OT - Epic Meltdown

DoubleEgger

JohnInCarolina said:

Isn't the plan that we don't tell our enemies what we're going to do ahead of time?

I think the objective here was to destroy runways and not kill Russians. Who knows... I'm not a military strategist nor did I stay in a Holiday Inn Express last night. 

Hans61

Nothing is real - everyone disagrees about everything - no common shared truth in anything. Behind the scene competing interests using every event and opportunity to twist what actually happened into somehow supporting their position.

It's Friday, I'm going to try and take the weekend off and not watch any news till Monday. 

fishlessman

thetrim said:

JohnInCarolina said:

Isn't the plan that we don't tell our enemies what we're going to do ahead of time?

Or, of course, this could be made up BS.  Fake News.  They seem to be pretty good at that these days.

yep, amazing how fast the liberal media had that story up

fishlessman

coin tossed, heads it is message sent to syria, tomahawks sent over russian heads, china had front row seats in the states, was a good day. now if we can just get the attention of iran and north korea. todays looking good too with the new judge

JohnInCarolina

Sardonicus said:

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So  . . . Our President had an emotional reaction to something he saw on television and responded in 140 missiles or less?

Lol.  Perfect take on this.

Sardonicus

Legume said:

"People that don't get it, don't get that they don't get it"

Well, it didn't take long for the proof to come along.

"Realistically you can't win no championship with three white guys because the foot speed is too slow," LaVar Ball told the Southern California News Group,

www.espn.com/mens-college-basketball/story/_/id/19097642/lavar-ball-casts-blame-ucla-bruins-white-guys

wow.  

Maybe I'm missing something, but that gentleman strikes me as a major league anal aperture - even before this.
I'm amazed he continues to get so much press.  He should be ignored - and thereby denied coverage
. . . before he embarrasses his son to death!

Legume

Sardonicus said:

Legume said:

"People that don't get it, don't get that they don't get it"

Well, it didn't take long for the proof to come along.

"Realistically you can't win no championship with three white guys because the foot speed is too slow," LaVar Ball told the Southern California News Group,

www.espn.com/mens-college-basketball/story/_/id/19097642/lavar-ball-casts-blame-ucla-bruins-white-guys

wow.  

Maybe I'm missing something, but that gentleman strikes me as a major league anal aperture - even before this.
I'm amazed he continues to get so much press.  He should be ignored - and thereby denied coverage
. . . before he embarrasses his son to death!

Not missing anything, he's a jackass and has been one for a while.  This was just stunning even coming from his mouth.  New low, finding new ways to hold the spotlight.  The question is, if you're an NBA GM, how do you evaluate all of this in total when trying to make a draft decision? You can't just assume it will be fine once the kid gets into your organization.  Tiger, Williams sisters, etc, most of these stories are around individual performer sports.  This has locker room impact.

JohnInCarolina

DoubleEgger said:

JohnInCarolina said:

Isn't the plan that we don't tell our enemies what we're going to do ahead of time?

I think the objective here was to destroy runways and not kill Russians. Who knows... I'm not a military strategist nor did I stay in a Holiday Inn Express last night. 

The objective was to stop Syria from dropping more CW on innocent civilians.  I have no idea if this action will accomplish that, but I hope that it does.  I'd like to think that is something we can all agree on.

DoubleEgger

It's amusing that the Liberal Calvary is glossing over Hillary saying she would have done the same thing.... before Trump did it. 

Legume

JohnInCarolina said:

DoubleEgger said:

JohnInCarolina said:

Isn't the plan that we don't tell our enemies what we're going to do ahead of time?

I think the objective here was to destroy runways and not kill Russians. Who knows... I'm not a military strategist nor did I stay in a Holiday Inn Express last night. 

The objective was to stop Syria from dropping more CW on innocent civilians.  I have no idea if this action will accomplish that, but I hope that it does.  I'd like to think that is something we can all agree on.

Agree.  We'll have to see what the impact is.  The action alone can be more meaningful than taking out x number of planes or whatever.  He just said to everyone, I'll shoot when I feel I need to.

