Empty those pockets

Phaqallyall

WeberWho said:

GrateEggspectations said:

I get the importance of tackling knife crime, but I don’t get why discussions touching upon the irrefutably low rates of gun violence in the U.K. (a result of effective gun policies) keep resulting in a focus on a meager (and seemingly un noteworthy, relative to the U.S.) number of knife deaths across several threads in this forum. 

It may be surprising to some, but I just spent a good chunk of time in the U.K. and didn’t get stabbed even once. 

My friends dad was murdered two months ago with a butcher knife. I got to clean up his Dads apartment with his son a few days later where a chunk of carpet was missing where he died in his own blood. Stabbings happen here in the US. 

Sorry to hear about your friend's dad, and the rug.  I bet it really tied the room together, man.  

Spaightlabs

WeberWho said:

Yep. Funny how bad guys only use guns

I missed that assertion in any of the posts in this thread.  thanks for clarifying.

It's illegal in most states for people to carry in a concealed fashion,  butterfly knives, switchblades or knives with blades over 4 inches in length.  
Yet the National Machete Association remains silent instead of fighting for our rights.  Where is the hew and cry for the rights of knife owners?

WeberWho

Phaqallyall said:

WeberWho said:

GrateEggspectations said:

I get the importance of tackling knife crime, but I don’t get why discussions touching upon the irrefutably low rates of gun violence in the U.K. (a result of effective gun policies) keep resulting in a focus on a meager (and seemingly un noteworthy, relative to the U.S.) number of knife deaths across several threads in this forum. 

It may be surprising to some, but I just spent a good chunk of time in the U.K. and didn’t get stabbed even once. 

My friends dad was murdered two months ago with a butcher knife. I got to clean up his Dads apartment with his son a few days later where a chunk of carpet was missing where he died in his own blood. Stabbings happen here in the US. 

Sorry to hear about your friend's dad, and the rug.  I bet it really tied the room together, man.  

Sorry I hurt your feelings.

Phaqallyall

WeberWho said:

Yep. Funny how bad guys only use guns

They certainly don't.  They just tend to kill a lot more people with them, much more quickly.  Google how many mass stabbings there have been, and how many folks end up getting killed in them compared to your typical mass shooting.

This ain't algebra Geronimo.  

WeberWho

Phaqallyall said:

WeberWho said:

Yep. Funny how bad guys only use guns

They certainly don't.  They just tend to kill a lot more people with them, much more quickly.  Google how many mass stabbings there have been, and how many folks end up getting killed in them compared to your typical mass shooting.

This ain't algebra Geronimo.  

Thanks for answering a question I never asked Chachi.

GrateEggspectations

@WeberWho: Sad story. Never said that stabbings don’t happen. Just that diverting a discussion about the U.S.’ gun issue to relatively insignificant statistics about stabbings seems like a red herring. 

Phaqallyall

Gun nuts really wanna believe that if guns were banned in the US, the same people would still get killed, just with knives.  It's not an argument that would survive a high school debate class, but it's one you'll hear time and again because they've all been brainwashed by gun rights propaganda. 

WeberWho

GrateEggspectations said:

@WeberWho: Sad story. Never said that stabbings don’t happen. Just that diverting a discussion about the U.S.’ gun issue to relatively insignificant statistics about stabbings seems like a red herring. 

I completely understand what you're saying. A sad story indeed. More or less stating that some random person on a bbq forum knows someone who was murdered with a knife within the last few months.

My cousin was mugged with a butcher knife. I've had a butcher knife pulled on me after being concealed behind his jacket at a bar. I wouldn't take any of his or his homies sh!t

My intent was to say it does happen and unfortunately has some tragic outcomes at times.

fiber_induced_deuce

Sounds like you live in Gangs of New York

Battleborn

Comparing the U.S. with anywhere (U.K., Australia, etc.) is fallacious. Those countries weren't founded with the idea that citizenry should be able to protect itself from a tyrannical government. We certainly will never get to a place were the public has the means to defend itself against the government. Nor will full scale gun confiscation and compliance ever happen. So what do we do?

Maybe start addressing the problems of culture and mental health. Until we as a society start taking those things seriously, things will never change. Both of those things start at home. As parents, grandparents and family members it is our responsibility to help those who need it. 

HeavyG

Latest stabbing in London ("best president ever"? - clearly a mental health issue is involved)...

https://thehill.com/policy/international/446915-british-woman-stabs-trump-baby-balloon-while-shouting-trump-is-the-best?__twitter_impression=true

JohnInCarolina

Battleborn said:

Comparing the U.S. with anywhere (U.K., Australia, etc.) is fallacious. Those countries weren't founded with the idea that citizenry should be able to protect itself from a tyrannical government. 

Wasn’t Australia founded by... convicts?

milesvdustin

JohnInCarolina said:

Battleborn said:

Comparing the U.S. with anywhere (U.K., Australia, etc.) is fallacious. Those countries weren't founded with the idea that citizenry should be able to protect itself from a tyrannical government. 

Wasn’t Australia founded by... convicts?

So, not people who were starting a new country to protect themselves from a tyrannical government? 

YukonRon

Did they have knives?

theyolksonyou

JohnInCarolina said:

Battleborn said:

Comparing the U.S. with anywhere (U.K., Australia, etc.) is fallacious. Those countries weren't founded with the idea that citizenry should be able to protect itself from a tyrannical government. 

Wasn’t Australia founded by... convicts?

