Pfizer may have an effective vaccine

JohnInCarolina

Very very promising news (non political) this morning.  We’ll have to wait to see the data but this looks really encouraging.

GrateEggspectations

Any word as to whether they’ll be lacing it with any of the blue stuff, for good measure?

JohnInCarolina

GrateEggspectations said:

Any word as to whether they’ll be lacing it with any of the blue stuff, for good measure?

JohnInCarolina

Here’s the link to the news piece:

https://apple.news/ApDu_9dhiQYyVFg5wPFpLZw

dmchicago

Interesting and encouraging. 

I wonder how they will decide who gets it and when. 

50 million this year. 650 next year. 

Canugghead

Wonder if this could have/of impacted the election result if announced earlier 

JohnInCarolina

Canugghead said:

Wonder if this could have/of impacted the election result if announced earlier 

Certainly possible, although Pfizer wasn’t part of Operation Warp Speed.  Some people might be tempted to assume they delayed this announcement, but I really don’t think so.  These big pharma companies have a very strong incentive to be the first with an effective vaccine, as evidenced by the stock market.

HeavyG

I read that one of the problems with this vaccine is that it needs to be kept extremely cold at around -100°F.

Will be interesting to see how long a shot lasts - is this going to be an annual thing or can one get a few years from a shot. Seems some reports have indicated that antibodies in people disappear after just a few months so more than one shot/year??

Guess we'll learn more soon.

Also - will the chips they inject in us set off the  security anti-shoplifting alarms at stores???

Gulfcoastguy

dmchicago said:

Interesting and encouraging. 

I wonder how they will decide who gets it and when. 

50 million this year. 650 next year. 

Depends on how your state voted.

Wolfpack

Futures market is going crazy- 

cruise lines up 30%

Airlines up 20%+

the doses will go to front line workers first- will be a little bit before we see one. 

fishlessman

im thinking front line workers must be the politicians and the rich

HeavyG

fishlessman said:

im thinking front line workers must be the politicians and the rich

That's how things are meant to work aren't they?

fishlessman

its the way of the world. oh and pfizer must of felt snubbed not being part of operation warp speed and delayed a few days damn cynic in me. they may have even stole johns points

Canugghead

This could be a PT under the radar 

Gulfcoastguy

The Cen-Tex Smoker

Awesome news. 

buzd504

HeavyG said:

I read that one of the problems with this vaccine is that it needs to be kept extremely cold at around -100°F.

Will be interesting to see how long a shot lasts - is this going to be an annual thing or can one get a few years from a shot. Seems some reports have indicated that antibodies in people disappear after just a few months so more than one shot/year??

Guess we'll learn more soon.

Also - will the chips they inject in us set off the  security anti-shoplifting alarms at stores???

It's 2 shots, actually.

JohnInCarolina

fishlessman said:

its the way of the world. oh and pfizer must of felt snubbed not being part of operation warp speed and delayed a few days damn cynic in me. they may have even stole johns points

It was actually their decision not to join the initiative.  I'm not sure what their motivations were.  

JohnInCarolina

Canugghead said:

This could be a PT under the radar 

I really did not intend it to be.  This shouldn't be political and in my view it's just really good news.  

fishlessman

JohnInCarolina said:

fishlessman said:

its the way of the world. oh and pfizer must of felt snubbed not being part of operation warp speed and delayed a few days damn cynic in me. they may have even stole johns points

It was actually their decision not to join the initiative.  I'm not sure what their motivations were.  

that seems to make it more cynical, the conspiracy theories are going to come quickly, my poor inbox is going to go viral

frazzdaddy

If true , I don't care what if any motives they had. From where I sit, pharma is driven by the $$ and what works for them. If we can get some kind of weapon to fight this thing , I'm good.

fishlessman

frazzdaddy said:

If true , I don't care what if any motives they had. From where I sit, pharma is driven by the $$ and what works for them. If we can get some kind of weapon to fight this thing from this, I'm good.

but will you be able to afford it if you can find access to it

fishlessman

HeavyG said:

I read that one of the problems with this vaccine is that it needs to be kept extremely cold at around -100°F.