PlanSB

DoubleEgger said:

It's amusing that the Liberal Calvary is glossing over Hillary saying she would have done the same thing.... before Trump did it. 

The 'liberal cavalry' doesn't always agree with every stance that HRC has, believe it or not. Just because someone voted for someone does not mean they agree with every thing they say or do.

And for christs sake, they warned the damn Russians before the attack.  So reports of Syrians moving things prior to attack are probably not so far off.

"Hey comrades, just a heads up that for appearances we will be sending a few dozen tomahawks in a few hours - make sure everything of importance is moved!"

DoubleEgger

DoubleEgger said:

It's amusing that the Liberal Calvary is glossing over Hillary saying she would have done the same thing.... before Trump did it. 

Buehler..... Buehler....

fishlessman

PlanSB said:

DoubleEgger said:

It's amusing that the Liberal Calvary is glossing over Hillary saying she would have done the same thing.... before Trump did it. 

The 'liberal cavalry' doesn't always agree with every stance that HRC has, believe it or not. Just because someone voted for someone does not mean they agree with every thing they say or do.

And for christs sake, they warned the damn Russians before the attack.  So reports of Syrians moving things prior to attack are probably not so far off.

"Hey comrades, just a heads up that for appearances we will be sending a few dozen tomahawks in a few hours - make sure everything of importance is moved!"

are you saying we should have lobbed tomahawks at or near the russians without warning them they would be lobbing things back right now

DoubleEgger

PlanSB said:

DoubleEgger said:

It's amusing that the Liberal Calvary is glossing over Hillary saying she would have done the same thing.... before Trump did it. 

The 'liberal cavalry' doesn't always agree with every stance that HRC has, believe it or not. Just because someone voted for someone does not mean they agree with every thing they say or do.

So why do the Libs think Conservatives agree with every stance Trump has? 

PlanSB

fishlessman said:

PlanSB said:

DoubleEgger said:

It's amusing that the Liberal Calvary is glossing over Hillary saying she would have done the same thing.... before Trump did it. 

The 'liberal cavalry' doesn't always agree with every stance that HRC has, believe it or not. Just because someone voted for someone does not mean they agree with every thing they say or do.

And for christs sake, they warned the damn Russians before the attack.  So reports of Syrians moving things prior to attack are probably not so far off.

"Hey comrades, just a heads up that for appearances we will be sending a few dozen tomahawks in a few hours - make sure everything of importance is moved!"

are you saying we should have lobbed tomahawks at or near the russians without warning them they would be lobbing things back right now

No, I am saying that this whole thing is a sham.  DJT et al notified the Russians, who in turn notified the Syrians, who were able to get equipment and personnel out of there in time. Thus making the whole attack a charade.

PlanSB

DoubleEgger said:

PlanSB said:

DoubleEgger said:

It's amusing that the Liberal Calvary is glossing over Hillary saying she would have done the same thing.... before Trump did it. 

The 'liberal cavalry' doesn't always agree with every stance that HRC has, believe it or not. Just because someone voted for someone does not mean they agree with every thing they say or do.

So why do the Libs think Conservatives agree with every stance Trump has? 

So you are generalizing a whole group of people you disagree with for generalizing others?  Makes sense....

nolaegghead

DoubleEgger said:

PlanSB said:

DoubleEgger said:

It's amusing that the Liberal Calvary is glossing over Hillary saying she would have done the same thing.... before Trump did it. 

The 'liberal cavalry' doesn't always agree with every stance that HRC has, believe it or not. Just because someone voted for someone does not mean they agree with every thing they say or do.

So why do the Libs think Conservatives agree with every stance Trump has? 

"The libs"?  Why are you dragging libertarians into this?

TN_Sister_State

thetrim said:

TN_Sister_State said:

Yup and another good reason why we elected a morally clean Pres not tied to the corporations based on contributions made thru the campaign. 

Wait, i read this wrong initially, i hope im reading into sarcasm here...... Anywho,
we havent had a morally clean Pres candidate in decades......

