent. neighbors in their 60/70's are both professors, both not vaxed, unbelievable to me but i doubt they ever step foot on a campus again. maine at the lake is mostly republican locals, vaxed, and never social distanced. of the 30 something people i know had covid, 4, maybe 5 were democrat.

side note.   spell check doesnt recognize the word covid

fishlessman

JohnInCarolina said:

when you look at the covid map puerto rico is in the top 5 for vaccines. first case i saw up here was a guy visiting family down there. thinking they got hit hard early on like new york, boston, hartford which may explain why new england is strong with vaccinations

fishlessman

look at those steel prices soar. just had some quotes come back, my god, i can see hoods on cars getting stolen right off the car in the driveway soon

fishlessman

and my brother just called in sick for ten days....tested positive but no symptoms, had to get tested before a scout trip next week. this aint going to be over soon, things are lighting back up

nolaegghead

fishlessman said:

look at those steel prices soar. just had some quotes come back, my god, i can see hoods on cars getting stolen right off the car in the driveway soon

I've been waiting for prices to come back down to earth so I can buy the steel for my mezzanine.  It's nuts right now.

fishlessman

nolaegghead said:

fishlessman said:

look at those steel prices soar. just had some quotes come back, my god, i can see hoods on cars getting stolen right off the car in the driveway soon

I've been waiting for prices to come back down to earth so I can buy the steel for my mezzanine.  It's nuts right now.

was quoted $1.33 per pound for hot rolled sheet carbon steel this morning, after markup i need 2 bucks a pound. thats not going to sell well. seems like last summer it was maybe 60 cents.

nolaegghead

Not sure how much I need, I need to get my list out, but I'm guessing it's several tons.

fishlessman

nolaegghead said:

Not sure how much I need, I need to get my list out, but I'm guessing it's several tons.

had a guy come in and wanted us to unroll old rusty fuel oil tanks, he was building a boat, then asked if any of the welders here would weld it together for half ownership. theres always that option.

im just looking at building a  3000  dollar refrigerator pan for a local hospital

nolaegghead

So it is this material list X 2.

nolaegghead

So basically I need 4300 lbs of steel.   at $1.30/lb that's $5590, at $0.60/lb that's $2580.  So buying now vs buying a year ago is $3000 more. I think I'll keep waiting, I'm cheap.

Gulfcoastguy

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zdgTqyh_au0

This is a real medical MD.

fishlessman

nolaegghead said:

So basically I need 4300 lbs of steel.   at $1.30/lb that's $5590, at $0.60/lb that's $2580.  So buying now vs buying a year ago is $3000 more. I think I'll keep waiting, I'm cheap.

the square tubing will cost alot more per pound, especially the rectangular. HSS....print is too detailed for a civil engineer, what are you, canadian

SamIAm2

FYI - The Olsterholm Update has returned to weekly episodes.  
Episode 61: Divided by Delta is available here:

https://www.cidrap.umn.edu/covid-19/podcasts-webinars

JohnInCarolina

SamIAm2 said:

FYI - The Olsterholm Update has returned to weekly episodes.  
Episode 61: Divided by Delta is available here:

https://www.cidrap.umn.edu/covid-19/podcasts-webinars

I listened to that one over the weekend.  It's good.  

JohnInCarolina

JohnInCarolina said:

SamIAm2 said:

FYI - The Olsterholm Update has returned to weekly episodes.  
Episode 61: Divided by Delta is available here:

https://www.cidrap.umn.edu/covid-19/podcasts-webinars

I listened to that one over the weekend.  It's good.  

Sam Harris also had a recent podcast where he interviewed Eric Topol.  Worth a listen:

https://samharris.org/podcasts/256-contagion-bad-ideas/