Will be interesting to see how long a shot lasts - is this going to be an annual thing or can one get a few years from a shot. Seems some reports have indicated that antibodies in people disappear after just a few months so more than one shot/year??

Guess we'll learn more soon.

Also - will the chips they inject in us set off the  security anti-shoplifting alarms at stores???

the chips are to keep you inside the walls

JohnInCarolina

fishlessman said:

frazzdaddy said:

If true , I don't care what if any motives they had. From where I sit, pharma is driven by the $$ and what works for them. If we can get some kind of weapon to fight this thing from this, I'm good.

but will you be able to afford it if you can find access to it

HHS has already contracted with Pfizer to enable public deployment on a successful vaccine.  I'm pretty sure they did this with all pharma companies who were working on one.  

Kayak

Does the temp requirement mean they'll be injecting extremely cold liquid into us, or will the pharmacist hold it under their arm a few minutes?
If ever there were a perfect opportunity to rethink financing drug research.

fishlessman

JohnInCarolina said:

fishlessman said:

frazzdaddy said:

If true , I don't care what if any motives they had. From where I sit, pharma is driven by the $$ and what works for them. If we can get some kind of weapon to fight this thing from this, I'm good.

but will you be able to afford it if you can find access to it

HHS has already contracted with Pfizer to enable public deployment on a successful vaccine.  I'm pretty sure they did this with all pharma companies who were working on one.  

i seem to recall pfizer just blatantly raising drug prices in the past so we shall see.

Battleborn

Canugghead said:

Wonder if this could have/of impacted the election result if announced earlier 

Teddy already out questioning.

Webass

JohnInCarolina said:

fishlessman said:

its the way of the world. oh and pfizer must of felt snubbed not being part of operation warp speed and delayed a few days damn cynic in me. they may have even stole johns points

It was actually their decision not to join the initiative.  I'm not sure what their motivations were.  

They didn't have to be part of the up front $$ from Warp Speed for R&D. They got a 1.95 billion purchase guarantee from the Trump Administration .  Pfizer has tried to distance themselves from Warp Speed, but one has to be curious about the timing.  All those Democrats who said they would never take a vaccine developed under the Trump  Administration can now hypocritically claim it was developed interdependently from Trump. 

https://www.foxnews.com/science/pfizer-coronavirus-vaccine-operation-warp-speed

frazzdaddy

fishlessman said:

frazzdaddy said:

If true , I don't care what if any motives they had. From where I sit, pharma is driven by the $$ and what works for them. If we can get some kind of weapon to fight this thing from this, I'm good.

but will you be able to afford it if you can find access to it

After what we've been through it will be available to everyone. 

JohnInCarolina

Webass said:

JohnInCarolina said:

fishlessman said:

its the way of the world. oh and pfizer must of felt snubbed not being part of operation warp speed and delayed a few days damn cynic in me. they may have even stole johns points

It was actually their decision not to join the initiative.  I'm not sure what their motivations were.  

They didn't have to be part of the up front $$ from Warp Speed for R&D. They got a 1.95 billion purchase guarantee from the Trump Administration .  Pfizer has tried to distance themselves from Warp Speed, but one has to be curious about the timing.  All those Democrats who said they would never take a vaccine developed under the Trump  Administration can now hypocritically claim it was developed interdependently from Trump. 

https://www.foxnews.com/science/pfizer-coronavirus-vaccine-operation-warp-speed

I really don't think there's any value politicizing this.  If it turns out to be safe and effective, that's all any of us should really care about.

JohnInCarolina

The notion that a big pharma company would delay an announcement like this because it might impact an election seems pretty nutty to me.  They are almost entirely driven by profit and the bottom line.

Look if evidence comes out that supports the assertion that they did that, then we'll all be able to review it.  But right now it's just empty speculation and I don't see how it's at all helpful when we will need hundreds of millions of people in this country to get vaccinated.