YukonRon

Nobody is bothered by the fact that the US, through Saudi Arabia, is providing ammunition and weapons to ISIS, who videoed the beheading of a 12 year old boy?
ISIS has a loose coalition with the rebels, and Al Qeda is also doing the same thing. AQ has fighters there from the same town as the Boston pressure cooker bombers.
We are in it, and it will be difficult to leave it.

Eoin

YukonRon said:

Nobody is bothered by the fact that the US, through Saudi Arabia, is providing ammunition and weapons to ISIS, who videoed the beheading of a 12 year old boy?
ISIS has a loose coalition with the rebels, and Al Qeda is also doing the same thing. AQ has fighters there from the same town as the Boston pressure cooker bombers.
We are in it, and it will be difficult to leave it.

Saudi - Iran proxy wars all over the Middle East makes them good customers for our defence industries.

fishlessman

PlanSB said:

fishlessman said:

PlanSB said:

DoubleEgger said:

It's amusing that the Liberal Calvary is glossing over Hillary saying she would have done the same thing.... before Trump did it. 

The 'liberal cavalry' doesn't always agree with every stance that HRC has, believe it or not. Just because someone voted for someone does not mean they agree with every thing they say or do.

And for christs sake, they warned the damn Russians before the attack.  So reports of Syrians moving things prior to attack are probably not so far off.

"Hey comrades, just a heads up that for appearances we will be sending a few dozen tomahawks in a few hours - make sure everything of importance is moved!"

are you saying we should have lobbed tomahawks at or near the russians without warning them they would be lobbing things back right now

No, I am saying that this whole thing is a sham.  DJT et al notified the Russians, who in turn notified the Syrians, who were able to get equipment and personnel out of there in time. Thus making the whole attack a charade.

it is more a statement than a charade in my eyes, trying to avoid an act of war.  i would suspect theres more to follow down the road like maybe syria has to stop flying their planes in certain areas, we shall see, that will be more political

thetrim

President Trump should of sent Assad a pallet of unmarked bills. 

thetrim

Or just told him to "Knock it off"

thetrim

Sorry "Cut it out"

http://www.cnn.com/videos/politics/2016/12/16/obama-putin-cut-it-out-russia-hack-sot.cnn

Tough guy alert.

JohnInCarolina

DoubleEgger said:

PlanSB said:

DoubleEgger said:

It's amusing that the Liberal Calvary is glossing over Hillary saying she would have done the same thing.... before Trump did it. 

The 'liberal cavalry' doesn't always agree with every stance that HRC has, believe it or not. Just because someone voted for someone does not mean they agree with every thing they say or do.

So why do the Libs think Conservatives agree with every stance Trump has? 

Probably has something to do with so few of them expressing public disagreement with his policies.

JohnInCarolina

I do find the "well Hillary said!" rebuttals fairly weak sauce.  Either Trump's actions are defensible on the merits, or... they're not.  

But it is fairly comical to bring up what she said at the time, because candidate Trump was advocating for something completely different.  He was basically advocating for a non-interventionist stance, and that instead of focusing on Syria, we focus solely on ISIS. 

fishlessman

hillary who

thetrim

I'm a fan of the "Bomb the $hit outta them" strategy!  Regardless of what Cankles Clinton says!

pgprescott

JohnInCarolina said:

I do find the "well Hillary said!" rebuttals fairly weak sauce.  Either Trump's actions are defensible on the merits, or... they're not.

I think the point is that everyone knows you would not be ranting about any of this if there were someone else with a D after their name sitting in the seat. Truth. 

It is not to make any argument either for or against. It is to point out blatant hypocrisy, over and over. 

There aren't any arguments of merit in either direction posted here. For some reason, certain folks feel one side always has to provide a 600 word argument with sourcing in order to comment, but it is fine to throw bombs the other direction. 

Carry on with the "strong sauce"

JohnInCarolina

fishlessman said:

hillary who

You've already forgotten about her, huh?

fishlessman said:

not as epic but theres still interesting meltdowns
Hillary tried, Obama spied...