Didn’t they have a mass shooting, like today?

frazzdaddy

I asked this question before. What do we do? Through all of this "debate" I've heard one suggestion. No wonder they can't agree on anything or get anything done in Washington. We have created a massive problem. There is no way to recover all of the guns. Stroll over to Google and do a search for gun sales since WW2. Very few of those guns have worn out or been destroyed. No way if guns are outlawed you get a fraction back. There needs to be another way. @Battleborn makes great points

JohnInCarolina

theyolksonyou said:

JohnInCarolina said:

Battleborn said:

Comparing the U.S. with anywhere (U.K., Australia, etc.) is fallacious. Those countries weren't founded with the idea that citizenry should be able to protect itself from a tyrannical government. 

Wasn’t Australia founded by... convicts?

Didn’t they have a mass shooting, like today?

Their overall rate is around 1 per 100k.  

theyolksonyou

JohnInCarolina said:

theyolksonyou said:

JohnInCarolina said:

Battleborn said:

Comparing the U.S. with anywhere (U.K., Australia, etc.) is fallacious. Those countries weren't founded with the idea that citizenry should be able to protect itself from a tyrannical government. 

Wasn’t Australia founded by... convicts?

Didn’t they have a mass shooting, like today?

Their overall rate is around 1 per 100k.  

You didn’t answer my question, professor. 

JohnInCarolina

milesvdustin said:

JohnInCarolina said:

Battleborn said:

Comparing the U.S. with anywhere (U.K., Australia, etc.) is fallacious. Those countries weren't founded with the idea that citizenry should be able to protect itself from a tyrannical government. 

Wasn’t Australia founded by... convicts?

So, not people who were starting a new country to protect themselves from a tyrannical government? 

You have made a fantastic point here.  Incredible, even.

JohnInCarolina

theyolksonyou said:

JohnInCarolina said:

theyolksonyou said:

JohnInCarolina said:

Battleborn said:

Comparing the U.S. with anywhere (U.K., Australia, etc.) is fallacious. Those countries weren't founded with the idea that citizenry should be able to protect itself from a tyrannical government. 

Wasn’t Australia founded by... convicts?

Didn’t they have a mass shooting, like today?

Their overall rate is around 1 per 100k.  

You didn’t answer my question, professor. 

Did you have professors at GaTech who just handed you the answers to the questions you were asking?  Because I have to tell you, those are not the good professors.

milesvdustin

JohnInCarolina said:

milesvdustin said:

JohnInCarolina said:

Battleborn said:

Comparing the U.S. with anywhere (U.K., Australia, etc.) is fallacious. Those countries weren't founded with the idea that citizenry should be able to protect itself from a tyrannical government. 

Wasn’t Australia founded by... convicts?

So, not people who were starting a new country to protect themselves from a tyrannical government? 

You have made a fantastic point here.  Incredible, even.

Ok, just dodge the obvious, very suave. 

Obviously a convict penal colony that became a country did NOT in fact form a new country to protect itself from a tyrannical government 


Me:1 You: 0 
Nananananananana 

JohnInCarolina

Yep, you won that argument.  I don’t know how I’ll ever live that one down.  

YukonRon

First, start with the NRA and get them back to what they initially represented.
Second, being the most innovative country in the world on how to kill massive numbers of people, with a single weapon, let's figure out how to stop that. Surely we can find someone that is innovative enough or even use past historical precedent to minimize the slaughter of American citizens. Start with the firearms themselves, then the people who find it necessary to own weapons by the dozens, designed to kill as many as possible, as fast as possible.
Third, vote every motherfxckxr out of office that accepts any money from the lobbying group, the NRA.
It might not be the ultimate answer, but it is a start.
I used to be a supporter of the NRA, but now, the direction is not what I originally supported. I would go back in a minute, if their entire focus was back on for hunters and outdoors enthusiasts and quit using the threat of loss of the second ammendment as a money raising scare tactic, for ultra right wing political endorsements.

frazzdaddy

YukonRon said:

First, start with the NRA and get them back to what they initially represented.
Second, being the most innovative country in the world on how to kill massive numbers of people, with a single weapon, let's figure out how to stop that. Surely we can find someone that is innovative enough or even use past historical precedent to minimize the slaughter of American citizens. Start with the firearms themselves, then the people who find it necessary to own weapons by the dozens, designed to kill as many as possible, as fast as possible.
Third, vote every motherfxckxr out of office that accepts any money from the lobbying group, the NRA.
It might not be the ultimate answer, but it is a start.
I used to be a supporter of the NRA, but now, the direction is not what I originally supported. I would go back in a minute, if their entire focus was back on for hunters and outdoors enthusiasts and quit using the threat of loss of the second ammendment as a money raising scare tactic, for ultra right wing political endorsements.

well said sir

alaskanassasin

Tax the crap out of bullets

JohnInCarolina

alaskanassasin said:

Tax the crap out of bullets

Isn’t that Chris Rock’s idea?  Like make bullets $1000 each?   I have to admit that it has some merit.

alaskanassasin

Now that you mention it... I thought about it too when there was a 22 shortage, all the sudden my Henry 22lr turned into an expensive bat.  

frazzdaddy

alaskanassasin said:

Tax the crap out of bullets

Most of the people that have stockpiled ammo handload.

alaskanassasin

frazzdaddy said:

alaskanassasin said:

Tax the crap out of bullets

Most of the people that have stockpiled ammo handload.

  I am in no position to argue that...

ColtsFan

milesvdustin said:

Nananananananana 

BATMAN!